[00:22] <DarwinElf> i need the Kubuntu 18.04.3 ISO in *normal BIOS mode*!  Where is it?!
[00:25] <DarwinElf> Micro$oft (M$) made UEFI to mess with users; who knew Canonical would be sucking up to M$ by making the default version UEFI and not giving you a choice on boot?
[00:27] <Alabalistic> As far as I know there is no diference in th iso
[00:28] <DarwinElf> the main ISO has an EFI partition.  I need the normal, original type of ISO that doesn't have that
[00:28] <Alabalistic> What is the cpu on witch you are trying to install
[00:28] <DarwinElf> it's not relevant what the CPU is.  It runs in either mode
[00:29] <Alabalistic> there is no sence on that, MBR and UEFI are diferent story
[00:29] <DarwinElf> exactly.  The PC uses MBR.  The only 64-bit Kubuntu 18.04.3 ISO uses EFI.  People need other options.  Canonical doesn't just decide for them when we have our own choice
[00:31] <Alabalistic> Are you sure u have 64 bit cpu there, if you have 32bit cpu then you cant install 64bit iso
[00:31] <DarwinElf> i have both
[00:31] <DarwinElf> but in this case it's similar to this problem: https://askubuntu.com/questions/868002/installation-disk-is-always-uefi
[00:31] <DarwinElf> i built this PC.  I've been doing that for decades.  Don't ask me if I'm sure what CPU I have.  I can probably even find out the revision of the type of CPU
[00:32] <Alabalistic> Sorry man, just first time seeng such a problem
[00:33] <el> the images have been like this for something like over 8 years.
[00:33] <DarwinElf> except unlike the guy with that question on Ask Ubuntu, I have FreeDOS/etc..  I can't simply switch to UEFI
[00:34] <DarwinElf> the PC has both BIOS and UEFI, but a little newer of that type, or maybe the USB flash drive is newer, that they're starting to force you to choose UEFI when it should let you choose
[00:35] <Alabalistic> you setup your wish in the bios
[00:36] <Alabalistic> legacy for MBR or secureboot for uefi
[00:36] <DarwinElf> actually it's not... because the .ISO writes an EFI partition to the USB flash drive, the BIOS won't let the USB flash drive boot in BIOS mode
[00:36] <DarwinElf> if there was a proper alternative ISO, sure, then the BIOS would let it
[00:37] <DarwinElf> more serious operating systems (like older, more experienced computer scientists use) have installers that let you install either way
[00:37] <DarwinElf> but I get it, they're probably not using *ubuntu, so force the users to use what's new & trendy
[00:38] <Alabalistic> I can be wrong, but I'm 100% sure you need to take a step back, and you will find a solution.
[00:38] <DarwinElf> i think I figured out a solution.  Something like the multibootusb package (comes as a .deb) will let you install a generic installer to run the *ubuntu installer in the mode you want
[00:38] <Alabalistic> the answer is in your BIOS setting
[00:39] <Alabalistic> nothing to do with the ISO and canonical, I can assure you MBR is well suported
[00:40] <Alabalistic> such a major standart wont die like that.
[00:40] <DarwinElf> well as I said, regular BIOS won't boot an EFI partition.  The ISO has an EFI parition.  If the ISO had a more advanced installer, it would boot in BIOS or either mode then give you a choice during the setup which mode you want
[00:41] <DarwinElf> maybe on some other BIOS it could boot an EFI partition anyway.  Not this particular one
[00:43] <Alabalistic> what is the hardware
[00:43] <DarwinElf> this BIOS only had three options in the list: boot from SSD or HDD (both in BIOS mode) or from USB UEFI only... no fourth option to boot from USB BIOS mode
[00:43] <Alabalistic> please share
[00:43] <DarwinElf> ASUS P9X79 LE
[00:44] <DarwinElf> i have used it before to boot OSes either way... for example, when you make a disc with Slackware GNU/Linux's superior ISO... you get a choice
[00:44] <DarwinElf> same hardware... of course, that was DVD, not USB
[00:44] <DarwinElf> i've heard it can vary by USB flash drive, some have problems
[00:47] <Alabalistic> interesting
[00:47] <Alabalistic> I wish you luck, I need some sleep
[00:54] <nausetjf> Hello?
