[04:30] <jibel> Morning all
[04:34] <duflu> Morning jibel
[04:35] <duflu> jibel, if you're starting work at 5:30am then I hope you're finishing early
[04:53] <jibel> Hi duflu, not even, I usually end around 5:30PM
[04:53] <jibel> but do breaks during the day
[06:10] <pieq> salut jibel !
[06:10] <pieq> t'es tombé du lit ?
[06:15] <jibel> Salut pieq
[06:15] <jibel> non, je me lève en général vers 5h
[06:16] <jibel> mes nuits sont plutôt courtes :)
[06:17] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:20] <pieq> jibel, I woke up at 5AM too, but it's because of jetlag :D Usually it's more 6AM.
[06:28] <oSoMoN> bonjour pieq, jibel
[06:28] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[07:01] <didrocks> good morning
[07:06] <jibel> bonjour didrocks
[07:08] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:22] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, didrocks
[07:22] <duflu> Afternoon pieq
[07:26] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:27] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:27] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:31] <pieq> hey oSoMoN and duflu !
[07:32] <pieq> On one of my laptops at home, I'm on 19.10 with -proposed activated. If I'd like to switch to 20.04 dev (without -proposed), what commands do I need to run?
[07:34] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN et pieq :)
[07:58] <duflu> Hi seb128
[07:58] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[07:58] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers :)
[07:58] <duflu> seb128, going well. You?
[07:59] <seb128> I'm good, I had a better night than the previous one, I feel somewhat recharged this morning :)
[08:02] <seb128> duflu, the downstream patch is for onboard not xserver though right?
[08:02] <seb128> (just saw your comment on https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/issues/679)
[08:02]  * duflu looks
[08:03] <duflu> seb128, yes you are right. I remember now thinking it's not an ideal patch if a broken app can still crash Xorg
[08:03] <seb128> right, same here
[08:03] <duflu> But that was a few months ago
[08:03] <seb128> it's good to fix the app if it's code is incorrect, still xserver should be robust to incomplete calls
[08:06] <duflu> seb128, yes I wrote that in comment 12 in October. Just forgot
[08:07] <seb128> duflu, :)
[08:07] <duflu> Which is why comments are useful
[08:49] <jibel> pieq, first disable proposed then run update-manager -d . It's possible the the packages installed from proposed will block the upgrade
[08:49] <jibel> pieq, or from the CLI: do-release-upgrade -d
[08:51] <pieq> jibel, merci ! I'll try that tonight
[08:53] <jibel> pieq, if anything goes wrong, the logs are in /var/log/dist-upgrade. You should be able to figure out what broke. Dependency issues can be tricky to troubleshoot, but then start by reverting the packages from proposed to the version in -updates or release
[08:54] <pieq> jibel, how can I revert packages? I thought apt would always take the latest version of a package...
[08:56] <duflu> pieq: sudo apt install --reinstall packagename/eoan
[08:56] <duflu> or eoan-updates
[09:00] <jibel> pieq, or you can specify the version with apt install package=version
[09:02] <oSoMoN> jibel, doesn't update-manager disable -proposed entries automatically, like it does for PPAs ?
[09:02] <Laney> hiya
[09:03] <pieq> duflu, jibel thanks!
[09:04] <jibel> oSoMoN, yeah, I think you're right. there is a flag to enable proposed on upgrade IIRC
[09:04] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:05] <Laney> what up oSoMoN
[09:05] <jibel> anyway running proposed permanently without pinning seems dangerous to me
[09:06] <seb128> hey Laney, oSoMoN, how are you today?
[09:06] <oSoMoN> yeah, I wouldn't recommend that on a machine that's not used exclusively for testing
[09:07] <oSoMoN> I'm good, I slept well and am ready for a productive day
[09:08] <seb128> \o/ :)
[09:10] <marcustomlinson> good morning jibel oSoMoN pieq didrocks duflu seb128 and Laney :)
[09:11] <pieq> hery marcustomlinson :)
[09:11] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson
[09:14] <jibel> bonjour marcustomlinson
[09:14] <Laney> hey seb128, doing alright: won the pub quiz last night 💃💃💃
[09:14] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson
[09:15] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson :)
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, wooot, well done!
