[01:40] sarnold, what is [01:41] OerHeks: I assume it's one of those annoying relaybot [01:41] I haven't got a clue what's the other side of the relay :) [01:41] sort of tegramm? [01:41] i think it is not wanted, or maybe i am wrong [01:42] they're moderately annoying, but so long as it appears to be used by just one person.. [01:42] every now and then someone wants to use a bot to join together oftc and freenode and matrix and telegram and .... NOOOO [01:53] gotta love the ones that profess their disdain for ubuntu and troll, yes insist they're there for help [01:54] he's begging for it [02:33] just got gigabit internet with an LTE failover modem. I just tested the failover, it's almost instant. Can't get over how nice this is. [02:34] wow [02:34] not at all what I'd expect [02:41] it fails over in less than a minute. Maybe 5 or 10 seconds or so. Mind you, the failover is part of the Ubiquiti USG (router) that I have. Nothing to do with the modem. [02:42] they even included a pretty decent APC UPS just for the LTE modem [02:42] now I just gotta get them to completely disable this "Security Edge" that apparently filters my DNS regardless if I have the service disabled or not. That isn't going to fly [07:13] Good morning [11:08] good afternoon [11:44] or morning :) [11:46] hey TJ- [12:00] \o [12:01] My apprentice is having fun building a complex RasPi project and hitting some interesting problems. Currently the LCD orientiation at boot-time won't rotate ... so now he's trying to assemble the pan-tilt camera unit. Extremely entertaining [12:05] :) [12:05] and no more trouser dropping thus far? [12:06] LoL I best clear the screen before he sees that comment [12:07] xD oops [12:08] how's the weather up north? i've heard talk of a storm interrupting our shipping here to the islands but no sign of anything special [12:14] morning [12:15] heya [12:21] Sunny here as far as I can tell :) [12:26] mist and light rain here, aka free car wash [12:32] Just cold here 0F [12:33] it's always very mild here on Guernsey, 11 deg C today === xamithanx is now known as xamithan [17:15] !19.04 [17:15] Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) is the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported until January 2020. Release Notes: http://ubottu.com/y/dingo [17:18] interesting how it just says "January". No actual date [17:18] yeah.. but it's enough for me to say no go [17:19] it's 9 months from release... so techincally 2020-01-18 ?? [17:19] 2 more days os support! :) [17:19] there was an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing lit providing the exact date [17:20] *liSt [17:20] lit up! [17:20] leftyfb: so, about subone / unclean ntfs, you're saying disabling windows "fast startup" (Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options > System Setting > Choose what the power buttons do and uncheck the Turn on fast startup box) is no longer needed? [17:20] oh... that's needed [17:20] tomreyn: it'll certainly help, but it won't fix the issue. And it won't always prevent the issue. [17:21] ok, took me a while to re-find that so i didn't tell subone in time before they left. we should do so if / when they return [17:21] https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/what-is-fast-startup-windows-8-disable-it/ [17:22] also the RTC registry patch may be nice to have [17:22] s/RTC/UTC/ [17:22] for making windows not set loccal time on the HW clock [17:23] i always used to go the other way and tell 'buntu to leave it alone ;) [17:24] you can do that, but that feels wrong to me. :) [17:24] I know that Windows being left in it's hybrid sleep states, or hibernate has always causes Ubuntu to think the drive was "unclean" [17:25] I thought fast boot just left a marker in the firmware to boot directly to windows at net start up... didn't know it also left the drive in any unclean state [17:25] HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation [17:25] i mean https://askubuntu.com/questions/232405/how-do-i-set-my-clock-in-windows-to-utc-localtime [17:25] that's a handy link [17:26] people should never be hibernating. With any OS. It NEVER works 100% as it should. There is always something no put back right or something in a weird state. With SSD's and PC's the way they are today, you're really not saving yourself that much time anyway [17:28] explanation of the need for fast startup https://askubuntu.com/questions/452071/why-disable-fast-boot-on-windows-8-when-having-dual-booting [17:28] uh, i mean the need to disable fast startup [17:28] not strictly needed, but i think you want to on dual-boot with shared file systems [17:34] oh man, SO happy. Got my ISP to remove that "Security Edge" (DNS filtering) without affecting my bundle price ... AND it even brought my bill down a little bit [17:35] i agree, sleep and hibernate are a waste of time [17:35] leftyfb: how long was the call? :) was it a known evil ISP? [17:40] daftykins: I got a good rep. Knew exactly what I was asking for and looked up the agreement and said he didn't see anything requiring that service as part of the bundle. And yes, it's that ISP [17:40] unfortunately, unless I want DSL, it's my only option [17:40] pesky 'murica, mad how things got that way [17:41] The call was 14 minutes but also included some banter [17:41] leftyfb: Can you not configure your own DNS provider for your network? [17:41] I'm SO excited about the LTE backup modem. I've tested it twice now and it's just about instant failover [17:42] pragmaticenigma: I can, but Comcast routes all traffic to their filtering system regardless, then out to your configured nameserver. This is why I wanted it removed. [17:42] interesting, i've got a Huawei 5G router trial setup up at a clients right now - i moved all their home network onto it instead of their 40/5 Mb VDSL2 [17:42] sorry, all DNS traffic [17:43] daftykins: the cable modem and LTE modem are both plugged into my Ubiquiti gateway as a failover relationship [17:43] that the USG? [17:43] seen those but quite happy with pfsense on amd APU boards myself :D [17:45] leftyfb: I did not know that... though I've switched my DNS server over to a DNSCrypt provider... not