[01:40] <DarwinElf> yeah, multibootusb (a .deb) seemed to have fixed my problem.  There's another program out there claiming to be the successor, but it appears only available as an .exe (DOS/Windows)... so don't trust that one... sounds false...
[03:42] <preston> Hello all
[07:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:36] <IrcsomeBot2> lnzva was added by: lnzva
[08:05] <preston> good morning
[08:27] <jericho> hello everyone
[08:28] <lordievader> o/
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[11:56] <user|95997> alguem fala portugues?
[11:57] <lordievader> !portugues
[11:57] <user|95997> estou com um problema com o kubuntu19.04, instalei esses dias
[11:58] <lordievader> !br
[11:58] <user|95997> ok valeu obrigado
[12:10] <user|91102> instalei o kubuntu faz uns 2dias, mas nao quer desligar nem reiniciar alguem sabe o problema, nesse notebook, ja usei varios outros, mas consegui usar normalmente, nesse mesmo pc esta instalado o xubuntu tambem e estou usando normalmente, estou usando o tradutor google, falo portugues, obrigado
[12:11] <user|91102> I installed kubuntu about 2 days ago, but I don’t want to shut down or restart anyone knows the problem, on this notebook, I’ve used several others, but I managed to use it normally, on this same pc xubuntu is installed too and I’m using it normally, I’m using the google translator, I speak portuguese, thanks
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:21] <IrcsomeBot2> daniel9411 was added by: daniel9411
 Hello everyone! since this morning I am having serious problems related to wifi. I see all the networks, but at the time of entering the password confirmation, it tells me that the password is not valid. can you help me please? it is a company pc and i absolutely need wifi as soon as possible. thank you all
[13:30] <cdorin> Hello everyone! Is there anyone that can help me a bit with KMail? Is there any way (hope I am blind) to list subfolders in the order I have in my online webmail client? E.g., now INBOX is on the last position when technically it should be on the first one.
[13:30] <cdorin> Secondly: there is now way I can open kdewallet wallet -> the only way to do that is if i type open it via terminal the kdewallet app + sudo
[13:31] <cdorin> Overall, the experience has been great ! And I am definitely loving the widgets <3 . But those two issues really bother me and hope I can get some help :D
[13:32] <BluesKaj> daniel9411, sounds like you may want to check with your admin, maybe someone there changed the pws without notification
 BluesKaj, nope, i try with my hotspot and it is the same
[13:39] <BluesKaj> cdorin, have you checked system settings>account details>KDE Wallet>Wallet Preferences
 (Photo, 1003x117) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/7osTeoFR/file_22360.jpg BluesKak, there is my log form dmesg
[13:50] <cdorin> Hey BluesKaj, yes
[13:50] <cdorin> KDE wallet subsystem is enabled.
[13:50] <cdorin> I am using at the moment another wallet as the default one (created by me)
[13:51] <cdorin> I can open the ones created by me without any issues. But when I try to open kdewallet wallet, it does not work
[13:51] <cdorin> if i switch to root , kdewallet wallet opens
[13:52] <BluesKaj> cdorin, I found kwallet a pita so I don't bother with it since I'm merely a single home user
[13:52] <BluesKaj> so my knowledge of it is next to none
[13:52] <cdorin> Ah , okok :D . Totally understandable. Was just hoping to use as many KDE apps as possible since qogir-dark looks gorgeous :D
[13:57] <lordievader> daniel19411: what do the logs say about your connection attempts?
