[00:00] <pragmaticenigma> ctrlbreak: so lets start with... we get that you're having an issue with DNS... repeating that it's broken isn't going to help a volunteer to know what to propose to help you fix it
[00:01] <pragmaticenigma> ctrlbreak: So start at the beginning... how did you install Ubuntu, are you using desktop or server? How is your network setup? What causes you to perceive that DNS is broken.
[00:01] <pragmaticenigma> I have been running 18.04 for the better part of 2 years and haven't had any DNS issues.
[00:01] <ctrlbreak> Well, it's clearly a known issue based on the limited googling done so far.  Unfortuantely, none of the proposed hacky fixes seem functional.
[00:02] <_Sym_> try cloudflare dns
[00:02] <ctrlbreak> minimal install via netboot.xyz PXE load.  Openssh only package.  Everything installed fine.  Came back a day later... can't resolve anything.
[00:03] <ctrlbreak> nslookup ... test the DHCP/DNS server directly for resolution, works fine.
[00:03] <ctrlbreak> Why doesn't 'netplan' set up DHCP DNS properly?
[00:05] <ctrlbreak> https://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+18.04+netplan+dns+is+broken
[00:06] <ctrlbreak> I'll work through it... I just find it kind of hard to believe.
[00:06] <jeremy31> ctrlbreak: worked fine for me in 18.04
[00:07] <ctrlbreak> I'm happy you weren't impacted.
[00:09] <ctrlbreak> systemd-resolve --status even lists the proper resolvers.
[00:12] <pragmaticenigma> ctrlbreak: this was a secured ssh server you put in there,,, or at least not open to the open Internet?
[00:13] <ctrlbreak> Correct.  I'm ssh'd to it now.  All local subnet communications work.
[00:13] <ctrlbreak> Hmmm... interestingly, I think this actually goes deeper than DNS...
[00:14] <ctrlbreak> it... has... no default route.  What in the...
[00:15] <ctrlbreak> lol... "Looking at /sbin/dhclient-script, if at least one classless static route is provided to the DHCP client, it disregards the router setting, hence no default route set."
[00:15] <ctrlbreak> Yikes.  Why in the world would someone do this?
[00:16] <ctrlbreak> Welp... time to lobotomize a fresh install of Ubuntu.  Apparently it can't handle static routes being pushed to it :-S
[00:17] <jeremy31> ctrlbreak: IP assigned from the router?
[00:19] <pragmaticenigma> guessing the router has defined routes to push, they're not being accepted/recognized by Ubuntu at the moment
[00:19] <pragmaticenigma> jeremy31: I would asume they're pushing a static ip from the router, but don't think that's the issue
[00:32] <ctrlbreak> Yes.  I am.  I'm pushing a small /24 route via DHCP Option 121 to facilitate some funky 'lateral DMZ' movement between 2 subnets via an alternate GW at the moment.  Other OS's don't seem to have a problem with this... but apparently Ubuntu does.
[00:33] <pragmaticenigma> ctrlbreak: at least it appears you have gotten closer to the potential problem there
[00:33] <ctrlbreak> oh for sure.  I just never imagined it would be something this absolutely obscure.
[01:05] <tatertots> ctrlbreak: my Ubuntu DNS works fine
[01:05] <ctrlbreak> k
[01:05] <tatertots> ctrlbreak: maybe your issue is something "localaized" to your environment else all ubuntu users would be echoing your issue
[01:07] <ctrlbreak> More related to some other obscure Ubuntu issue... but there was pretty certainly a DNS issue w/18.04 https://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+18.04+netplan+dns+is+broken
[01:21] <kelbizzle> Anyonoe familiar with multipass, knowo how to rename an instance after it's already been created?
[01:29] <leftyfb> kelbizzle: does this help https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/255
[01:29] <leftyfb> specifically https://github.com/canonical/multipass/issues/255#issuecomment-467993224
[01:34] <rr123_> somehow my 18.04 suddenly had issues from yesterday, when I move my mouse to chrome's bookmark bars, i saw a hint of the name of the bookmark bar(e.g. its URL or title), however some  of them are messed up texts, it's like the text lines overlap each other
[01:35] <rr123_> not all of them though. could this be related to locales? a check about locales turned out to be fine, all en_US.UTF-8
[01:36] <rr123_> changes like this can cause me days to debug :(
[01:36] <rr123_> it's not just chrome, many applications too
[01:37] <kelbizzle> leftyfb I was able to find that. and that does work for creating them initially. Thank you.
[01:38] <kelbizzle> leftyfb I'm trying to avoid having to reconfigure the instance I setup.
[01:38] <kelbizzle> but I will just to have a name that is shorter to type lol. Thanks again.
[02:02] <rr123_> ubuntu 18.04 default x-windows(not wayland) totally messed up text-hints on mouse-over events(mouse over to some menus, for example)
[02:02] <rr123_> wayland can avoid that but will cause other usability issues for me, sucks
[02:07] <ryuo> rr123_: not sure what you're even talking about.
[02:08] <ryuo> tool tips?
[02:16] <rr123_> ryuo: yes
[02:17] <rr123_> the tool tips text messed up 70% of the time
[02:17] <ryuo> sounds like graphical corruption.
[02:17] <ryuo> rr123_: what flavor?
[02:17] <rr123_> tried lightdm, gdm3, now thinking about gnome flashback, strangely, wayland has all tool tips intact
[02:17] <ryuo> ah, regular ubuntu?
[02:17] <rr123_> running gdm3 under regular ubuntu now
[02:17] <ryuo> might be a driver or GPU bug.
[02:18] <ryuo> i've seen that before. graphical corruption before a tooltip fads in on MATE.
[02:18] <rr123_> it occurred since yesterday
[02:18] <rr123_> let me check the graphics driver
[02:18] <ryuo> if it's intel it should be modesetting.
[02:19] <rr123_> driver=radeon
[02:19] <ryuo> radeon? your GPU is AMD?
[02:20] <rr123_> i believe so
[02:20] <rr123_> i think it might be recent kernel update caused this
[02:20] <ryuo> are you using the HWE stack?
[02:20] <rr123_> i was reminded need a reboot, i rebooted, then got this
[02:20] <ryuo> iirc, it switched to the 5.3.x kernel recently.
[02:20] <rr123_> i don't think i'm using HWE
[02:21] <rr123_> 5.3.0-26-generic
[02:21] <ryuo> that's HWE.
[02:21] <ryuo> try booting the 5.0 kerne that should still be installed.
[02:21] <ryuo> you can get that option from grub2 if you interrupt the boot
[02:21] <ryuo> try pressing esc or other keys during bootu
[02:21] <rr123_> dpkg -l | grep -i hwe
[02:21] <ryuo> bootup
[02:22] <rr123_> linux-generic-hwe-18.04                            5.3.0.26.95
[02:22] <ryuo> yea, that's HWE.
