| OerHeks | sarnold, what is <keyrcbot> | 01:40 |
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| sarnold | OerHeks: I assume it's one of those annoying relaybot | 01:41 |
| sarnold | I haven't got a clue what's the other side of the relay :) | 01:41 |
| OerHeks | sort of tegramm? | 01:41 |
| OerHeks | i think it is not wanted, or maybe i am wrong | 01:41 |
| sarnold | they're moderately annoying, but so long as it appears to be used by just one person.. | 01:42 |
| sarnold | every now and then someone wants to use a bot to join together oftc and freenode and matrix and telegram and .... NOOOO | 01:42 |
| leftyfb | gotta love the ones that profess their disdain for ubuntu and troll, yes insist they're there for help | 01:53 |
| leftyfb | he's begging for it | 01:54 |
| leftyfb | just got gigabit internet with an LTE failover modem. I just tested the failover, it's almost instant. Can't get over how nice this is. | 02:33 |
| sarnold | wow | 02:34 |
| sarnold | not at all what I'd expect | 02:34 |
| leftyfb | it fails over in less than a minute. Maybe 5 or 10 seconds or so. Mind you, the failover is part of the Ubiquiti USG (router) that I have. Nothing to do with the modem. | 02:41 |
| leftyfb | they even included a pretty decent APC UPS just for the LTE modem | 02:42 |
| leftyfb | now I just gotta get them to completely disable this "Security Edge" that apparently filters my DNS regardless if I have the service disabled or not. That isn't going to fly | 02:42 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:13 |
| lotuspsychje | good afternoon | 11:08 |
| TJ- | or morning :) | 11:44 |
| lotuspsychje | hey TJ- | 11:46 |
| daftykins | \o | 12:00 |
| TJ- | My apprentice is having fun building a complex RasPi project and hitting some interesting problems. Currently the LCD orientiation at boot-time won't rotate ... so now he's trying to assemble the pan-tilt camera unit. Extremely entertaining | 12:01 |
| daftykins | :) | 12:05 |
| daftykins | and no more trouser dropping thus far? | 12:05 |
| TJ- | LoL I best clear the screen before he sees that comment | 12:06 |
| daftykins | xD oops | 12:07 |
| daftykins | how's the weather up north? i've heard talk of a storm interrupting our shipping here to the islands but no sign of anything special | 12:08 |
| pizzaiolo | morning | 12:14 |
| daftykins | heya | 12:15 |
| TJ- | Sunny here as far as I can tell :) | 12:21 |
| pizzaiolo | mist and light rain here, aka free car wash | 12:26 |
| jeremy31 | Just cold here 0F | 12:32 |
| daftykins | it's always very mild here on Guernsey, 11 deg C today | 12:33 |
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| pragmaticenigma | !19.04 | 17:15 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) is the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported until January 2020. Release Notes: http://ubottu.com/y/dingo | 17:15 |
| leftyfb | interesting how it just says "January". No actual date | 17:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | yeah.. but it's enough for me to say no go | 17:18 |
| pragmaticenigma | it's 9 months from release... so techincally 2020-01-18 ?? | 17:19 |
| leftyfb | 2 more days os support! :) | 17:19 |
| tomreyn | there was an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing lit providing the exact date | 17:19 |
| tomreyn | *liSt | 17:20 |
| pragmaticenigma | lit up! | 17:20 |
| tomreyn | leftyfb: so, about subone / unclean ntfs, you're saying disabling windows "fast startup" (Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options > System Setting > Choose what the power buttons do and uncheck the Turn on fast startup box) is no longer needed? | 17:20 |
| pragmaticenigma | oh... that's needed | 17:20 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: it'll certainly help, but it won't fix the issue. And it won't always prevent the issue. | 17:20 |
| tomreyn | ok, took me a while to re-find that so i didn't tell subone in time before they left. we should do so if / when they return | 17:21 |
| tomreyn | https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/what-is-fast-startup-windows-8-disable-it/ | 17:21 |
| tomreyn | also the RTC registry patch may be nice to have | 17:22 |
| tomreyn | s/RTC/UTC/ | 17:22 |
| tomreyn | for making windows not set loccal time on the HW clock | 17:22 |
| daftykins | i always used to go the other way and tell 'buntu to leave it alone ;) | 17:23 |
| tomreyn | you can do that, but that feels wrong to me. :) | 17:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | I know that Windows being left in it's hybrid sleep states, or hibernate has always causes Ubuntu to think the drive was "unclean" | 17:24 |
| pragmaticenigma | I thought fast boot just left a marker in the firmware to boot directly to windows at net start up... didn't know it also left the drive in any unclean state | 17:25 |
| tomreyn | HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation | 17:25 |
| tomreyn | i mean https://askubuntu.com/questions/232405/how-do-i-set-my-clock-in-windows-to-utc-localtime | 17:25 |
| pragmaticenigma | that's a handy link | 17:25 |
