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OerHekssarnold, what is <keyrcbot>01:40
sarnoldOerHeks: I assume it's one of those annoying relaybot01:41
sarnoldI haven't got a clue what's the other side of the relay :)01:41
OerHekssort of tegramm?01:41
OerHeksi think it is not wanted, or maybe i am wrong01:41
sarnoldthey're moderately annoying, but so long as it appears to be used by just one person..01:42
sarnoldevery now and then someone wants to use a bot to join together oftc and freenode and matrix and telegram and .... NOOOO01:42
leftyfbgotta love the ones that profess their disdain for ubuntu and troll, yes insist they're there for help01:53
leftyfbhe's begging for it01:54
leftyfbjust got gigabit internet with an LTE failover modem. I just tested the failover, it's almost instant. Can't get over how nice this is.02:33
sarnoldwow02:34
sarnoldnot at all what I'd expect02:34
leftyfbit fails over in less than a minute. Maybe 5 or 10 seconds or so. Mind you, the failover is part of the Ubiquiti USG (router) that I have. Nothing to do with the modem.02:41
leftyfbthey even included a pretty decent APC UPS just for the LTE modem02:42
leftyfbnow I just gotta get them to completely disable this "Security Edge" that apparently filters my DNS regardless if I have the service disabled or not. That isn't going to fly02:42
lordievaderGood morning07:13
lotuspsychjegood afternoon11:08
TJ-or morning :)11:44
lotuspsychjehey TJ-11:46
daftykins\o12:00
TJ-My apprentice is having fun building a complex RasPi project and hitting some interesting problems. Currently the LCD orientiation at boot-time won't rotate ... so now he's trying to assemble the pan-tilt camera unit. Extremely entertaining12:01
daftykins:)12:05
daftykinsand no more trouser dropping thus far?12:05
TJ-LoL I best clear the screen before he sees that comment12:06
daftykinsxD oops12:07
daftykinshow's the weather up north? i've heard talk of a storm interrupting our shipping here to the islands but no sign of anything special12:08
pizzaiolomorning12:14
daftykinsheya12:15
TJ-Sunny here as far as I can tell :)12:21
pizzaiolomist and light rain here, aka free car wash12:26
jeremy31Just cold here 0F12:32
daftykinsit's always very mild here on Guernsey, 11 deg C today12:33
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pragmaticenigma!19.0417:15
ubot5Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) is the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported until January 2020.  Release Notes: http://ubottu.com/y/dingo17:15
leftyfbinteresting how it just says "January". No actual date17:18
pragmaticenigmayeah.. but it's enough for me to say no go17:18
pragmaticenigmait's 9 months from release... so techincally 2020-01-18 ??17:19
leftyfb2 more days os support! :)17:19
tomreynthere was an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing lit providing the exact date17:19
tomreyn*liSt17:20
pragmaticenigmalit up!17:20
tomreynleftyfb: so, about subone / unclean ntfs, you're saying disabling windows "fast startup" (Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options > System Setting > Choose what the power buttons do and uncheck the Turn on fast startup box) is no longer needed?17:20
pragmaticenigmaoh... that's needed17:20
leftyfbtomreyn: it'll certainly help, but it won't fix the issue. And it won't always prevent the issue.17:20
tomreynok, took me a while to re-find that so i didn't tell subone in time before they left. we should do so if / when they return17:21
tomreynhttps://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/what-is-fast-startup-windows-8-disable-it/17:21
tomreynalso the RTC registry patch may be nice to have17:22
tomreyns/RTC/UTC/17:22
tomreynfor making windows not set loccal time on the HW clock17:22
daftykinsi always used to go the other way and tell 'buntu to leave it alone ;)17:23
tomreynyou can do that, but that feels wrong to me. :)17:24
pragmaticenigmaI know that Windows being left in it's hybrid sleep states, or hibernate has always causes Ubuntu to think the drive was "unclean"17:24
pragmaticenigmaI thought fast boot just left a marker in the firmware to boot directly to windows at net start up... didn't know it also left the drive in any unclean state17:25
tomreynHKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation17:25
tomreyni mean https://askubuntu.com/questions/232405/how-do-i-set-my-clock-in-windows-to-utc-localtime17:25
pragmaticenigmathat's a handy link17:25