[02:22] <rr123_> i think i might be using hwe
[02:22] <ryuo> the original kernel for bionic was 4.15
[02:22] <rr123_> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-18.04                19.0.1-1~18.04.1
[02:22] <ryuo> rr123_: like i said, try booting an older kernel.
[02:23] <rr123_> ok let me try
[02:23] <ryuo> if that fixes  it, then it's some kind of kernel regression.
[02:23] <rr123_> let me try, be back soon
[02:23] <rr123_> thanks!
[02:25] <r416a> hey guys I just converted to Raid 1 and now I cant do apt upgrade. Im getting this error https://pastebin.com/e1LgJx9f
[02:25] <rr123_> just rebooted, 5.0.0-37 old kernel does not help, strange
[02:26] <ryuo> rr123_: it could be a userspace stack issue.
[02:26] <rr123_> i only have two kernels around somehow
[02:26] <ryuo> rr123_: though i'm out of ideas.
[02:26] <ryuo> rr123_: is this a ryzen system?
[02:26] <rr123_> xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-video-ati-hwe-18.04 ...there are so many xorg-videos drivers, not sure which one I'm using and how can I choose
[02:27] <ryuo> r416a: i'd try removing that old kernel.
[02:27] <ryuo> r416a: apt autoremove --purge -y linux-image-4.15.0-70-generic
[02:27] <ryuo> rr123_: assuming you have a newer kernel available.
[02:27] <ryuo> r416a: ^
[02:28] <rr123_> it worked fine until yesterday :(
[02:28] <ryuo> rr123_: what is the machine in question?
[02:28] <rr123_> just checked grub yes I have lots of kernel inside grub.cfg
[02:28] <rr123_> dell x8300 i7, an old model
[02:28] <ryuo> oh, that's good.
[02:28] <r416a> ryuo: how do I check if I have a newer kernel? I've never had to deal with anything like this before.
[02:29] <ryuo> r416a: uname -a
[02:29] <r416a> Im also new to linux
[02:29] <ryuo> rr123_: well, i have a suggestion. your machine is so old you don't need HWE. i'd suggest reinstalling from an earlier release of your flavor that doesn't use HWE. that should clear it up.
[02:30] <ryuo> 18.04.1 or so
[02:30] <ryuo> you can just do a full dist-upgrade to get caught up after.
[02:30] <r416a> ryuo: I have 4.15.0-72 and its trying to upgrade 4.15.0-70. I assume I'm ok to remove it?
[02:30] <rr123_> too many content in use i will live with the messed up of tooltips for now until 20.04 is out then, probably with a new machine too
[02:31] <rr123_> thanks for the help
[02:31] <ryuo> r416a: just remove the -70 version. that should clear it up.
[02:31] <ryuo> r416a: though fyi, i wouldn't suggest trying to convert an existing installation from one type to another after installation unless you're very familiar with how linux works.
[02:32] <ryuo> r416a: there's a lot that can go wrong if you don't know what you're doing.
[02:32] <ryuo> improper permissions among other things.
[02:32] <rr123_> always backup, or try it inside virtualbox first
[02:33] <r416a> ryuo: im getting this error trying to remove it.
[02:33] <r416a> ryuo: https://pastebin.com/SaP730A0
[02:33] <ryuo> rr123_: I have a lattitude E5530 i maxed out.
[02:33] <ryuo> rr123_: it works fine with the 4.15 kernel.
[02:33] <ryuo> :)
[02:33] <ryuo> and it's ivy bridge. ancient.
[02:34] <ryuo> 16G RAM
[02:34] <ryuo> r416a: oh, that bugger.
[02:35] <ryuo> r416a: this must be a server. that package isn't included with anything else.
[02:35] <ryuo> r416a: what's your bootloader? grub2? if so you should just remove that extraneous grub.
[02:36] <ryuo> apt autoremove --purge -y grub-legacy-ec2
[02:36] <ryuo> it's only useful if you're using ec2.
[02:40] <r416a> ryuo: I think I have something messed up with my partitions. I was trying to find what bootloader I have and it says one of my drives has a corrupt gpt table. My mdadm raid partition is fine though... I believe I have grub 2 though.
[02:40] <ryuo> ok..
[02:40] <ryuo> you probably corrupted the backup GPT.
[02:41] <ryuo> that's quite likely if you're not familiar with mdadm. it can store its metadata in the same place the backup GPT is stored.
[02:42] <WoC> is there an iso (1910) for legacy bios use ? (if so, please prove a download url ?
[02:43] <WoC> 19.10 that is
[02:43] <ryuo> WoC: ubuntu ISOs are hybrids. the same one that's good for UEFI is good for BIOS.
[02:43] <WoC> ok, i'll try the 18.04
[02:43] <r416a> ryuo: well everything besides not being able to upgrade seems to be working and when I do mdadm --detail the raid it all good.
[02:43] <WoC> the 19.10 no-go
[02:43] <ryuo> WoC: what's the issue?
[02:43] <WoC> Won't boot it
[02:44] <ryuo> WoC: what hardware?
[02:44] <WoC> doesnt identify it as bootable
[02:44] <WoC> legacy bios amd64, msi
[02:44] <ryuo> uh... how did you prepare the media?
[02:45] <WoC> dd
[02:45] <ryuo> so, usb key.
[02:45] <WoC> Aye
[02:45] <WoC> Same boots on a uefi machine, no issues
[02:45] <ryuo> did you try other usb ports?
[02:46] <ryuo> you said it doesn't even show up. that could be for many reasons.
[02:46] <WoC> This booted other things,. same port, same key
[02:46] <ryuo> i don't know then. it should boot.
[02:46] <WoC> Aye
[02:46] <ryuo> but this is partly why i bought an iodd2531...
[02:47] <WoC> there is a way to use grub to boot it, but i dont recall
[02:47] <ryuo> i've found CD/DVD media to be more reliable.
[02:47] <ryuo> iodd2531 lets me simulate the ISO media as a virtual drive.
[02:47] <ryuo> no burning required.
[02:47] <ryuo> but yea
[02:47] <ryuo> sorry it's not working out for you.
[02:47] <ryuo> but
[02:47] <ryuo> there's no bios only media.
[02:47] <ryuo> it's all unified so it should work.
[02:48] <WoC> ok
[02:48] <WoC> Trying the netboot iso as well
[02:48] <ryuo> did you try using a different usb flash drive?
[02:48] <ryuo> sometimes changing up the hardware helps.
[02:49] <WoC> 'll try that next, after the netboot iso
[02:50] <WoC> ty
[02:57] <r416a> So Im running mdadm raid one with two drives of different sizes. I have a partition on the bigger drive that is the same size as the smaller drive and then mdadm uses the partition and the whole smaller drive to make the raid. when I do fdisk -l I get this https://pastebin.com/7qmkfsnz and it says the smaller drives primary gpt table is corrupt. Looking at the raid, it seems fine https://pastebin.com/K0e3eu4A
[03:00] <jmadero> what directory are launchers stored again?