sure they can touch that one [17:45] *forwarding dns server [17:46] daftykins: yeah, the USG [17:46] leftyfb: How would someone know if that is enabled on their connection or not? [17:46] surely it's on your ISP accounts in some fashion o0 [17:46] pragmaticenigma: they can. It's all DNS (port 53) traffic. It all gets routed through their servers regardless of how you have it configured. Unless you're not using port 53 [17:47] pragmaticenigma: I THINK There might be some tracing you can do, but I found out from a tier 2 rep at Comcast. [17:47] "Web Filter Protection is now off.To safeguard your network, Malware, Phishing and Botnet Protection remains on." [17:47] that is pretty telling [17:48] Where do you find that leftyfb ? [17:48] pragmaticenigma: in the SecurityEdge portal [17:48] https://securityedge.comcast.com/ after disabling the web filtering in the top right [17:48] is that accessable through the main customer service/account site? [17:48] yeah, if you have the service [17:49] I'm not sure it's available to residential accounts. I have a business account [17:49] ah, it's only for business... yeah, I'm residential [17:49] I do some web and email hosting. I've got 13 static ip's [17:50] been doing it for about 20 years now :) [17:50] that would explain why you wouldn't want their edge router filtering enabled [17:50] god knows what they prevent that I have no control over [17:51] as for my setup... I'm not sure what port dnscrypt uses... if comcast is doing any filtering, it hasn't been a problem for my purposes though [17:51] *so far [17:51] looks like 443 [17:51] spiffy [17:52] As far as my network is concerned, PiHole is my local forwarding DNS provider, and I have that pointed to an instance of DNSCrypt, which then uses the DNSCrypt protocol to query my DNS provider [17:53] yeah, I had a pihole and it did a VERY weird thing to my network so I ripped it out. I might give it another try [17:53] So if there was any filtering going on at Comcast, for my network, my setup and settings are probably catching it way before theirs do [17:53] leftyfb: I had a weird issue, but that was when I enabled conditional forwarding [17:54] for some reason (and it makes absolutely no sense), after a while, ALL outbound DNS traffic would stop. Regardless if I reconfigured a device to use an external nameserver. Only when I turned it off and rebooted my USG did I get dns traffic back. Makes no sense at all [17:55] almost sounds like what I just descibed... Conditional Forwarding was pinging my router for the DHCP registered host names... my router was just fowarding those requests back to the PiHole... created a loop [17:55] I'd find that I had billions of requests overnight [17:55] and dns responses were timing out [17:55] maybe I'll look into that and give it another try [17:56] I really enjoy when friends come over and hop on my guest network and then can't do half the stuff they're used to [17:56] google searches are really fun for them [17:57] "click on first result.. which is always a Google ad" won't let them through [17:57] yeah, I have the pihole setup at my fathers house. He said things were broken for this ^^^ same reason [17:57] I had to explain to him [17:57] first I showed him what it would take to allow them to work [17:58] I got tired of getting snared by it, I switched to using DuckDuckGo for searching now [17:58] after whitelisting 5 forwarded clickad sites, we gave up [17:59] The one item that's on the filtering list is geoip... which I can't figure out why... having that blocked disables so many things [17:59] especially streaming providers [20:57] !grub [20:57] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [20:58] !restore [23:31] tomreyn: I suspect you're right, I don't see any -oem kernels on the kernel sru dashboard https://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/dashboards/web/kernel-stable-board.html [23:31] sarnold: oh nice, i've never seen this. [23:32] the baffling array of kernels makes a lot more sense after seeing this :) [23:32] sarnold: there are linux-oem's though, if only in 18.04 [23:33] and focal [23:33] tomreyn: I thought I left out part of that sentence when writing it.. sigh :) [23:33] so i guess that's what you mean [23:33] yeah [23:33] no -oems except in the LTSes [23:33] yes. but.. then i guess users' should be warned not to upgrade to 9m releases [23:34] anyways, surely someone has thought of this ;) [23:34] fully agreed [23:34] I'm not sure they have [23:34] But it's Dell ! [23:34] "only LTS" [23:35] * tomreyn notes trolling attempt [23:35] do-release-upgrade probably requires -d to take those steps but it's not at all clear that on those oem machines it's a BAD IDEA and elsewhere it's just "have fun upgrading every six months for two years" [23:35] well there's a gui where you can just switch what you'Re tracking, and there are most likely no warnings about it doing that [23:36] I think it's even worse than that, I've heard some of those machines are basically locked to that release / ppa / and there's NO PLAN AT ALL for migrating off of it [23:36] software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2 [23:36] did i meantion i plan to migrate to debian? [23:37] sarnold: yes, that's how I understand it ... and often its only 1 LTS (the one at release time) [23:37] tomreyn: aw :( we'll miss you [23:37] but i'm really trying hard to make sure that's not the case! [23:38] I don't think I'll ever buy any of those 'ubuntu preinstalled' systemns. those 'enabled' repos feel pretty poorly managed to me -- not all the oems want to pay for getting the enablements necessary into upstream projects or similar [23:39] -oem was probably another potential source of revenue that was just too attractive. but, yes, i'm not sure this pays off in the long run. [23:40] it's another strand of the 'embedded' kernel world really [23:40] unbreakable linux? [23:40] feels rather like the Android kernel/device situation [23:41] out-of-tree/hard-to-find-source modules/tweaks [23:41] a recipe for a prolonged headache [23:42] unless you can just throw load of money on it for 3 years (then dump it) because you're google, of course.