[00:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: Awesome, that worked. Now, I got it to build, but dput is being stupid and not uploading the source tarball. 
[00:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks like the .changes file isn't including the tarball for some reason.
 `debuild -S -sa`
 you need to tell it to include the tarball
 it won't include typically when there's an ubuntu changes version line
 which is why i usually `debuild -S -sa` most things
 Eickmeyer: ^
[02:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: Yeah, figured that out myself. I'm still stuggling with the Python issue (FTBFA at the moment).
[03:44]  * OvenWerks notes that an audio flavour without Ardour is kind of like a linux distro with no kernel.
[03:46] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: most of the stuff I can find about systemd for running session stuff is 2014 ish
[04:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yeah. It's entirely possible that it hasn't changed, or at least the concepts.
[04:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Unrelated, I can't get Ardour to build. WAF is hating Python3.
[04:17] <Eickmeyer[m]> teward: I'm in over my head with Ardour. I've asked the Ardour team for help, but I doubt I'll get any as they would rather have people pay for and download the binaries from their website.
[04:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> I see the clock ticking and I don't like what I see.
[04:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: actually I hope systemd has progressed since 2014 when they were saying "we haven't decided how we will.... but are leaning in this direction"
[04:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Well, it's a Lennart project, so there's no telling.
[04:24] <OvenWerks>  :P
[04:24] <OvenWerks> very "linuxy"
[04:32] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I am giving up on systemd for a bit and will remove FW backend from the controls GUI. Then paste the file and maybe you can push it.
[04:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Ok, sounds good.
[04:38] <OvenWerks> wierd, just installed glade... and it's deps
[04:38] <OvenWerks> it then shows all those packages as "no longer needed" Use autremove to clean them up... ok, then no glade reinstall now ok.
[04:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: www.ovenwerks.net/paste/ubuntustudio-controls.glade should go in the controls package: usr/share/ubuntustudio-controls/ directory to replace the one there.
[04:45] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: any suitable changelog line will do: firewire backend does not work, use alsa
[04:46] <OvenWerks> or some such.
[04:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, I'll make it work.
[04:46] <OvenWerks> Works the same as now but firewire no longer shows up in the GUI as a back end
[04:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: My son is pulling me away for a bit, but I'll get on that. Robin has pointed me in the direction of a potential fix for the Ardour WAF issue.
[04:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: ya I think they do know that Ardour does have to keep up...
[04:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, they do.
[04:49] <OvenWerks> I expect GTK, the parts of it still used, will get replaced with "atk" (AKA ardour widgets)
[04:50] <OvenWerks> but it would be nice to get V6 out soon. Paul is also taking about moving on from c++99 to at least c++11
[04:50] <OvenWerks> *talking
[04:50] <OvenWerks> This would mean dropping support for winxp and mac before intel
 eickmeyer ovenworks if the issue with nvidia you ran into is recent there definitely was a hiccup going on but I  think it was wider than just the low latency kernel. I had 2 laptops (one with kubuntu other with ubuntustudio have severe issues over last week both woth nvidia)
 both with*
[05:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> @azbulutlu: Good to know that it wasn't just me then.
 I'll point out that this was the first time I had issues using nvidia and low latency kernel in 5+ years however. (nvidia drivers can cause issues but that isn't specific to low latency kernel
 the recent thing might not have been just ubuntu. one sec
 https://mastodon.art/@eylul/103504535408061290
[05:04] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: as an aside... the first tablet setup in controls will be limited... just one device, one set of buttons, one area, one pressure curve.
 I would have reported this but I had to do 3 fresh installs on 2 computers within a 72 hour period
 I think it is ok but it might be worth labeling it experimental then
[05:05] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: I think this needs to be done just to make sure it works and can be tested before release.
[05:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Do you just need me to yeet this glade file into the existing ubuntustudio-controls and push it?
[05:06] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: yes and a a changelog line to suit.
[05:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok
 ovenwerks I misunderstood you. I think that is a good idea btw
[05:12] <OvenWerks> @azbulutlu: It allows for the best testing I can do on site too.
[05:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I can push this, but the next question is if we should upload this to focal, unless you don't think it's ready.
[05:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: just to master is fine.
[05:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, I'll do that.
[05:14] <OvenWerks> That is I hope you are starting from master to begin with
[05:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: ^^^
[05:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yes, definitely.
[05:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Done.
[05:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I think with systemd I need two unit files. One to start autojack and another to SIGINT or dbus quit it.
[05:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: I'm only familiar with service files, so I don't know how that would work.
[05:19] <OvenWerks> it seems when something is started as a user, it is not connected to the session and so continues to run after the session
[05:20] <OvenWerks> it might be a service file at that.
[05:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Service files are usually loaded at boot.
[05:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just before DM.
[05:20] <OvenWerks> but there is an exit.target
[05:21] <OvenWerks> how can that happen for user files?
[05:21] <OvenWerks> which user would they start for untill loging happens
[05:22] <OvenWerks> I think I shall have to do a BUNCH OF BOOTS
[05:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Oof.
[05:22] <OvenWerks> (caps lock)
[05:22] <Eickmeyer[m]> Still, oof.
[05:22] <OvenWerks> and see what is running before loggin into a session
[18:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks, teward : I just called-out doko for basically screwing us over with the omission of Ardour from the Python2 removal list. His response was less than helpful.
[19:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> He has agreed to help restore Ardour.
[19:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've exhausted my brain power for the day porting the wscripts to Python 3.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm mostly frustrated with the AAs for sitting on packages to review for over a month, and any time I request a review I'm met with silence. It's infurating.