leftyfbpeople should never be hibernating. With any OS. It NEVER works 100% as it should. There is always something no put back right or something in a weird state. With SSD's and PC's the way they are today, you're really not saving yourself that much time anyway17:26
tomreynexplanation of the need for fast startup https://askubuntu.com/questions/452071/why-disable-fast-boot-on-windows-8-when-having-dual-booting17:28
tomreynuh, i mean the need to disable fast startup17:28
tomreynnot strictly needed, but i think you want to on dual-boot with shared file systems17:28
leftyfboh man, SO happy. Got my ISP to remove that "Security Edge" (DNS filtering) without affecting my bundle price ... AND it even brought my bill down a little bit17:34
daftykinsi agree, sleep and hibernate are a waste of time17:35
daftykinsleftyfb: how long was the call? :) was it a known evil ISP?17:35
leftyfbdaftykins: I got a good rep. Knew exactly what I was asking for and looked up the agreement and said he didn't see anything requiring that service as part of the bundle. And yes, it's that ISP17:40
leftyfbunfortunately, unless I want DSL, it's my only option17:40
daftykinspesky 'murica, mad how things got that way17:40
leftyfbThe call was 14 minutes but also included some banter17:41
pragmaticenigmaleftyfb: Can you not configure your own DNS provider for your network?17:41
leftyfbI'm SO excited about the LTE backup modem. I've tested it twice now and it's just about instant failover17:41
leftyfbpragmaticenigma: I can, but Comcast routes all traffic to their filtering system regardless, then out to your configured nameserver. This is why I wanted it removed.17:42
daftykinsinteresting, i've got a Huawei 5G router trial setup up at a clients right now - i moved all their home network onto it instead of their 40/5 Mb VDSL217:42
leftyfbsorry, all DNS traffic17:42
leftyfbdaftykins: the cable modem and LTE modem are both plugged into my Ubiquiti gateway as a failover relationship17:43
daftykinsthat the USG?17:43
daftykinsseen those but quite happy with pfsense on amd APU boards myself :D17:43
pragmaticenigmaleftyfb: I did not know that... though I've switched my DNS server over to a DNSCrypt provider... not sure they can touch that one17:45
pragmaticenigma*forwarding dns server17:45
leftyfbdaftykins: yeah, the USG17:46
pragmaticenigmaleftyfb: How would someone know if that is enabled on their connection or not?17:46
daftykinssurely it's on your ISP accounts in some fashion o017:46
leftyfbpragmaticenigma: they can. It's all DNS (port 53) traffic. It all gets routed through their servers regardless of how you have it configured. Unless you're not using port 5317:46
leftyfbpragmaticenigma: I THINK There might be some tracing you can do, but I found out from a tier 2 rep at Comcast.17:47
leftyfb"Web Filter Protection is now off.To safeguard your network, Malware, Phishing and Botnet Protection remains on."17:47
leftyfbthat is pretty telling17:47
pragmaticenigmaWhere do you find that leftyfb ?17:48
leftyfbpragmaticenigma: in the SecurityEdge portal17:48
leftyfbhttps://securityedge.comcast.com/ after disabling the web filtering in the top right17:48
pragmaticenigmais that accessable through the main customer service/account site?17:48
leftyfbyeah, if you have the service17:48
leftyfbI'm not sure it's available to residential accounts. I have a business account17:49
pragmaticenigmaah, it's only for business... yeah, I'm residential17:49
leftyfbI do some web and email hosting. I've got 13 static ip's17:49
leftyfbbeen doing it for about 20 years now :)17:50
pragmaticenigmathat would explain why you wouldn't want their edge router filtering enabled17:50
leftyfbgod knows what they prevent that I have no control over17:50
pragmaticenigmaas for my setup... I'm not sure what port dnscrypt uses... if comcast is doing any filtering, it hasn't been a problem for my purposes though17:51
pragmaticenigma*so far17:51
leftyfblooks like 44317:51
leftyfbspiffy17:51
pragmaticenigmaAs far as my network is concerned, PiHole is my local forwarding DNS provider, and I have that pointed to an instance of DNSCrypt, which then uses the DNSCrypt protocol to query my DNS provider17:52
leftyfbyeah, I had a pihole and it did a VERY weird thing to my network so I ripped it out. I might give it another try17:53
pragmaticenigmaSo if there was any filtering going on at Comcast, for my network, my setup and settings are probably catching it way before theirs do17:53