[03:00]  * jmadero always forgets
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> usr/share/applications i think
[03:01] <jmadero> perfect, thanks
[03:19] <ducasse> ryuo: iirc the mini iso is only set up for legacy boot, not uefi, unless that has changed recently
[03:34] <HiddenDjinn> just out of curiosity, have dvd's been phased out of uefi as a secure boot method?
[03:38] <DarwinElf> Ubuntu apparently installed CPU microcode.  I did not want that.  It's like if you buy a cookbook, that doesn't give the writer the right to come to your house and cook a recipe with your food without asking
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> DarwinElf: this isnt the complaints channel
[03:38] <DarwinElf> ok, well how do I revert back to the old CPU microcode.  That's the problem
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> stick to ubuntu support questions please
[03:39] <DarwinElf> it is one
[03:39] <DarwinElf> Ubuntu installed that, now I want it reverted
[03:40] <DarwinElf> if Intel made changes that prevent the Mangement Engine Cleaner (me cleaner) from working then this microcode shouldn't have been installed.  You didn't have permission
[03:40] <ryuo> HiddenDjinn: why would they? that would also hinder installing windows.
[03:41] <ryuo> DarwinElf: microcode applied by Ubuntu is not permanent. what are you looking to do?
[03:41] <ryuo> DarwinElf: revert to BIOS' microcode?
[03:41] <DarwinElf> because removing Ubuntu's microcode package probably isn't enough.  Where do you store people's old microcode... or was that not taken into account?  I merely want to revert to the state before that package was installed without permission
[03:42] <DarwinElf> it's not BIOS microcode, it's CPU microcode
[03:42] <ryuo> ...
[03:42] <HiddenDjinn> ryuo, actually, on this pc, when secureboot is enabled, it refuses to read the dvd
[03:42] <DarwinElf> those are separate
[03:42] <ryuo> DarwinElf: yes, but it can be uploaded by either the BIOS or the OS.
[03:42] <DarwinElf> the BIOS code is on the system-/logic-/main-/mother-board.  The CPU microcode is on the CPU of any CPU that you install in that system-board
[03:43] <ryuo> ... nevermind, you're not listening.
[03:43] <DarwinElf> no, you aren't
[03:43] <ryuo> right.
[03:43] <DarwinElf> i'm not talking about flashing the BIOS (which is in the BIOS chip.)  I'm talking about reverting CPU microcode (which is in the CPU, not in the BIOS chip.  BIOS has zero to do with this)
[03:44] <ryuo> and you don't know what you're talking about. the BIOS typically also contains microcode to upload a newer microcode during CPU initialization.
[03:45] <DarwinElf> if I removed the CPU and put it in a different board with a different BIOS... it's still the CPU code I need to change back
[03:45] <ryuo> so if you wish to revert, you can either downgrade the package and then pin it, or remove it entirely.
[03:45] <zykotick9> DarwinElf: https://superuser.com/questions/935217/how-is-microcode-loaded-to-processor
[03:45] <DarwinElf> it doesn't matter that the BIOS is capable of doing it
[03:45] <ryuo> ...
[03:45] <HiddenDjinn> the cpu is initialized with microcode each boot...the bios sends its microcode on boot, ubuntu sends its microcode at load
[03:45] <ryuo> what is wrong with you? microcode updates aren't permanent.
[03:46] <DarwinElf> alright, so that's what I needed to know
[03:46] <ryuo> the only permanent one of any sort is the BIOS one.
[03:46] <HiddenDjinn> i'm sure microsoft does the same with windows
[03:47] <ryuo> HiddenDjinn: am I bad at explaining or something?
[03:47] <HiddenDjinn> ryuo, no, i'm just good at breaking it down a little further
[06:45] <dataviruset> I can connect to any Wi-Fi networks except for my company corporate Wi-Fi. Running Ubuntu 19.10. Wi-Fi chip: Broadcom BCM4350, but I tried with other USB Wi-Fi adapters as well. Any clue why or how I should proceed with debugging? Getting this error message in /var/log/syslog: ctrl-event-assoc-reject bssid=00:00:00:00:00:00 status_code=16
[06:50] <tatertots> dataviruset: timing out...consult your corporate IT for assistance
[06:50] <ryuo> could they be using mac address filters?
[06:51] <tatertots> dataviruset: or just use a windows PC or macbook like everyone else
[06:51] <tatertots> dataviruset: you'll need to consult corp IT in any event if you attempt to proceed to use the corporate network
[06:52] <dataviruset> I asked them, they said they didn't have any filters. I am using a MacBook actually, but with Ubuntu
[06:53] <tatertots> dataviruset: have you tried to connect any other non corporate managed or owned devices to the corporate network?
[06:53] <dataviruset> yes, my phone, and it works :D
[06:55] <tatertots> dataviruset: you've used two different WLAN/wireless adapters unsuccessfully, the common denominator being your macbook with ubuntu installed...you'll probably want to see if you can hand it over to corporate IT and let them get it connected
[06:57] <tatertots> dataviruset: have you tried connecting via a cable/wire?
[06:58] <dataviruset> Sure, they might even have some clues in their access point controller logs. The problem is that I'm the only one running Ubuntu in the office so they kinda don't support it. I have a colleague running Debian but with other hardware and it works. Right now I'm connected to my phone via USB, using it as a Wi-Fi-to-wired router hehe
[07:04] <eviv3999> Hi, I have a tech question here
[07:04] <eviv3999> I have Ubuntu on my device,  at some point in the last 24 hours or so, it appears my hard drive
[07:04] <eviv3999> Became unseated
[07:05] <eviv3999> So my Lenovo laptop showed HDD0 not found. I unscrewed it and was able to push it back into place.  It now boots except:
[07:05] <eviv3999> On startup/shutdown I keep seeing /dev/sda xxxx blocks clean
[07:05] <eviv3999> xxx files something
[07:05] <eviv3999> also every few min I see a weird system error
[07:06] <tatertots> that's expected
[07:06] <tatertots> weird error isn't enough detail to make head or tails of anything but you're able to use the ubuntu system so it's not a show stopper
[07:06] <eviv3999> Right
[07:07] <eviv3999> I don't have super important data or anything.  Is it likely the OS was corrupted?
[07:07] <eviv3999> It's not a very specifc error.  unexpected error, send report?
[07:08] <dmt`> why dont you run testdisk/lifeguardtools to be sure?
[07:08] <eviv3999> I checked journalctl and it looks like it's xorg.gnome.shell
[07:08] <eviv3999> Actually, I should be more specific I guess What tools DO what for me
[07:09] <eviv3999> I tried Ubuntu repair filesystem.  It says it's undamged after like 3 seconds
[07:09] <tatertots> carry on business as usual
[07:10] <eviv3999> @tatertots You think so?
