[00:43] What determines which filesystems can be run? [00:43] I did cat /proc/filesystems [00:48] FoldMark, if you want to be safe, use only Ext2 or Ext4 for system [00:49] FoldMark: run? you don't run a filesystem. [00:49] Run on.. [00:49] hi all, I've got multiple clients and a server, trying to use rsync to sync up everything with various users on the clients.....I'm having a nightmare of a time preserving ownership/permissions. Looking for some thoughts on what people would do to preserve all ownership rights and permissions as rsync does its thing [00:52] jmadero, looks like you would need to translate the uid/gid between each workstation and the server, like a croiss ref table [00:53] jmadero: have the same uids and gids on all systems (at least that file system objects you transfer will be owned by); transfer preserving uids + gids [00:53] jmadero: rsync has options for this. [00:53] or what he said [00:53] WoC`: how do I go about doing a cross reference table? [00:53] jmadero, typically I read the documentation: "man rsync" [00:54] the UID/GID will not be the same across systems, in particular the server which is a Synology drive so the default (1001) user is pre-determined [00:54] jmadero: You do ls -lAhn ~ on all machines [00:54] Well, the server should be master of that, just keep track of what each uid/gid is from each workstation and what the actual uid/gid is on the server [00:54] jmadero: You do 'ls -lAhn ~' on all machines [00:54] jmadero: They should all have the same grop. [00:55] jmadero, you can't preserve UID/GID if their not on the same system [00:56] Do all users have read/write on their own files? And all other user have read of that user? I believe it’s important that other users can only copy the files from you. [00:56] . . . so how do system admins preserve permissions across systems? I'm very confused [00:56] jmadero: openldap? [00:56] jmadero, you can preserve permissions... you can't preserve the UID/GID [00:56] jmadero, to preserve permission "-p" is the flag used to indicate permissions need to be preserved [00:56] pragmaticenigma: can I preserve ownership at all? [00:57] yes [00:57] jmadero: the names does not mean anything, it’s the uid and gid that matters. [00:57] FoldMark: then "you can't preserve the UID/GID" seems to be a problem [00:57] rsync does not even see usernames and groupnames [00:58] man rsync [00:58] FoldMark: I know about man pages [00:58] Actually, if all systems have the same list of uid/gid, that is not n issue [00:58] the GID/UID will not match, so I need to essentially match user 1001 on client, to user 1006 on server [00:58] openldap is one way to do that [00:58] -o -g [00:59] FoldMark: I obviously tried that, it did not work [00:59] Why? [00:59] (sigh) - clearly I'm here asking why [00:59] Did you make sure that user1 on workstation1 does not have the same uid as user1 on workstation2? [00:59] curious, how many users are we talking about jmadero ? [00:59] ls -lAhn /home [01:00] WoC`: three [01:00] so my user on my client is 1001 (user name is "joel" even though that is irrelevant), same user on server is UID 1030 [01:01] ok, then just make the uid/list uniform on all [01:01] crazy thing is when I do the rsync, everything becomes UID 1024 on server [01:02] fm:x:1000:1000:fm,,,:/home/fm:/bin/zsh [01:02] cat /etc/passwd [01:02] FoldMark: you're not giving useful advice, sorry man, not trying to be rude [01:03] It’s beneficial for your user on your local machine to adopt the UID from the server. [01:03] changing the uid/gid is simple. just dont forget to chown the files for each user [01:03] jmadero: It’s a sign of intelligence to be able to entertain a though without having to conclude. [01:04] However as already mentioned and not answered there is openldap if you have several users. [01:04] WoC`: but when I do that, my main user on my client will change to 1030, won't that cause a ton of issues in and of itself? [01:04] for 3 users, it may be a tad overkill with openldap [01:05] If you only have 30 users, manually adjusting these settings may be a reasonable way to do this, the moment you exceed 100 openldap is must. [01:05] I'm fine manually changing UID so long as it doesn't screw up everything. For example, will my home folders lock out because the UID changes? [01:05] Amen FoldMark [01:05] Like i said, dont forget to chown -R [01:06] hmm - alternatively I could do something really really lame and script something that after rsync is done, server runs permission script to set all permissions/ownership correctly . . . [01:06] this seems like such a basic thing to do . . . I'm surprised at how difficult it is [01:06] and for your own good be root while you clean this mess up, that way you will not be locked out [01:06] jmadero, Just to help understand this a little better. Are you attempting sync a specific folder to all the users, where you'd ideally like them to inherit the UID/GID of the folder they're sync'd into? If the hosting folder is setup, you might find stickybits help [01:07] jmadero: That’s not lazy, that’s a make work program. [01:07] pragmaticenigma: so for example, I want to sync up home folders across multiple machines so that no matter what system I log on, my setup is identical [01:07] plus have a backup on the server [01:07] FoldMark, Wasn't it you that just said "It’s a sign of intelligence to be able to entertain a thought without having to conclude." [01:08] heh [01:08] pragmaticenigma: so this was my rsync command, rsync -avzrog --progress /home/joel /mnt/Synology/Volume4/Backups/Home\ Directories/ [01:08] I guess we have a different understanding of the term lazy... [01:08] FoldMark, perhaps you should go and review the Code of Conduct? [01:08] on my local machine ownership is 1001, on my Synology drive, UID is 1024 [01:09] jmadero: make sure all users and groups and the relations btween them (group memberships) exist on source and destination. they can have different numbers, but names must match. then use rsync with its default UID/GID handling (literal UIDs + GIDS, not --numeric-ids) [01:09] and I'm like wtf as far as the 1024 ownership on my Synology drive, have zero clue where that's coming from [01:09] jmadero, The client machine intiates the rsync? [01:09] jmadero: You will have to decide where to pick your SSoT. [01:09] pragmaticenigma: yes, client initiates [01:09] SSoT = Single Source of Truth. [01:09] jmadero, how is that volume mounted? nfs ? [01:09] indeed [01:10] fstab entry: 192.168.0.21:/volumeUSB2/usbshare /mnt/Synology/Volume4 nfs auto,nofail,noatime,nolock,intr,tcp,actimeo=1800 0 0 [01:10] nfs has mappings too for uids/gids [01:11] well....that's interesting, I didn't know that [01:11] NFS can run over LAN usually and has several unix/linux-like features in place, unlike CIFS in which is more like FAT [01:11] so itś an old problem being re-solved ;) [01:11] WoC`: thoughts: https://serverfault.com/questions/514118/mapping-uid-and-gid-of-local-user-to-the-mounted-nfs-share [01:11] I hadn't thought about googling from NFS perspective [01:12] FoldMark, CIFS and FAT have nothing to do with one another, CIFS is a file transfer protocol and FAT is a File System [01:12] gtg bbiab [01:12] pragmaticenigma: in terms of features those are equally "rich" [01:12] jmadero, If you're mounting the remote share locally, you should be able to specify a local uid/gid to own the mounted item [01:13] I might be getting my mounting options turned around [01:13] Don’t forget the umask when you mount. [01:13] pragmaticenigma: I'm not sure that'll work, because then when it mounts let's say UID 1001 owns the mount, but then user 1002 wants to back up /home folder [01:13] I’m off to neverland. [01:13] jmadero, I think there might be an easier approach to all of this [01:14] I’m a bit curious about the ownership of the folders myself. [01:14] I'm all ears [01:14] I would run resilio or similar. [01:14] But then again you loose ownership [01:14] How about syncthing? [01:15] jmadero, is there any reason that upon login, that a script simply mounts the remote share into a user's specified directory on login. Instead of syncing, the responsibility is that the user just knows that if they want access to their personal stuff, they have to save to that folder [01:16] What if to owners have the same file? ~/expensereport.xlsx for example. How would you handle this? [01:16] pragmaticenigma: so, for things like home folder that would be a real issue, clients are all laptops which go off of lan often ;) [01:16] would be bad to all of the sudden not have access haha [01:16] and basically I want everything synced across