| leftyfb | people should never be hibernating. With any OS. It NEVER works 100% as it should. There is always something no put back right or something in a weird state. With SSD's and PC's the way they are today, you're really not saving yourself that much time anyway | 17:26 |
| tomreyn | explanation of the need for fast startup https://askubuntu.com/questions/452071/why-disable-fast-boot-on-windows-8-when-having-dual-booting | 17:28 |
| tomreyn | uh, i mean the need to disable fast startup | 17:28 |
| tomreyn | not strictly needed, but i think you want to on dual-boot with shared file systems | 17:28 |
| leftyfb | oh man, SO happy. Got my ISP to remove that "Security Edge" (DNS filtering) without affecting my bundle price ... AND it even brought my bill down a little bit | 17:34 |
| daftykins | i agree, sleep and hibernate are a waste of time | 17:35 |
| daftykins | leftyfb: how long was the call? :) was it a known evil ISP? | 17:35 |
| leftyfb | daftykins: I got a good rep. Knew exactly what I was asking for and looked up the agreement and said he didn't see anything requiring that service as part of the bundle. And yes, it's that ISP | 17:40 |
| leftyfb | unfortunately, unless I want DSL, it's my only option | 17:40 |
| daftykins | pesky 'murica, mad how things got that way | 17:40 |
| leftyfb | The call was 14 minutes but also included some banter | 17:41 |
| pragmaticenigma | leftyfb: Can you not configure your own DNS provider for your network? | 17:41 |
| leftyfb | I'm SO excited about the LTE backup modem. I've tested it twice now and it's just about instant failover | 17:41 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: I can, but Comcast routes all traffic to their filtering system regardless, then out to your configured nameserver. This is why I wanted it removed. | 17:42 |
| daftykins | interesting, i've got a Huawei 5G router trial setup up at a clients right now - i moved all their home network onto it instead of their 40/5 Mb VDSL2 | 17:42 |
| leftyfb | sorry, all DNS traffic | 17:42 |
| leftyfb | daftykins: the cable modem and LTE modem are both plugged into my Ubiquiti gateway as a failover relationship | 17:43 |
| daftykins | that the USG? | 17:43 |
| daftykins | seen those but quite happy with pfsense on amd APU boards myself :D | 17:43 |
| pragmaticenigma | leftyfb: I did not know that... though I've switched my DNS server over to a DNSCrypt provider... not sure they can touch that one | 17:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | *forwarding dns server | 17:45 |
| leftyfb | daftykins: yeah, the USG | 17:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | leftyfb: How would someone know if that is enabled on their connection or not? | 17:46 |
| daftykins | surely it's on your ISP accounts in some fashion o0 | 17:46 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: they can. It's all DNS (port 53) traffic. It all gets routed through their servers regardless of how you have it configured. Unless you're not using port 53 | 17:46 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: I THINK There might be some tracing you can do, but I found out from a tier 2 rep at Comcast. | 17:47 |
| leftyfb | "Web Filter Protection is now off.To safeguard your network, Malware, Phishing and Botnet Protection remains on." | 17:47 |
| leftyfb | that is pretty telling | 17:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | Where do you find that leftyfb ? | 17:48 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: in the SecurityEdge portal | 17:48 |
| leftyfb | https://securityedge.comcast.com/ after disabling the web filtering in the top right | 17:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | is that accessable through the main customer service/account site? | 17:48 |
| leftyfb | yeah, if you have the service | 17:48 |
| leftyfb | I'm not sure it's available to residential accounts. I have a business account | 17:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | ah, it's only for business... yeah, I'm residential | 17:49 |
| leftyfb | I do some web and email hosting. I've got 13 static ip's | 17:49 |
| leftyfb | been doing it for about 20 years now :) | 17:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | that would explain why you wouldn't want their edge router filtering enabled | 17:50 |
| leftyfb | god knows what they prevent that I have no control over | 17:50 |
| pragmaticenigma | as for my setup... I'm not sure what port dnscrypt uses... if comcast is doing any filtering, it hasn't been a problem for my purposes though | 17:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | *so far | 17:51 |
| leftyfb | looks like 443 | 17:51 |
| leftyfb | spiffy | 17:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | As far as my network is concerned, PiHole is my local forwarding DNS provider, and I have that pointed to an instance of DNSCrypt, which then uses the DNSCrypt protocol to query my DNS provider | 17:52 |
| leftyfb | yeah, I had a pihole and it did a VERY weird thing to my network so I ripped it out. I might give it another try | 17:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | So if there was any filtering going on at Comcast, for my network, my setup and settings are probably catching it way before theirs do | 17:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | leftyfb: I had a weird issue, but that was when I enabled conditional forwarding | 17:53 |