[09:17] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson
[09:18] <seb128> hum
[09:18] <seb128> I don't understand, I created an arm64 bos instance yesterday, ssh to it stopped working in the evening
[09:19] <seb128> I destroyed it and created a new one this morning, same problem :/
[09:19] <seb128> I can ssh fine to ones on other archs though
[09:27] <oSoMoN> seb128, there was a brief moment yesterday in the evening when my canonistack instances became unreachable (and even the web UI was down), but it didn't last long, and it's now working well for me
[09:27] <seb128> oSoMoN, do you have any arm64 one?
[09:27] <seb128> my s390x and amd64 ones are fine
[09:27] <oSoMoN> let me check
[09:28] <oSoMoN> yes, I have a bionic arm64 instance, and I can ssh into it
[09:30] <Wimpress> Morning desktoppers o/
[09:30] <seb128> oSoMoN, ok, thx for checking! I wonder what's going on here then :-/
[09:30] <seb128> hey Wimpress, how are you?
[09:30] <Wimpress> Tip top :-D
[09:30] <Wimpress> You?
[09:31] <oSoMoN> hey Wimpress
[09:32] <seb128> I'm good!
[09:33] <duflu> Morning Laney and Wimpress
[09:35] <marcustomlinson> morning Wimpress
[09:35] <Wimpress> Hi duflu. How are you?
[09:36] <duflu> Wimpress, one year older but OK. You?
[09:36] <Wimpress> All good here. Just topping up the coffee levels
[09:37] <marcustomlinson> duflu: happy belated birthday!
[09:37] <duflu> I was pleased to get this written and done on Monday night, which is satisfying; https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/1003
[09:37] <duflu> Thanks marcustomlinson
[09:39] <seb128> oh, happy birthday duflu!
[09:39] <duflu> Thanks, but it's done and gone
[09:39] <duflu> It was a nice day though
[09:41] <Laney> hey duflu
[09:46] <seb128> shrug, same on a bionic/arm64 instance, so not the focal issue creating problem :/
[09:47] <seb128> I get a ' No route to host'
[09:47] <seb128> weird
[09:47] <Laney> tried reconnecting the vpn / the other endpoint?
[09:47] <seb128> I turned the computer off during the night so it's a fresh boot/session and that didn't fix it, but trying again just in case
[09:48] <seb128> also ssh to other instances (!arm64) works
[09:48] <Laney> Sure, but it's plausible they take different routes
[09:48] <seb128> nop, no difference
[09:48] <seb128> (reconnecting the vpn)
[09:49] <Laney> instance booted OK? (openstack console log show ID)
[09:50] <seb128> looks like it
[09:50] <seb128> but
[09:50] <seb128> ci-info: no authorized ssh keys fingerprints found for user ubuntu.
[09:51] <seb128> in the log
[09:51] <seb128> but that probably doesn't explain the routing issue
[09:57] <Laney> I got that keypair thing too, and indeed I can't SSH into a new instance but I get a proper refusal
[09:57] <Laney> [   32.650884] cloud-init[572]: 2020-01-15 09:54:38,481 - util.py[WARNING]: No active metadata service found
[09:57] <Laney> that is suspicious
[09:57] <Laney> probably issues to take up with IS I'd say if you have the energy
[10:07] <seb128> k, will do
[10:10] <duflu> seb128, are we aiming for Xorg 1.21 in focal?
[10:11] <didrocks> Trevinho: do you know if there is a ppa for recent GNOME Shell version for the Yaru team to try?
[10:11] <seb128> duflu, ask tjaalton
[10:11] <seb128> hey didrocks, how are you?
[10:11] <didrocks> good. thanks seb128 and you?
[10:11] <seb128> I'm good!
[10:12] <tjaalton> duflu: it's called 20.something at this point, but there's no idea when a release is going to happen, so probably not
[10:12] <duflu> Hmm, I was keen on just one fix. Not sure how patchable it is
[10:12] <duflu> I shall look
[10:13] <seb128> tjaalton, I fixed the webkit build with an upstream patch btw, looks like those includes changed somehow, I didn't want to spent too much time to ge to the bottom of it though
[10:14] <tjaalton> seb128: ok, dunno.. the header was in the same pkg as before
[10:14] <seb128> tjaalton, but webkit doesn't include that header
[10:14] <seb128> tjaalton, it does #include <EGL/eglext.h>
[10:14] <seb128> so I wonder if that was including other things and stopped doing so or what
[10:14] <seb128> tjaalton, anyway, https://github.com/WebKit/webkit/commit/ade440b1 fixed it
[10:16] <tjaalton> eglext.h moved to libegl-dev, which libegl1-mesa-dev depends on
[10:19] <seb128> tjaalton, yeah, it's not a packaging problem, for some reason EGL_WAYLAND_BUFFER_WL isn't being defined when it was before, but at the same time webkit doesn't include the .h which defines it
[10:19] <Trevinho> didrocks: mh no... Best way is just jhbuild in general though as ppa might be quit a lot work to maintain
[10:19] <seb128> so I guess it was getting through some other .h before
[10:19] <tjaalton> right
[10:19] <seb128> tjaalton, anyway, I just wanted to say that webkit is fixed :)
[10:19] <tjaalton> cool :)
[10:20] <tjaalton> duflu: I pushed 1.20.7 yesterday
[10:20] <seb128> tjaalton, we need to sort out openscad/s390x though, are you actively looking at that one?
