| tomreyn | unless you plan to do computation on your integrated graphics processor and doing so with the open source utilities is not working out, just ignore what you found there. | 00:00 |
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| maszlo | tomreyn: do you think the i915 is what I would need for it being an Intel Iris Plus Graphics 655 | 00:03 |
| tomreyn | maszlo: and intel gpu firmware, both of which are in ubuntu, yes. until you proove otherwise. | 00:05 |
| maszlo | tomreyn: should I use the hwe one? xserver-xorg-video-intel-hwe-18.04 | 00:08 |
| tomreyn | maszlo: you should do what ubottu explained | 00:11 |
| tomreyn | once that's done and you tested things then *maybe* (read up on it first) you also want to install va-driver-all | 00:11 |
| tomreyn | maszlo: see also https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-19.3-IceLake-i965-G3D | 00:19 |
| maszlo | tomreyn: Thanks for that find. I did read about mesa but was not quite sure what it was talking about. I do appreciate your help, and I apologize any frustration with me. | 00:23 |
| tomreyn | maszlo: you're welcome. try to read up on what was posted above by ubottu (chat logs are somewhere at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com ). generally, the goal around linux is that you don't need to install separate drivers, but that everything is open source and integrated into / available with the kernel. we're still not there, but things are slowly improving, and most graphics hardware (namely most of intel and amd, but also some others) can already | 00:59 |
| tomreyn | be used with proper drivers out of the box. | 00:59 |
| zxvff | I think I might have fixed the problem with chrome crashing constantly | 01:31 |
| zxvff | I disabled the gnome shell extension in Chrome | 01:31 |
| zxvff | and it hasn't crashed since, but it's only been a little while | 01:32 |
| zxvff | I also switched from Gnome to KDE and that seems to be quite a bit more stable (it has still been crashing, but far less frequently) | 01:32 |
| zxvff | seems I can get away with more than 5 tabs in KDE as well | 01:32 |
| zxvff | Plasma doesn't seem half bad either | 01:32 |
| zxvff | though I did spend quite a bit of time customizing my Gnome environment so that's a little disappointing if this is the fix | 01:33 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: I've had so much trouble with Plasma in the past, what specs are you running where chrome crashes at 5 tabs? | 01:33 |
| zxvff | keyrcbot: I'm running a Dell XPS 13 9350 (intel HD graphics, 16GB RAM) on 19.10 | 01:34 |
| zxvff | I don't think the number of tabs really matters, all of my web browsers are just very unstable | 01:34 |
| zxvff | Firefox crashes at boot, Chrome and Chromium work okay but seem to crash every few minutes especially when I have more than a couple of tabs open | 01:35 |
| zxvff | it happens more frequently with bigger pages like anything streaming video, or gmail or Facebook | 01:35 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: That's interesting; can you open them from the terminal and see if there's any error messages? | 01:35 |
| zxvff | I think it probably has something to do with the GPU | 01:35 |
| zxvff | dmesg isn't giving me very useful error messages | 01:35 |
| zxvff | I get a lot of messages about compositor | 01:35 |
| zxvff | I noticed that hwne it was crashing in KDE I was still getting gnome shell errors, which is what led me to disabling that gnome shell extension | 01:36 |
| zxvff | I also had a lot of CPU overheating warnings, so I spent some time trying to crrect this. I got my CPU down from consistent 86 - 89C to 75C or so, but it was still crashing | 01:36 |
| sarnold | that still seems hot to me | 01:36 |
| zxvff | probably | 01:37 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: That seems really hot to me; I wonder if your graphics drivers are misconfigured | 01:37 |
| sarnold | my Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8650U CPU @ 1.90GHz is currently running 40C | 01:37 |
| sarnold | my Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2630 v3 @ 2.40GHz is 23C | 01:37 |
| zxvff | package id 0: 87C core0 81C core1 81C | 01:38 |
| zxvff | that's per output of `sensors` | 01:38 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: I'm not an expert on the graphics drivers by any means; but if you're running that hot and getting composition errors it probably is from them.. | 01:39 |
| zxvff | yeah | 01:39 |
| zxvff | I'm just running the latest intel graphics drivers | 01:39 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: Also you'll still see gnome shell errors unless you entirely remove gnome and possibly gdm3 (KDE Plasma can use gdm3 but prefers sddm. I personally prefer XFCE with LightDM because as you mentioned, I've taken the time to heavily customize it) | 01:40 |
| zxvff | I've always ever just run fluxbox, I've never run a linux desktop as a primary machine before though so I decided to try to do something pretty | 01:41 |
| zxvff | my new employer doesn't want to spend $3k+ on a new macbook for me so I've decided to try Ubuntu before I end up spending $1000+ of the difference out of pocket | 01:42 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: Ubuntu is pretty good for getting your feet wet with Linux; did you try the LTS release, 18.04? | 01:43 |
| zxvff | I'm using 19.10 | 01:44 |
| zxvff | I"ve been using Linux for 15+ years, I just think it's stupid to run it as a desktop OS most of the time | 01:44 |
| zxvff | I also loathe Ubuntu, but it's unfortunately the only OS that seems to run very well out of the box on this laptop | 01:44 |
| zxvff | I was enjoying opensuse pretty well, but the entire system was just sluggish (browser didn't crash though) | 01:45 |
| zxvff | I'll admit that this is a much smoother experience overall (that one glaring problem aside) | 01:45 |
| zxvff | I haven't been able to get chromium to work with any of the DRM packages on Ubuntu either, but that's a minor issue since installing Chrome was a quick workaround | 01:46 |
| sarnold | we ship drm packages? | 01:46 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: Ah, I've only been using Linux for the past 8 years but it's been my daily driver on a few desktops and laptops. I prefer Gentoo but PopOS (Ubuntu reskinned a bit with better repos) will do in a pinch | 01:46 |
| zxvff | I am having some trouble getting my Windows 10 Virtualbox instance to perform very well, there were some kernel modules I had to add but there are still some things that just don't work very well there | 01:46 |
| zxvff | but it works well enough for what I need, it's just not a pleasure to use | 01:47 |
| OerHeks | interesting conversation, is there any support issue in there? | 01:47 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: | 01:48 |
| zxvff | in where OerHeks ? | 01:48 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: It is crashing his browsers as can be seen above :) | 01:48 |
| zxvff | I've been trying to troubleshoot a browser issue all day | 01:48 |
| zxvff | this is an extension of that | 01:48 |
| zxvff | so, yes | 01:48 |
| zxvff | I'll type whatever words I want into this channel though, feel free to petition to have me removed | 01:49 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: zxvff, you might want to try 18.04, the LTS or maybe roll back the graphics drivers | 01:49 |
| zxvff | keyrcbot: why would the LTS be a better choice? | 01:50 |
| zxvff | or 18.04? | 01:50 |
| zxvff | what's the problem with 19.10? | 01:50 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: Sorry for the confusing comma, 18.04 IS the LTS which means it wouldn't have as new packages, but they would be better tested | 01:50 |
| zxvff | like I mentioned, I'm hoping that removing the gnome shell extension from chrome fixed my problem, but regardless my system is still running much hotter than it should be which I suppose is prone to cause some problems down the road | 01:51 |
| zxvff | OerHeks: I'm eating an apple now. it's a mcintosh, but I also purchased some fuji apples - they were both the same price (the cheapest varieties at the store) and I have to say that I like the mcintosh variety quite a bit more | 01:52 |
| zxvff | OerHeks: the apples don't have anything to do with a support issue | 01:52 |
| zxvff | actually I amde a mistake, this one is a fuji, that is unfortunate | 01:53 |
| sarnold | man I love fujis | 01:59 |
| zxvff | sarnold: yeah they're usually pretty good but this batch isn't great. the mcintosh are all grown locally (i'm in maine) the fuji's are imported | 02:02 |
| zxvff | probably just not as fresh | 02:02 |
| dchapman | what's the preferred method of holding back a package (terminal) | 02:27 |
| sarnold | I think apt-mark hold <packagename> | 02:30 |
| dchapman | thanks | 02:32 |
| === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin | ||
| Bashing-om | dchapman: See too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto | 02:34 |
| dchapman | Bashing-om: thanks! | 02:34 |
| sarnold | pinning usually means doing something funny with a specific repository | 02:34 |
| zxvff | man mount, man date, man fsck, man finger, man find, man head, man tail, man strip, man unzip, man paste, man locate, man touch | 02:43 |
| zxvff | these are my favorite commands, are they supported by ubuntu? | 02:43 |
| zxvff | man grindr, that one doesn't work | 02:43 |
| leftyfb | zxvff: please stay on topic | 02:44 |
| leftyfb | zxvff: idle chat belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic | 02:44 |
| zxvff | leftyfb: I'll consider it | 02:45 |
| zxvff | this is the ubuntu support channel, I asked for support regarding the availability of some common unix commands on the ubuntu operating system | 02:46 |
| leftyfb | zxvff: the time it took you to type all that here, you could have easily typed into your own terminal. Also considering the entire thing is "do man pages work". And judging by your previous content, you already knew the answer to this. | 02:47 |
| zxvff | leftyfb: I admire your honesty, thank you for your time | 02:48 |
| Mibix | I can not figure out why this SMB share won't automount | 02:53 |
| sarnold | Mibix: what's your /etc/fstab line for the mount? do you see any error messages in journalctl or dmesg? | 02:54 |
| Mibix | //mibix-module/mibix-module /media/mibix-module cifs username=username,password=password,uid=1000,iocharset=utf8 0 0 | 02:55 |
| Mibix | it mounts fine with sudo mount /media/mibix-module | 02:56 |
| === [diablo]7 is now known as [diablo] | ||
| Mibix | hmm maybe this _netdev option will work | 02:57 |
| Mibix | _netdev no worky, trying x-systemd.automount | 03:07 |
| kamd | 1+1 = 3 | 03:59 |
| jackhum | i want to jump from 16.04 to 18.04 lts , but when i do do-release-upgrade, i get upgrades to the developement release are only. | 04:07 |
| jackhum | can anyone guide me how to upgrade my ubuntu successfully without breaking things | 04:07 |
| jackhum | any other way by which upgrades can be done ? any offline method where i can just download some image file etc? | 04:08 |
| dax | jackhum: what version is it trying to upgrade you to? | 04:10 |
| jackhum | dax, i am on 16.04 lts , and i want to jump to whatever latest is | 04:11 |
| dax | yes, the latest lts is 18.04. i'm asking what version it's telling you it will upgrade to when you do do-release-upgrade | 04:11 |
| jackhum | jackhum, are lts version safer for upgrades? or can i jump to non lts too | 04:11 |
| jackhum | Upgrades to the development release are only | 04:12 |
| jackhum | available from the latest supported release. | 04:12 |
| dax | are you doing do-release-upgrade -d? if so, remove the -d | 04:12 |
| jackhum | dax, also, i think in past i disabled some option which does release upgrades cause they were very annoying | 04:12 |
| jackhum | dax, removing -d gives me , No new release found | 04:13 |
| jackhum | dax, as i remember i followed some guide to disable the upgrades using software & updates application. how to check if i have that properly setup | 04:13 |
| dax | run `sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades`, change the value of prompt= to either Prompt=normal (which will offer non-LTS for upgrade) or Prompt=lts (which will only offer long-term support releases) | 04:14 |
| dax | I'm guessing it's currently Prompt=never | 04:14 |
| jackhum | dax, i just checked my software and updates application , and i found that notify me for a new ubuntu version is set to never, should i change it to for lts | 04:15 |
| dax | yeah, that dropdown is the GUI equivalent to the file I just mentioned | 04:15 |
| dax | change it to whichever of the options you want, then try upgrading again | 04:15 |
| jackhum | dax, do you recommend to jump on non lts version ? i use 16.04 and i like unity tbh. can i install unity on 18.04 | 04:16 |
| dax | It's available but not the default, see https://askubuntu.com/a/1124715 for instructions on installing it. | 04:18 |
| dax | whether you use LTS or non-LTS is up to you. if you switch to non-LTS, you'll be upgrading every six months, rather than every few years | 04:19 |
| dax | but on the flip side, non-LTS obvious has newer software | 04:19 |
| dax | i think the above instructions work for both 18.04 and (the current non-LTS release) 19.04, but I haven't tried Unity in a long time so I'm not 100% sure | 04:19 |