[07:10] <eviv3999> I'm guessing the machine was asleep when this happened. (I am guessing someone may have dropped it while I was at work)
[07:10] <tatertots> secure your drive in your laptop as to not repeat the same thing in the future
[07:12] <tatertots> if you consider your system important then you should have a back up for disaster recovery purposes
[07:12] <eviv3999> I don't have anything important that's not backed up really.
[07:12] <tatertots> if you don't have a back up and elect to not make a back up after experiencing this incident ...your system isn't important
[07:13] <eviv3999> Most of my "important " files live in cloud or on work machines/servers
[07:15] <eviv3999> I've been trying to run fsck (is that the same thing that runs in the Gnome GUI when I right click the partition and "check"?
[07:18] <tatertots> the system already ran fsck on it's own and it's currently "undamaged"
[07:19] <eviv3999> I see.
[07:19] <tatertots> you can run it again manually but you'll probably continue to see "undamaged"
[07:20] <eviv3999> trying to run it manually from the OS doesn't work (filesystem mounted) trying from a live USB boot yields "fsck from util-linux 2.31.1" and nothing more
[07:22] <eviv3999> What do you recommend I do about the recurring pop up?
[07:23] <eviv3999> I am mainly using this machine for continuing education.
[07:24] <TXC> eviv3999: google and you shall find.
[07:25] <TXC> eviv3999: "pve nag" *hint*
[07:26] <eviv3999> Googling revealed to me that deleting the /var/errors entry would prevent issues (not necessarily the right name) I did that.  It seems the error came back
[07:31] <TXC> eviv3999: ohh, i thougth it was the subscription popup when you logging into the webinterface. sorry.
[07:37] <eviv3999> I would guess my other question would be in a technical sense would an SSD getting disconnected be highly likely to cause permanent damage?
[08:27] <jackhum> guys can i reinstall my 18.04 on my existing 18.04 using usb iso image ?
[08:27] <jackhum> without losing applications, program and data ?. i mean just reinstall os level files etc and dont touch my apps?
[08:28] <FingerlessGloves> Whats not working?
[08:30] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: fn keys , volume up and down , brightness control was not working earlier but i fixed it by doing some grub changes . i just tried running virtualbox and i got kernel driver not installed , according to pragmaticenigma , even though my upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 was done successfully still i lost some crucial files etc, which is causing this problem
[08:30] <littlekimmy> hey
[08:30] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: Is it possible to reinstall everything without losing softwares data etc
[08:31] <littlekimmy> I did GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=90 and uncommented grub_timeout but still it's not hidden
[08:31] <littlekimmy> update-grub as well i did
[08:31] <jackhum> also , i want to know what is the correct way of making backups? do i need to use some software ? or should i make a whole partition backup?
[08:32] <FingerlessGloves> jackhum, probably just missing kernel package.
[08:32] <FingerlessGloves> jackhum, do apt purge virtualbox-* and then install it again
[08:33] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: but what about my fn key problem/
[08:33] <FingerlessGloves> I thought you fixed that?
[08:33] <littlekimmy> GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true what does true mean here
[08:34] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: nope , i jumped my kernel version to 5 and still i am getting nothing
[08:34] <FingerlessGloves> Oh did you jump to HWE kernel?
[08:34] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: its not like all fn keys function are not working , but brightness up down and volume up down doesnt work
[08:35] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: trackpad disable and lock os and change display profile does work
[08:35] <FingerlessGloves> You using normal Ubuntu desktop or are you using a different distro
[08:35] <FingerlessGloves> Like Ubuntu Mate
[08:35] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: so i am thinking its not related to fn key completely , its due to maybe hardware incompatibility
[08:36] <FingerlessGloves> If it worked in 16.04 it should work in 18.03
[08:36] <FingerlessGloves> 18.04*
[08:36] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: i was using 16.04 since years with unity , but then i upgraded to 18.04 with gnome and i started facing problem
[08:36] <FingerlessGloves> Ah
[08:36] <FingerlessGloves> wonder if going to Gnome threw it out.
[08:36] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: gnome even get stuck on my system , i get few seconds of functional gnome session and then everything freezes, i  used top command to find cpu usage and i found it was about 100%
[08:36] <FingerlessGloves> Might have to reinstall, which sucks.
[08:37] <jackhum> then i installed unity , and atleast unity is functional but fn keys are not working again
[08:37] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: tbh i want unity so badly
[08:38] <FingerlessGloves> I don't believe there is a way to reinstall keeping applications. Some people use the "apt list --installed" command to know what they had installed. But you wouldn't want to blanket install all that list on a new install
[08:39] <jackhum> this is sort of my problem https://askubuntu.com/questions/1030060/freeze-after-login-ubuntu-18-04
[08:40] <FingerlessGloves> As for data, all programs should be storing their data in /home/{youruser}. If thats in a different partition, that makes life easy. Otherwise just "rsync -ap /home/ /mnt/usb/" your home folder to a ext4 formatted USB.
[08:40] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: apart from that on gdm3 touchpad touch click doesnt work on login screen
[08:40] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: but click buttons do work
[08:40] <FingerlessGloves> how annoying
[08:40] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: can i make a complete partition clone using clonezilla ?
[08:41] <FingerlessGloves> Yeah you can :-)
[08:41] <FingerlessGloves> Done it many times
[08:41] <FingerlessGloves> Device-Image.
[08:41] <FingerlessGloves> also do my rsync idea for hte home folder, to keep SSH keys, browser data etc.
[08:42] <FingerlessGloves> Then you can reinstalled, "rsync -ap /mnt/usb/ /home/" copy the data back. and then install the packages your missing say Chrome GIMP etc.
[08:42] <FingerlessGloves> "rsync -ap" will copy all folders and folder, their owner and permissions
[08:43] <FingerlessGloves> The UID of your current user and the UID you'll get when you reinstall should be the same. As the first user is always 1000
[08:46] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: also i think i am not able to logout from gnome session. When i do logout it freezes forever
[08:47] <FingerlessGloves> Yeah that's really buggered
[08:47] <jackhum> Fn + lock key do work and i get lock screen but i dont think i can logout
[08:47] <FingerlessGloves> Throw it out the window xD
[08:47] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: kek, no i need to fix this
[08:48] <FingerlessGloves> I'm starting to think reinstall would be ALOT easier, so many different issues going on.
[08:48] <FingerlessGloves> Maybe wait in here a little while before doing anything, incase someone knows how to fix the issues.
[08:50] <jackhum> FingerlessGloves: is there anyway to find logs when i hit logout
[08:50] <littlekimmy> hi
[08:50] <littlekimmy> I did GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden
[08:50] <jackhum> why does it get stuck forever
[08:50] <littlekimmy> but grub menu still shows and time set to 5 seconds
[08:50] <jackhum> Upgrade grub?