[10:20] <tjaalton> I don't know where to start
[10:20] <duflu> tjaalton, yeah I know thanks, but I don't think the fix is there. Just creating a launchpad bug now to reflect upstream
[10:22] <duflu> tjaalton, not a major priority but now exists for the record: bug 1859782
[10:25] <seb128> tjaalton, did you try to reproduce on a cloud instance or something? I guess that would be step 1, getting more details about the error?
[10:30] <didrocks> Trevinho: ack, thx
[10:31] <tjaalton> seb128: no
[10:34] <seb128> tjaalton, let me try here, I've an existing s390x instance
[10:36] <tjaalton> thanks
[11:04] <popey> kenvandine: tested telegram desktop snap on kde neon with breeze and breeze dark. mouse cursors are working as expected! Thanks!
[11:07] <xnox> doko:  thank you for making python3.8 tests pass; makes it easier for me to make test_ssl pass properly
[11:11] <seb128> tjaalton, so it's the libgl1-mesa-dri update from proposed that make openscad unhappy
[11:13] <tjaalton> seb128: as the test log history shows
[11:13] <seb128> well I can confirm/reproduce on a cloud instance
[11:13] <seb128> now to get some debug
[11:14] <seb128> also it's those specific binary from the update, no libglx or something else
[11:14] <tjaalton> ah -dri, so swrast_dri since it's using llvmpipe
[12:09] <tjaalton> my lock screen got stuck after entering the passwd, how to kill that?
[12:11] <seb128> tjaalton, try to lock again? otherwise kill gnome-shell from a vt I guess?
[12:14] <tjaalton> ah it's provided by the shell.. killing helped
[12:14] <tjaalton> though it also kills most apps
[12:22] <seb128> yeah, known issue :/
[12:24] <Laney> fixed issue
[12:25] <Laney> in eoan-proposed, do try it out
[12:26] <tjaalton> I'm on focal, though I hadn't dist-upgraded in a while
[12:27] <tjaalton> yep, seems to work
[12:28] <Laney> :>
[15:08]  * Laney stares at ubuntu-drivers
[15:54] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[15:54] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:57] <hellsworth> hi oSoMoN !
[16:01] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[16:02] <hellsworth> hi marcustomlinson ! how's life?
[16:03] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: pretty good thanks :) yourself?
[16:03] <hellsworth> yeah pretty good. ventured out to a coffee shop today to see people and the coffee is good :)
[16:05] <marcustomlinson> good friends and good coffee, what more do you need
[16:05] <Laney> hey hellsworth
[16:05] <Laney> it's nice working from a coffee shop but I always wonder how often I should buy something new
[16:05] <Laney> #awkwardperson
[16:06] <hellsworth> hi there Laney !
[16:06] <hellsworth> you know i have the same wonder
[16:06] <hellsworth> maybe one item every 2 hours
[16:06] <Laney> like once an hour seems good but who wants that much coffee?????
[16:06] <Laney> haha
[16:07]  * hellsworth sets an alarm to buy a new coffee in 2 hours
[16:07] <Laney> I read about a place that charges by the minute for people working
[16:07] <Laney> which would absolve me of that worry
[16:07] <hellsworth> but it would be way more expensive in the long run
[16:07] <Laney> but it was probably in stupid old London, not awesome cool Nottingham
[16:08] <hellsworth> lol
[16:08] <hellsworth> sounds like a co working space, not a coffee shop
[16:09] <Laney> kind of a mixture of both
[16:09] <Laney> think the fee was pretty cheap
[16:09] <hellsworth> i bet the coffee at a pure coffee shop would be better
[16:09] <Laney> couple of pounds an hour or so
[16:09] <hellsworth> and overall cheaper
[16:11] <hellsworth> i bet you could come up with an equation that takes into account the food/coffee quality, number of outlets, comfort of the chairs, etc. to come up with which one is better
[16:11] <hellsworth> i encourage you to do that :)
[16:11] <Laney> :D
[16:11] <Laney> maybe this is the one I read about https://ziferblat.co.uk/#/discover
[16:12] <marcustomlinson> Laney: you work at the library now and then right?