| dax | s/19.04/19.10/ | 04:19 |
| dax | I also note that 20.04 is coming out in April and both 18.04 and 19.10 will offer upgrades to it after release | 04:20 |
| jackhum | dax, do you recommend switching to gnome from unity while on 18.04 ? i was using 16.04 with unity for so long and was quite comfortable with shortcuts and overall gui usage | 04:20 |
| dax | it's a preference thing, though notably GNOME being the default means it's more supported | 04:20 |
| jackhum | dax, yeah , i will switch to 20.04 as soon as it comes out , but first i will have to get on 18.04 boat lol | 04:20 |
| dax | *nod* | 04:21 |
| jackhum | dax, so you mean to say that forcing unity on 18.04 will still make it run all fine | 04:21 |
| dax | it should work | 04:21 |
| jackhum | dax, nice, i will check | 04:22 |
| dax | it's in universe so it's less supported, and there's not a whole lot of development effort on these days, so i wouldn't personally stick with it unless you need to for some reason, but yeah | 04:22 |
| jackhum | dax, umm , well i am not very hardcore linux guy , still learning it for my computer science degree. but still i was on unity for so long and was nice and comfortable with 16.04 untill i figured out that its outdated lol | 04:23 |
| rud0lf | hardcore is a level, you cannot gradate it | 04:24 |
| jackhum | rud0lf, i am linoobie :) | 04:25 |
| jackhum | a very smol tux penguin | 04:25 |
| rud0lf | i mean you can't say "very hardcore" or "almost right" | 04:27 |
| acu | I run Ubuntu 18.04 server - how can we disable the cloud config in ubuntu server | 04:47 |
| kamd | use sudo dpkg-reconfigure cloud-init to do it interactively. | 04:49 |
| phelix | Csn someone please help me. I my ubuntu machinhe been working fine for every. I just rebooted it and ethernet will no longer connect.. How would i go about troubleshooting this? | 05:17 |
| phelix | supposed to go out of town in like 3 hours and all the sudden out of know where stupid computer won't connect. I need to be able to access this while i am out of town. If someone can please help me troubleshoot this. I have no idea what might have happened here. | 05:19 |
| phelix | can someone please help me? | 05:41 |
| phlix | Seems jsut like its not getting an IP address | 05:54 |
| phlix | any ideas what could have randomly caused this? | 05:54 |
| phelix | IS there a channel where someone might be ab le to help me? Everyone here just idle? | 06:15 |
| === zenguy_ is now known as zenguy | ||
| hegemoOn | hello there, anyone experienced with luks encrypted usb device. | 07:45 |
| hegemoOn | i manually created a luks partition on my external hdd, and after opening it, created an ext4 partition | 07:45 |
| hegemoOn | it's now in some undefined status | 07:45 |
| hegemoOn | as far as i can see my device with lsblk | 07:45 |
| hegemoOn | but luksOpen says device is busy | 07:46 |
| hegemoOn | already mapped or mounted | 07:47 |
| hegemoOn | or it's not mounted | 07:47 |
| hegemoOn | and i cannot map it anymore | 07:47 |
| hegemoOn | in the file navigator, "operation is pending" when i try to access my device | 07:49 |
| eliyahuTBR | morning folks. how do i add google calendar to my ubuntu calendar? | 08:10 |
| holi | I can not mount a partition. A friend show me the command xfs_repair but I want the exact command and I want to know if it will work on any filesystem (ext4, ext3 etc...) | 08:26 |
| Habbie | holi, xfs_repair is only for xfs partitions | 08:29 |
| OerHeks | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting | 08:30 |
| OerHeks | all there, even *kuch* reiser | 08:30 |
| holi | Habbie I have already launched this command a long time ago on a system wich is probably ext4. do you think I maye have damaged my partition again? | 08:31 |
| Habbie | holi, i'm surprised the command even started in that case | 08:32 |
| Habbie | holi, so i don't know | 08:32 |
| holi | ok | 08:32 |
| williamconna | join #manjaro | 08:33 |
| OerHeks | and what did that commnad give as output?? | 08:33 |
| williamconna | sorry typo | 08:33 |
| holi | OerHeks a lot of points like .......................... and then I did ctr-C because I was busy | 08:37 |
| Aryan | how can i find out the package name of some my graphical tools to using it for my scripts ? | 08:39 |
| nbhat_DT | Hi, Can somebody please share the PXE/netboot image location link of the Ubuntu Server 20.04 LTS (Focal Fossa) ? | 08:56 |
| Aryan | nbhat_DT: is ubuntu 20.04 LTS available ? | 08:57 |
| nbhat_DT | I can see the ISO image link for the daily build ISO images - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | 08:57 |
| nbhat_DT | Aryan yes | 08:58 |
| nbhat_DT | Aryan see the above link :) | 08:58 |
| williamconna | Aryan: Ubuntu 20.04 is beta now | 08:58 |
| Aryan | it's for server | 08:58 |
| Aryan | i need client | 08:58 |
| Aryan | it doesn't update when i try do-release-upgrade | 08:59 |
| nbhat_DT | Aryan Oh, I have not yet tested it although | 09:00 |
| nbhat_DT | Aryan on which architecture did you tried ? | 09:01 |
| Aryan | AMD64 | 09:01 |
| OerHeks | there is no netboot fossa 20.04 beta yet.. | 09:02 |
| OerHeks | closest thing is server | 09:02 |
| nbhat_DT | OerHeks thanks for the information. I am assuming that option is available in the final release ? | 09:03 |
| OerHeks | i should think so. netboot and mini iso | 09:03 |
| nbhat_DT | OerHeks may be it is very early to ask the question :) | 09:04 |
| nbhat_DT | Aryan Did you tried to update from older version (like 18.04 or 19.x) version to 20.04 ? | 09:07 |
| Aryan | nbhat_DT: i'm 18.04 | 09:07 |
| Aryan | nbhat_DT: i tried do-release-upgrade | 09:08 |
| geirha | !20.04 | 09:08 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 20.04 (Focal Fossa) will be the 32nd release of Ubuntu, scheduled for April 2020 ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule ). It will be a long-term support release. Join #ubuntu+1 for support and questions. | 09:08 |
| nbhat_DT | Aryan Oh I see, there must be some major changes merged | 09:09 |
| bozsikarmand | Hello :) | 09:09 |
| nbhat_DT | ubottu Thank you very much I will read it :) | 09:09 |
| ubottu | nbhat_DT: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 09:09 |
| Aryan | LOOL | 09:11 |
| nbhat_DT | LOL | 09:11 |
| nbhat_DT | Aryan I am happy that some un-intelligent also replied for my chat :) | 09:13 |
| Aryan | xD | 09:14 |
| Aryan | it's intelligent therefore | 09:14 |
| Aryan | ;D | 09:14 |
| nbhat_DT | Ha ha LOL | 09:14 |
| IniGit | hi | 09:42 |
| IniGit | I'm using rsync via WSL and it always copies a folder $RECYCLE.BIN and I cannot figure out how to exclude it. I really tried all possible combinations. Is there a way? | 09:43 |
| IniGit | rsync -avP --delete --info=progress2 --stats --exclude="$RECYCLE.BIN" --info=name0 "/mnt/d/" "/mnt/f/backup/exactCopyOfD" | 09:43 |
| IniGit | The above does not work | 09:43 |
| IniGit | It also does not work when I specify an absilute path or use a trailing slash or leave the quotes | 09:43 |
| IniGit | I tried really everything | 09:43 |
| hegemoOn | what would be the a good product as external usb harddrive for backup ? | 09:52 |
| hegemoOn | support encryption | 09:52 |
| hegemoOn | im fighting with seagate hdd 1tb | 09:52 |
| hegemoOn | lotsa bug and kernel hang | 09:53 |
| hegemoOn | why external usb hard drive are so painfull in 2020 | 09:53 |
| hegemoOn | my rsync just hangs | 09:54 |
| ryuo | hegemoOn: i wouldn't trust hardware based encryption. if you want those to be encrypted, you should use something like LUKS or veracrypt. their advantages depends on your use case. | 09:58 |
| chimneys | hi | 10:00 |
| chimneys | how do i not show grub | 10:00 |
| chimneys | upon boot | 10:00 |
| jeremy31 | chimneys: is it dual boot? | 10:02 |
| chimneys | ya | 10:03 |
| jeremy31 | chimneys: post URL from terminal for> cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999 | 10:06 |
| chimneys | https://termbin.com/9ezs | 10:24 |
| chimneys | jeremy31: enjoy | 10:24 |
| jeremy31 | chimneys: see https://askubuntu.com/a/1197788/ | 10:25 |
| chimneys | jeremy31: arch + ubuntu shit | 10:27 |
| jeremy31 | chimneys: I think those 2 lines are needed and it may be true that os-prober may change it | 10:29 |
| hegemoOn | ryuo: i was using luks | 10:30 |
| chimneys | bro also upon ubuntu upgrade to latest something my ubuntu crashed | 10:30 |
| chimneys | never upgrade when will they fix it | 10:30 |
| chimneys | 19.04 to 19.10 | 10:30 |
| chimneys | failed | 10:31 |
| ryuo | hegemoOn: I see. | 10:31 |
| chimneys | anyone else experience this problem | 10:31 |
| jeremy31 | chimneys: I don't know why, I still use 18.04 | 10:31 |
| chimneys | maybe try upgrade | 10:32 |
| mgedmin | I've had many ubuntu upgrades fail for various reasons | 10:34 |
| mgedmin | usually I can recover and finish the upgrade if I do sudo apt dist-upgrade -f after the update-manager fails, but before trying to reboot | 10:35 |
| mgedmin | (also I always file bugs for failed upgrades, and usually see them get fixed after a bit of time) | 10:35 |
| tatertots | upgrades are hit or miss...a clean install of the newer version is usually a lot less anxiety producing | 10:59 |
| ibr2 | guys, how can i install smbmap on Ubuntu? | 11:26 |
| lotuspsychje | ibr2: sudo apt install smbmap | 11:27 |
| ibr2 | lotuspsychje, E: Unable to locate package smbmap | 11:28 |
| ibr2 | here's the output | 11:28 |
| lotuspsychje | !info smbmap | 11:28 |
| ubottu | smbmap (source: smbmap): handy SMB enumeration tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.5+git20180508-2 (eoan), package size 17 kB, installed size 59 kB | 11:28 |
| lotuspsychje | ibr2: universe repo enabled? | 11:28 |
| ibr2 | lotuspsychje, how can I know? | 11:29 |
| lotuspsychje | ibr2: software&sources icon | 11:29 |
| lotuspsychje | software&updates | 11:30 |
| Rob_Jones | Hey all has someone got time to help me with linux based software? | 11:35 |
| lotuspsychje | Rob_Jones: we usually focus on ubuntu support questions here | 11:35 |
| Rob_Jones | I have convinced my company to let me switch from mac to ubuntu on the condition i can prove every software i use on my mac | 11:35 |
| Rob_Jones | i can replicate on ubuntu | 11:36 |
| Rob_Jones | and sorry should have specified it was a ubuntu os | 11:36 |
| Rob_Jones | main thing i am struggling about is they use microsoft as their email | 11:36 |
| Rob_Jones | on mac i use outlook/mail | 11:37 |
| Rob_Jones | whats the best ubuntu email client that i could use to connect | 11:37 |
| lotuspsychje | Rob_Jones: ubuntu uses thunderbird by default, did you try it? | 11:38 |
| Rob_Jones | not yet but would it be able to connect to the server to retrieve my mail? | 11:38 |
| mgedmin | I've never done it, but I would expect either Thunderbird or Evolution to be able to talk to Microsoft Exchange servers | 11:40 |
| Rob_Jones | apparently thunderbird needs an addon | 11:40 |
| Rob_Jones | called ExQuilla | 11:41 |
| Rob_Jones | but thats a paid addon | 11:41 |
| mgedmin | Evolution is more-or-less an Outlook clone, it has calendaring etc as well as email | 11:41 |
| mgedmin | again, I cannot personally say how well it works, but now you at least know some application names to google | 11:41 |
| Rob_Jones | so the big question atm is the email client | 11:46 |
| Rob_Jones | if i cant get it to work, i may have to remain on mac | 11:47 |
| TJ- | Rob_Jones: what email server is used? is it an internal Exchange Server, or possibly Microsoft 'Cloud' Outlook service ? Because in some circumstances you can use IMAP to connect to the server, e.g. from Mozilla Thunderbird | 11:57 |
| Rob_Jones | not too sure, will ask the question and get back to you on it | 11:57 |
| Rob_Jones | someone has told me to use hiri | 11:58 |
| Rob_Jones | it looks nice | 11:59 |
| TJ- | I use Thunderbird with IMAP for a MS Outlook/Office online service | 11:59 |
| Rob_Jones | it has got ms cloud ability | 11:59 |
| Rob_Jones | a few people in the office use cloud | 11:59 |
| JustASlacker | Hello peoples! Anybody know a GUI application to access smartcards? or any PKCS11 store? | 12:05 |
| TJ- | JustASlacker: you mean like PIV? The only one I know of is related to Yubikeys | 12:06 |
| perr-paranoic | Hi, I have this issue for updates : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qRxxXfVj22/ | 12:07 |
| JustASlacker | TJ, its not a Yubikey , its TPM2, so I doubt that works | 12:12 |
| JustASlacker | unless they access Yubikey via PKCS11? | 12:13 |
| JustASlacker | can you give me a link? | 12:13 |
| JustASlacker | and I dont know what PIV is | 12:13 |
| Cheez | yubikey can look like several different hardware backed trust stores iirc | 12:14 |
| TJ- | JustASlacker: PIV is a smartcard interface standard for ID verification | 12:15 |
| JustASlacker | aha | 12:16 |
| JustASlacker | I have keys stored in TPM2 | 12:16 |
| JustASlacker | and it can be accessed via PKCS11 | 12:17 |
| JustASlacker | kinda works too | 12:17 |
| JustASlacker | I guess there is gnome-keyring-pkcs11 | 12:20 |
| JustASlacker | how can I access that in ubuntu? | 12:20 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 12:39 |
| rpifan | hello i want to p2v a ubunt server to a vm. Can i just rsycn the physical server to the vm | 12:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: You can create a disk image of the current server and then apply that image to the VM. My opinion, to get the best results is to start fresh | 12:47 |
