| lotuspsychje_ | good morning | 03:07 |
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| oerheks | on this day in 2008, Sun Microsystems announced it was acquiring MySQL for $1B | 03:53 |
| oerheks | 15 months later .. | 03:53 |
| lotuspsychje | troll gang hour | 08:50 |
| lotuspsychje | lets ask random unsolvable stuff for 5min | 08:50 |
| lotuspsychje | funny | 08:50 |
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| leftyfb | what is this all about? "<Hanumaan> [Kiran Kumar Telukunta, IndiaYouth] hurt_locker," | 13:43 |
| pragmaticenigma | dunno.. starting to get annoying | 13:44 |
| pragmaticenigma | great move... let's support 16.04 longer with someone that's goign to find more broken packages to complain about | 14:21 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: 16.04 is till supported and for another year. We should still help them | 14:22 |
| lotuspsychje | !eol | 14:22 |
| ubot5 | End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 14:22 |
| lotuspsychje | april 2021 | 14:23 |
| leftyfb | that's over a year away | 14:23 |
| leftyfb | I still run 16.04 on my servers and support thousands of robots running it as well | 14:23 |
| pragmaticenigma | Yeah... let's help someone limp along a broken install that they just did. When all this could be fixed and we won't hear about the next thing they find not to their liking because the version is 6 years old | 14:24 |
| lotuspsychje | maybe we will get lucky and when xenial goes eol, support will grow again | 14:24 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: you're only basing that on a segfault from 1 package. Nothing else has shown they have a broken install | 14:25 |
| pragmaticenigma | leftyfb: no... I'm basing it off of "I just installed 16.04" which I don't understand why anyone would do unless they had a specific purpose | 14:26 |
| leftyfb | oh. .. hm, I missed that | 14:26 |
| leftyfb | well that's silly | 14:26 |
| pragmaticenigma | server, I get it, developer targetting specific development software... I get it... installing it watch movies... huh? | 14:26 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: you're right then | 14:27 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: xenial will also have 3y ESM extend right on your !eol edit | 14:35 |
| leftyfb | hey TJ- , any idea how to fix /dev/random taking a long time to get going within initramfs? | 14:35 |
| TJ- | leftyfb: generate more entropy :) | 14:36 |
| TJ- | or use urandom | 14:36 |
| leftyfb | TJ-: how? Without touching the keyboard? (no mouse) | 14:36 |
| leftyfb | TJ-: I tried telling curl to use urandom but it didn't seem to help | 14:36 |
| pragmaticenigma | Doesn't some of the entropy get built out of the network traffic? | 14:39 |
| leftyfb | you would think | 14:39 |
| leftyfb | I tried writing a couple gig to /dev/null but it didn't really help | 14:40 |
| pragmaticenigma | I found the perfect article... stuck behind a paywall... thanks redhat | 14:41 |
| TJ- | what is trying to read /dev/random ? | 14:41 |
| TJ- | if you mean curl itself is hanging because it is trying to derive random data for negotiating a TLS ephermal key, then use "curl --random-file /dev/unrandom ..." | 14:42 |
| pragmaticenigma | this article recommends haveged to help stir the pot: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-add-more-entropy-to-improve-cryptographic-randomness-on-linux/ | 14:42 |
| leftyfb | TJ-: As soon as I boot, I need to read from an https source, so SSL, which needs entropy | 14:43 |
| TJ- | or even "/dev/urandom" :) | 14:43 |
| TJ- | see "man curl" and "--random-file" | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | TJ-: I already tried that, didn't make a difference | 14:43 |
| TJ- | leftyfb: hmmm what is curl linked to? maybe libssl is the cause? | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: already tried that as well | 14:43 |
| pragmaticenigma | suppose it doesn't start early enough in the boot process? | 14:44 |
| leftyfb | TJ-: I have curl and openssl pulled in via hooks | 14:44 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: I'm running all this in init-bottom , which I think is as close as I can get | 14:45 |
| TJ- | leftyfb: hmmm... I *think* there is an entropy stirring tool but can't recall what it is | 14:45 |
| leftyfb | I tried haveged, but also didn't make much of a difference | 14:45 |
| leftyfb | and rngd | 14:45 |
| TJ- | what arch is this on? | 14:46 |
| leftyfb | ubuntu 18.04 amd64 | 14:46 |
| TJ- | leftyfb: have you seen 5.1.5 and lins from that? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.html | 14:47 |
| leftyfb | there's no systemd in initramfs | 14:48 |
| TJ- | I was referring to "If you read this after upgrading a remote system to buster, ping the system on the network continuously as this adds entropy to the randomness pool and the system will eventually be reachable by ssh again. " | 14:48 |
| TJ- | and the lin to wiki etc | 14:49 |
| TJ- | grrr, s/lin/link/ | 14:49 |
| ice9 | how much performance loss between using the discrete card as primary GPU and using PRIME? | 15:09 |
| lotuspsychje | ice9: wich graphics card are we talking about exactly? | 15:09 |
| ice9 | lotuspsychje, nvidia | 15:17 |
| ice9 | and prop driver | 15:17 |
| lotuspsychje | thats the brand yes, do you know the exact chipset of your card? | 15:18 |
| ice9 | lotuspsychje, 940mx | 15:20 |
| ice9 | geforce | 15:20 |
| lotuspsychje | ice9: so your card is optimus capable and can be switched between powersaving mode and performance mode, what do you want to know exactly? | 15:22 |
| ice9 | lotuspsychje, what do you mean by powersaving mode, (using the igpu)? | 15:23 |
| lotuspsychje | ice9: powersaving uses intel and performance mode nvidia | 15:23 |
| ice9 | lotuspsychje, great, that's works fine on windows, but on linux you have to either use nvidia the primary GPU for ALL output or use PRIME to switch for it when needed | 15:24 |
| ice9 | my question is that, is there any performance loss when using switching with prime? | 15:24 |
| lotuspsychje | ice9: switching what? | 15:25 |
| lotuspsychje | ice9: how about you run nvidia-settings and tell wich mode you have active? | 15:27 |
| lotuspsychje | ice9: 'if' your question means switching from powersaving to performance and vice versa, obviously its a big gain or loss | 15:34 |
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