[08:50] <littlekimmy> I have os-prober and arch linux install too
[08:51] <FingerlessGloves> jackhum, I hardly mess with the desktop side of Linux. I still have to use Windows, to play my games. :-(
[08:51] <littlekimmy> I did update-grub
[08:51] <FingerlessGloves> Love to help but my knolwedge doesn't strech that far.
[08:51] <littlekimmy> this ubuntu is buggy
[08:51] <littlekimmy> 19.04
[08:52] <FingerlessGloves> littlekimmy, 19.10 is out
[08:52] <littlekimmy> bug is in os-prober or some script
[08:52] <littlekimmy> FingerlessGloves: but that too is buggy
[08:52] <FingerlessGloves> littlekimmy, use 18.04?
[08:52] <littlekimmy> it's behaving as expected. FingerlessGloves that too
[08:53] <littlekimmy> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1182164/ubuntu-19-10-grub-not-shown
[08:53] <FingerlessGloves> Do you see 5 seconds countdown or are you counting yourself
[09:03] <littlekimmy> does changing the order of variables in /etc/default/grub have an impact
[09:07] <littlekimmy> hello
[09:07] <littlekimmy> I tried I set it to hidden and update-grub; but it still shows the menu
[09:07] <littlekimmy> I have os-prober
[09:07] <littlekimmy> and other os
[09:10] <littlekimmy> hi
[09:11] <littlekimmy> ~https://termbin.com/utuq
[09:11] <littlekimmy> https://termbin.com/utuq
[09:13] <littlekimmy> it timesout after 5 sec EVEN though in the file there is no 5 sec, it's 9 sec is what I set
[09:13] <littlekimmy> so clearly sth is buggy
[09:13] <littlekimmy> os-prober is messing up, can I disable os-prober without removing it ?
[09:13] <jeremy31> littlekimmy: that is what os-prober does when it finds multiple OSs
[09:14] <littlekimmy> but you admit that ubuntu is buggy
[09:14] <littlekimmy> grub is not behaving as expected
[09:19] <EdFletcherT137> grubuntu
[09:25] <littlekimmy> hi
[09:25] <littlekimmy> after removing os-prober it behaves as expected
[09:26] <littlekimmy> so I guess good bye other OS
[09:26] <littlekimmy> lol so where exactly is the bug, in ubuntu ? or os-prober
[09:28] <jeremy31> littlekimmy: the line you added the 9 second timeout started with a #, so it is ignored
[09:31] <littlekimmy> but still it didn't go the hidden timeout thing
[09:31] <littlekimmy> and the reason I commented it is because either timeout or hidden_timeout -they are mutually exclusive
[09:32] <jeremy31> littlekimmy: /etc/default/grub needs GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu
[09:32] <littlekimmy> no menu
[09:33] <littlekimmy> hidden or countdown is what i need
[09:33] <jeremy31> littlekimmy: did you use GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
[09:33] <littlekimmy> I just removed that
[09:34] <littlekimmy> apt remove os-prober, it's the same thing
[09:34] <jeremy31> then update-grub
[09:38] <littlekimmy> if grub password is used, can it be bypassed without using live USB
[09:39] <littlekimmy> I'd like to put password of course live usb can bypass those
[09:41] <FingerlessGloves> littlekimmy, use LUKS encryption to protect your data, but does require it to be selected during installation
[09:42] <FingerlessGloves> There's a tick box during the installation wizard
[09:44] <littlekimmy> FingerlessGloves: not data
[09:44] <littlekimmy> I will use that but first just for booting protection
[09:45] <FingerlessGloves> Use a BIOS password.
[09:45] <FingerlessGloves> Normally called User Password, so the machine won't boot unless the User Password is entered
[09:45] <aaran> Hi, I am trying to use wpa_supplicant to auto connect to a hotspot at boot, it worked in the past but is refusing to work since I updated to Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS, when I check the service status it shows as active but there are errors, https://paste.ee/p/ncASs
[09:46] <FingerlessGloves> Supervisor password is a term for protecting the BIOS settings from unauthorised access.
[09:46] <FingerlessGloves> But to be honest, with LUKS it's going to prompt you for the password to unlock the disk anyway. So in my eyes it basicly pointless trying to protect the machine booting. As they can just throw the disk in another system say.
[09:47] <littlekimmy> hi
[09:47] <FingerlessGloves> Normally called User Password, so the machine won't boot unless the User Password is entered
[09:47] <FingerlessGloves> Supervisor password is a term for protecting the BIOS settings from unauthorised access.
[09:47] <FingerlessGloves> But to be honest, with LUKS it's going to prompt you for the password to unlock the disk anyway. So in my eyes it basicly pointless trying to protect the machine booting. As they can just throw the disk in another system say.
[09:47] <littlekimmy> GRUB_FORCE_HIDDEN_MENU="true" in arch wiki but where is that option couldn't find it
[09:52] <aaran> any advice?
[09:56] <tatertots> aaran: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[09:57] <aaran> another computer, I am ssh'd into the other machine which is currently connected via ethernet
[09:58] <tatertots> aaran: you are connected to the computer with the problem via ssh and it's hardwired because it wouldn't connect automatically to wifi correct?
[09:58] <aaran> yes
[09:59] <tatertots> aaran: inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:00] <tatertots> aaran: issue the command above..it'll instruct you to install it if you don't have it ...paste url/link here
[10:02] <aaran> sent directly to you
[10:04] <tatertots> aaran: nmcli c s|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:05] <tatertots> aaran: issue the command above..share url/link
[10:05] <aaran> https://termbin.com/9pex
[10:06] <tatertots> aaran: sudo rfkill list|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:07] <tatertots> aaran: issue the command above..share url/link
[10:07] <aaran> https://termbin.com/9ji2
[10:07] <ojnoc> hi e1
[10:08] <tatertots> aaran: nmcli d w|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:09] <aaran> https://termbin.com/eboz
[10:11] <tatertots> aaran: sudo ip link set wlan0 up
[10:11] <ojnoc> i would like to read a few books about networking(to learn) So far as Linux is concerned are there any caveats i should considering/mindful of? any recommendations? thanks in advance
[10:11] <tatertots> aaran: did you see error?
[10:11] <aaran> no
[10:12] <tatertots> aaran: nmcli d w|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:12] <aaran> https://termbin.com/q5he
[10:13] <tatertots> aaran: journalctl|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:13] <tatertots> wait
[10:14] <tatertots> aaran: journalctl -p 4|nc termbin.com 9999
[10:14] <aaran> sent directly however I found a post that is suggesting that it could be NetworkManager interfering with  systemd-networkd, does that sound like a possibility?