| pragmaticenigma | with a clean install on the VM | 12:47 |
| rpifan | well i had issues creating the disk image | 12:47 |
| rpifan | and also applying it to proxmox | 12:48 |
| rpifan | how would u make the image | 12:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | I use clonezilla for creating my disk images | 12:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | I do not know how to use clonezilla to apply the image to a VM however | 12:48 |
| rpifan | where do u store the disk image | 12:49 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: I back up to an external harddrive | 12:50 |
| rpifan | hm | 12:51 |
| rpifan | is rsync a bad idea | 12:51 |
| BluesKaj | dd works well if you're careful | 12:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: rsync is not intended for that purpose. You need a disk image, otherwise the layout of the target disk will be incorrect and will not boot. rsync will not copy things like the File Allocation Table, which needs to be in a certain layout in order for any computer or VM to boot from that disk | 12:52 |
| BluesKaj | for a disk image that is | 12:52 |
| rpifan | i dont mind destorying the vm but i do needto keep the physical server as in tact as possible | 12:54 |
| rpifan | but can i dd from inside the vm itself? | 12:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: Are you doing this professionally? | 12:55 |
| baako | gi guys am using ubuntu desktop and am using issue connecting to the internet using ethernet | 12:55 |
| baako | anyone wifi works fine but ethernet its not | 12:55 |
| rpifan | we are migrating the wiki / ticketing system | 12:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: I suggest you find someone in the company that knows how to do this. Taking advice from a chat room for such an environment is a very bad idea. | 12:57 |
| rpifan | there is no one | 12:57 |
| rpifan | lol | 12:57 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: The volunteers here mean well, but we don't have to worry about uptime or fallout from a mistake. You really should seek someone in person to help you out. | 12:58 |
| rpifan | uptime is fine | 12:58 |
| rpifan | the wiki and ticketing are down | 12:58 |
| rpifan | ppl know | 12:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: I already gave you the suggestion of clonesilla... anything further is beyond the scope of this channel. Clonezilla is a user friendly interface for "dd" as suggested by BluesKaj ... It's up to you to seek out the documenation and learn how to use the tool. Clonezilla and system adminstration is beyond the scope of this channel | 13:00 |
| rpifan | well i tried clonezilla but i didnt find a way | 13:00 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: There is a channel dedicated to Clonezilla ... /join #clonezilla for assistance | 13:02 |
| rpifan | yea i did its empty | 13:11 |
| ibr2 | lotuspsychje, how can I know? | 13:24 |
| ibr2 | lotuspsychje, how can I know? | 13:24 |
| rpifan | the problem is the phsyica server has lvm | 13:27 |
| leftyfb | ibr2: smbmap is not a package or file available in the official ubuntu repos. You'll have to seek support from it's author | 13:27 |
| rpifan | and the dest has zfs | 13:27 |
| rpifan | so its a huge mess | 13:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: Based on the new information, you will have to start with a fresh installation. And then you can use rsync to copy over any configuration and/or data files used by the applications you had running on the previous instance. The first step is to get the VM up and running, then install the application software for your ticketing systems and wiki. Then leverage those application's documentation on how to migrate the data to a | 13:31 |
| pragmaticenigma | new instance. | 13:31 |
| vitimiti | I am trying to install Ubuntu 19.10 in an Asus laptop with optimus dual GPUS (Intel/NVidia) and the boot process ends up locking up and the screen is black. Adding "nomodeset" to the grub parameters is NOT helping. Any ideas? | 13:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: That is the only way to ensure that you will have a stable working server in the end | 13:32 |
| rpifan | y4w | 13:33 |
| rpifan | its a mess | 13:33 |
| rpifan | not my fault | 13:33 |
| BluesKaj | !optimus | vitimiti | 13:33 |
| ubottu | vitimiti: Ubuntu uses nvidia-prime to support optimus videocards. | 13:33 |
| vitimiti | Yeah, I know, but I can't even start the computer after install, BluesKaj | 13:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | vitimiti: The firmware/BIOS should have a setting to disable the discreet graphics.. .which may help in getting the sytem booted | 13:34 |
| rpifan | i realy need the time to read on zfs docs | 13:35 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: I fail to see how that would be any help in this situation | 13:35 |
| ioria | vitimiti, boot in single or recovery and purge nvidia (if installed) and disable SecureBoot if enabled | 13:36 |
| rpifan | well so id know how lvm and zfs interact | 13:36 |
| rpifan | since thats obviously part of the problem | 13:36 |
| rpifan | im not evne good at lvm | 13:36 |
| BluesKaj | vitimiti, get rid of nomodeset and go with default to get a desktop that you can work on | 13:36 |
| vitimiti | ioria, I just installed Ubuntu, there is no NVidia at all. I had to disable both fastboot and secureboot to even install the OS | 13:36 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: They have nothing to do with your situation | 13:36 |
| vitimiti | BluesKaj, nomodeset doesn't get to GDM anyway | 13:36 |
| rpifan | well if it was a normal vm id make an image of the drive then just load it on the vm | 13:37 |
| ioria | vitimiti, boot in recovery mode and enable networking | 13:37 |
| rpifan | but proxmox and zfs dont seem to work like that | 13:37 |
| vitimiti | ioria, and what should I do with the network on? | 13:37 |
| tatertots | normal VM?...what other kind of VM might you be referring to? | 13:37 |
| BluesKaj | vitimiti, try a VT/TTY , ctl+alt+F2-F6 | 13:37 |
| ioria | vitimiti, maybe give us some infos .... | 13:38 |
| rpifan | vmware | 13:38 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: that's because they're two different file system. rpifan At this point I gave you the answer... you have to start fresh. you can't image the drives to do what you desire. | 13:38 |
| vitimiti | BluesKaj, the whole system freezes after about 30 seconds, can't get a TTY | 13:38 |
| vitimiti | ioria, will try. Maybe even a kernel upgrade will help, idk | 13:38 |
| tatertots | vmware vm's are just as normal as hyper-v and qeme/KVM VM's | 13:38 |
| tatertots | and virtualbox VM's | 13:38 |
| tatertots | ..lol..almost forgot oracle | 13:38 |
| rpifan | well proxmox on zfs is another beast | 13:38 |
| ioria | vitimiti, you can also upgrade the system from Recovery | 13:38 |
| vitimiti | ioria, yeah, let me try | 13:39 |
| * BluesKaj assumed that was already ried | 13:39 | |
| BluesKaj | tried | 13:39 |
| rpifan | this is all being done by an outside consultant | 13:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: Again... the only way to get your scenario up and running is a fresh install, doesn't matter what filesystem you choose. Get the applications software installed to run your ticketing system and wiki. then figure out how to migrate the databases to the new system | 13:39 |
| tatertots | it's vmware ...doesn't matter what vendor your box / hardware is...they all have intel i 3/5/7 or xeon CPU's or the equivalent AMD cpu's | 13:40 |
| rpifan | yea | 13:40 |
| rpifan | i know | 13:40 |
| * BluesKaj vows to stop making assumptions | 13:40 | |
| vitimiti | I am trying to help a person that doesn't know any of this from 300 miles away, BluesKaj, so sorry if some things are skipped in the process | 13:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | rpifan: Then please discontinue with the chatter about everything else | 13:40 |
| tatertots | please | 13:41 |
| rpifan | rpifan, shall discontinue existance | 13:41 |
| tatertots | it's contradictory that you say you're doing a P2V on ubuntu, then later speak as if it's already a vmware VM | 13:43 |
| tatertots | and not a "normal" ubuntu VM on top of that | 13:44 |
| tatertots | the "P" in P2V means "physical" | 13:44 |
| tatertots | but we're just gonna leave that whole thing alone | 13:44 |
| jackhum | trying to do-release-upgrade gives me , please install all available updates fro your release before upgrading. | 14:25 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: jackhum, I believe that's the intended response if you have pending updates when you try to do a release upgrade | 14:29 |
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| chimneys | hey | 14:44 |
| chimneys | how do i install quicklisp | 14:44 |
| chimneys | I followed the guide and my goal is to install cl-jupyter, but the kernel is not loading | 14:44 |
| chimneys | I open I see sbcl inside it, but it says kernel connecting and cells don't execute | 14:45 |
| chimneys | I have jupyter in a venv of python | 14:45 |
| chimneys | A connection to the notebook server could not be established. The notebook will continue trying to reconnect. Check your network connection or notebook server configuration. | 14:45 |
| chimneys | do i need to run loading after installation as well,.. https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/#loading | 14:45 |
| chimneys | do i need to run the loading cmd as well | 14:45 |
| infandum | I used "put" in ftp to upload a very large file to a server. However, it hangs at 150 Opening Binary mode. However, checking the size on the server, the bytes are the same number as the local version. Killing the process (after days), it says "send aborted". Did it actually abort if the bytes are equal or should I re-send? | 15:04 |
| infandum | I can't check the md5sum as the ftp server doesn't support that... | 15:04 |
| infandum | And I don't have download, just upload, access | 15:05 |
| chimneys | what is hotspot logins why do those windows keep opening up automatically | 15:08 |
| fdx_ | you mean the windows that open when you connect to a wifi network? | 15:09 |
| chimneys | i don't know it's says at the top hotspot logins and just closes automatically I am on wired connection | 15:12 |
| fdx_ | Well i don't know what that is, i've only seen them on wifi... | 15:14 |
| fdx_ | infandum have you got the ftp passive mode working? Usually when it gets stuck on that it means that it's trying to go on passive mode. | 15:14 |
| chimneys | how do i reopen them | 15:14 |
| ioria | chimneys, go to System Settings > Privacy > Network Connectivity Checking > turn it OFF | 15:16 |
| chimneys | /etc/resolv.conf says 127.0.0.53 why | 15:16 |
| chimneys | ioria: thx i did it | 15:18 |
| ioria | ok | 15:18 |
| chimneys | ioria: do you what is lisp | 15:18 |
| ioria | yes... it's used to make emacs, like C | 15:18 |
| ioria | chimneys, ask Stallman :þ | 15:19 |
| chimneys | oh you that smart | 15:19 |
| chimneys | I am following the same path as stallman. unable to install cl-jupyter, actually quicklisp - i installed it but it's not loading the kernel | 15:20 |
| ioria | chimneys, is cl-jupyter an ubuntu package ? | 15:21 |
| jackhum | keyrcbot, i have tried sudo apt get upgrade several times now , idk why i am not able to release upgrade | 15:21 |
| fdx_ | jackhum, what does it tell you | 15:22 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: jackhum, when you run apt update what does it say | 15:23 |
| ircExile | hey is this the official ubuntu irc or is there somewhere else? | 15:25 |
| tonyt | ircExile the answer to your question is in the channel topic btw | 15:26 |
| tonyt | and yes it is | 15:26 |
| ircExile | I use mint so its not by default setup in irc. Sorry about that. I'm here to just absorb tips and stay ib the loop. | 15:28 |
| jackhum | fdx_, keyrcbot , i did apt get update , and approx last 50 lines which i think are causing problem are https://pastebin.com/raw/VDQ3eU4c | 15:28 |
| jackhum | keyrcbot, i have set google earth on hold as far as i remember | 15:29 |
| fdx_ | jackhum i'm not really an expert but it seems (to me) like you have a repo with the wrong architecture, and some aren't signed (you can force apt to download from them with --allow-unauthenticated | 15:31 |
| keyrcbot | [rudi9719]: fdx_ is right, you won't be able to dist upgrade until you appease the updates | 15:34 |
| fdx_ | oh and about the arch, have a look at this, it might help https://askubuntu.com/questions/741410/skipping-acquire-of-configured-file-main-binary-i386-packages-as-repository-x | 15:35 |
| chimneys | i updated my system crashed | 15:41 |
| chimneys | upgrade to 19.10 from 19.04 | 15:41 |
| lano | allo, my sd card is not showing up even though it showed up yesterday and it is in | 15:44 |
| lano | not sure why | 15:44 |
| lano | does anyone have any inklings? | 15:44 |
| fdx_ | lano, does it show up on other devices? | 15:45 |
| lano | i don't actually have any others to try on | 15:45 |
| fdx_ | oh, what os are you using? | 15:46 |
| lano | 18.04 | 15:46 |
| ioria | lano, sometimes rebooting with the card inserted helped me; if not working check dmesg | tail | 15:46 |
| lano | thanks both :) | 15:46 |
