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Eickmeyer[m]teward: Awesome, that worked. Now, I got it to build, but dput is being stupid and not uploading the source tarball. 00:15
Eickmeyer[m]Looks like the .changes file isn't including the tarball for some reason.00:40
studiobot<teward001> `debuild -S -sa`02:32
studiobot<teward001> you need to tell it to include the tarball02:32
studiobot<teward001> it won't include typically when there's an ubuntu changes version line02:33
studiobot<teward001> which is why i usually `debuild -S -sa` most things02:33
studiobot<teward001> Eickmeyer: ^02:33
Eickmeyer[m]teward: Yeah, figured that out myself. I'm still stuggling with the Python issue (FTBFA at the moment).02:57
* OvenWerks notes that an audio flavour without Ardour is kind of like a linux distro with no kernel.03:44
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: most of the stuff I can find about systemd for running session stuff is 2014 ish03:46
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: Yeah. It's entirely possible that it hasn't changed, or at least the concepts.04:07
Eickmeyer[m]Unrelated, I can't get Ardour to build. WAF is hating Python3.04:07
Eickmeyer[m]teward: I'm in over my head with Ardour. I've asked the Ardour team for help, but I doubt I'll get any as they would rather have people pay for and download the binaries from their website.04:17
Eickmeyer[m]I see the clock ticking and I don't like what I see.04:18
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: actually I hope systemd has progressed since 2014 when they were saying "we haven't decided how we will.... but are leaning in this direction"04:23
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: Well, it's a Lennart project, so there's no telling.04:24
OvenWerks :P04:24
OvenWerksvery "linuxy"04:24
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: I am giving up on systemd for a bit and will remove FW backend from the controls GUI. Then paste the file and maybe you can push it.04:32
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: Ok, sounds good.04:32
OvenWerkswierd, just installed glade... and it's deps04:38
OvenWerksit then shows all those packages as "no longer needed" Use autremove to clean them up... ok, then no glade reinstall now ok.04:38
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: www.ovenwerks.net/paste/ubuntustudio-controls.glade should go in the controls package: usr/share/ubuntustudio-controls/ directory to replace the one there.04:44
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: any suitable changelog line will do: firewire backend does not work, use alsa04:45
OvenWerksor some such.04:46
Eickmeyer[m]Ok, I'll make it work.04:46
OvenWerksWorks the same as now but firewire no longer shows up in the GUI as a back end04:46
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: My son is pulling me away for a bit, but I'll get on that. Robin has pointed me in the direction of a potential fix for the Ardour WAF issue.04:46
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: ya I think they do know that Ardour does have to keep up...04:47
Eickmeyer[m]Yeah, they do.04:48
OvenWerksI expect GTK, the parts of it still used, will get replaced with "atk" (AKA ardour widgets)04:49
OvenWerksbut it would be nice to get V6 out soon. Paul is also taking about moving on from c++99 to at least c++1104:50
OvenWerks*talking04:50
OvenWerksThis would mean dropping support for winxp and mac before intel04:50
studiobot<azbulutlu> eickmeyer ovenworks if the issue with nvidia you ran into is recent there definitely was a hiccup going on but I  think it was wider than just the low latency kernel. I had 2 laptops (one with kubuntu other with ubuntustudio have severe issues over last week both woth nvidia)04:56
studiobot<azbulutlu> both with*04:56
Eickmeyer[m]@azbulutlu: Good to know that it wasn't just me then.05:01
studiobot<azbulutlu> I'll point out that this was the first time I had issues using nvidia and low latency kernel in 5+ years however. (nvidia drivers can cause issues but that isn't specific to low latency kernel05:02
studiobot<azbulutlu> the recent thing might not have been just ubuntu. one sec05:02
studiobot<azbulutlu> https://mastodon.art/@eylul/10350453540806129005:03
OvenWerks@azbulutlu: as an aside... the first tablet setup in controls will be limited... just one device, one set of buttons, one area, one pressure curve.05:04
studiobot<azbulutlu> I would have reported this but I had to do 3 fresh installs on 2 computers within a 72 hour period05:04
studiobot<azbulutlu> I think it is ok but it might be worth labeling it experimental then05:05
OvenWerks@azbulutlu: I think this needs to be done just to make sure it works and can be tested before release.05:05
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: Do you just need me to yeet this glade file into the existing ubuntustudio-controls and push it?05:05
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: yes and a a changelog line to suit.05:06
Eickmeyer[m]Ok05:06
studiobot<azbulutlu> ovenwerks I misunderstood you. I think that is a good idea btw05:09
OvenWerks@azbulutlu: It allows for the best testing I can do on site too.05:12
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: I can push this, but the next question is if we should upload this to focal, unless you don't think it's ready.05:13
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: just to master is fine.05:13
Eickmeyer[m]Ok, I'll do that.05:13
OvenWerksThat is I hope you are starting from master to begin with05:14
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: ^^^05:14
Eickmeyer[m]Yes, definitely.05:14
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: Done.05:15
OvenWerksEickmeyer[m]: I think with systemd I need two unit files. One to start autojack and another to SIGINT or dbus quit it.05:18
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: I'm only familiar with service files, so I don't know how that would work.05:18
OvenWerksit seems when something is started as a user, it is not connected to the session and so continues to run after the session05:19
OvenWerksit might be a service file at that.05:20
Eickmeyer[m]Service files are usually loaded at boot.05:20
Eickmeyer[m]Just before DM.05:20
OvenWerksbut there is an exit.target05:20
OvenWerkshow can that happen for user files?05:21
OvenWerkswhich user would they start for untill loging happens05:21
OvenWerksI think I shall have to do a BUNCH OF BOOTS05:22
Eickmeyer[m]Oof.05:22
OvenWerks(caps lock)05:22
Eickmeyer[m]Still, oof.05:22
OvenWerksand see what is running before loggin into a session05:22
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks, teward : I just called-out doko for basically screwing us over with the omission of Ardour from the Python2 removal list. His response was less than helpful.18:56
Eickmeyer[m]He has agreed to help restore Ardour.19:06
Eickmeyer[m]I've exhausted my brain power for the day porting the wscripts to Python 3.19:07
Eickmeyer[m]I'm mostly frustrated with the AAs for sitting on packages to review for over a month, and any time I request a review I'm met with silence. It's infurating.19:11

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