[10:20] <tatertots> Jan 21 09:49:53 MoChris32 wpa_supplicant[17581]: nl80211: Could not set interface 'p2p-dev-wlan0' UP
[10:52] <marz_d`ghostman> I have /home/user/.local/lib/python3.5/site-packages/, but I can't find the corresponding binary for it. Where can I find it?
[11:34] <marc|gonzalez> Hello everyone! According to /etc/lsb-release, I'm using "Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS" and according to uname -r, I'm running 4.15.0-70-generic.  I've never been able to get suspend-to-RAM ("Suspend") to work on this desktop, so I thought I might try a more recent kernel.
[11:35] <marc|gonzalez> On my other system, kernel was automatically upgraded to 5.3 a few days ago. But on this one, I seem to be on a more conservative upgrade path
[11:35] <marc|gonzalez> How/where do I choose which kernel version to use?
[11:36] <jeremy31> marc|gonzalez: might want to check for BIOS updates first
[11:36] <marc|gonzalez> OK, that makes sense.
[11:37] <marc|gonzalez> It's a Dell workstation... I hope I don't need windows to apply BIOS updates.
[11:38] <tatertots> never know until you try
[11:40] <ojnoc> i had to run windows again when updating my bios no matter what i did couldnt find all the files
[11:44] <marc|gonzalez> OK, will check if there are any BIOS updates
[11:45] <tatertots> most of the time you'll have to run Windows / Dos to update bios on desktop/laptop/workstations
[11:46] <ojnoc> tatertots, your everywhere man groovy
[11:46] <ojnoc> ;)
[11:52] <ojnoc> marc|gonzalez, ntt sure where ur at in your mission (make a backup before you try anything-test that it works) https://phoenixnap.com/kb/how-to-update-kernel-ubuntu
[11:54] <ojnoc> shows how to update kernel with a program with a gui
[11:54] <ojnoc> ukuu
[11:54] <marc|gonzalez> do you guys confirm that there are two active kernels for the 18.04 release?
[11:54] <marc|gonzalez> I have one computer on 5.3 and one on 4.15
[11:55] <ojnoc> 5.3.0-26-generic im standard ubuntu
[11:55] <ojnoc> 5.3.0-26-generic #28~18.04.1-Ubuntu
[12:06] <jil> hello
[12:08] <ojnoc> jil, hi
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:16] <jil> hello ojnoc
[12:30] <tatertots> ojnoc: ....shhh i'm probably a few places where i'm hated lol
[12:36] <kubast2> right I didn't run apt update I forgot
[12:37] <kubast2> now I should have deb-src
[12:37] <kubast2> yep
[12:37] <kubast2> build-dep works now
[12:38] <kubast2> I was about to ask if ports.ubuntu can work with build-dep /deb-src but it turns out I didn't update my repos after adding deb-src
[12:38] <kubast2> thx
[13:46] <iATR> Good morning all!
[13:46] <bviktor> soo any good reason why ubuntu "upgrades" (read: breaks) my amd64 samba-common package with an arm64 samba-common package?
[13:46] <bviktor> just becase it's a newer version...
[13:46] <bviktor> in the process also removing samba-common-bin
[13:48] <pragmaticenigma> bviktor: What does "uname -a" return?
[13:49] <bviktor> no, i'm not on arm64
[13:49] <bviktor> Linux adas117linux 5.4.0-9-generic #12-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 16 22:34:19 UTC 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:50] <bviktor> i think apt is just this dumb that if it happens to be a security upgrade, that simply overrides the architecture or something.
[13:50] <ioria> that's focal
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> yep 20.04 kernel
[13:50] <bviktor> yes.
[13:51] <bviktor> since the 3900x crashes constantly on the bionic kernel. not that it matters, happens on other comps without the focal kernel.
[13:52] <pragmaticenigma> bviktor: if you're on 20.04... it's best to bring that up in the #ubuntu+1 channel
[13:52] <bviktor> i'm (still) not on focal
[13:52] <bviktor> so maybe don't confuse yourself with irrelevant info
[13:52] <bviktor> i only installed the focal kernel for the reason mentioned above
[13:52] <bviktor> anything else... it's still very much 18.04 AND it happens on other bionic comps without the focal kernel
[13:52] <bviktor> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TRDg2Q99QT/
[13:53] <bviktor> i'd very much expect this to install the amd64 package on an amd64 machine
[13:53] <marc|gonzalez> bviktor: are you saying that if I try to install samba-common on 18.04, apt will install the arm64 version?
[13:55] <bviktor> exactly. just tested on another comp without the focal hack i have
[13:55] <bviktor> sources.list in a second
[13:55] <bviktor> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/n62WjPfbJS/
[13:55] <bviktor> ^ like so
[13:56] <bviktor> then simply `apt install samba-common`
[13:56] <BigBrothyr> is there something I could do to make a media remote function better? at the moment, play/pause, next/back, volume control doesn't work.
[13:58] <bviktor> i'm fairly certain there's a messed-up if-else in the scripts, as this samba-common package is a security update, with a higher version number, and somehow this happens to override the arch mismatch
[13:58] <ryuo> bviktor: 'all' packages are installed for all architectures?
[13:59] <ryuo> it shouldn't have any architecture specific files.
[13:59] <ryuo> hm.
[14:00] <marc|gonzalez> bviktor: I don't think I'm seeing the same behavior on my system: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/YYGmnDCyvf/
[14:00] <marc|gonzalez> Inst samba-common-bin (2:4.7.6+dfsg~ubuntu-0ubuntu2.14 Ubuntu:18.04/bionic-updates, Ubuntu:18.04/bionic-security [amd64])
[14:02] <bviktor> ryuo, i'm not sure i understand the question. how does one install "all" packages?
[14:02] <bviktor> anyhow, samba-common is indeed arch-independent, but samba-common-bin isn't and it depends on samba-common. so it upgrades samba-common to the latest (arm64) package and removes samba-common-bin as it depends on a previous version
[14:02] <ryuo> bviktor: it's a meta-architecture. in source packages, 'all' is a package that is only built once because it's the same for all architectures. usually data files.
[14:03] <ryuo> bviktor: fonts, themes, etc.
[14:04] <ryuo> bviktor: 'any' is used for architecture specific packages but are compatible with any architecture
[14:05] <JimBuntu> marc|gonzalez: Do you have the arm64 references in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[14:05] <pragmaticenigma> bviktor: I believe that what you are encountering is unique to how you have configured your systems to obtain the kernel you're working with. I don't see a bug, I have samba-config-bin on my system and it's currently up-to-date as an amd64 build
[14:06] <marc|gonzalez> with samba-common-bin: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/mhXGWGgdgT/
[14:07] <marc|gonzalez> JimBuntu: no references at all to any architecture whatsoever
[14:07] <JimBuntu> marc|gonzalez: Ok, that's normal, however apt is supposed to use the arch= reference to know which items apply
[14:07] <JimBuntu> marc|gonzalez: That is also why it didn't even try to install arm64 on your machine, it had no reference to them.
