[00:00] aikidouke: hmm, some of these probably don't exist in the main archive.. pianohat for example isn't on my rpi3b+'s indexes (eoan) [00:00] Why must I needlessly torture myself === BrianG61UK_ is now known as BrianG61UK [00:00] This is hilarious. Now to track down an XP iso [00:00] Database maintenance [00:00] X-D [00:01] universe maybe? I usually do ubuntu sources/ppa's on the desktop so will poke around a bit on this... [00:02] Patrick_NI: bugger, the links at the bottom of https://rufus.ie/ for XP and vista are dead.. [00:02] Internet archive to the rescue [00:02] badsektur: snap is a new packaging format that bundles together dependencies, to make it easier to support new software on old operatnig systems, provide some sandboxing, etc [00:02] yay [00:03] this looks promising; [00:03] Get:6 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu eoan/partner arm64 Packages [548 B] [00:04] http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/eoan/partner/binary-arm64/ ~500 bytes long .. [00:04] don't get your hopes up :) [00:05] I have very small hopes ;) it doesnt take much to make them fly and doesn't hurt too bad when they crash and burn lol [00:05] lol [00:06] thanks for having a look sarnold, I'm off to play. have a good one [00:10] what kind of updates are done on each lts point? http://i.imgur.com/nnSUfwL.png [00:11] madprops: click onthe 'changes' links to find out in detail [00:20] Is badblocks' non-destructive read-write test any less accurate than the normal destructive read-write test? [00:21] Or is it just slower because it has to first read, then write, then read again? [00:32] k_sze: that's a very good question; I've always assumed read-only is less reliable, as it feels entirely plausible to me that a specific sector's existing data may be readable, but unable to write into that sector again.. [00:37] Offtopic: Can someone answer what I know will be a simple windows batch copy question? To keep it on topic, I can go to PM [01:46] ,v kde-plasma-desktop === zbenjamin is now known as Guest82516 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin === ben_r_ is now known as ben_r [05:15] some days ago I had to boot Kubuntu 18.04.3 recovery from my installation media. I tried the menu option to start networking. I write to you with tears in my eyes as it wouldn't work as there's no /etc/init.d/networking . What package do I need to (re)install to have that file there? === subfj_ is now known as subfj [07:28] is the fingerprint reader in 19 compatible with any more devices than fingerprint-gui in 18? [07:30] no, see the complete list in https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui and https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html [07:30] same IDs i guess, up2ddate [07:31] thanks. === subfj_ is now known as subfj [08:44] hi, I understand that python-dotenv can load envvars from `.env`. Is there any way to have a `.env` file inside a python package module? [08:46] or is the user unable to both configure `.env` and run the script as a module, at the same time? [08:54] hmm, imported variables are not transferable between module files [10:57] hi all, I picked up a new machine and what previously worked in my fstab no longer works. I suspect that it's getting to mount commands before network is connected so my nfs drives aren't mounting. My fstab line is: 192.168.0.21:/volume1/Media /mnt/Synology/Volume1 nfs auto,nofail,noatime,nolock,intr,tcp,actimeo=1800 0 0 [10:57] suggestions on what I can do to fix? [11:07] add _netdev to the list of options [11:07] explained in man mount [11:11] where do people usually save docker container configs? /opt/docker/configs/appname or something like that? [11:12] geirha: no impact, sorry should have said I had already tried that [11:44] Hello! I am looking for sleek, easy to use and good GUI application for system and home forled backuping with excluding options for steam folders. Thank you! [11:49] Is it normal that I can't see my additional address subnet at all when using `networkctl status show --all`? I can see the main address(which was defined to be "on-link: true") but for some reason it doesn't show the second "to:" address part which was set to "scope: link". yet the VMs under that subnet work fine [11:58] chmykh: isn't Ubuntu packaged with something these days that is used for backing up? [11:58] I don't know what "sleek" looking means, that's super subjective [12:01] jmadero, I am on ubuntu-based distro, elementaryos. [12:15] Hiyas all [12:22] Hello is there a way to start a screen session and wait for it to shutdown and after it stopped the script resumes? [12:55] is this a beginners channel or not [12:56] xbfrog, how can we help you ? [12:56] thanks :) [12:57] am in a beginners channel? i don't wanna ask a question that is beneath answer [12:58] xbfrog, yes, you are [12:58] ok great [12:59] i'm not sure how to charactise my quesiton it needs discription in my unseemely way [12:59] i have an issue with the app launcher appearing on my second monitor [13:00] cand seem to put it on the main screen [13:00] cant* [13:00] i dunno what to do [13:00] clarify: [13:01] i have some visual issues and need a slightly larger screen [13:01] but when i change this even to the next step things go wonky [13:03] either the screen is too large for apps or the apps banners are too small to read [13:03] x the other way: apps to large for the screen [13:03] xbfrog, what release of ubuntu and desktop in use ? [13:04] ubuntu 18.04 kplasma desktop [13:05] LTS [13:05] i'm not a command line user,wish i was but not [13:06] xbfrog, on gnome you can open Settings > Dock > (and/or Display) and adjust your setup; you should find the equivalent on kde [13:07] i have, but it seems there is a confusion to me which to set first [13:08] if i scale the display the apps are too large for the screen [13:09] keep in mind i had an external display in the micx [13:09] mix* [13:10] had, oof,have [13:11] it helps when i try to find fixes, which haven't been many [13:13] xbfrog, you can try also to re-set the Fonts [13:13] i have [13:13] it seems there is a step process [13:14] i have done what you said but they seem to overlap/confuse one another [13:14] xbfrog, y maybe the kubuntu or kde channels know more [13:14] to me at least [13:14] ok thanks for the try [13:15] i'm glad ppl like this channel are here :) thanks [13:15] ok [13:16] i'm finding the channels i join are not beginner channels, they seem to ignore simple questions [13:17] but thanks [13:17] xbfrog, what reolution and scale are you using [13:17] resolution [13:17] oops === littlebit1 is now known as littlebit [13:50] Hi all. I am using Ubuntu 19.04 with gnome-shell. My bluetooth suddenly stopped working. How do I troubleshoot it? I am not getting any output with bluetoothctl [13:56] sazawal: Support for 19.04 ends soon [13:56] jeremy31, Yes I am aware of that. I will be installing the next LTS 20.04 [13:58] sazawal, any errors in dmesg? [13:58] sazawal: post URL from terminal for> (lsusb; rfkill list; dmesg | egrep -i 'blue|firm') | nc termbin.com 9999 === sorin-mihai__ is now known as sorin-mihai [13:59] sorin-mihai__, There is this error in dmesg Bluetooth: hci0: unexpected event for opcode 0xfc2f [14:00] jeremy31, https://termbin.com/3qht [14:05] sazawal: All I can find are reports that say that error doesn't affect the bluetooth function [14:07] jeremy31, I see. I have tried rfkill, bluetoothctl and the gnome-control-center. Doesn't work with any of these and they don't show any errors. [14:09] I am logging two activities on terminal: one of them a serial port via minicom, otherone is a remote device with ssh connection. I'd appreciate to have the time stamp of each time the terminal goes into a new line, does anyone know what tool I can use to get all the timestamps per terminal activity? [14:10] sazawal: does bluetoothctl report no controller found? [14:10] jeremy31, No, it doesn't give a response until I kill it with Ctrl+c [14:12] sazawal: See if booting into an older kernel helps. Another thing would be to shut down and do a cold boot [14:13] jeremy31, I just did systemctl start bluetooth.service and now it turned on. Don't know why the service was not running already. I have restarted the system 3 times and still it was suspended. [14:14] Angs, which shell you're using? change the prompt in the shell config, resource the config and should be enough to get the time at prompt return after the command ends [14:15] sorin-mihai, I am using gnome terminal [14:16] Angs, it