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| ircExile | jackhum and others I see xenial in the pastebin. is this an ikder version needing the ppa urls to be modified with archive | 15:56 |
| ircExile | could that be an issue? | 15:57 |
| Shapeshifter | Does someone have a Dell XPS 7390 (2019) and could tell me the webcam vendor and model? It appears that it's supported "officially" in Ubuntu, but I couldn't find any info on the actual hardware. I'd be surprised if it actually works. | 15:58 |
| Shapeshifter | I mean, the hardware page says " | 15:58 |
| Shapeshifter | CN09357GLOG0092CA2RBA01 Integrated_Webcam_HD: Integrate " but that's a bit heavy on the eyes. | 15:58 |
| ryuo | Shapeshifter: most web cameras are generic USB devices. | 15:59 |
| Shapeshifter | ryuo: that's what I thought, but apparently this one uses something called Intel IPU4 and there are no Linux drivers for that, only IPU3. | 15:59 |
| ryuo | and how would you know that | 15:59 |
| ryuo | o.O | 15:59 |
| ryuo | Shapeshifter: https://github.com/intel/intel-camera-drivers ? | 16:00 |
| Shapeshifter | ryuo: I'm only guessing. I gathered from the Wiki that this is true for the 7390 2-in-1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Dell/XPS/XPS-13-7390-2-in-1 but I can't find the same info for the regular 7390. But their hardware is veery similar, so I'd be surprised if one uses a completely different webcam technology. | 16:01 |
| Shapeshifter | ryuo: yeah it's said that this requires "nontrivial" changes to work on linux 5.4 | 16:01 |
| Shapeshifter | so, if it's officially supported by dell for the regular, maybe I can get lucky with the 2-in-1. | 16:02 |
| ryuo | check the manual from Dell. if it's official, it'll mention Ubuntu under the specifications. | 16:02 |
| pragmaticenigma | Shapeshifter: Is the camera listed with lsusb? | 16:03 |
| Shapeshifter | ryuo: the 7390 is officially available with ubuntu, the 7390 2-in-1 isn't, but they're soo similar. | 16:03 |
| Shapeshifter | pragmaticenigma: no, it doesn't even show up | 16:03 |
| pragmaticenigma | lspci? | 16:03 |
| ryuo | it could be an ACPI thing. | 16:04 |
| ryuo | in which case neither would show it. | 16:04 |
| Shapeshifter | pragmaticenigma: I don't think so https://lpaste.com/PkgnoqAc4f | 16:04 |
| ryuo | Shapeshifter: so you already own it? | 16:05 |
| Shapeshifter | ryuo: the 2-in-1 yes, but I'm asking about the regular | 16:05 |
| ryuo | Ok.. that usb intel looks suspicious. | 16:05 |
| ryuo | let's check kernel sources | 16:06 |
| Shapeshifter | ryuo: you mean Bus 003 Device 003: ID 8087:0026 Intel Corp.? That seems ot be something wifi if I look at lsusb -D | 16:06 |
| pragmaticenigma | I think that is bluetoth | 16:06 |
| ryuo | Oh. | 16:06 |
| Shapeshifter | bluetooth, yes. | 16:07 |
| jackhum | fdx_ , how can i resolve these issues regarding release files and pubkeys | 16:08 |
| pragmaticenigma | Shapeshifter: as of right now everything I found regarding IPU4 mentions the kernel does not contain drivers as of yet. Without knowing the release date of the controller/technology, it's hard to say if enough of them have made it out into the hands of devs to build a driver | 16:08 |
| lano | (my issue was that the sd card wasn't it the sd card holder /o\) | 16:09 |
| * lano gets a taxi | 16:09 | |
| Shapeshifter | pragmaticenigma: I concur and I assume the "official" dell-with-ubuntu-7390 doesn't have a working webcam either, because it's exactly the same platform. Maybe they'll get on with developing a driver. | 16:10 |
| pragmaticenigma | Shapeshifter: It's possible, but I would think Canonical would frown on release hardware with the Ubuntu label and not have a fully functioning system. I'm guessing DELL has developed a driver, or has some other workaround | 16:11 |
| Shapeshifter | pragmaticenigma: possible. | 16:11 |
| tbrown92tbs | Will there be an ISO Image for 32 bit for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS | 16:12 |
| pragmaticenigma | tbrown92tbs: There hasn't been a 32 bit ISO for awhile now | 16:13 |
| tbrown92tbs | I know it kind of odd how they stop it. I mean lubuntu is for lightwight distros and they don't even have a 32 bit ISO for the Newest Version to upgrade users systems... Strange | 16:14 |
| tbrown92tbs | I know they had people upset with gaming. But they still reseve updates packages for Ubuntu for 32 bit a articial told me that | 16:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | tbrown92tbs: The 32 bit gamers was a separate issue, that was the libraries used in 64bit ubuntu to support 32bit applications | 16:15 |
| ircExile | which distro works on 32biit | 16:15 |
| pragmaticenigma | ircExile: That is offtopic for this channel. Please feel free to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic | 16:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | tbrown92tbs: There hasn't been a lot of demand for the 32bit ISO. Canonical decided the cost to maintain the test systems for those ISOs could be better utilized in other ways. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS can be installed via the mini.iso release. Which is a network installer. I don't know if a 32bit ISO of mini will be made with the 20.04 release | 16:17 |
| Porpetinha | Hi, I trying to install a .deb through the GUI, and Ubuntu Software is asking me a password that I have no idea were it came from | 16:19 |
| randompleb | Porpetinha, You can install it via terminal - sudo apt install /path/to/package | 16:19 |
| Porpetinha | My user is on the sudoers, and when the gksudo pops up asking the password, there is a 'Administrator' in orange I have never seen before | 16:19 |
| Porpetinha | I know, what I want to understand what freak is that Adminsitrator in orange in the popup | 16:20 |
| fdx_ | maybe it's root? | 16:20 |
| Porpetinha | This is a 18.04 install I have never ever seen that before | 16:20 |
| randompleb | Yeah, and ubuntu does not have a default root password set i think? | 16:20 |
| Porpetinha | fdx_ I don't think so, because there is no root password by default on Ubuntu | 16:21 |
| Porpetinha | I mean, it is set by the setup | 16:21 |
| randompleb | Porpetinha, you can try using "sudo passwd root" and set a password. And try installing again? | 16:21 |
| Porpetinha | No man | 16:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | Porpetinha: Type in the same password as the one you used to login with | 16:21 |
| tbrown92tbs | pragmaticenigma : Thanks Already New That But Thanks for the Info thow I hope they start supporting the main install of 32 ISO again in the feature I tryed to email the press or were I can get it resolved but it seems there no hope for #32bitos | 16:21 |
| Porpetinha | Stop with that, I want to understand the behavior not work AROUND it | 16:22 |
| ioria | Shapeshifter, strange that the archlinux page says the camera is supported : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_XPS_13_(9370) | 16:22 |
| Porpetinha | pragmaticenigma that is what i thought, but the password is not accepted | 16:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | ioria: that is for the older chipset | 16:22 |
| ioria | i see | 16:22 |
| pragmaticenigma | Porpetinha: Did you recently change your password or make another other user administrative changes? | 16:23 |
| randompleb | Porpetinha, Ubuntu has a root user but it has no password by default. Probably that's why it asks for the "Administrator" password. | 16:23 |
| Porpetinha | No | 16:23 |
| Porpetinha | randompleb I don't think it would start asking the root password | 16:23 |
| Porpetinha | And even in that case, it is root no administrator | 16:24 |
| Porpetinha | not* administrator, there is a big difference there | 16:24 |
| randompleb | Porpetinha, That's whyI asked you set a root password with "sudo passwd root" and check if you can install the package... | 16:24 |
| Porpetinha | randompleb But your suggestion go against the proposal of Ubuntu altogether! We are not supposed to use the root account what so ever | 16:25 |
| Porpetinha | And even in that case, I'm not logged as root | 16:26 |
| pragmaticenigma | Porpetinha: let's stick the problem at hand. If other volunteers are offering things that don't appear to be helping, feel free to ignore them | 16:27 |
| Porpetinha | Let grab a screenshot, I never saw the gksudo window like that | 16:27 |
| pragmaticenigma | Porpetinha: Is this a new install or one that you have been using for awhile. Also, starting with 18.04 gksudo was deprecated, and no longer used | 16:28 |
| fdx_ | Portpetinha: have you checked the /etc/passwd file to see if that account exists? | 16:28 |
| Porpetinha | I said gksudo, but I not sure if is it asking the password | 16:28 |
| Porpetinha | fdx_ sure, the first thing | 16:29 |
| fdx_ | so does it exist? | 16:29 |
| Porpetinha | No | 16:29 |
| Porpetinha | Take a look | 16:31 |
| Porpetinha | https://snipboard.io/x9mZ4j.jpg | 16:31 |
| hggdh | Porpetinha: this is not an expected query from Ubuntu | 16:32 |
| hggdh | Porpetinha: not as shown. What DE do you run? | 16:32 |
| Porpetinha | hggdh You know what process draw this window? | 16:32 |
| Porpetinha | gnome | 16:32 |
| pragmaticenigma | How did you start the process of installing google chrome? | 16:33 |
| Porpetinha | opened the .deb | 16:33 |
| pragmaticenigma | yaeh... don't do that | 16:33 |
| Porpetinha | Why? I should trust the OS right | 16:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | the .deb isn't configured correctly | 16:34 |
| Porpetinha | If I have to strip down every command to be sure, I doomed | 16:34 |
| pragmaticenigma | It's nothing that drastic | 16:35 |
| leftyfb | that prompt is completely normal and should be the users password | 16:36 |
| Porpetinha | I could imagine a dialog like that if I had integrated the install with MS AD, but that is not the case at all. | 16:36 |
| leftyfb | installing from the .deb from chrome's website is also fine | 16:36 |
| leftyfb | Porpetinha: grep $USER /etc/passwd | 16:36 |
| Porpetinha | Yeah, have done that before, no problems, but the thing is that that user doesnt exist leftyfb | 16:36 |
| leftyfb | does it say Administrator anywhere? | 16:36 |
| Porpetinha | root | 16:37 |
| leftyfb | Porpetinha: exit out of sudo root in your terminal | 16:37 |
| tomreyn | getent passwd Administrator | 16:37 |
| leftyfb | tomreyn: I'm looking for "Administrator" as the name, not the username | 16:38 |
| tomreyn | oh, good point. getent passwd | grep -i Administrator then | 16:38 |
| tomreyn | getent takes other sources into account in addition to /etc/passwd | 16:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | tomreyn: I'm not sure if Porpetinha new that was directed at them | 16:43 |
| tomreyn | maybe also grep -ri Administrator /etc/polkit-1/ in case it is hard wired in a policy. | 16:43 |
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: what i wrote was directed to you. | 16:43 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn both commands returns nothing | 16:44 |
| Porpetinha | getent and the grep one | 16:45 |
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: hmm, ok, this is puzzling. what is the name of the iso file you downloaded and installed ubuntu from? | 16:45 |
| Porpetinha | I installed from the mini.iso | 16:46 |
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: for which ubuntu release? is this unusual hardware? | 16:46 |
| pragmaticenigma | Porpetinha: 64 bit or 32 bit? | 16:46 |
| Porpetinha | I looking at the /etc/shadow to if I have set a root password, but I didn't | 16:46 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn this is a laptop, and it is 18.04 install | 16:47 |
| Porpetinha | 64bit | 16:47 |
| Porpetinha | But even if I had set a root password, the orange Administrator should read 'root' right? | 16:47 |
| tomreyn | no, it should show your user name rather, i would thnk | 16:48 |
| fdx_ | Porpetinha: can you get the command of the gksudo process? (like ps aux | grep gksudo ) | 16:48 |
| tomreyn | this is not gksudo, this is policykit | 16:49 |
| tomreyn | and indeed policykit knows of a user role named "Administrator" | 16:49 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn but then, this is even weirder, because this install was made in the early 2019, I used this machine a bit and never more.. it never showed the username in the auth window | 16:49 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn hmmm | 16:49 |
| === Comnenus_ is now known as Comnenus | ||
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: where did you download this mini.iso from? | 16:50 |
| tomreyn | that's ...if you remember | 16:50 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn I cant be sure, but probably from a local mirror, one that I found through the archive.br.ubuntu.org | 16:51 |
| Porpetinha | The thing is that the mini.iso don't have a shasum anymore, thats a thing I remember | 16:51 |
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: you mean that ubuntu doesn't public shasum's for mini.iso anymore? yes it does. | 16:53 |
| Porpetinha | It does?! Then, houston we have a problem, it is not showing up in the mirrors | 16:54 |
| Porpetinha | At least for my country(Brazil) | 16:54 |
| Porpetinha | I sure about this, because I have actually fiddle with the mirror for about a hour or so looking for the shasum | 16:54 |
| tomreyn | move a directory up | 16:54 |