[14:08] <marc|gonzalez> JimBuntu: do you want to see the full /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[14:09] <JimBuntu> marc|gonzalez: I don't think there is any need... I bet yours starts with 'deb' and then immediately proceeds to the URL for the repo... or starts with deb-src and does the same.
[14:09] <marc|gonzalez> apart from the comments, it's just  6lines
[14:10] <bviktor> pragmaticenigma, nope, happens on other comps without the focal hack
[14:10] <bviktor> already explained this
[14:11] <bviktor> ryuo, already explained that the problem is the samba-common-bin package relying on the samba-common package, not the samba-common package on its own
[14:11] <pragmaticenigma> bviktor: you just said the think I'm pointing out... you've "hacked" your setup, and now something is broken.. It stands to reason that something in your "hack" is causing the behavior
[14:12] <pragmaticenigma> No one else is experiencing that issue
[14:12] <bviktor> pragmaticenigma, i'm telling you the third time now: i can reproduce this ON OTHER COMPUTERS WITHOUT FOCAL KERNEL
[14:13] <marc|gonzalez> bviktor: it is important that you can reproduce, but you surely understand that it is also important that others can independently reproduce to find a proper fix
[14:13] <bviktor> maybe it wont happen with --simulate
[14:14] <bviktor> will try with vanilla install soon
[14:14] <marc|gonzalez> bviktor: if you can reproduce in a VM with a vanilla install, that is surely a "smoking gun"
[14:18] <badcloud_> Is there some way to control the size of a single desktop icon via terminal?
[14:19] <oerheks> badcloud_, not really
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> badcloud_: If it is a .desktop file that links to the executable, I think there is a way to set which icon to display, and possibly at what size.
[14:20] <badcloud_> It is
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> badcloud_: Though, desktop icons are being phased out by Gnome, it's uncertain if Ubuntu will provide an extention by default that will re-enable that functionality
[14:20] <badcloud_> So it might be in the Icon field
[14:20] <oerheks> just use your mouse, and drag?
[14:21]  * oerheks always why people do it the hard way
[14:21] <badcloud_> oerheks I need it automated...
[14:21] <pragmaticenigma> why automated?
[14:21] <oerheks> interesting
[14:22] <badcloud_> It's on computers used by multiple users who all need to see the icon clearly
[14:22] <badcloud_> By multiple users I mean hundreds
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> badcloud_: Right, but we're not understanding why automated part...
[14:23] <oerheks> sure, hundreds...
[14:23] <badcloud_> Well, if I click and stretch it myself, it will only stay that size for me, no?
[14:24] <badcloud_> It doesn't write anything to the .desktop file
[14:24] <pragmaticenigma> badcloud_: Do you mean to deploy the setting? there really isn't a programmable mechanism. The best I could offer is craft the .desktop file. Then automate the deployment to copy that .desktop file into the other machines/accounts
[14:25] <badcloud_> Sounds good :)
[14:25] <badcloud_> Thanks
[14:30] <badcloud_> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
[14:30] <badcloud_> ^ doesn't seem like there is a size specification in the 'Icon' field
[14:31] <pragmaticenigma> badcloud_: The entry "Icon" is what you are looking for... set to an absolute path containing the specific icon in the size that you desire to use.
[14:33] <badcloud_> The image file doesn't get shrunken down to default icon size in gnome/unity?
[14:33] <pragmaticenigma> badcloud_: Won't know if you don't try
[14:33] <badcloud_> pragmaticenigma :)
[14:35] <JimBuntu> The icon size is auto-resized
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: From the spec, that appears to only happen if you don't provide an absolute path
[14:35] <pragmaticenigma> but again, no idea until someone tries
[14:35] <JimBuntu> I use custom .desktop files on all of my machines, generally use 512x512 images, use absolute paths, and they are being resized
[14:36] <pragmaticenigma> hmm, okay
[14:37] <JimBuntu> I don't think it's part of the .desktop file format because it's outside the realm/responsibility of the .desktop file design, it's handled by the desktop manager / appearance / theme settings... which allows for one-by-one customizations.  Those customizations must be stored somewhere, but I do not know where that file is
[14:37] <oerheks> somewhere in ~/.config i guess
[14:39] <badcloud_> Yeah, it got resized
[14:39] <bviktor> so i was too slow
[14:40] <bviktor> 2.15 has already been pushed out to amd64 now
[14:40] <bviktor> so now i guess this glaring bug will remain unfixed
[14:40]  * bviktor shrugs
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> bviktor: still wouldn't hurt to add a launchpad bug and report it the behavior the best you can
[14:41] <JimBuntu> bviktor: You could still make a bug report in launchpad, it's not a big task for someone to create a custom repo to test
[14:41] <badcloud_> oerheks Then I guess I'll do some digging around
[14:41] <JimBuntu> badcloud_: it's probably doing to be in dconf, but how to export/import that easily for others I am not sure... dconf uses a binary database file, so the capability probably exists.
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> badcloud_: just keep in mind, desktop icons is something that is changing in Gnome. I don't know which release Ubuntu will sync up, and what the future holds for the ability.
[14:42] <JimBuntu> bviktor: running `dpkg --print-architecture` shows you are on amd64?
[14:42] <badcloud_> pragmaticenigma Thanks, I'll keep that in mind
[14:44] <bviktor> yes
[14:44] <bviktor> sometime i'll try to repro this with some fake pkg
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[14:47] <ircExile> so 32bit support...
[14:48] <bviktor> for the record, we deploy all our workstations with ansible, so we can rule out human error. now all that happened (i believe) is that the arm64 packages got the update sooner than the amd64 ones, which revealed this logic error in apt. but i'll try to confirm this with an MCE sometime...
[14:55] <jka1> Moin
[14:57] <DroidSt> Hey, trying to hack something interesting for a project of mine.Is there a way to run info commands that require user-space (like lsblk) onto a secondary drive? (it can be mounted).One workaround I can think of is chrooting it and running lsblk.Anything else I can try, without actually booting into that OS disk?
[14:58] <leftyfb> DroidSt: huh?
[14:59] <leftyfb> DroidSt: lsblk will show ALL storage devices plugged into your machine
[14:59] <pragmaticenigma> DroidSt: not sure I understand what you're going for there either... but if this isn't a support question, could you please join us in #ubuntu-discuss ?
[15:08] <james1138> Hello from Indiana. Question: Is there a offline encyclopedia for Ubuntu?? I know there are dictionaries like GoldenDict and StarDict but I fail to find any encyclopedias. Over the years, I see Microsoft BookShelf, Compton Encyclopedia and Encyclopedia Britannia for starter - but nothing for Linux unless it involves Wikipedia.