systems - music, photos, public folder, downloads, home folders [01:17] I'm going to try this solution of turning off idmapping, if it can sync by string user ("joel") then it should resolve....I think? [01:19] possibly [01:19] jmadero: It’s not that complex though: https://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/quickstart.html [01:19] of course Synology prevents me from doing that (face palm) [01:20] FoldMark, you're missing a key element in your suggestion there... The NFS server is not a standard *nix box. Which means no matter what LDAP or user management system proposed, they will continue to have this issue. [01:21] I honestly thought this was pretty standard thing to do, I'm pretty surprised that it'd be so difficult to figure out. But, so be it, still attempting different solutions [01:22] What does the synology box run on? [01:22] Isn’t that some sort of BSD? [01:23] A very minimal *nix platform. Not capable of being integrated or used with an LDAP system [01:23] Ouch. [01:25] Syncthing [01:25] The following are not synchronized; [01:25] File or Directory Owners and Groups (not preserved) [01:25] Then rsync may or may not be your only option. [01:26] I’m not sure what the mapping of the UID/GID can help you with or mess up. [01:46] Since when did ubuntu switch from lightdm to gdm3? [01:49] Wally, Do you have a specific issue, or are you asking a general question that could be found in the release notes? [01:50] Sorry. the documentation seems to point to lightdm and I cannot login using an Active Directory account [01:50] I've done all the steps provided @ https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/sssd-ad.html using realm instead of net ads. [01:51] Wally: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes indicates the change was in the 18.04 release. [01:52] Ah. Thanks. Funny, this documentation is for 18.04 [01:54] Wally, many of those are just copied up from a previous person... the wiki's aren't well managed [01:54] Understandable. [01:55] looking at it more closely... I would think that possibly the suggested edits are compatible with both greeters [01:56] * pragmaticenigma notices it also says to reboot to make the settings take effect. When restarting the greeter service would sufice [01:57] Yeah they look pretty similar. I am not sure why AD logins don't work for me [01:59] Wally, though it's late and the room is quiet... #ubuntu-server may have someone there weekdays that's more familiar with the setup [02:00] appreciate it pragmaticenigma. I might have to plot over there after I do some more testing === zbenjamin is now known as Guest5476 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [02:41] Strange question what happens if a user add graphic card with 8Gb ram and sys has only 8GB ram [02:42] yotux: the system will run just fine. [02:43] okay I was gifted a RX 580 have an older system with only 8GB of ram my GTS 8800 just died [02:43] * Wally tilts head [02:43] It's a strange question alright [02:44] thanks Wally like the username [02:46] Cool === Leion1 is now known as Leion === leden_ is now known as leden [04:04] hi [04:05] I have a question... how does one view the size of a folder's contents? [04:09] try "du -sh [04:09] Without the quote and brackets of course. [04:11] also... how do i view the time a file was created? [04:11] ls -al [04:15] ls -al will show the time it was last modified. Not necessarily created [04:16] i have a really dumb question, but i'm going to ask anyways...my family is somewhat locked in with microsoft logins...can one configure ubuntu to authenticate with microsoft for login? [04:16] a "touch" will update that file... correct? [04:17] JFox762: correc [04:17] t [04:18] there's no real good way to determine a file creation date. Unless you know it was created and never modified [04:19] JFox762: My apologies. leftyfb is correct. [04:21] ok [04:21] I only need to know modified date though [04:21] I'm having a weird ... thing happening here... [04:21] im running Ubuntu on a Raspberry pi... mounted a USB connected Laptop drive... [04:21] running Shinobi NVR [04:22] I edited the configuration file, so that it stores videos on the mounted Directories [04:22] Strangely... as the server records video, it *STILL* seems to be taking up space on the limited SD