[16:12] <Laney> yep, I'm there now in fact
[16:13] <marcustomlinson> how is it? I think about doing this
[16:13] <hellsworth> oh man! for 8 hours, it's 38.4 pounds!
[16:14] <hellsworth> they must have the best coffee, the most outlets, and the comfiest of chairs in all the land!
[16:14] <hellsworth> oh the library is a great idea
[16:14] <Laney> it's great
[16:14] <Laney> but this is not a public library, oh no sir I don't want to mix with the general public
[16:14] <hellsworth> do you pack everything up and take it with you when you go to the bathroom? or do you hurry and hope nobody steals your stuff?
[16:14] <hellsworth> lol
[16:15] <Laney> nah I just leave it
[16:15] <hellsworth> wait a private library?
[16:15] <hellsworth> i don't think that's a thing here
[16:15] <Laney> https://www.bromleyhouse.org/ this place
[16:15] <hellsworth> what makes a library private? do you pay for a library card or entrance or something?
[16:15] <marcustomlinson> yeah what is that
[16:15] <Laney> subscription fee
[16:16] <Laney> big tables, wifi, coffee area, that kind of stuff
[16:16] <Laney> books too if you like that kind of thing
[16:16] <marcustomlinson> haha
[16:17] <hellsworth> lol
[16:17] <hellsworth> looks nice
[16:17] <hellsworth> i've scouted most of the coffee shops in my area and have a few i go in between when i do leave the house.
[16:18] <hellsworth> i should leave the house more often
[16:18] <hellsworth> it's just the whole two monitor thing often trumps the need to see other humans
[16:18] <hellsworth> but not all the time :)
[16:19] <Laney> looks like there's a few in the US: https://www.nysoclib.org/about/membership-libraries
[16:21] <hellsworth> none in colorado :(
[16:21] <Laney> yeah :(
[16:22] <Laney> university libraries are a good alternative if there's one of those you can use
[16:22]  * Laney sometimes goes to that one too
[16:23]  * Laney goes back to staring at ubuntu-drivers
[16:23] <hellsworth> at any university you'll need the university email/ldap pw to login to their wifi tho
[16:23]  * hellsworth refocuses too :)
[16:24] <Laney> this one has guest wifi, but also I have unlimited data so I can tether if necessary
[16:24] <Laney> YES, WORK
[16:25] <Laney> it was a good mini break, since I was being confused that a call wasn't just creating infinite recursion, turns out it's calling a fucntion with a very slightly different name
[16:25] <Laney> looking away and looking back allowed me to see that
[16:27] <hellsworth> nice!!!!
[16:28] <hellsworth> i get to add stuff to the build snap while i wait for my snapcraft extension to be re-reviewed
[16:28] <hellsworth> today will be a fun day :)
[16:39] <Laney> tseliot: hey, any opinion on moving ubuntu-drivers-common under the ubuntu organisation on github? also, 1:0.7.6-1 seems to be missing
[16:58] <tseliot> Laney, I forgot to push my changes. It should all be in the master branch now. I haven't really thought about moving the repository there, since when we started u-d-c it was probably the only package maintained on github. Is the use of the ubuntu organisation on github for packages documented somewhere?
[17:02] <Laney> tseliot: doubt it's documented in particular, but there are quite a few projects doing it already: https://github.com/ubuntu/
[17:02] <tseliot> Laney, ok, I'll have a look
[17:02] <Laney> coolies
[17:25] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: i tested your latest changes to the gsettings fix, still works great
[17:26] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: awesome thanks! yeah that's ready to merge if you'd like to do the honours
[17:29] <kenvandine> marcustomlinson: did you copy the latest changes to the snapcraft PR?
[17:29] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: I did yes
[17:29] <kenvandine> awesome
[18:15] <Laney> ok NOW I am in a coffee shop
[18:16] <marcustomlinson> seb128 will soon be in a “coffee shop” too
[18:18] <marcustomlinson> ;)