[00:01] <daniel> hello
[00:01] <snikky> genii --> Not entirely sure, this falls into the "do an apt update and try again" category, but, at this stage i'm willing to try anything, aside form a re-install ;)
[00:02] <RamiousZoriastar> Whats up peeps.
[00:02] <RamiousZoriastar> Just got Linux Mint Running
[00:02] <snikky> hi daniel
[00:02] <RamiousZoriastar> Been a while
[00:02] <RamiousZoriastar> But I'm trying to get windows 10 installed
[00:02] <snikky> well done Ramious
[00:02] <RamiousZoriastar> As dual boot
[00:02] <RamiousZoriastar> But it's not realy taking
[00:02] <RamiousZoriastar> I am currently in the process of getting woeusb
[00:03] <snikky> seperate HD's or all on the same one Ramious?
[00:03] <genii> snikky: I'm getting odd results here currently from my own 18.04.3 with: apt policy pulseaudio   ( and also libpulse0, and pulseaudio-utils ) where it's reporting latest version available to install as 7.4 in repository bionic-updates, but then it also reports that 7.5 is already installed but  with 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status   which usually means it was manually installed from a deb or other way ( which I know it was not )
[00:04] <snikky> thats interesting genii ;)
[00:06] <snikky> genii - I suspect there may be an odd package situation, ocurring, though I'll admit I have been tinkering a bit recently, trying to resolve an audio issue, that transpired was due to an update of a 3rd party supplier, upstream that borked the audio service, I was trying to connect to
[00:06] <genii> Some things have been moving over to snap-only ( like chromium-browser )
[00:07] <snikky> oh dear, has it
[00:07] <snikky> is that like a snp-on chrome molybendium tool, or something?
[00:08] <snikky> i'm inherenently wary of new technology, like snap ons and suchlike ;)
[00:09] <genii> ..however, : sudo snap list   ...here does not show any pulseaudio things for me.
[00:10] <snikky> sudo snap list, i'm gonna try that, it sounds new, and interesting, and vaguely dangerous
[00:11] <snikky> genii --> No snaps are installed yet. Try 'snap install hello-world'.
[00:11] <genii> Yeah, so not the cause
[00:11] <snikky> genii - perfect :)
[00:11] <JackFrost> sudo: snap: command not found   :3
[00:12] <snikky> hi JackFrost
[00:13] <JackFrost> genii: As far as I can tell, pulseaudio had an update (SRU) that was withdrawn, because `apt list | grep ed,loc` listed it.
[00:14] <genii> JackFrost: That seems like the most reasonable explanatiion, since I do not have any PPA here which relate to pulseaudio in any way, although apt policy says 7.5 but shows no associated repository for it
[00:14] <snikky> Jack, I feel your pain :)
[00:15] <JackFrost> "It seems this is a side effect of a mistake made in the release and subsequent withdrawal of update 1:11.1-1ubuntu7.5"
[00:15] <snikky> I read that too Jack
[00:15] <JackFrost> snikky: It wasn't really painful, I found it odd, then downgraded pulse back to the repo version.
[00:15] <tomreyn> snikky: apt-forktracer, ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported and https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages can help you identify packages and package versions you have installed which you have no matching apt source configured for.
[00:15] <JackFrost> LP 1858164
[00:15] <genii> snikky: I would probably recommend to just specify version 7.4 then
[00:16] <JackFrost> apt-forktracer is amazing, though of course lists packages that don't come from Ubuntu.  `apt list | grep ed,loc` catches 'installed,local' which can't be downloaded from *anywhere*
[00:16] <genii> snikky: eg: sudo apt install pulseaudio=1:11.1-1ubuntu7.4
[00:16] <JackFrost> apt install package/bionic   will allow for downgrades, you just have to list all the packages.
[00:17] <snikky> OK Jack, let me try that a mo
[00:18] <tomreyn> "apt list | grep ed,loc" is handy, thanks. does it cover the "newer than version in archive" situation, though?
[00:18] <snikky> Jack --> sudo apt install package/bionic gave me "E: Unable to locate package package"
[00:19] <snikky> you may have to explain to me like I'm a retarded 5 Yr old, btw
[00:19] <RamiousZoriastar> all on the same hard drive
[00:19] <tomreyn> snikky: i think you were supposed to replace "package" by the name of a package you would like to downgrade to the current version there is in ubuntu 18.04 "bionic"
[00:19] <JackFrost> tomreyn: As noted above, yeah it's based on version numbers, not source.  That's how I noticed pulseaudio.  Note that `apt` claims not to have stable output, and those strings I'm grepping for get translated...so LANG=C might be needed. :3
[00:20] <JackFrost> tomreyn is correct, 'package' is a placeholder.