pragmaticenigmaleftyfb: I had a weird issue, but that was when I enabled conditional forwarding17:53
leftyfbfor some reason (and it makes absolutely no sense), after a while, ALL outbound DNS traffic would stop. Regardless if I reconfigured a device to use an external nameserver. Only when I turned it off and rebooted my USG did I get dns traffic back. Makes no sense at all17:54
pragmaticenigmaalmost sounds like what I just descibed... Conditional Forwarding was pinging my router for the DHCP registered host names... my router was just fowarding those requests back to the PiHole... created a loop17:55
pragmaticenigmaI'd find that I had billions of requests overnight17:55
pragmaticenigmaand dns responses were timing out17:55
leftyfbmaybe I'll look into that and give it another try17:55
pragmaticenigmaI really enjoy when friends come over and hop on my guest network and then can't do half the stuff they're used to17:56
pragmaticenigmagoogle searches are really fun for them17:56
pragmaticenigma"click on first result.. which is always a Google ad" won't let them through17:57
leftyfbyeah, I have the pihole setup at my fathers house. He said things were broken for this ^^^ same reason17:57
leftyfbI had to explain to him17:57
leftyfbfirst I showed him what it would take to allow them to work17:57
pragmaticenigmaI got tired of getting snared by it, I switched to using DuckDuckGo for searching now17:58
leftyfbafter whitelisting 5 forwarded clickad sites, we gave up17:58
pragmaticenigmaThe one item that's on the filtering list is geoip... which I can't figure out why... having that blocked disables so many things17:59
pragmaticenigmaespecially streaming providers17:59
pragmaticenigma!grub20:57
ubot5GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub220:57
pragmaticenigma!restore20:58
sarnoldtomreyn: I suspect you're right, I don't see any -oem kernels on the kernel sru dashboard https://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/dashboards/web/kernel-stable-board.html23:31
tomreynsarnold: oh nice, i've never seen this.23:31
sarnoldthe baffling array of kernels makes a lot more sense after seeing this :)23:32
tomreynsarnold: there are linux-oem's though, if only in 18.0423:32
tomreynand focal23:33
sarnoldtomreyn: I thought I left out part of that sentence when writing it.. sigh :)23:33
tomreynso i guess that's what you mean23:33
sarnoldyeah23:33
sarnoldno -oems except in the LTSes23:33
tomreynyes. but.. then i guess users' should be warned not to upgrade to 9m releases23:33
tomreynanyways, surely someone has thought of this ;)23:34
sarnoldfully agreed23:34
sarnoldI'm not sure they have23:34
TJ-But it's Dell !23:34
TJ-"only LTS"23:34
* tomreyn notes trolling attempt23:35
sarnolddo-release-upgrade probably requires -d to take those steps but it's not at all clear that on those oem machines it's a BAD IDEA and elsewhere it's just "have fun upgrading every six months for two years"23:35
tomreynwell there's a gui where you can just switch what you'Re tracking, and there are most likely no warnings about it doing that23:35
sarnoldI think it's even worse than that, I've heard some of those machines are basically locked to that release / ppa / and there's NO PLAN AT ALL for migrating off of it23:36
tomreynsoftware-properties-gtk --open-tab=223:36
tomreyndid i meantion i plan to migrate to debian?23:36
TJ-sarnold: yes, that's how I understand it ... and often its only 1 LTS (the one at release time)23:37
sarnoldtomreyn: aw :( we'll miss you23:37
tomreynbut i'm really trying hard to make sure that's not the case!23:37
sarnoldI don't think I'll ever buy any of those 'ubuntu preinstalled' systemns. those 'enabled' repos feel pretty poorly managed to me -- not all the oems want to pay for getting the enablements necessary into upstream projects or similar23:38
tomreyn-oem was probably another potential source of revenue that was just too attractive. but, yes, i'm not sure this pays off in the long run.23:39
TJ-it's another strand of the 'embedded' kernel world really23:40
tomreynunbreakable linux?23:40
TJ-feels rather like the Android kernel/device situation23:40
TJ-out-of-tree/hard-to-find-source modules/tweaks23:41
tomreyna recipe for a prolonged headache23:41
tomreynunless you can just throw load of money on it for 3 years (then dump it) because you're google, of course.23:42

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