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[13:42] <VampiricPadraig> I have a Mac Mini 7,1 (Late 2014) and macOS is sluggish on it. Has anyone got Xubuntu (or any distro) working on it?
[15:20] <xubuntu5w> Sometimes multiple nm-applet icons appear
[15:21] <xubuntu5w> Normally one in the Status Notifier plugin but sometimes also in the Notification area (systray). Likewise for the Redshift app icon
[15:22] <xubuntu5w> How can I prevent this from happening?
[15:22] <xubuntu5w> I am using Xubuntu 18.04.3
[15:23] <xubuntu5w> See also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1761606
[15:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1761606 in ubuntu-mate-settings (Ubuntu) "Two Wi-Fi network applets appear after logging back into live-usb Lubuntu 18.04 session." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:23] <brainwash> xubuntu5w: I think it's fixed in Xfce 4.14
[15:24] <xubuntu5w> Ok, hopefully
[15:24] <xubuntu5w> Was it an xfce 4.12 bug?
[15:25] <brainwash> pretty much
[15:25] <brainwash> the session startup was rewritten in 4.14
[15:26] <brainwash> and that fixed the multiple tray icons bug (when I tested it)
[15:27] <xubuntu5w> Is there no workaround? What are the consequences of removing the Notification area (systray) applet?
[15:28] <xubuntu5w> since we have the Satus Notifier plugin is the Notification area (systray) still needed?
[15:28] <brainwash> not all applications support the new status notifier protocol yet
[15:29] <xubuntu5w> Can you name a few? Task manager?
[15:30] <brainwash> dunno really
[15:30] <brainwash> I have both plugins, so I can't tell
[15:31] <brainwash> a workaround could be to create a new autostart launcher for nm-applet. this new launcher would start the applet after a small delay.
[15:32] <brainwash> Exec=sh -c 'sleep 5; nm-applet'
[15:32] <brainwash> something like that
[15:33] <xubuntu5w> In the past I had problems with the dropbox icon, a delay solved itit
[15:34] <brainwash> basically, the problem is that autostart launchers are started before the Xfce session components
[15:34] <brainwash> including the panel with its tray plugins
[15:35] <brainwash> Xfce 4.14 corrects that
[15:35] <xubuntu5w> I removed the delay and now the dropbox icon is present in the Status Notifier and not in the Notification area anymore
[15:37] <xubuntu5w> Do you also have an explanation for that?
[15:38] <xubuntu5w> Anyway thanks for your help!
[15:38] <brainwash> the explanation for most cases is: race condition
[15:39] <brainwash> it makes a difference if something is started before or after the panel is fully loaded
[15:41] <xubuntu5w> As long as things are properly fixed in xfce 4.14 I am happy
[15:45] <xubuntu5w> I am looking for a nice theme and icon set that work out-of-the-box for xubuntu, any tips?
[15:52] <brainwash> no tips other than you may need to look for a different theme when using Xfce 4.14 (Xubuntu 20.04)
[15:52] <brainwash> which is based on GTK3
[15:54] <xubuntu5w> 4.12 isn't?
[15:54] <brainwash> no
[15:54] <brainwash> check out the screenshot threads https://forum.xfce.org/viewforum.php?id=9
[15:56] <brainwash> I assume that hardly any of the themes and icons will be available ootb though
[15:56] <xubuntu5w> ok
[15:56] <xubuntu5w> that sucks
[16:03] <xubuntu5w> I am currently using elementary-xfce-dark, but is noticed the the nm-device-wired-secure.png file is missing in the /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark/panel/22 directory
[16:04] <xubuntu5w> I noticed*
[16:04] <xubuntu5w> I noticed that*
[16:06] <xubuntu5w> So the png file in the /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps directory is used instead
[16:08] <brainwash> I think I've seen a bug report for that
[16:10] <brainwash> bug 1796183
[16:10] <ubottu> bug 1796183 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "vpn indicator icon is not appearing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1796183
[16:32] <xubuntu5w> brainwash: Thx