shouldn't matter which terminal, it depends what shell you're using in the remote systems. i'd consider the one over minicom to also be remote, since it's not exactly localhost [14:17] I found that minicom has an options for to enable the timestamp, the ssh program is a binary file I couldn't find how to get timestamp per terminal activity [14:18] I mean I run a binary file over ssh (other end also has ubuntu) [14:19] Angs, that's exactly where the prompt comes in. i guess you're using bash as shell on the remote (unless you changed it, that should be it)? [14:20] Angs, https://bneijt.nl/blog/post/add-a-timestamp-to-your-bash-prompt/ [14:20] no I am using the default options [14:21] I did exactly "export PS1="\t [\u@\h \W]\\$ \[$(tput sgr0)\]"" it outputs the timestamp when I press enter [14:21] but when I run the binary, it just shows the timestamp at the time I press enter, but it doesn't show the timestamp for the printf s that the binary outputs [14:25] Angs, yeah, static timestamp at the return of the prompt is what PS1 does, since it's the only moment it's being refreshed. another way would be to use powerline for bash, you'd have to install and configure powerline and test it before running the binary [14:26] Angs, if ssh in the remote server and then run the binary, then you need to configure powerline in the remote server, otherwise, if you get the output in the local system, then you need to configure powerline in the local system [14:26] ok, I will google more about it, thank you very much [14:50] Does Ubuntu backports clash with Kubuntu backports? [14:51] Is it ok to use them at the same time? [14:57] H3dn1ng, i thought kubuntu is just having a different default interface and some small differences, but still using the main repositories [15:06] is it possible to install a new distro without having to reinstall all my applications? [15:23] sorin-mihai: There is an official ubuntu backports but also a semi-official ppa for kubuntu backports [16:35] gambl0re: you usually wipe the filesystem when you install a new distro [16:35] gambl0re: if you don't do that you end up with an unholy mess [16:37] interesting experiment [16:41] feel free to try it, oerheks [17:58] why does a generic game controller work fine with supertuxcart while a ps4 controller won't? [18:05] eelstrebor: ubuntu version? connecting method, usb/BT ? [18:08] 18.04.3 , bluetooth connection [18:10] eelstrebor: from what i read, steam has settings for ps4 controllers, but on ubuntu you might need to github ds4drv to make a proper connection with BT [18:14] eelstrebor: over usb cable your controller get recognized out of the box on 18.04? [18:17] lotuspsychje, yep [18:17] eelstrebor: allrighty, try at your own risk, we dont officially support this https://github.com/chrippa/ds4drv [18:19] eelstrebor: are you using gnome's stock BT or bluez/blueman? [18:24] lotuspsychje, don't know [18:25] i'm having trouble installing ds4drv with "pip" or "python" [18:25] ds4drv doesn't appear to be inn the ubuntu repository [18:25] eelstrebor: thats what i just told you, not officially supported [18:26] looks like i have bluez installed [18:27] eelstrebor: here's the most relevant bug i found about it: bug #1511855 [18:27] bug 1511855 in linux (Ubuntu) " Some Sony Dualshock 4 controllers do not work in kernel 3.15+" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1511855 [18:28] lotuspsychje, maybe that's the problem since i'm using kernel 5.x [18:29] eelstrebor: bug says kernel 4.5 fixxed [18:30] i suppose i could lower myself to that kernel level (at least to see if it works) [18:31] it really sucks having to go through so many controllers to find one that works - gets a little expensive [18:39] hello [19:28] eelstrebor: wich kernel are you on currently === BrianG61UK__ is now known as BrianG61UK [19:40] lotuspsychje, 5.4.12 [19:43] eelstrebor: thats not bionics kernel [19:52] how can I setup a serial login shell in ubuntu? [19:52] this tutorial seems to be deprecated for ubuntu 18.04 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto [19:55] seveneleven, maybe the part about upstart; check if this help : http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/serial-console.html [19:56] trying that, thanks [19:57] ok [20:01] hey guys whats the lightest web browser one can use? [20:02] !info links2 | rhoks one of them [20:02] rhoks one of them: links2 (source: links2): Web browser running in both graphics and text mode. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.19-2 (eoan), package size 2948 kB, installed size 5357 kB [20:03] is it good for youtube and stuff [20:04] rhoks, i don't think so [20:04] anyone use xombrero before? [20:06] sooo [20:06] * sethh_89 test [20:07] rhoks, there no light web browsers [20:08] I need to give this laptop back to the old man like right now [20:08] rhoks, the specs ? [20:09] I think I'll just go as generic and as safe as possible and install either chrome or chromium and install adblock plus and tell him to not use more then 3 or 4 tabs [20:09] ioria, its laptop from 2010 or 2011 [20:09] rhoks, the specs ? [20:09] with about 3.5GB RAM from what I can tel [20:09] rhoks, the cpu ? [20:10] I forgot how to get cpu info ioria [20:10] rhoks, lscpu [20:10] rhoks, lscpu | grep 'Model name' [20:10] AMD E-450 APU with Radeon (tm) HD Graphics [20:11] CPU MHz: 823.605 [20:11] CPU max MHz: 1650,0000 [20:11] rhoks, low, but ff should work [20:11] ioria [20:12] would it better the better option than chrome or chromium ioria [20:13] rhoks, peobably, you can try midori from snap ... but now midori is different [20:13] I asked this earlier today on #ubuntu-server as well but didn't get anything. I'm trying to setup ubuntu to require either a google authenticator or yubikey 2fa when ssh is established. Does this require two different PAM modules? Can I enable both modules, but require a user to use one or the other? That way, if one is lost, the other method can still be used? [20:14] rhoks: It's a subjective question, what one person cosiders to be better may not be what you or the owner of the machine will think. With that said, most of the mainstream web browsers available do allow tweaking for better support of older harder. You might have to do a little research to find out how to manager their configurations. [20:16] i remember uzbl, it was great (apart the everyday crashes ) [20:16] :) [20:16] rhoks, I would avoid looking at non-mainstream browsers, as there is no way to know if they're properly patched and secured against the most recent attack vectors. Especially a machine that you will not have access to when you return it to it's owner. It would be better to stay closer to what is commonly used. [20:17] yeah [20:17] plus I don't have time to research what you suggest so much. [20:17] I will just tell him to not use too many tabs and tbh I even doubt he does. [20:18] jayjo: #ubuntu-server is the best place to ask that question, however it is the weekend and usually activity in that channel is much quieter. You might want to wait for a week day and try to ask between the hours of 0900 Eastern Time and 1700 Eastern Time [20:19] rhoks: Just because you give the machine back doesn't mean you can't still research ;-) [20:20] hehe :P [20:20] yeah its been with me a while I tried to update win7 so much but at the end found out Microsoft is ending support this year (already) as of 14th of January [20:21] even if that wasn't so the laptop was far too slow and buggy and laggy with windows7 [20:21] it needed a lighter system and now it has one in xubuntu pragmaticenigma ioria :) [20:21] Thank you folks. [20:22] rhoks, yeah, xubuntu is ok [20:22] even though the fan is working apparently as hard as it did when win7 was there [20:22] I can feel the difference in speed though [20:23] rhoks, the xfce session should be lighter, and you can remove autostart applications [20:27] Done. [20:27] I'll just tell the old man not to use more than 3 or 4 tabs and it should be fine. [20:27] thanks guys [20:28] no problem [20:37] rhoks, A note on the fans... if no has opened that unit up in 9-10 years... it's probably clogged with dust and debris... would be a good idea to open it and clean out the dust [20:40] Yep. Compressed air is your friend. [20:53] When setting up a new system, I understand the benefits of separate /boot and /home partitions. What are the benefits of /var and /tmp? [20:57] myuser, for a home user, there isn't any benefit [20:59] myuser: those are some out dated practices. on my home machines, I only