Card, rather than the 1TB hard drive [04:27] I'm still trying to figure out, what the system does during its boot procedure. This is how far I came: [04:27] 1) GRUB (bootloader) -> Kernel -> systemd (init process) [04:27] 2) systemd checks default bootlevel/target (where?) [04:27] 3) systemd runs scripts from appropriate folder in /etc/rcX.d [04:27] 3.b) /etc/rcX.d is a kind of sorting of the files in /etc/init.d. [04:27] 3.c) Apps in /etc/init.d, that need a conf, put it in /etc/init (?) [04:27] I am using lilo boot loader, and the Ubuntu kernel "vmlinuz-4.15.0-74-generic" does not want to boot [04:28] it gets stuck, screenshot here: https://ibb.co/6RsBr9P [04:28] my other kernel (4.14.166) boots fine [04:28] I have this in my lilo.conf: [04:28] image=/boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-74-generic [04:28] label=ubuntu [04:28] initrd=/boot/initrd.img-4.15.0-74-generic [04:29] DarkTrick: You've been put in to quiet mode for multi-line text. Next time use pastebin. [04:29] WaV, did none of my message arrive? [04:29] FH_thecat: why are you trying to use LILO in ubuntu? [04:29] !enter | DarkTrick [04:29] DarkTrick: Please try and keep as much of your info as possible on ONE line - easier to follow for everyone. [04:29] 6 lines. I don't know the answer to your question, but yes it appears that it did. [04:29] !paste | DarkTrick [04:29] DarkTrick: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [04:30] WaV: stop [04:30] oh ,wrong person, sorry [04:30] Is there a way to query a file, to find out what Storage Device it is being stored on? [04:31] JFox762: make sure it's not a link. then just pwd and looks to see where that is mounted [04:31] WaV, I never thought of pastebin for anything else than "code". I will remember that [04:31] leftyfb: do you have an idea why it does not boot ? [04:31] So here's my Question :) [04:31] https://pastebin.com/JxaNnpDR [04:31] FH_thecat: why are you trying to use LILO in ubuntu? [04:33] DarkTrick: what issue are you having with ubuntu? [04:33] leftyfb, I'm trying to educate myself [04:33] !ot | DarkTrick [04:33] DarkTrick: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [04:34] leftyfb: why do you need to know why? can you help me or not ? [04:34] FH_thecat: we only support ubuntu and it's officially supported packaged here. Sorry. [04:34] leftyfb, good to know! [04:35] leftyfb: lilo is official package in Ubuntu [04:35] FH_thecat: what version of ubuntu are you running? [04:36] 18.04 [04:36] FH_thecat: 4.14 was never a kernel in 18.04 [04:36] yes, I know. I am just saying that othere kernel works fine [04:36] you can ignore that part [04:37] FH_thecat: that's not how troubleshooting works. You're leaving out critical information. Sorry, can't help you. [04:41] leftyfb: fine. You don't have to reply when you have no help to offer [04:41] FH_thecat: why are you trying to use LILO in ubuntu? [04:42] how do i ... [04:42] uhhh [04:42] leftyfb: that is irrelevant [04:42] soooooo [04:43] On my Raspberry pi [04:43] FH_thecat: you're having an issue with LILO booting. Why are you trying to run LILO with ubuntu in the first place? [04:43] I need to make a backup of the entire OS [04:43] !enter | JFox762 [04:43] JFox762: Please try and keep as much of your info as possible on ONE line - easier to follow for everyone. [04:43] which is on the SD [04:45] How do I make an image of the entire SD card ... so if my OS gets corrupted, or... I screw something up on my Shinobi server... i can just burn it back onto an SD card w/ etcher? [04:45] JFox762: shut the pi down, pull the sd card out, put it in another machine and make an image of it. It's not worth the effort required to try to take an image of the card while it's running [04:45] yeah i figured that much [04:46] how do i make an image of the sd card on another ubuntu machine I have? [04:46] My laptop is running kubuntu [04:47] JFox762: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=46911 found by gooling your question [04:47] googling* [04:48] leftyfb: imagine you come to a garage because your car is broken. Instead of fixing the problem, the guy insistently keeps asking: but why do you want to drive from A to B ? [04:49] FH_thecat: someone who swapped out their own starter/engine isn't taking their car to the garage [04:49] FH_thecat: why are