[06:34] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:35] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[06:35] <duflu> (#firstpost)
[06:37] <oSoMoN> hey duflu :)
[07:00] <didrocks> good morning
[07:02] <jibel> Bonjour à tous
[07:03] <duflu> Morning didrocks and jibel
[07:04] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks & jibel
[07:08] <didrocks> hey jibel, duflu, oSoMoN
[07:58] <pieq> Hi everyone
[07:59] <didrocks> salut pieq
[08:00] <pieq> I installed focal this morning on a testing laptop and I noticed the install process UX has changed a little
[08:01] <jibel> pieq, bonjour
[08:01] <pieq> and the option to encrypt the partition is hidden now... so by default, if the user clicks Next, the system is installed without any kind of disk encryption
[08:01] <jibel> pieq, the partitioning page?
[08:01] <pieq> it's alreayd like this in 18.04, but the option to encrypt is visible from the screen, so I figure it's more "findable" by users
[08:01] <jibel> pieq, yes, it's on purpose and it's one of the concerrn that have been raised with this change
[08:01] <pieq> jibel, the page where you're asked if you want to "Erase disk and install Ubuntu"
[08:01] <pieq> OK
[08:02] <pieq> I reckon there are many different installation scenarios for users
[08:02] <pieq> but for someone installing Ubuntu on a laptop without any other partitions, it makes sense to have the disk encryption option available "easily" (if not by default)
[08:04] <jibel> pieq, we probably need to move back everything from a advanced dialog to the main page but then it adds lot of data to the page especially when you have a system already installed
[08:05] <pieq> jibel, yes, that's the kind of tricky thing. I was testing on a laptop that had no dual boot or weird stuff
[08:05] <pieq> I could spend more time investigating this, but I don't have much time now
[08:16] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers! happy friday
[08:29] <didrocks> happy Friday seb128
[08:29] <seb128> lut didrocks, happy friday! how are you?
[08:31] <duflu> Morning seb128. How goes?
[08:32] <seb128> hey duflu, okish, I've a cold/I'm coughing for a few days seems a bit worth today, I feel a bit like if I had fever with my skin by sensitive
[08:33] <seb128> I'm going to try to get it easy, hopefully I'm feeling better to fly to CapeTown tomorrow
[08:33] <duflu> :(
[08:33] <seb128> during my previous trip there I had over 39°C fever and that was no fun at all
[08:33] <seb128> hopefully not a second time
[08:33] <seb128> duflu, how is it going for you?
[08:34] <seb128> ready for the we? :)
[08:34] <duflu> seb128, going OK though gnome-shell is always more complex than you think...
[08:34] <duflu> The weekend will come when I'm ready
[08:40] <didrocks> seb128: I’m fine, thanks, and you?
[08:41] <seb128> didrocks, cf backlog :)
[08:57] <didrocks> good luck! :)
[09:01] <Wimpress> Morning o/
[09:02] <Wimpress> Sorry to hear you feeling under the weather seb128 :-(
[09:02] <seb128> hey Wimpress! how are you?
[09:02] <seb128> Wimpress, I wil take it easy today, hopefully I feel better by tomorrow
[09:02] <Wimpress> seb128: Yes, best to rest up.
[09:03] <Wimpress> All good here.
[09:03] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:03] <Laney> yeah I'm alright
[09:04] <Wimpress> duflu: I noticed the CSD windows and non-CSD window have a different size window shadow.
[09:04] <Laney> are you allergic to Cape Town seb128?
[09:04] <duflu> Morning Wimpress and Laney
[09:04] <Wimpress> A curiosity that caught me out while making screenshots for the sideshow last night.
[09:04] <seb128> Laney, I might be?
[09:05] <Wimpress> Do you know why this might be duflu?
[09:05] <duflu> Wimpress, interesting. Though I have argued for a long time that CSD should get server side shadows, I think I lost that argument. That means it is expected -- different code rendering it
[09:05] <duflu> You would need to modify all toolkits to match your theme
[09:05] <Wimpress> Yeah. I can't see why the inconsistency would be required, from a technical point of view.