| pragmaticenigma | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ | 16:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | I see them | 16:55 |
| Porpetinha | I pretty sure I wasnt able to find it, at that time | 16:56 |
| tomreyn | i'm not sure how to debug the "Administrator" thing, though. i'm sure some of the security team folks would know, but i don't want to bug them about it. | 16:57 |
| Porpetinha | I can see the files now, I guess it is too late now | 16:57 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn dont worry, I will look into it, in the worst case scenario i will backup the /home folder, clean the drive I give it a fresh install | 16:58 |
| tomreyn | i assume you reall yjust have set some non standard configuration which causes this to happen, and other than that all is fine. this is the most common explanation for unexplicable behaviour. | 16:58 |
| Porpetinha | Hey, this is Linux, the worst downtime is like half a hour to reinstall | 16:58 |
| Porpetinha | haha | 16:58 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn cool | 16:59 |
| Porpetinha | Thanks all | 16:59 |
| tomreyn | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit.8.html | 16:59 |
| tomreyn | see the first screenshot | 16:59 |
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: ^ | 17:00 |
| Porpetinha | I looking into the polkit | 17:01 |
| chimneys | what does it mean ports on ubuntu are closed by default | 17:02 |
| chimneys | iptables -S shows accept all by default | 17:02 |
| chimneys | -P INPUT ACCEPT | 17:02 |
| chimneys | -P FORWARD ACCEPT | 17:02 |
| chimneys | -P OUTPUT ACCEPT | 17:02 |
| tomreyn | chimneys: iptables would filter. "closed" would refer to the fact that nothing listens | 17:02 |
| tomreyn | !paste | chimneys | 17:02 |
| ubottu | chimneys: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 17:02 |
| tomreyn | please also provide the source when quoting statements you have questions about. | 17:03 |
| chimneys | so how will others ssh in my pc | 17:03 |
| chimneys | if everything is unfiltered | 17:04 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: do you want others ssh'ing into your pc? | 17:04 |
| chimneys | no | 17:04 |
| chimneys | so i want to know what is the mechanism | 17:04 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: ok, is your pc directly on the internet or is it behind a NAT'd router? | 17:04 |
| chimneys | i just use ubuntu defaults | 17:04 |
| subone | I previously had my backup internal drive 5gb NTFS working fine with fstab UUID ntfs defaults, but I had to reinstall everything. Installed Win 10, then same Ubuntu version 18.04, replaced same fstab, now I can't change or delete files on the drive. Tried changing unmounting and remounting with different options, but got error "disk contains an unclean file system..." but I didnt chnage anything on the drive as far as "windows shutting d | 17:04 |
| subone | own". I tried putting the fstab back to defaults, but error remains. WTH, any clues? | 17:04 |
| chimneys | there is a netgear router | 17:04 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: ok, do you have port forwarding on your router to route ssh traffic to your pc? | 17:05 |
| chimneys | i think port forwarding is off | 17:05 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: ok, do you even have an ssh server installed on your pc? | 17:05 |
| chimneys | ubuntu doesn't install ssh server by default | 17:05 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: ok, so what is the question again? | 17:05 |
| chimneys | as i said i am on default settings | 17:06 |
| tomreyn | unless you chose so during installation of e.g. ubuntu live server | 17:06 |
| chimneys | I mean if I was without router on the internet ... how would others remotely come into my pc | 17:06 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: unless you go through the process of installing ssh and setting up port forwarding, nobody is ssh'ing into your pc while on this network | 17:06 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: it's unlikely anyone could | 17:07 |
| chimneys | ok I will try that then to test ssh | 17:07 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: why are you testing? I don't understand your concerns here. | 17:07 |
| tomreyn | setting your desktop computer as 'exposed host' / 'DMZ' could also cause this. | 17:07 |
| tomreyn | (on your router) | 17:07 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: nobody is "getting into" your pc with a fresh install | 17:07 |
| chimneys | ubuntu is awesome huge commmunity and great support as well | 17:09 |
| TwistedBlizzard | Hi all, I would like to install Ubuntu Server 19.04 over PXE - I have a functioning PXE server set up but I can't find the netboot files for any server release after 18.04 | 17:09 |
| tomreyn | subone: "disk contains an unclean file system..." means that the ntfs needs a file system check run against it | 17:09 |
| subone | why, all i did was change mount options | 17:10 |
| subone | i was just using it | 17:10 |
| tomreyn | subone: this can only be properly done on windows using the chkdsk command. a partial implementation is available on linux as ntfsfix | 17:10 |
| leftyfb | TwistedBlizzard: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ first result on google for "ubuntu netboot" | 17:10 |
| subone | so changing fstab can screw up my disk? good to know... | 17:10 |
| tomreyn | subone: windows 10 won't shut down properly by defaultr. you need to change its configuration to have it unmount file systems properly. | 17:11 |
| TwistedBlizzard | leftyfb That's for the desktop release, right? | 17:11 |
| subone | this has nothing to do with shutting down i said, this was entirely done inside ubuntu | 17:11 |
| leftyfb | TwistedBlizzard: though for a server, I would highly recommend installing 18.04, not 19.04 | 17:11 |
| leftyfb | TwistedBlizzard: netboot is an ubuntu installer. You choose what gets installed. If you want a desktop environment, you can choose that. Or not. | 17:11 |
| tomreyn | subone: so the drive was not connected when you last ran windows? | 17:12 |
| subone | I suppose it is that there was the same error I just didnt see it because it is at boot... | 17:12 |
| subone | and it mounted as rw, that would explain it | 17:12 |
| subone | ok, do you have any link to how to configure windows not to bork my drives? | 17:13 |
| leftyfb | subone: you need to boot that drive in Windows, run chkdsk on it and reboot TWICE. That is the only way to clean it. | 17:13 |
| subone | ok, but then how to use this drive in Ubuntu. It was working fine with Win7 | 17:13 |
| leftyfb | subone: that will fix your issue. No need to worry about Windows unmounting it | 17:13 |
| leftyfb | subone: once you clean it like I mentioned above, you should be able to mount it the same way you were mounting it before without issue | 17:14 |
| subone | You're saying this is some fluke? Maybe my system got not shudown right? | 17:14 |
| chimneys | hey how do i use ubuntu as a router | 17:14 |
| leftyfb | subone: correct | 17:14 |
| chimneys | and not MY NETGEAR device | 17:14 |
| TwistedBlizzard | leftyfb Ah right, cheers! My 19.04 install won't boot properly so I'll give 18.04 a go | 17:14 |
| subone | ok, I'll try, I hate restarting :p | 17:14 |
| subone | ty | 17:14 |
| pragmaticenigma | TwistedBlizzard: 19.04 is no longer supported anyways | 17:15 |
| leftyfb | chimneys: that is not really a support question. There are plenty of online instructions on how to do so though. Though not recommended unless you have a specific need to. | 17:15 |
| chimneys | i want to learn ssh | 17:16 |
| rpifan | the dd sda method worked | 17:17 |
| rpifan | just had to select sda3 | 17:17 |
| TwistedBlizzard | pragmaticenigma I didn't realise, 18.04 it is :) | 17:20 |
| pragmaticenigma | TwistedBlizzard: And I also am finding it hard to locate the 19.10 mini.iso releases... though I'm sure they're out there somewhere | 17:21 |
| pragmaticenigma | TwistedBlizzard: 19.10 is available here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ | 17:22 |
| TwistedBlizzard | pragmaticenigma Thanks! | 17:23 |
| chimneys | can i start my scripts as root? | 17:24 |
| helo | anyone know what indicates whether a binary will use a host's certificates? e.g. linking to some dns library | 17:24 |
| isene | In updating from 18.10 to 19.10 (Dell XPS15) the graphics driver is consuming around 50% more battery. With Powertop (all Tunables tuned to Good), it says: " 10.5 W 28,7 pkts/s Device Network interface: wlp2s0 (ath10k_pci)" Is there any way I can reduce the battery consumption there (all other items in Powertop are low consumption stuff)? | 17:27 |
| tomreyn | isene: i have a feeling you brought this up before and were provided with suggestions. please sum up what you tried so far, and what the effects were, maybe on a pastebin if it's longer. | 17:33 |
| tomreyn | also what you chose not to try and why. | 17:34 |
| tomreyn | Dell XPS 15 is a model series, which can combine very different models. if you'd like to specify the precise system this can be useful. journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:' can help identify it. | 17:36 |
| tomreyn | helo: i'm unable to understand your question. can you provide more details, also how this relates to ubuntu? | 17:47 |
| isene | tomreyn: Yes, I did bring it up - and I followed every tip and link provided. I did reduce the power consumption from around 18W to average 9.5W - but I am still not down to around 6W which used to be the average on 18.10. The only thing left to squeeze seems to be the graphics driver. The culprit that boosted it to 18 in the first place was the default usage of Nvidia graphics card rather than the Intel. | 17:48 |
| isene | Having solved that, now it is time to attack the driver for the Intel card. | 17:48 |
| isene | ' journalctl -b | grep "DMI:" ' = "DMI: Dell Inc. XPS 15 9560/05FFDN, BIOS 1.2.2 03/21/2017" | 17:50 |
| tomreyn | isene: being an intel utility, i'd assume powertop should have good suggestions for reducing the integrated GPUs power consumption? | 17:50 |
| === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius | ||
| Porpetinha | Hey guys just wanted to give a quick feedback here on the Polkit Auth Window asking for 'Administrator', that Administrator refers to the access group, this is a polkit thing. | 17:51 |
| isene | tomreyn: Well, every Tunable has been turned to Good, so it doesn't seem to be more to do within Powertop. But is there an option to swap to another module/different version of driver or something? | 17:52 |
| Porpetinha | My issue got resolved after I added the user to the sudo group, not sure I it failed now and not in after the install. My a backport had changed the behavior of polkit. | 17:52 |
| tomreyn | isene: sure, you can try a different kernel, such as a mainline kernel, and compare the results. | 17:52 |
| tomreyn | !mainline | isene | 17:52 |
| ubottu | isene: The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds | 17:52 |
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: thanks for the feedback, glad you worked it out. | 17:53 |
| Porpetinha | tomreyn hey thank you, you were the only guy here able to say to me what program was creating the dialog in first place! | 17:54 |
| Porpetinha | Thanks again | 17:54 |
| tomreyn | isene: your bios version is so old it's not even on dell's changelog. have you considered upgrading that? | 17:54 |
| tomreyn | Porpetinha: :) you're welcome. | 17:55 |
| tomreyn | isene: https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukbsdt1/product-support/product/xps-15-9560-laptop/drivers (scroll down to the expandable "version" section for the version log. | 17:56 |
| tomreyn | isene: also available on ubuntu: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.dell.uefi34578c72.firmware how to use: https://fwupd.org/lvfs/docs/users | 18:02 |
| isene | Cool, thanks for this. | 18:04 |
| infandum | fdx_: I used lftp instead, worked much better, thanks | 18:11 |
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| sudoforge | does anybody know, offhand, what sort of dark wizardry canonical is doing to get that pretty UI for the LUKS passphrase prompt? | 18:16 |
| pragmaticenigma | sudoforge: Are you asking about on boot? | 18:33 |
| helo | tomreyn: more of a broader linux system question, just about how to tell if a program uses a hosts's /etc/ssl/certs/, or if it has baked in certificates | 18:34 |
| helo | it's not linked to openssl/gnutls, and it's not reading any /etc/ssl files under strace, so probably it has baked in certs | 18:35 |
| tomreyn | helo: please turn to ##linux for broader linux system questions. if you have support questions about a specific ubuntu installation or application from ubuntu's supported repositories, here's the right place. | 18:38 |
| mfilipe | how could I configure hexchat to use the system tray? | 18:39 |
| mfilipe | how could I configure hexchat to use the system tray? I'm using ubuntu-18.04 | 18:40 |
| chimneys | https://bpaste.net/SQ4Q | 18:48 |
| chimneys | why is jupyter not getting installed | 18:48 |
| tomreyn | why are you running ubuntu 19.04 when it reaches end of life in two days? | 18:49 |
| chimneys | tomreyn: does it has to do with that, ? --fix-missing what is the whole cmd in context of jupyter | 18:51 |
| tomreyn | chimneys: that's not why your package installation is failing, but also a very relevant question, i'd say. | 18:51 |