you trying to use LILO in ubuntu? [04:50] leftyfb: my reason why is irrelevant. besides you alredy told me you no help to offer anyway [04:51] FH_thecat: the reason I can't help you is because you are purposely holding back critical information. Why are you trying to run LILO in ubuntu? [04:53] leftyfb: I don't agree with your assessment. My answer "why" will have no bearing to help solve the problem [04:54] FH_thecat: lets try another one. Regardless of you believing it's irrelevant, why are you refusing to answer the question? [04:55] leftyfb: lets not spam this channel with irrelevant chatter [04:55] leftyfb: just ignore my question [04:56] hello all, my ubuntu 18.04 didn't start well, it got "fsck exited with status code 8" .. any advice [04:56] FH_thecat: it looks to me like your initrd was generated against the 4.14 (unupported) kernel and won't work with the 4.15 kernel in ubuntu. [04:57] Bluerate: sounds like a corrupt filesystem or bad storage device [04:58] leftyfb: what do you suggest [04:58] Bluerate: depends on what the issue is. Depends on what your environment/hardware is [04:59] it gets me to initramfs command line [05:00] Bluerate: is this a new install? [05:00] leftyfb: the harddisk has other partitions and they are working fine except this /dev/sda4 [05:00] no ... I work before on it [05:00] Bluerate: corruption can have an infinite amount of different symptoms [05:00] Bluerate: sounds like a corrupt filesystem or bad storage device [05:01] Bluerate: you can try running an fsck -f- y on sda4 booted from some other media (live usb) or replace the storage device [05:01] Bluerate: Regardless of the solution you pic, you should have a backup of the data on sda4 [05:05] leftyfb: my friend got the same error as "fsck exited with status code 4" .. when we typed "fsck /dev/sda8" it works after reboot [05:05] Bluerate: you didn't follow my instructions [05:06] but i couldn't type on my initramfs: it showed diamond characters [05:06] Bluerate: again, didn't follow my instructions [05:07] leftyfb: not like that: I want to make a live usb.. but from where should i run an fsck -f- y on sda4 ? [05:07] Bluerate: a terminal in the live usb [05:08] leftyfb: is this a command "fsck -f -y /dev/sda4"? [05:09] that is a command, yes [05:09] OK [05:09] leftyfb: I have reinstalled the package linux-image-4.15.0-74-generic, but that did not help [05:10] still the same problem [06:19] hi. how to use OBS studio as device? Cheese on Ubuntu shows 'No device found' message. [07:11] Are there any alternatives to WebcamStudio? [07:31] OBS perhaps, https://snapcraft.io/obs-studio [07:39] oerheks: OBS doesn't work as device. Cheese returns 'No device found' message. It doesn't work on some websites or services. [07:41] cheese does not work? amazing, the simplest tool there is .. so it does work, your webcam? [07:53] oerheks: cheese works, but it doesn't catch output from OBS. I see there's a v4l2 plugin necessary, but it also returns errors: 'Could not find the libobs library', 'Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!' [08:45] hi [08:45] how do i remvoe a package and recurisvely all the others that were installed [08:48] sudo apt autoremove usually works fine [08:48] nc termbin.com 9999 ; why 9999 [08:49] https://termbin.com/utno [08:49] why what? [08:51] never thought i'd be running apt-get dist-upgrade on windows [09:02] morning. simple question. is there a way to get the calendar at the top to display the date as well as the day of the week and the time? [09:04] eliyahuTBR, sure, gnome-tweak-tool gives that option, weeknumber, incl clock + date + seconds [09:04] !info gnome-tweak-tool [09:04] gnome-tweak-tool (source: gnome-tweaks): adjust advanced settings for GNOME - transitional package. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.34.0-2 (eoan), package size 1 kB, installed size 12 kB [09:05] section 'topbar' [09:19] How to get one directory up or how to get to /home directory on Nautilus (Ubuntu Files) while using ftps:// connection? [09:20] cd .. # 1 level up [09:20] and nautilus usually starts in you $HOME [09:21] hi guys , i just upgraded to 18.04 and installed unity on it. recently i am facing some issues like my fn keys are not working. I cant level up or down my sound and brightness also sometimes terminal takes too long to start when i ctrl alt T. can anyone tell me if they are facing same issues [09:22] oerheks: I'm working on external GUI (Nautilus), not terminal and it didn't start at $HOME, but some levels down. [09:24] elh, then it is not a nautilus issue, but your ftp configuration? [09:24] nautilus starts in home, unless you managed to change that [09:25] oerheks: where could I change that? [09:26] in your ftp config? [09:28] oerheks: so it's not possible to go 1 level up on Nautilus? [09:31] elin nautilus itself, ALT + upkey [09:31] elh* [09:32] maybe backspace? [09:32] sometimes backspace works too [09:34] none of them works on ftps connection [09:35] oke, then your ftp config does not allow you to go outside your home folder? [09:35] *hint* [09:52] oerheks: it allows me to do it on terminal [09:59] thanks @oerheks [10:12] Hey All. I'm running a xenial server, but it's my first exposure to systemd, and I'm looking for a little guidance. I've got a let's encrypt cron job setup, the command works when run manually, but cron doesn't seem to be running it. [10:13] does cron run alongside systemctl timers & there's a cron service that isn't running by default? [10:15] nevermind... should have checked enabled services first. there's a cron service, the cron service is running & starts on boot. [10:29] hello, I'm using headless ubuntu and using an util to connect to a server and I need to auth there, however, I don't want to be prompted each time, what are some elegant solutions for this problem? [10:29] I may create an alias and there write-in my password as plain text, but that looks sad [10:29] pomeha: Use ssh keys [10:30] "an util" ? === EriC^ is now known as EriC^^ [10:55] which tools are needed to compile emacs [10:55] ./configure went properly but not make [10:55] make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. === akem__ is now known as ChewBaka === ChewBaka is now known as akemhp [11:11] https://termbin.com/c293 [11:13] drappist: Why don't you use the emacs package provided by ubuntu? [11:14] leftyfb: thanks, it resolved [11:14] deem: no it's old [11:15] https://snapcraft.io/emacs gives 26 and 27 beta or 28 edge [11:16] else, get dependencies with: apt build-dep emacs26 [11:18] E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list [11:18] apt build-dep emacs26 [11:19] !build [11:19] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first) [11:19] sounds like you just began, not following the wiki? [11:24] Where people are using GNU Emacs [11:24] how did ubuntu know that ? [11:39] hey [11:40] I m root, when adding a user I get cannot lock /etc/passwd even though no lock files present. disks are not full, not any of them [11:59] E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list [11:59] sudo apt build-dep emacs [11:59] I what emacs26.3 latest [12:00] !who | drappist [12:00] drappist: As you can see, this is a large channel. If you're speaking to someone in particular, please put their nickname in what you say (use !tab), or else messages get lost and it becomes confusing :) [12:01] How do I install a lower version of Chrome on Ubuntu? [12:01] There is a bug with Chrome 79 on Ubuntu when run in a VM. [12:02] hello [12:02] deem: how does ubuntu know how many people use emacs... how does it collect data on snapcraft [12:03] https://snapcraft.io/emacs [12:09] acetakwas: apt policy chromium [12:10] then apt install chromium:version [12:12] it's =version IIRC, the : syntax is for :architecture [12:12] configure: error: The following required libraries were not found: [12:12] libXpm libjpeg libgif/libungif libtiff [12:15] anyone knows how wto fetch those libs [12:16] apt build-dep emacs26 is easiest (if you have deb-src lines uncommented in your /etc/apt/sources.list) [12:16] but you can try to guess package names such as apt install libxpm-dev libjpeg-dev libgif-dev libtiff-dev [12:21] E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list [12:22] the build factoid answeres this [12:22] really, you should do more investigation. [12:22] there are several deb-src lines [12:23] just enable sources in the update settings [12:24] is there a command-line way of enabling sources? like you can enable a single component with 'sudo add-apt-repository universe'? sed oneliners on /etc/apt/source.lists don't count [12:27] mgedmin, not