[00:20] <RamiousZoriastar> I am trying to create a dual boot Gateway ZX4800
[00:20] <RamiousZoriastar> And I'm having  hell of a time
[00:20] <tomreyn> !mint | RamiousZoriastar
[00:20] <snikky> Jack --> https://pastebin.com/LGTv9f2N
[00:20] <genii> RamiousZoriastar: Install Windows first, then install Linux
[00:21] <RamiousZoriastar> I already have linux installed though
[00:21] <genii> RamiousZoriastar: The Windows installer doesn't know about other operating systems so it has no facility to understand about GRUB  and will just want to use it's own bootloader
[00:22] <JackFrost> snikky: So, for example in your case it would be something along the lines of `sudo apt install libpulse-mainloop-glib0/bionic libpulse0/bionic libpulsedsp/bionic`
[00:22] <tomreyn> JackFrost: thanks, so, to confirm, you're saying that if you have a software installed which is a newer version than what's available from configured repositories it'd be listed by "apt list | grep ed,loc"?
[00:23] <JackFrost> tomreyn: Presuming your language is set to English, yes.  See the above paste for example.
[00:23] <snikky> I gather making sure win 10 hibernate/standby mode needs to be disabled, as I think windows marks the NTFS partition as dirty, or some such nonsense otherwise and Linux may well refuse to see it
[00:24] <snikky> Jack, I'll try that stuff, you mentioned above :)
[00:24] <tomreyn> hmm i don't see a paste, maybe it's too late, or maybe you mean the bug report
[00:25] <tomreyn> oh, got it
[00:25] <JackFrost> tomreyn: https://pastebin.com/raw/LGTv9f2N
[00:25] <JackFrost> Heh.
[00:25] <tomreyn> sorry, it IS too late ;)
[00:25] <JackFrost> (Just keep in mind the translation thing and you'll be good.)
[00:26] <snikky> Jack --> https://pastebin.com/utgVpgCC
[00:27] <JackFrost> snikky: Alrighty, they've been downgraded back to versions available from the archive!
[00:28] <snikky> thought so Jack
[00:28] <snikky> Jack --> https://pastebin.com/C67az5BG
[00:29] <JackFrost> I apologize, but I only caught the tail end of the question, though I found it odd 'pulseaudio' wasn't installed, I presume your goal was to install pulseaudio then?
[00:30] <snikky> well I've had a niggling issue with discord not detecting  audio
[00:31] <snikky> No apology necessary Jack
[00:33] <snikky> For some obscure reason, my audio input seems to have been ignored by discord, where it was working perfectly fine yesterday
[00:34] <snikky> and I'm using old fashioned RCA jack plug headphones/mic
[00:34] <snikky> not the new fangled USB thingies :)
[00:35] <JackFrost> OK, I presume that's installed via snap/flatpak or something, I haven't ever used those so can't help.
[00:35] <snikky> I've not got snap installed, and to be frank, I'm not sure why I should
[00:36] <snikky> I'm slightly suspicios of "new things"
[00:37] <snikky> hell its taken me 6 month to get my head around ansible :)
[00:38] <snikky> Thanks for your help Jack and genii both, I'll continue to fiddle around with stuff, untill I either fix it or break it entirely....
[00:39] <snikky> ....however, that said, I'm appreciative of your help
[00:40] <JackFrost> \o/
[00:58] <ranx_> ciao ragazzi
[00:58] <ranx__> ciao traghi
[00:59] <ranx__> ragazzi sapete per caso come posso risolvere il problema dell hdmi
[00:59] <ranx__> non mi riconosce la tv come monitor
[01:08] <mparillo> Ciao
[01:08] <mparillo> !it
[02:01] <DarwinElf> i broke Discover on my family's Kubuntu 19.10 PC.  I removed snap.  Now Discover won't work.  How do I fix it but disable showing any snaps?  (as the system administrator, I can't deal with those cluttering up /home/user and cluttering up the list from 'mount'... very poor design)
[02:02] <DarwinElf> (really, it's /home/u , for user.  I recommend use a one-letter username of your name or favourite nickname/'handle')
[02:03] <DarwinElf> i know, someone suggested use Muon package manager instead of the Discover one.  Sure, I'm using that more myself now... however the average users will use Discover and still have questions
[02:06] <DarwinElf> someone on a Unix channel said I can just save their data and 'rm -rf /' on any Ubuntu any time I ever install it
[02:26] <mparillo> Good thing that clown didn't add the sudo
[02:54] <DarwinElf> no, it was obvious I'd already be logged in as root
[02:57] <OerHeks> maybe you need to remove more, plasma-discover-flatpak-backend ?