partition /home into it's own area. I don't recommend a /boot partition, as kernel updates can fill up that partition quickly if not properly managed. [21:00] "/var/log" contains a bunch of logs file. so if something goes south, it won't fill your / .. [21:02] pragmaticenigma: Thanks. [21:02] chamar: Is that the same reasoning for /tmp? [21:03] tmp is a special filesytem (tmpfs) that is supposed to be only used for temporary file. The files are actually store in RAM / swap. [21:04] chamar, that is not correct [21:04] hum. at least on Fedora? now I'm confused. [21:04] (booting ubuntu) [21:06] I retract what I said. @pragmaticenigma is right. [21:07] "/tmp" is a path where applications can generate files that are temporary, it's considered volitile as on boot the folder will be cleared out. Similar to the comment about /var/log filling up a disk with entries, the same can happen in the "/tmp" path. So some users prefer to partition it, to make sure it doesn't get too big [21:09] myuser, in a typical home user setting. There is no real need to do much partitioning. The advisment on partitions is more appropriate where the system would be used in a server role. [21:09] geez. I took for granted that /tmp was always a tmpfs .. well.. never too late to learn I guess. Thanks for the hint @pragmaticenigma [21:10] chamar, It could the case for some distributions. But I've not seen it implemented that way in Ubuntu [21:10] pragmaticenigma: Are these files only removed on boot. I pretty much run it like a server 24/7. [21:11] myuser, most programs automatically remove their temporary files. I run my machine all the time, the folder rarely sees more than a few files in it, and they're actively being used by Firefox or other applications I presently have running. [21:12] on a server it is indeed more of a consideration though, as they are rarely rebooted and not all daemons are so well-behaved :) [21:12] (or user are not well-behaved) .... [21:12] pragmaticenigma: Do logs ever get purged? [21:13] myuser, Ubuntu uses an application called logrotate, that automatically handles that [21:13] do any of you setup disk quotas to check on that sort of thing? [21:13] myuser, not for a home machine [21:14] fair enough [21:15] myuser, partitioning can be a good thing and a bad thing. it's a good thing if you regularly are going to monitor usage and resize partitions or clean up after messy programs regularly [21:16] it becomes a bad thing when you don't constantly monitor all the usage and a partition fille up, and causes issues elsewhere in the system. That is why Ubuntu's default partitioning scheme for Desktop doesn't partition anything by default. [21:16] how big are you / paritions for home machines? [21:20] myuser, mine take up the full disk size [21:20] Anyone here using Redshift? It stopped working for me today, after package updates (including new kernel) came in. [21:22] adrian_1908, have you rebooted since the new kernal was installed? [21:22] yes [21:23] This was from a fresh boot, I upgraded earlier today and shut down the machine. Only notice it now that's it's dark. [21:25] adrian_1908, anything in your log files? [21:25] lemme check [21:28] pragmaticenigma: not seeing anything. But other error logs I'll have to look into (CUPS, colord) sometime. [21:28] If i start redshift manually from the cli, I get `Gamma ramp size too small: 0; Failed to start adjustment method randr. (…)` [21:29] But that might have been there before, who knows. [21:38] Will reboot, might not be Redshift's fault. [22:04] is there a command/utility that will identify the desktop-gui by name? [22:05] RadSurfer_: echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP [22:10] no other details? Thanks [22:11] RadSurfer_: What else is there to respond to ? We are here to help :P [22:12] "gnome 3" , "unity" using 19.10 here [22:12] so this would not using using either of those? [22:12] which version of gnome, for example? [22:12] RadSurfer_: Possible >> [22:13] I recently switched to plasma desktop. I love it, but there's this one thing I find frustrating. Dolphin and other apps don't show image file previews [22:13] !unity | RadSurfer_ [22:13] RadSurfer_: Unity is a graphical shell for the GNOME desktop environment. Ubuntu used it by default from 