that i know off.. [12:27] mgedmin: not sure I understand the question... isn't that the command right there to enable sources? [12:27] mgedmin: or are you talking about being able to add/remove extra PPA repos? [12:28] oneliner; sed -i '/^#\sdeb-src /s/^#//' "/etc/apt/sources.list" [12:28] oh, now I think I understand the question [12:29] yeah, I boot a livecd in a VM, and I want to apt build-dep something, and I just know I won't be able to remember the sed syntax [12:30] so I sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list and hate every minute of it [12:31] in compilingSoftware link it's not mentioned to uncomment deb-src [12:31] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware [12:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo [12:32] last updated in 2014; back then deb-src lines were enabled by default [12:33] oh, i was sure it was mentioned somehow.. [12:36] can we build new versions of emacs with old ubuntu build-dep libs [12:38] drappist: Why exactly are you trying to build emacs yourself? is there some specific functionality that you need that isn't provided by the pre-packaged versions already available in the repositories? [12:38] pragmaticenigma: it's cool [12:38] emacs of ubuntu has no emacs manual [12:38] and building from source teaches a lot [12:39] drappist: This channel focuses it's efforts on supporting applications and software that is readily available in the software repos. Building from source is a great way to learn, but this isn't the best forum for getting help on that. [12:41] drappist: A few quick web searches provides several articles on how to build emacs for Ubuntu. I would encourage you to read those articles, all the way through, instead of trying to do the work as you go along. Through that research I'm certain you will be more knowledgeable in the topic and understand better how to do this on your own. [12:51] this name is better [12:58] https://salsa.debian.org/rlb/deb-emacs what's the version number wehre to check it [12:59] the manual is in emacs25-common-non-dfsg [12:59] littlekimmy: please don't change your screenname in the middle of receiving assistance... there is no indication on IRC to help identify or link who you were to who you are now [13:00] also littlekimmy, did you see my previous messages? I think you need to spend more time doing research on the web. You'll learn a lot more, and you'll have a better chance of ending up with a working application [13:01] I didn't like my earlier name, as they mistook my name to be rapist [13:06] littlekimmy: Do you understand what I was trying to tell you earlier about doing your own research in how to do this? [13:06] pragmaticenigma: yes [13:13] Howdy folks [13:14] hi BluesKaj [13:14] hi oerheks [13:14] oerheks: do you know /dev/fb0 how do i use that to get low level access to monitor === captainplutonium is now known as mrinfinity [13:15] interesting question, i have no clue [13:19] hmm [13:19] I've got 2 packages that are "kept back" but dist-upgrade doesn't do anything to them... [13:19] I wonder what to do to resolve them [13:20] apt install -f perhaps? [13:21] neither is something I'd have manually instaleld. [13:21] install -f doesn't do anything, full-upgrade doesn't do anything. [13:22] and what packages are these? [13:22] ztane: Do you have an PPAs installed/enabled? [13:23] apt-mark showhold # if you pinned a package [13:24] fastfresh: I have Chrome not Chromium [13:25] acetakwas, as google handles their ppa, there is no rollback to a previous version [13:25] only up, beta/unstable [13:25] * which is a good thing [13:25] Oresrian: How can I get that? [13:26] the packages are libsnmp30 and sysstat [13:26] see in synaptic what versions you have? [13:26] google-chrome-beta i guess [13:26] libsnmp30 : Depends: libsensors5 (>= 1:3.5.0) but it is not going to be install ;D [13:27] ok I am going to remove them both, I have no idea what I'd use them for anyway :F [13:27] ztane, perhaps run apt update again, fresh lists [13:27] no [13:27] most of the time that solves such weird held back issues [13:28] ztane, what release of ubuntu ? [13:28] ztane,don't removepackages if you don't know what they're for [13:28] hmm snmp30 did have quite some deps so not gonna touch that [13:29] ztane, on what ubuntu version ? [13:29] ok [13:29]