[03:02] <DarwinElf> i don't think I installed that in the first place...
[03:03] <DarwinElf> i did reinstall the snap one (the regular package one seemed no longer available for 19.10) but Discover did not update to say it was installed, after restart
[03:09] <DarwinElf> guess I'll just download 19.10 and reinstall.  The upgrade from 19.04 didn't seem to work right anyway
[04:47] <DarwinElf> i want to erase/replace systemd.  Is there any way (howtos/articles?) to do it and keep getting updates or would I just have to convert to Devuan?
[04:49] <OerHeks> no guide for that, AFAIK
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:20] <DarwinElf> recently I had to boot to recovery, and it didn't have networking!  How do I (re)install the service that would show up as /etc/init.d/networking ?
[09:56] <m_tadeu> hi...I added an .ics calendar in kontact but the events are not displayed. the akonadi console says the events are in that  resource. any ideas?
[11:31] <tomreyn> DarwinElf: which kubuntu are you running there?
[11:34] <tomreyn> nowadays you'd use     sudo systemctl restart networking    on a fully booted system. on recovery, i guess i'd enable networking on the menu or if this fails (will only work for wired networks with dhcp, i think) you'd need to configure it manually.
[11:37] <tomreyn> actually "sudo systemctl restart networking" is wrong. but you'd use systemctl to control the network framework (network-manager on a desktop, systemd-networkd on a server, by default, possibly managed through netplan)
[11:37] <tomreyn> Guest86423: this "j" nickname was already taken.
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 Where is the interfaces configuration file
[13:10] <BluesKaj> which interfaces?
[13:32] <lordievader> Guess Zen40 is talking about /etc/network/interfaces (which is no longer used by recent Ubuntus, IIRC)
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 Is Kubuntu lts updated when a security patch is released for Ubuntu lts
 ?
 Yes
 @ericadams, Thx
 Certainly!
 @ericadams, Waiting for 20.04
 It'd be much lighter with the qt, and may finally match Ubuntu lts in terms of popularity
 @Rutvikm, Especially in institutes and colleges
 I suspect 20.04 is going to be amazing. I've been looking at Plasma 5.18 and it's very nice.
 @ericadams, It is
 5.18 beta is n 2 days! :)
 @RikMills, Nice to see you online
 @RikMills, Yay! I've been running Neon unstable to see the changes and this last update is looking great.
 Unlike the fake KDE Neon group with trillion members, million admins and 0 posts 😶
 @Rutvikm, Unlike the fake KDE Neon group with trillion members, million admins and 0 posts 😶
 @ericadams, I will be putting the beta into 20.04, and making a build for 19.10 available in the 'beta' ppa
 The more early testing the better......
 @RikMills, Excellent. Will you announce when 5.18 is in the 20.04 daily? I'd like to test.
 @ericadams, Yes, I will do a kubuntu.org blog post, and on twitter etc
 Right
 @RikMills, Should 20.04 Kubuntu be easier than Gnome and faster for programming than 20.04 Ubuntu? Now that KDE is more refined and lighter than 18.04? Or should Gnome be more stable
 Ignore question marks
 I enjoy GNOME and Plasma but the stability crown goes to Plasma in my opinion. GNOME can crash and take everything out with it where, in the unlikely event Plasma crashes, it will recover.
 But that's just one man's experience
 I have not used gnome outside a VM for many many years.....
 I really didn't like it for a very long time but something about Ubuntu 19.10 grabbed me and hasn't let go.
 Likely because they fix all the shortcomings
 Meaning adding a dock and tray icons lol
 @ericadams, I expect 20.04 will delight you then. I seems Wimpress et al. are working hard :)
 It sure does! It's going to be a good year.
 @ericadams, I've found Gnome default apps to have more common, and slightly lesser dependancies, while the plasma counterparts to be heavier to an extent of slowing the system in some cases, but inspite of that plasma completes/debugs same tasks/programs faster
 Ironically the minimalistic DE was slower, in my singular machine case atleast, than something more accommodative in terms of features
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