11.04 to 17.04. For more information, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity [22:13] Can KDE/plasma be configured to show image previews? [22:13] I went through Setup program, it makes no mention of desktop at all [22:14] This is particularly frustrating in applications like gimp and inkscape. I'd like to see what it is that I'm opening. [22:15] Alright so my problem is apparently with the nvidia driver and the latest kernel update. Where would I look on launchpad for bug reports regarding that? I don't know in which package that would be reported (if someone did). [22:15] RadSurfer_: Depending on what falvour you installed, is what the desktop environment is. [22:16] surely, there's a way to check it [22:18] RadSurfer_: "sysop@x1804mini:~$ echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP >> xubuntu XFCE" where I am running (x)ubuntu with the xfce desktop. Your case? gnome? what shows terminal command ' dpkg -l gnome ' ? [22:18] 'Gnome 3.34.2' ah! Okay! [22:18] I've only been back to using Ubuntu since November [22:19] $ dpkg -l gnome [22:19] dpkg-query: no packages found matching gnome [22:20] RadSurfer_: Not to know is not an ubuntu sin. We were all new at one time :P [22:21] Were we always able to resize/hide that side bar of icons? [22:22] !info gnome eoan | RadSurfer_ [22:22] RadSurfer_: gnome (source: meta-gnome3): Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:3.30+2 (eoan), package size 2 kB, installed size 35 kB [22:25] !info gdm3 eoan | RadSurfer_ [22:25] RadSurfer_: gdm3 (source: gdm3): GNOME Display Manager. In component main, is optional. Version 3.34.1-1ubuntu1 (eoan), package size 255 kB, installed size 1852 kB (Only available for linux-any) [22:26] how would I check that? your dpkg doesn't work here [22:27] ahah! [22:27] RadSurfer_: What returns ' dpkg -l gdm3 ' ? [22:28] http://dpaste.com/337DK7E :-|} [22:31] Excellent. :) [22:31] RadSurfer_: "ii" says that gdm3 is fully installed - version 3.34.1-1ubuntu1. [22:31] Okie. [22:32] Managed to solve my issue. Ubuntu defaults to a conservative, older branch of the Nvidia driver. I checked online and more recent drivers (restricted repo, no PPA) also support my gfx card. So Installed the latest one and the conflict with the recent HWE kernel is gone. [22:33] is there a way to turn OFF auto-arrangement of Desktop Icons? [22:34] RadSurfer_: That one I can not adrress as I have no GDM expeience. [22:34] experience* [22:41] !info gnome-tweak-tool eoan | RadSurfer_ [22:41] RadSurfer_: gnome-tweak-tool (source: gnome-tweaks): adjust advanced settings for GNOME - transitional package. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.34.0-2 (eoan), package size 1 kB, installed size 12 kB [22:42] whatevr that does [22:44] RadSurfer_: Want to alter gdm ? ^^ that is the tool to do it with :) [22:44] I see. [22:51] I plan to setup some different linux distros on top of lvm. I was going to setup volume groups based on the underlying pv structure - e.g. block, RAID 6, etc. This would tell me what redundancy (if any) my lvs have. Is there a convention or best practice I should use instead? [22:58] Hello. Need a fully featured web based file manager for Ubuntu. I am using Bionic. Any suggestions please? thank you [23:06] myuser: This channel is more focused on the support of a running instance of Ubuntu. How you wish to setup your computer, especially such advanced ones like that, is up to you to do your research and decide what works best for you. You could try channels such as #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux as resources for those types of questions. [23:09] ok [23:36] is there something opensource equivalent to virtualbox? [23:41] bencc1: qemu/kvm [23:41] bencc1: for a gui see virt-manager [23:54] I did something stupid and put a script in /etc/grub.d that broke my bootloader. I need to get in and delete that file, but I encrypted my drive at installation. Is this recoverable? Or do I need to format? [23:57] Hi All, I have ubuntu 18.04 and I am trying to use my mic for first time, it shows up as plugged but doesn't seems to work or record anything [23:57] can someone help or guide me on how to make it work? [23:59] blackhole, install pavucontrol and audacity. [23:59] akemhp, already have those