[09:06] <duflu> Which code exactly I don't know
[09:06] <duflu> This is partly why I argued for years we shouldn't be in this situation
[09:07] <Wimpress> I wrote a script to resize, cature and scale windows at exactly the right sizes for including in the installer slideshow.
[09:07] <duflu> I feel shadows should not be seen as part of the window, but an artefact of the desktop
[09:07] <Wimpress> That difference between CSD and non-CSD had me scratching my head for a few minutes, until a realised what was going on.
[09:07] <Laney> moin duflu
[09:11] <seb128> brb, going back to my desk now
[09:16] <didrocks> good morning Wimpress !
[09:19] <duflu> Wimpress, hopefully you're only talking about non-Gnome apps. We should be able to make Gnome ones consistent between CSD (Xwayland) and SSD (Xorg)
[09:20] <duflu> I mean CSD (Wayland)
[09:25] <Wimpress> Yeah, I notice the difference with Shotwell, Firefox and LibreOffice.
[09:37] <duflu> Wimpress, if apps are running via X11, including Xwayland, then we have fairly central control over the shadow rendering
[09:38] <Wimpress> I am running on X11.
[09:38] <duflu> And if you configure them to use system titlebars etc, not app-level CSD
[09:40] <Wimpress> When you say configure, you mean a programmatic change to not use CSD?
[09:40] <duflu> Yes, like it's a setting in Chrome
[09:40] <Wimpress> Right.
[09:40] <duflu> Maybe it is in Firefox?
[09:40] <Wimpress> It is. But bugs.
[09:40] <Wimpress> Curved window corners grow ears.
[09:46] <seb128> the arm builders seem unhappy, between that and ffi I think I just give up for this week and see if things automagically sort out during the w.e
[09:47] <seb128> also wth with i386 failing to install build-essential:amd64 :/
[09:48] <duflu> Wimpress, I'm already confusing myself so if you encounter the problem in release please remember to open a bug
[09:49] <oSoMoN> Wimpress, is this bug #1828728 (for firefox) ?
[09:51] <duflu> Yes I think that's it
[11:49] <Wimpress> didrocks: I've prepared a branch for ubiquity-slideshow that implements the new Yaru design and updates screenshots for 20.04.
[11:50] <Wimpress> I've proposed for merging, but not update debian/changelog. Should I?
[12:02] <didrocks> Wimpress: yes. feel free to update the changelog (but keep it UNRELEASED instead of focal'
[12:45] <Wimpress> OK
[15:18] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers!
[15:18] <didrocks> good morning hellsworth!
[15:20] <hellsworth> hi there didrocks ! happy friday :)
[15:21] <didrocks> thx! you too
[15:22] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:23] <oSoMoN> I need a core dev for a trivial code review: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/software-properties/+git/software-properties/+merge/377770
[15:27] <hellsworth> looks good oSoMoN !
[15:58] <didrocks> oSoMoN: merged and pushed. Do you think that worth a release or we will have other fixes later on?
[15:59] <oSoMoN> didrocks, thanks! there'll definitely be other changes before feature freeze, so no need to do a release now
[16:00] <didrocks> ack :)
[16:08] <hellsworth> oSoMoN: there's a chromium snap question in #snapcraft that maybe you know the answer to: "Hi, I had the cromium snap on my other computer. I reinstalled all my programms on a new computer. I'm trying to get my bookmarks and settings to the chromium on my new computer. Befor snap it was something like .config/chromium or .local/share/chromium (can't remeber exatcly). What do I have to copy
[16:08] <hellsworth> to my new computer to get all my chromium settings?"
[16:11] <oSoMoN> hellsworth, thanks, I answered the question there
[16:27] <hellsworth> thanks oSoMoN !
[17:27] <oSoMoN> I'm calling it a week, have a good week-end everyone!
[18:06] <Wimpress> hellsworth: o/
[21:03] <hellsworth> hi Wimpress :)
[21:03] <hellsworth> sorry i was out for an appt and lunch