| tomreyn | your packages fail to install due to network problems. | 18:52 |
| Stoot | I had a VM disk issue and now I get this on an apt-get update E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01-vendor-ubuntu:1: Extra junk at end of file | 18:52 |
| chimneys | my network seems fine | 18:52 |
| tomreyn | 103.97.84.254:80/tcp is generally reachable, and does http. | 18:52 |
| Stoot | now this file contents look a little bit strange to me | 18:52 |
| tomreyn | chimneys: your system reports that attemptingto connect to this ip address and port failed, though. | 18:52 |
| chimneys | strange | 18:53 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: how did you fix the "VM disk issue"? | 18:53 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: also, did you run a file system check afterwards? | 18:53 |
| Stoot | tomreyn removed files from the disk where the VM was on... disk was NOT full | 18:54 |
| chimneys | http://103.97.84.254/tcp it says 404 not found but without tcp it works and opens nginx page | 18:54 |
| Stoot | tomreyn no yet | 18:54 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: so what was the 'disk issue' then? | 18:54 |
| tomreyn | chimneys: what i posted above was not meant to be a http url | 18:54 |
| Stoot | tomreyn no disk issue anymore, weird files it seems | 18:54 |
| Stoot | only for apt btw | 18:55 |
| chimneys | ok so i can open that page then , so you see my network is fine | 18:55 |
| chimneys | the problem is with apt | 18:55 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: so you won't tell, ok. your file system is probably corrupted, you may need to reinstall. | 18:55 |
| Stoot | tomreyn I can't tell more, sorry | 18:56 |
| Stoot | can I reinstall APT itself ? | 18:56 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: you said you noticed a "vm disk issue", but you also say you can't tell how you noticed it, or how you think you solved it. that's not enough to help you. | 18:57 |
| Stoot | tomreyn oh, VM paused | 18:57 |
| Stoot | could be mem to disk issue | 18:57 |
| tomreyn | chimneys: so when you sudo "apt update" now you get the exact same output, or does it differ? | 18:57 |
| chimneys | ok i did fix-missing it installed | 18:58 |
| Stoot | can someone rar /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/* for me ? | 18:58 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: how will you know that other files are not also corrupt? | 18:59 |
| Stoot | tomreyn I can see later on, but first I would like to check those... I think it happened on a apt-get command, that's why... the rest runs fine | 18:59 |
| chimneys | ok so i was installing cl-jupyter, now how do i download this git source code https://github.com/fredokun/cl-jupyter/blob/master/install-cl-jupyter.py | 19:00 |
| lol768_ | I've created a launcher for an application, and added it to the dash on the LHS. When I open said app, the WM doesn't understand that the app I have open is the same as the app I have a launcher for. Is there a way to fix this@/ | 19:00 |
| lol768_ | https://i.imgur.com/AcJs0qx.png | 19:01 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: i don't know which versio of ubuntu you're running, but an 18.04 desktop system i have here has only this line in this file: Acquire::Changelogs::AlwaysOnline "true"; | 19:01 |
| Stoot | tomreyn which is "this file" ? are you cable to rar the whoole folder for me ? 18.04 is fine! | 19:02 |
| tomreyn | chimneys: probably using the "git" software. | 19:02 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: the one from the error message you provided: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01-vendor-ubuntu | 19:02 |
| Stoot | tomreyn yeah my contents are different there so if you are willing that would be great! | 19:03 |
| === overfiend is now known as PoPpiLLs | ||
| tomreyn | Stoot: so, i won't, but you can download the package providing the configuration files that are broken and reinstall them. i think the general approach is flawed unless you manually edited said files, though. | 19:05 |
| Stoot | tomreyn why won't you ? | 19:05 |
| Stoot | sounds like a nobrainer | 19:06 |
| tomreyn | Stoot: sorry, can't help you there, good luck. | 19:07 |
| EriC^ | lol768_: some guy was asking the other day and solved it himself, i remember he used something in the Exec= line --WM-CTRL something, sorry cant be of more help | 19:07 |
| Stoot | tomreyn strange, not that you helped that much :) | 19:07 |
| EriC^ | lol768_: this seems like the solution https://askubuntu.com/questions/403766/duplicate-icons-for-manually-created-gnome-launcher-items | 19:08 |
| lol768_ | Thanks EriC^! | 19:09 |
| EriC^ | no problem lol768_ | 19:09 |
| === lol768_ is now known as lol768 | ||
| lol768 | I feel like this has gotten harder since the Gnome 2 days... :P | 19:09 |
| EriC^ | lol768: ubuntu's definitely getting more complicated and stuff, i'm sitting on 16.04 myself til its dead :D | 19:10 |
| === JakeSays_ is now known as JakeSays | ||
| fyber | Sometimes when I'm playing GNOME Minesweeper (Ubuntu 19.10) my gnome-shell freezes and then crashes a few seconds later. | 19:23 |
| fyber | When it starts back I get a "do you want to send a bug report" - which I say yes to, but I'd like to look at those logs myself | 19:23 |
| fyber | So where would those logs be stored? | 19:24 |
| === LabMonkey is now known as Mechanismus | ||
| tomreyn | fyber: /var/crash and the location that's returned by this, run on a terminal: echo https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id) | 19:32 |
| tomreyn | fyber: if you know of a way to reproduce this problem, try disabling your gnome shell extensions and see if you still can. also use the "journalctl" command on a terminal or the "(Gnome) Logs" desktop application to review your log files after it hapepned. | 19:34 |
| fyber | Hmm... I have the shell-themes extension, that might be it. | 19:35 |
| fyber | and unfortunately I can't reliably reproduce it | 19:36 |
| fyber | just happens sometimes when I'm playing Mines | 19:36 |
| tomreyn | sounds like a mine field | 19:37 |
| pendarsoheil | i'm using IPMI to mount a preseed iso. I have d-i finish-install/reboot_in_progress note set and now the machine keeps reinstalling the iso over and over again | 19:38 |
| pendarsoheil | is there a way for me to mount once, install once, reboot and that's it? | 19:38 |
| tomreyn | pendarsoheil: did you change the system firmwares' boot order to boot off the usb attached virtual optical drive? | 19:40 |
| pendarsoheil | tomreyn, ah, gotcha | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | maybe try not dfoing that but use a one-time boot menu override to boot off it. | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | also note we have #ubuntu-server for server questions | 19:42 |
| hegemoOn | well it seems all my troubles with external hard drive was related to usb port of my mother board. | 19:42 |
| fyber | dang, I managed to crash it again with the extension disabled | 19:42 |
| hegemoOn | usb2 is not enough to power those external hd | 19:43 |
| hegemoOn | using back usb3 ports are fine | 19:43 |
| fyber | something about accessing a value after freeing it | 19:43 |
| fyber | next CVE out of gnome mines? | 19:43 |
| Teikoman_fi | Is there a way to not show the resolved domain for ip when using arp -a or -e and only leave the ip part? Having an annoying issue where -e flag cuts the whole address before even getting to ip part and -a shows the whole url "static.<some weird provider ip>.clients.your-server.de(<actual ip address>)" and I don't even know how the domain thing | 19:43 |
| Teikoman_fi | appeared as my netplan only defines the ipv4/ipv6 addresses. Not sure if this is more server or general question :S | 19:43 |
| blb4393 | is kernel version of 20.04 already fixed? Should it be 5.4? | 19:45 |
| tomreyn | Teikoman_fi: use "ip neigh" instead | 19:46 |
| tomreyn | !20.04 | blb4393 | 19:47 |
| ubottu | blb4393: Ubuntu 20.04 (Focal Fossa) will be the 32nd release of Ubuntu, scheduled for April 2020 ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule ). It will be a long-term support release. Join #ubuntu+1 for support and questions. | 19:47 |
| tomreyn | note the last sentence | 19:47 |
| mguy | Up to version 20? I feel old. | 19:48 |
| Teikoman_fi | Minor edit to the question: <some weird provider ip> apparently is the real ip but reversed for whatever reason... | 19:49 |
| Nomad_ | Ok, I've a REALLY weird one here. I have 2 hosts and 1 server ( Dell storage manager appliance ). IF on Host 1 ( Ubuntu 18.04 ) I telnet or nc -v to <host:22> I do not get an SSH banner. If from Host 2 ( Parrot Linux ), I do the exact same command, exact same Host:port, I do get a banner. This is not an ubuntu problem I can think of, but it's the Ubuntu client and No one has a clue why it would do | 19:49 |
| mguy | Teikoman_fi: that's how reverse dns works | 19:49 |
| Nomad_ | this. Anyone seen anything similar? | 19:49 |
| Teikoman_fi | tomreyn: woah thanks didn't even know about that, that's nice yeah but sadly would need the mac address too as I have kvm setup that uses the subnet and would need to link those 2 and kvm cmd does show the mac for vm | 19:51 |
| mguy | Nomad_: do you have different ~/.ssh/config files? | 19:52 |
| Nomad_ | mguy: no, but also, I'm only using telnet and nc to connect to the server, not even ssh | 19:53 |
| tomreyn | Teikoman_fi: "ip neigh" does print MAC addresses for me. does it not on your system? | 19:53 |
| sarnold | Nomad_: does 'ip route get $ip' show you the result you expect? | 19:54 |
| neyder | Hi, whoever is in hexchat, how do you make to load first nickserv before joining #ubuntu channel, I allways got kicked to #ubuntu-unregged and I have to manually join to here | 19:55 |
| ducasse | neyder: use sasl authentication | 19:55 |
| ducasse | !sasl | 19:55 |
| isene | tomreyn: I tried to update the firmware of my XPS15 and got this when running ' sudo fwupdmgr update ' : http://dpaste.com/0E7357S | 19:55 |
| Teikoman_fi | tomreyn: sorry bout that, completely missed it as it got buried under ton of other ips and ipv6s | 19:55 |
| sarnold | neyder: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl | 19:55 |
| * isene is slightly hessitant to reboot now... | 19:55 | |
| Nomad_ | sarnold: yes, I can get to it and connect. everything is great except the missing banner from the server | 19:56 |
| sarnold | Nomad_: whaaaaa? that's strange | 19:56 |
| Teikoman_fi | Hetzner being weird on some things like even the kvm setup needed some special olympics to get even working plus netplan required mac address link if using bridge :D | 19:56 |
| Nomad_ | sarnold: yeah. 25 years I've never seen anything like this before | 19:56 |
| neyder | ducasse, sarnold : :-O sasl, i was using plain old nickserv auth, TY | 19:57 |
| Teikoman_fi | now only thing that remains is can I safely change from networkd to NetworkManager so the new virt-manager(Cockpit) could get access to the network settings or does it need some special care too(really don't want to be forced to order that kvm device from datacenter or reinstalling whole OS as even slight mistake kills all connections for good) | 19:58 |
| sarnold | Nomad_: I'd certainly expect ssh to fail if the banner isn't there, and if it isn't there for nc, I don't know why it *would* be there for ssh, unless you';ve got an ~/.ssh/config ProxyCommand or similar .. | 19:58 |
| Nomad_ | sarnold: that's the point. if host 1 connects with telnet or netcat, no banner. if Host 2 connects with telnet or netget, I do get a banner | 20:02 |
| Nomad_ | this is something with sshd | 20:02 |
| genii | Maybe check server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config to see if PrintMotd is commented out or set explicitly to no | 20:04 |
| sarnold | printmotd is unrelated to the banner | 20:04 |
| genii | .. this is a variable which can also be set in clients config in their /etc/ssh/ssh_config | 20:04 |
| Nomad_ | it's an appliance from Dell, can't see the sshd_config, looking at the config, there's no option to change anything like that | 20:09 |
| Nomad_ | genii: but yea, that variable is a whole on/off, not "on for certain networks, off for others" | 20:09 |
| tomreyn | isene: hmm, i'm not sure what to suggest, i guess you can file a bug against the package in ubuntu, then another one against the upstream fwupd / lvfs project on github. | 20:17 |
| tomreyn | and then link those. | 20:18 |
| tomreyn | isene: do you have /sys tough? | 20:18 |
| ErVito | hi guys | 20:24 |
| isene | tomreyn: Yes - and all the way down to "block/nvme0n1" which points to "/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/0000:04:00.0/nvme/nvme0/nvme0n1/" and contains a symlink "device" which oddly enough points one level up ("device -> ../../nvme0") - and that may be the culprit here | 20:24 |
| sudoforge | > does anybody know, offhand, what sort of dark wizardry canonical is doing to get that pretty UI for the LUKS passphrase prompt? | 20:24 |
| sudoforge | ^ pragmaticenigma asked if i meant "on boot" (and has subsequently disconnected). yes, i mean the on-boot luks passphrase entry screen. | 20:25 |
| sarnold | sudoforge: I believe it's a plymouth password prompt | 20:25 |
| sudoforge | sarnold: that appears to be correct -- thanks; i don't run ubuntu personally and am not in front of my work machine to dig through it. | 20:26 |