| leftyfb | for some reason (and it makes absolutely no sense), after a while, ALL outbound DNS traffic would stop. Regardless if I reconfigured a device to use an external nameserver. Only when I turned it off and rebooted my USG did I get dns traffic back. Makes no sense at all | 17:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | almost sounds like what I just descibed... Conditional Forwarding was pinging my router for the DHCP registered host names... my router was just fowarding those requests back to the PiHole... created a loop | 17:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | I'd find that I had billions of requests overnight | 17:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | and dns responses were timing out | 17:55 |
| leftyfb | maybe I'll look into that and give it another try | 17:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | I really enjoy when friends come over and hop on my guest network and then can't do half the stuff they're used to | 17:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | google searches are really fun for them | 17:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | "click on first result.. which is always a Google ad" won't let them through | 17:57 |
| leftyfb | yeah, I have the pihole setup at my fathers house. He said things were broken for this ^^^ same reason | 17:57 |
| leftyfb | I had to explain to him | 17:57 |
| leftyfb | first I showed him what it would take to allow them to work | 17:57 |
| pragmaticenigma | I got tired of getting snared by it, I switched to using DuckDuckGo for searching now | 17:58 |
| leftyfb | after whitelisting 5 forwarded clickad sites, we gave up | 17:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | The one item that's on the filtering list is geoip... which I can't figure out why... having that blocked disables so many things | 17:59 |
| pragmaticenigma | especially streaming providers | 17:59 |
| pragmaticenigma | !grub | 20:57 |
| ubot5 | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 20:57 |
| pragmaticenigma | !restore | 20:58 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: I suspect you're right, I don't see any -oem kernels on the kernel sru dashboard https://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/dashboards/web/kernel-stable-board.html | 23:31 |
| tomreyn | sarnold: oh nice, i've never seen this. | 23:31 |
| sarnold | the baffling array of kernels makes a lot more sense after seeing this :) | 23:32 |
| tomreyn | sarnold: there are linux-oem's though, if only in 18.04 | 23:32 |
| tomreyn | and focal | 23:33 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: I thought I left out part of that sentence when writing it.. sigh :) | 23:33 |
| tomreyn | so i guess that's what you mean | 23:33 |
| sarnold | yeah | 23:33 |
| sarnold | no -oems except in the LTSes | 23:33 |
| tomreyn | yes. but.. then i guess users' should be warned not to upgrade to 9m releases | 23:33 |
| tomreyn | anyways, surely someone has thought of this ;) | 23:34 |
| sarnold | fully agreed | 23:34 |
| sarnold | I'm not sure they have | 23:34 |
| TJ- | But it's Dell ! | 23:34 |
| TJ- | "only LTS" | 23:34 |
| * tomreyn notes trolling attempt | 23:35 | |
| sarnold | do-release-upgrade probably requires -d to take those steps but it's not at all clear that on those oem machines it's a BAD IDEA and elsewhere it's just "have fun upgrading every six months for two years" | 23:35 |
| tomreyn | well there's a gui where you can just switch what you'Re tracking, and there are most likely no warnings about it doing that | 23:35 |
| sarnold | I think it's even worse than that, I've heard some of those machines are basically locked to that release / ppa / and there's NO PLAN AT ALL for migrating off of it | 23:36 |
| tomreyn | software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2 | 23:36 |
| tomreyn | did i meantion i plan to migrate to debian? | 23:36 |
| TJ- | sarnold: yes, that's how I understand it ... and often its only 1 LTS (the one at release time) | 23:37 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: aw :( we'll miss you | 23:37 |
| tomreyn | but i'm really trying hard to make sure that's not the case! | 23:37 |
| sarnold | I don't think I'll ever buy any of those 'ubuntu preinstalled' systemns. those 'enabled' repos feel pretty poorly managed to me -- not all the oems want to pay for getting the enablements necessary into upstream projects or similar | 23:38 |
| tomreyn | -oem was probably another potential source of revenue that was just too attractive. but, yes, i'm not sure this pays off in the long run. | 23:39 |
| TJ- | it's another strand of the 'embedded' kernel world really | 23:40 |
| tomreyn | unbreakable linux? | 23:40 |
| TJ- | feels rather like the Android kernel/device situation | 23:40 |
| TJ- | out-of-tree/hard-to-find-source modules/tweaks | 23:41 |
| tomreyn | a recipe for a prolonged headache | 23:41 |
| tomreyn | unless you can just throw load of money on it for 3 years (then dump it) because you're google, of course. | 23:42 |
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