 2790.302227] wlp5s0: authenticate with 60:31:97:7c:90:dc … [ 2790.305195] wlp5s0: send auth to 60:31:97:7c:90:dc (try 1/3) … [ 2790.306562] wlp5s0: authenticated … [ 2790.312802] wlp5s0: associate with 60:31:97:7c:90:dc (try 1/3) … [ 2790.315957] wlp5s0: RX AssocResp from 60:31:97:7c:90:dc (capab=0x411 status=0 aid=5) … [ 2790.317919] wlp5s0: associated … [ 2790.329667] wlp5s0: deauthenticating from 60:31:97:7c:90:dc b
[14:00] <IrcsomeBot2> choice (Reason: 1=UNSPECIFIED)
 some time this : [ 2745.836973] wlp5s0: disassociated from 60:31:97:7c:90:db (Reason: 2=PREV_AUTH_NOT_VALID)
[14:02] <lordievader> !paste
[14:03] <lordievader> You've doubled checked all the authentication and encryption settings?
 yes, i check it and it is correct
[14:20] <lordievader> daniel19411: What is the output of sudo lspci -k?
 lordievader, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5ZmH2PB7Qp/
[14:25] <lordievader> Is bluetooth on?
 yes
 and it works fine with my mouse
[14:32] <lordievader> Right, can you connect to the wifi with bluetooh off? (These sometimes interfere with eachother)
 I try it now, but it is the same 😩(((
 can i help me pls?
 @daniel9411, Does the network you're trying to connect to have a MAC filter enabled?  It looks like it's authenticating initially and then getting kicked off.
 @daganmcgregor, Yes but the kde deamon Ask me a password.
 @daniel9411, If a MAC filter is enabled, even if you have the correct password, the network won't let you in if your MAC address isn't in the exception list.
[17:49] <przemo> siemanko
[18:02] <przemo> są tu polacy
[18:02] <przemo> ???
[18:36] <tomreyn> przemo: hi, this channel is english only, but there are many ubuntu channels, surely one for your language as well.
[18:37] <tomreyn> !pl
[18:39] <przemo> pl?
[18:39] <przemo> z kąd
[18:41] <tomreyn> /join #ubuntu-pl
 for this problem, reinstall kubutu (fresh install ) in my laptop of work... it is the same, can you check it pls?
 i need it for work
[21:31] <tomreyn> daniel9411: I don't think it's clear what you're asking there. If you're referring to an earlier discussion, you may want to sum it up again.
 tomreyn, since this morning, I have problems with wifi. practically every time I try to access a network, it asks me to enter a password (KDE Daemon asks me) but I don't understand what password it is, of the wifi or sel wallet (currently disabled to test) but in any case, I don't accesses the network. it looks like some recent updates
[21:50] <tomreyn> daniel9411: i'm not sure whetehr it'S this but be aware that there's a (non visible) timeout when entering the wireless password. I.e. if it takes you more than say 10 seconds to enter passphrase the authentication will definitely fail. To rule this out as a source of the problem I'd copy the password to a text editor (or a password manager), then copy it to the clipboard from there whenever I'm getting to enter it to the network manager
[21:50] <tomreyn> password prompt.
[21:50] <tomreyn> to check which updates were installed since this morning, see the file /var/log/apt/history.log
[21:51] <tomreyn> i mean before this morning
 definitely not that, they are 8 characters and it takes me less than 2 seconds to type them
[21:52] <tomreyn> ok. last but not least there's your system logs. you can keep    journalctl -f    running in a temrinal windows (ctrl-c to exit) to see what's being logged when you submit the password.
 unfortunately I just formatted everything because of this problem. unfortunately it is a company PC and I needed it as soon as possible. however before doing a general update and restarting, everything worked correctly and allowed me to restore everything
[21:54] <tomreyn> based on this theory, it should stop working again when you install updates. give it a try.
 now it's not going. give me 2 seconds and I'll send you the logs
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/aNHhXyiH/file_22429.jpg
 Sorry but i can Copy paste It without internet connection
 Do a search for "failed to set ptk to the driver".  I see several search results referencing that error.
 nope i cant find it...
 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749201
 This looks promising.