| sarnold | sudoforge: this may help give you some threads to pull on :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1810154 | 20:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1810154 in plymouth (Ubuntu Eoan) "ply_boot_client_process_incoming_replies: Assertion `request_node != NULL' failed" [High,Fix released] | 20:28 |
| ErVito | I'm having problems with Teamviewer, trying to launch it manually it shows up the frame of the window and then crash. Looking at the log it seems that fails to create some qt components... Did anyone experience this problem? | 20:29 |
| sudoforge | sarnold: i'm not having any issues with it, rather, i like the custom theming and was not immediately familiar with tooling to accomplish the same | 20:29 |
| sarnold | sudoforge: aha, cool, hopefully the plymouth theming is easier to understand than the internals. hehe | 20:30 |
| sudoforge | sarnold: i'll let you know in approximately six years, when i might have the time to work on theming my boot :P | 20:30 |
| sarnold | sudoforge: heh :( I'm familiar with that ... | 20:30 |
| Sbur3 | I have a question based on the following : Newer kernel available │ | 20:37 |
| Sbur3 | │ │ | 20:37 |
| Sbur3 | │ The currently running kernel version is 5.3.0-23-lowlatency which is not │ | 20:37 |
| Sbur3 | │ the expected kernel version 5.3.0-26-lowlatency. │ | 20:37 |
| Sbur3 | │ │ | 20:37 |
| Sbur3 | │ Restarting the system to load the new kernel will not be handled │ | 20:37 |
| Sbur3 | │ automatically, so you should consider rebooting. | 20:37 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | !paste | Sbur3 | 20:38 |
| ubottu | Sbur3: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 20:38 |
| Sbur3 | Can someone tell me what to do with this ... ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nWKry2ycGV/ | 20:39 |
| enyc | Sbur3: in any case your ansmer is fpreety mich in what you have been shown | 20:39 |
| enyc | Sbur3: reboot into the new kernel =) | 20:39 |
| sarnold | Sbur3: consider rebooting | 20:39 |
| enyc | Sbur3: then you can do whatever it was you were doing i thitk | 20:39 |
| Sbur3 | enyc: sarnold: How do I reboot into the new kernel? | 20:40 |
| sarnold | Sbur3: shutdown -r now | 20:40 |
| enyc | Sbur3: in almasty all cases, you just reboot, and the newest kernel is loaded by default | 20:40 |
| bencc1 | I have SSD with Windows installed and two HDD connected | 20:40 |
| enyc | Sbur3: "uname -a" will tell you what kernel you are runnig at any point, btw | 20:40 |
| bencc1 | Ubuntu Live CD only recognize the SSD and one HDD. What can I do to access the third drive? | 20:41 |
| leftyfb | Sbur3: why are you running the -lowlatency kernel? | 20:41 |
| enyc | Sbur3: its' "good practice" to make sure you can get into the grub-boot-menu and be able to select older kernels, but not something you need to generally | 20:41 |
| enyc | bencc1: difficult to say... is it jut the 3rd drive has no partitions/unformatted? | 20:41 |
| enyc | bencc1: "sudo gparted" get partition editor up, you might be able to see all 3 drives in there? | 20:41 |
| TwistedBlizzard | Hi all, I've just done a clean install of Ubuntu server and I don't get a login prompt on boot. I can use Ctrl+F1 to access TTL 1. | 20:42 |
| === Disconsented is now known as Disco | ||
| enyc | TwistedBlizzard: ctrl+alt+f1 | 20:43 |
| ioria | bencc1, if you boot in live mode, you can open terminal and paste 'sudo parted -l' (or do whatever you want) | 20:43 |
| Sbur3 | enyc: leftyfb: I didn't intend do that. The menu gives me the option to boot off of a lowlatency, but I choose rather the option to boot off of Ubuntu 19.10 | 20:43 |
| TwistedBlizzard | enyc That's what I meant, sorry | 20:43 |
| bencc1 | enyc: thanks I'll try | 20:43 |
| bencc1 | ioria: thanks. I'll try parted | 20:43 |
| ioria | ok | 20:43 |
| Sbur3 | leftyfb: enyc: Brb? | 20:44 |
| TwistedBlizzard | enyc Is a prompt at boot not standard though? | 20:44 |
| enyc | TwistedBlizzard: i would expect so, i'm not familir with current ubuntu-server however | 20:45 |
| enyc | TwistedBlizzard: certainly try different connsoles ctrl+alth+f2 and so on | 20:45 |
| pragmaticenigma | TwistedBlizzard: what ISO did you use to install with? | 20:45 |
| TwistedBlizzard | pragmaticenigma I installed with netboot.tar.gz from a PXE server | 20:46 |
| enyc | TwistedBlizzard: coo, not tried that approach before! | 20:47 |
| tomreyn | isene: it's a bug in the firmware updater either way. please consider reporting it. i'm not sure you can safely work aorund this. | 20:47 |
| altendky | i am trying to 'repair' my grub. tech replaced my laptop main board today and the linux side isn't showing up as a boot option. picking the nvme1n1 where i thought i installed grub doesn't work either. windows boots fine... of course. i'm booted to a 19.10 liveusb right now. i figured i'd try to get boot-repair but i can't find the python package for it. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tFrvg39KJC/ thanks for any help | 20:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | TwistedBlizzard: I'm not familiar with that approach either. However, there might be better assistance in the #ubuntu-server channel. | 20:48 |
| pragmaticenigma | altendky: are all partitions still visible on the drive? | 20:49 |
| TwistedBlizzard | pragmaticenigma Cheers, I didn't realise that existed | 20:49 |
| altendky | pragmaticenigma: i spread lvm across the two drives after reducing the size of windows. that was a month or two ago. the first drive shows an lvm and some windows partitions. the second drive shows an lvm parition. nothing jumps out to me as bad there | 20:51 |
| altendky | pragmaticenigma: looking in gparted | 20:51 |
| pragmaticenigma | altendky: Okay, wanted to verify that the tech didn't try to be helpful and remove your Ubuntu partition | 20:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | altendky: is it possible that the tech used windows to reset anything? possible had windows run it's repair utility to make sure the BIOS/Firmware will see Windows? | 20:54 |
| altendky | pragmaticenigma: heh, nope. just silly lenovo thinking that replacing a display and a main board would fix an oled+touch-panel design issue. | 20:54 |
| altendky | pragmaticenigma: sure, they ran some windows stuff and had to configure the new main board and bios updates etc... | 20:55 |
| pragmaticenigma | !mbr | altendky: Not sure if this will help, but might get you down the right path | 20:58 |
| ubottu | altendky: Not sure if this will help, but might get you down the right path: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 20:58 |
| altendky | pragmaticenigma: i was just assuming that this would be a straightforward grub reinstall, been dealing with dual boot for... awhile. but i figured i'd try to do the easy boot-repair option rather than manually going through lvm setup etc. but then the seemingly available python package isn't available. | 20:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | altendky: I believe you're on the right track with the grub reinstall. I haven't done a dual boot in a very long time. I wish I could more. Stick around and ask in a bit... someone else may have some ideas | 21:01 |
| altendky | pragmaticenigma: i started on the second link but hoped that given this is likely a common issue and the suggested tool wouldn't install... that maybe people new the extra workaround to get the full repos available in a livecd. it seems like they are not. the 'official' boot-repair disk didn't boot right on my laptop. | 21:01 |
| altendky | pragmaticenigma: thanks. in the mean time i may just fall back to the manual instructions. | 21:01 |
| pragmaticenigma | sounds good, wish you luck | 21:01 |
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| ircExile | altendky I'm trying to attempt a dual boot as well | 21:59 |
| altendky | ircExile: i'm heading out in a few minutes, but are you having issues at some point? | 22:00 |
| altendky | ircExile: the manual instructions worked for my issue including lvm, but missed mounting /boot/efi from the ... for me it was /dev/nvme0n1p1 | 22:01 |
| ircExile | partition1 is ext4 linux ...mint but ubunut based | 22:02 |
| ircExile | not sure if it also uses grub2 | 22:02 |
| ircExile | I made a extended partition and created ntfs partition hoping windows will install on that | 22:03 |
| ircExile | but I know it will likely try to override grub on partition1? | 22:03 |
| ircExile | and just a warning, all the signs are pointing to windows being woefully purposefully, completely broken security. | 22:04 |
| altendky | ircExile: modern windows likes to make/have several partitions. i never did learn the details on that. | 22:04 |
| ircExile | I used msdos instead of gpt | 22:05 |
| ircExile | msdos partitions can't be more than 2048GiB according to gparted | 22:05 |
| altendky | ircExile: it should work ok if you gpt and uefi | 22:05 |
| ircExile | and you can only have 4 primary partitions so if I have P1 30GB P2 30GB P3 30GB on a 2TB drive | 22:06 |
| ircExile | or 3 | 22:06 |
| altendky | ircExile: but sure, windows likes to tromple. i understood back with the mbr and there being only one but not sure how it works with the uefi now | 22:06 |
| ircExile | I can only make P4 2TB ish while missing like ~900gb | 22:06 |
| ircExile | unless you use extended partitions so you can make "logical" instead of "primary" but still limited by 2048GB | 22:07 |
| altendky | ircExile: my current setup i made but resizing the oem windows partition down. then making an lvm partition (two actually, one on each drive), then putting the root/boot/home/tmp inside lvm | 22:08 |
| altendky | *made by | 22:08 |
| zmagii | does anyone have an issue with vim and python | 22:08 |
| altendky | zmagii: do you? | 22:08 |
| zmagii | yes | 22:08 |
| zmagii | i'm on ubuntu studio and the studio guys says it's just a regular ubuntu issue | 22:08 |
| zmagii | i'm using vim 8.2 and it has -python and -python3 | 22:09 |
| zmagii | meaning it's not compiled with python or something like that right | 22:09 |
| ircExile | how do I restore grub? | 22:09 |
| altendky | ircExile: i would consider using modern stuff. it's not actually that new. | 22:10 |
| altendky | ircExile: i'm looking for the page i just used | 22:11 |
| ircExile | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub ? | 22:11 |
| altendky | ircExile: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot | 22:11 |
| ircExile | i'm using msdos partitions because it needs to be compatible with something hopefully until they update that thing. | 22:13 |
| altendky | zmagii: what isn't working? | 22:13 |
| altendky | ircExile: oh :[ | 22:13 |
| altendky | ircExile: anyways, you don't do all the listed steps, just the relevant ones. so you'd skip 4. for example | 22:14 |
| tomreyn | !mint | ircExile | 22:14 |
| ubottu | ircExile: The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle) | 22:14 |
| ircExile | (emoticon) 8S | 22:18 |
| altendky | zmagii: I have to go, but if you can describe something that isn't working for you then perhaps someone can help. | 22:20 |
| zmagii | altendky: vim on ubuntu studio 19 (and maybe ubuntu 19) seems to not have python support | 22:23 |
| ircExile | thanks i guess altendky | 22:23 |
| zmagii | if you print the version it shows -python -python3 instead of +python +python3 | 22:23 |
| tomreyn | there is no "ubuntu (studio) 19" | 22:24 |
| tomreyn | !YY.MM | 22:24 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu version numbers are: YY.MM (YY=release year,MM=release month). Each year sees two releases, so just specifying YY is imprecise. See also https://www.ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle | 22:24 |
| zmagii | tomreyn: 19.04 | 22:26 |
| tomreyn | https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/01/ubuntu-studio-19-04-eol-in-one-week/ | 22:26 |
| tomreyn | then it's time to upgrade. | 22:26 |
| zmagii | does one do that with --dist-upgrade | 22:27 |
| altendky | zmagii: did you install the packages? | 22:28 |
| zmagii | altendky: i installed all my plugins, but vim itself needs to be "compiled with python support" | 22:28 |
| zmagii | or thats how #vim users describe it | 22:29 |
| zmagii | in irc | 22:29 |
| altendky | zmagii: it would help to start the relevant plug-in package names and how you installed them. I don't think you ever said if you used apt. But then again I'm really going afk for a few more and I'm also just a passerby here. | 22:31 |
| Yatekii | hey folks, how can I prevent ubuntu from doing bogus with power saving? | 22:31 |
| Yatekii | when my battery is at 60% ubuntu shows a red battery and starts throttling to 800mhz | 22:32 |
| Yatekii | this still drains the battery in 40 minutes to 0% but makes my system completely unusable. | 22:32 |
| Yatekii | it's an officially ubtuntu supported dell XPS13" of 2018, so no old device or something | 22:32 |
| Yatekii | this is riddiculous ... | 22:32 |
| tomreyn | Yatekii: which ubuntu release and desktop (if non-default) are you using? | 22:33 |
| Yatekii | tomreyn: 19.10 and standard unity desktop (it's nome now tho I think) | 22:33 |
| Yatekii | *gnome | 22:33 |
| tomreyn | ubuntu uses gnome-shell + mutter since 16.10 i think, so it's that unless you installed unity | 22:34 |
| tomreyn | Yatekii: what's the output of running this on a terminal? journalctl -b | grep 'DMI:' | 22:35 |
| tomreyn | also, is this system fully updated, rebooted into the latest kernel version? | 22:35 |
| Yatekii | tomreyn: you sure? I was pretty sure unity was removed later, but doesn't really matter | 22:37 |
| Yatekii | Jan 04 01:09:07 auraya kernel: DMI: Dell Inc. XPS 13 9370/0F6P3V, BIOS 1.11.1 07/11/2019 | 22:38 |
| Yatekii | tomreyn: I think it should be fully updated and rebooted | 22:38 |
| Yatekii | uname -a says: Linux auraya 5.3.0-24-generic #26-Ubuntu SMP Thu Nov 14 01:33:18 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 22:40 |
| tomreyn | Yatekii: unity wasn't removed, but became a commnuity supported project, it's still installable. the default changed (if not in 16.10 then still sometime after 16.04 and before 18.04) | 22:41 |
| Yatekii | I am aware :) | 22:41 |
| Yatekii | but it's not default anymore :) | 22:41 |
| tomreyn | did you check the bios is current? | 22:42 |
| Yatekii | yeah updated it when I installed the fresh ubuntu like 1month ago | 22:43 |
| tomreyn | https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk/en/ukbsdt1/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=n270w&oscode=wt64a&productcode=xps-13-9370-laptop | 22:43 |
| Yatekii | thats for windows only, but I installed a bios update around that time from the ubuntu store | 22:43 |
| Yatekii | (dell delivers them over that) | 22:44 |
| tomreyn | you can use freedos | 22:45 |
| tomreyn | or lvfs / fwupd as you already did, if the latest one is available there, yet | 22:46 |
| jonascj | A legacy question, if I install ubuntu 12.04 (obtain an old image from somewhere) can I still install software as though it were year 2012, or will the repos have gone offline? | 22:46 |
| tomreyn | sorry jonascj, we don't support EOL releases here | 22:46 |
| tomreyn | !esm | 22:47 |
| ubottu | Canonical offers paid extended security support for end-of-life LTS releases through the Ubuntu Advantage program. For more information, see https://ubuntu.com/esm . ESM is not an Ubuntu community offering; please direct questions about it to Canonical directly. | 22:47 |
| tomreyn | but i assume this is no longer available for 12.04 | 22:47 |
| jonascj | I wouldn't consider my request as support request - just a question someone using ubuntu might know. I don't expect a solution offered if the answer is a likely no :) | 22:48 |
| jonascj | *know the answer to | 22:48 |
| tomreyn | well this is a support channel (see /topic), you could try #ubuntu-oftopic or ##linux instead. | 22:48 |
| tomreyn | add an f to oftopic | 22:48 |
| jonascj | I see, thank you. | 22:49 |
| Yatekii | tomreyn: I am certain I have the newest fw upgrade | 22:49 |
| tomreyn | Yatekii: you have 1.11.1, the link i pointed to has 1.12.1 | 22:50 |
| Yatekii | btw the perfromance of this laptop is absolute garbage, but it's way worse with ubuntu than with gentoo. and not by a slight margin. it's 2h vs 5h battery life and throttling at 60% vs throttling at 10% ... (not to start a distro war, but ubtuntu is really off) | 22:50 |
| Yatekii | tomreyn: I see | 22:50 |
| tomreyn | you can use powertop or tlp to improve battery life. for a more polished release, use LTS | 22:51 |
| tomreyn | ...releases | 22:51 |
| Yatekii | well battery life wouln't be a problem if it didn't constantly throttle ... | 22:52 |
| ircExile | jonascj: old software can be downloaded | 22:53 |
| tomreyn | Yatekii: i don't see anything immediately related here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu?field.searchtext=XPS+13+9370 - maybe file a bug report... | 22:54 |
| tomreyn | !bug | Yatekii | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Yatekii: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. | 22:54 |
| jonascj | ircExile yes, php 5.4 might just be installable on ubuntu 16 or 18 (not that I am happy that I need php 5.4 mind you) | 22:54 |
| ircExile | from what I can tell, some urls get changed when they stop supporting old software but you can download the old one I believe | 22:55 |
| sparr | Is there a way to keep most of my programs from closing when gnome-shell crashes? | 22:57 |
| tomreyn | Yatekii: according to https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.dell.uefi7ceaf7a8.firmware this latest firmware upgrade is also available via LVFS / FWUPD so you could install it through "Ubuntu Software" or using the command line as explained at https://fwupd.org/lvfs/docs/users | 22:57 |
| Yatekii | tomreyn: well there is no updates in ubuntu software ;) that's why I assumed I have the newest bios | 22:58 |
| tomreyn | sparr: i don't think so. it's best to prevent gnome-shell from crashing in the first place. which is usually best achieved by being conservative about gnmoe-shell-extensions. | 22:58 |
| Yatekii | guess I'll update through windows then | 22:59 |
| tomreyn | Yatekii: hmm, well i don't really know how the release mechanism works, i suspect it doesn't release to everyone immediately to prevent massively bricked devices. | 23:00 |
| Yatekii | that would be far more competence than I expect from either company, no offense | 23:00 |
| sparr | tomreyn: $ gsettings get org.gnome.shell enabled-extensions | 23:01 |
| sparr | @as [] | 23:01 |
| sparr | I send a crash report when it happens, but I worry it's not helpful since when I click Show Details it can't load any details other than the process name | 23:02 |
| tomreyn | sparr: that's a short list. do you know what triggers it, though? and which ubuntu release you're running, which other possibly relevant customizations you may have made? | 23:02 |
| tomreyn | sparr: can you access the location that's returned by this command, run on a terminal: echo https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/$(sudo cat /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id) | 23:03 |
| sparr | it most often happens when I start typing in the file browse dialog (such as File > Open in various applications), although not every time I do that, and it may happen other times | 23:04 |
| tomreyn | sparr: and then look though those errors reported from your system and copy the url of the last threee which is about this gnome-shell crash? | 23:04 |
| sparr | I can see the list, but can't see the reports because I'm not in the right group | 23:05 |
| sparr | but here are two: https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/89b39b4a-38b3-11ea-b8ae-fa163e102db1 https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/9d568826-30e1-11ea-a775-fa163ee63de6 | 23:06 |
| sparr | I think both of those are the crash in question | 23:06 |
| sparr | if it's potentially relevant, I also have multiple crash logs for seahorse (password manager?) which crashes about once per day | 23:07 |
| sparr | I am running Ubuntu 19.10, and don't think I've made many significant customizations. I am planning to ditch gnome and do a lot of shell and GUI customizations, but wanted to try out the stock experience for a few months first | 23:07 |
| tomreyn | sparr: do you install updates regularly? | 23:09 |
| sparr | weekly I think | 23:09 |
| tomreyn | ah its actually up to date | 23:09 |
| sparr | security updates automatically, other updates weekly except when I decline for some specific reason | 23:10 |
| sparr | I can try to trigger the crash again if there's something I could do in advance to make the logs more verbose or helpful? | 23:10 |
| tomreyn | yes, both your gnome-shell and mutter-common are current | 23:10 |
| tomreyn | debugging gnome-shell is above my pay grade, i'm afraid, but i bet someone has reported this bug before. | 23:11 |
| tomreyn | bug 1736664 | 23:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1736664 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGTRAP in _g_log_abort() from g_log_default_handler() from default_log_handler() from g_logv() from g_log() from gjs_callback_closure() from ffi_closure_unix64_inner() [any error message logged from JavaScript will look like this]" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1736664 | 23:12 |
| tomreyn | that's the one, you can subscribe to it to follow it getting fixed, and to provide more info | 23:12 |
| sparr | neat, thanks | 23:13 |
| sparr | I don't think I had noticed all the apps in question were javascript based, but that doesn't surprise me given how many electron apps I have | 23:13 |
| tomreyn | you can also click on "This bug affects 2 people. Does this bug affect you? " | 23:13 |
| tomreyn | "If you have such a repeatable crash then please open a new bug in this way by running: ubuntu-bug gnome-shell" | 23:14 |
| sparr | relatedly... any idea why the crash report tool can't show me details? when I do "Show Details" before submitting the report, it gives me the process name in a dialog that I expect to then fill up with a stack trace, but I just get a spinning icon that never loads further. | 23:14 |
| sparr | run that then reproduce the crash? | 23:14 |
| tomreyn | i think this behaviour of the bug reporting utility in 19.10 is a separate bug which has been reported | 23:14 |
| sparr | ok, thanks | 23:15 |
| tomreyn | "ubuntu-bug gnome-shell" won't reproduce the crash, but you can run it to have the bug reporter gather relevant logs form your system and make them available for debugging. ideally you'll do so after reproducing the crash, but you can also just do it now and add more info later. | 23:16 |
| tomreyn | you should definitely add the links for the crash reports you posted above | 23:16 |
| tomreyn | sparr: ^ | 23:16 |
| sparr | ok | 23:17 |
| tomreyn | it'd also be good to mention you're not using any gnome-shell-extensions and which graphical third-party software you may be using | 23:20 |
| tomreyn | sparr: ^ | 23:20 |
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| tomreyn | sparr: there's no problem report for the seahorse problem, yet. i could create one for you if you'd like. | 23:23 |
| tomreyn | sparr: oh i totally missed that you're running a 4.15 OEM kernel on 19.10, i don't think that's meant to be. | 23:26 |
| sparr | started with oem dell install of ubuntu | 23:28 |
| sparr | upgraded 18.04 to 19.04 to 19.10, not sure which steps came with new kernels | 23:28 |
| tomreyn | sparr: right, i'm not sure you're supposed to upgrade between no LTS releases on OEM installations. but then I also don't know whether there are any means to prevent you from doing so. | 23:29 |
| sparr | good to know | 23:30 |
| tomreyn | linux-oem is version 4.15.0.1066.70 on ubutnu 18.04 LTS and is still the same version on ubuntu 19.10 | 23:31 |
| sparr | my kingdom for a way to reproduce all of dell's configuration and software on top of a non-OEM installation | 23:31 |
| TJ- | sparr: diff the kernel config/install images | 23:31 |
| sparr | sadly it's not just that | 23:34 |
| sparr | there are so many little things | 23:34 |
| TJ- | sparr: that's how I've always done it, reveals 100% of shipped differences on virgin installs (ignoring installer-time user provided data) | 23:35 |
| sparr | wait, the install images? | 23:36 |
| sparr | like, the filesystem? | 23:36 |
| sparr | afaik there are changes to udev rules, among many other things. how would I detect that on my freshly-factory-restored laptop, in a way I could reproduce later onto an installed-from-official-ubuntu-media OS? | 23:37 |
| TJ- | sparr: right. I start off with the kernel configs (/boot/config-*) then I compare the same kernel source-code versions between mainline/ubuntu/OEM to detect patches. Then I list all installed packages and their package versions to detect OEM customisations there. Then, I compare the dpkg MD5SUMs of each of those packages to determine which FILES are different | 23:39 |
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| sparr | hmm, you're assuming all the changes were made in the packages? | 23:40 |
| sparr | it had never occurred to me to assume that | 23:40 |
| sparr | next time I have to factory restore, I'll give that a try | 23:41 |
| TJ- | sparr: that's right... but using debsums/dpkg --verify you can also detect installed vs package-shipped differences... that often points out changes to package config files for example | 23:42 |
| sparr | thanks for the pointers | 23:43 |
| sparr | for now I'm stuck with what I have, though :/ | 23:43 |
| sparr | I probably need to arrange to upgrade my kernel | 23:43 |
| sparr | tomreyn: I'm not even sure where to start on the seahorse problem, including that I didn't even know the program was called seahorse until today when you sent me to the crash log list | 23:44 |
| veebox | im using ubuntu 16.04, nvidia driver 340, and gts450 card. i just got a gtx560 can i simply powerdown and switch card? or i should reinstall driver after | 23:45 |
| tomreyn | sparr: my solution for the seahorse problems is: sudo apt purge seahorse | 23:47 |
| tomreyn | there are too many to try to fight it IMO. | 23:48 |
| tomreyn | sparr: if you don't strictly need the patches that are in the -oem kernel then I do indeed recommend you switch to the -generic kernel instead. you could also just try it and undo it if it doesn't work for some reason. | 23:50 |
| TJ- | This Dell project READMME.md is instructive... especially the last 3 paragraphs https://github.com/dell/dell-recovery | 23:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | veebox: Have you made a back up of your files? | 23:56 |
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