[15:09] <oerheks> wikipedia offline? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download
[15:10] <oerheks> !info kiwix
[15:10] <zxvff> oerheks: www.wikipedia A++ #1 website oh man it's such a good www.WebSite what a great resource
[15:11] <oerheks> our GOV is not allowed to refer to wikipedia
[15:11] <HiddenDjinn> since i'm stuck with windows as main OS, question...ubuntu as a VM or ubuntu as the windows addon?
[15:11] <legreffier> HiddenDjinn: depends on what you plan to do.
[15:11] <leftyfb> HiddenDjinn: try WSL
[15:11] <zxvff> HiddenDjinn: try not using WSL
[15:11] <oerheks> * wsl2
[15:12] <pragmaticenigma> HiddenDjinn: That all depends on what you want to do with your installation. VM will enable you to have a more complete experience, the "Window AddOn" is mostly terminal focused
[15:12] <leftyfb> zxvff: can we help you with something?
[15:12] <zxvff> leftyfb: why do I recognize your nick from EFnet the Eris Free network?
[15:12] <HiddenDjinn> leftyfb, i'm running WSL atm...it's not that bad, but it does strange things from time to time regarding the system at large
[15:12] <leftyfb> zxvff: Please stay on topic. Feel free to contribute useless banter in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:13] <zxvff> leftyfb: no thank you, you're already helping me more than you could possibly know
[15:13] <zxvff> okay I will
[15:13] <james1138> Sorry all - I should have said it better. I meant to say that I am looking for a "non-wikipedia" based encyclopedia for Ubuntu. There are time I am on the road and my laptop would not have internet access.
[15:13] <leftyfb> HiddenDjinn: What do you need Ubuntu within Windows for exactly?
[15:13] <HiddenDjinn> leftyfb, i don't need it...i just miss ubuntu at times
[15:14] <HiddenDjinn> but i'm locked into windows for a few reasons as the main OS
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> james1138: There are tools for using Wikipedia offline. Thats what we're trying to suggest
[15:14] <leftyfb> HiddenDjinn: Then WSL or a VM are your options.
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> HiddenDjinn: I would recommend using a VM... If you ever come to the conclusion you no longer hold interest in Ubuntu, you can easily remove it without any leftovers
[15:15] <HiddenDjinn> leftyfb, yes, i'm aware of that...was asking opinion regarding which was a better experience
[15:15] <HiddenDjinn> pragmaticenigma, thank you
[15:15] <rory> Hi, I have an idea to scrape some information from the screen, and I realize there may already be some kind of accessibility API used for screen reading.
[15:15] <rory> Where should I start investigating this?
[15:16] <james1138> Sorry Pragmaticenigma. Did not catch your response until now. Problem I personally have with Wikipedia is that people can change it on a whim - sometimes adding errors by mistake.
[15:16] <jka1> I did my first ubuntu installation yesterday. After each login i got an error message that a system process crashed. How can i find out which process crashed?
[15:17] <ezio> Anyone use wmaker still
[15:18] <oerheks> james1138, not entirely true: most article changes are under review
[15:19] <james1138> Oerheks: you proved my point. "Most article changes"... 60%? 70%? 80%??
[15:20] <conjo> oerheks, interesting, which if any are not('most') whats the review process/protocol like gotta link?
[15:20] <oerheks> i think it is subject of importance, authors/wikipeople can add themselves to the group that handles a page.
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> james1138: Let's try to stick to the topic at hand. It's understood you would prefer a source with more reliability
[15:20] <oerheks> seriously, check out the wikipedia chanel, highly interesting
[15:20] <james1138> Yes please.
[15:21] <rory> dI suspect I need to write an Orca script but I welcome the input of anyone who has done this before.
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> james1138: From what I can tell, no one has really written a piece of software that doesn't involve wikipedia in some fashion. Most linux distributions have been dependent on the Internet and thus thought hasn't been given to things being offline. To that end, publishing encyclopdia software is expensive, Linux is of the "free" mentality which means it's hard to cover the costs of managing the copyrights involved with such a
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> piece of software. To that end, there doesn't appear to be any software specific to meet your needs. An option that you could consider is installing WINE and using that to operate a Windows based encyclopedia software option.
[15:25] <james1138> Thanks pragmaticenigma. I already have Wine installed but thought to ask people first about open-source before just going ahead and installing Windows stuff.
[15:28] <conjo> pragmaticenigma, may i just say...like a boss!
[15:47] <SenfMeister> Hi. I'm really losing my mind here. Ubuntu starts in arround 10 seconds and then suddenly it takes 100 seconds. It's a rather new AMD 3400G cpu with a M2 SSD. It should be A LOT faster. How do I find what's keeping it.   DMESG don't give me much to go for and Analyze blame neither
[15:50] <ioria> SenfMeister, remove 'quiet splash' from the kernel's parameters (or press Esc) ; so you'll have a text boot log displayed
[15:50] <SenfMeister> Iorna.. Thanks. I'll try that
[15:51] <SenfMeister> hmm I should have started the chat on a diffrent machine than the one I have issues with :)
[15:52] <james1138> SenfMeister, have you also installed "Preload"?
[15:53] <glowdemon1> Hello
[15:54] <glowdemon1> Ubuntu noob here. I dual booted Ubuntu on my SSD a while ago, but today I've ran out of space :( - I have a second HDD in my laptop, how could I make use of this to expand my space?
[15:54] <SenfMeister> Wierd. Now it booted in 10 secs again.
[15:54] <glowdemon1> I don't have much data stored, only programs and some website files. Is it a good idea to move the whole Ubuntu installation to my HDD instead?
[15:55] <SenfMeister> I haven't been able to make it do that
[15:55] <ButtDog> I'm trying to apt install python3-setuptools but getting the following error: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:55] <ButtDog>  python3-setuptools : Depends: python3-pkg-resources (= 20.7.0-1) but 33.1.1-1+certbot~trusty+1 is to be installed
[15:55] <ButtDog> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[15:55] <ButtDog> "
[15:55] <ButtDog> I'm clueless what it means.
[15:56] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: post a full system log from the current boot where things worked and the previous boot where it took a long time if you like: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999     and    journalctl -b -1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:56] <SenfMeister> tomreyn.. I haven't been smart enough to save a previous one
[15:57] <tomreyn> glowdemon1: you can move the whole installation to the hdd, or just parts of it, such as you /home. usually you'll like /home to be fast, though.
[15:58] <tomreyn> (although /home may store a lot of data and you may actually prefer programs to start fast from the SSD - so YMMV)
[15:58] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: system-journald was, though, if you're on ubuntu 18.04+
[15:58] <SenfMeister> I'm on 19.10
[15:58] <tomreyn> *systemd-journald
[15:59] <glowdemon1> Is it going to be noticably slower if I move everything to the HDD?
[15:59] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: 19.10 is >= 18.04 so you should have those logs.
[15:59] <tomreyn> glowdemon1: yes, most likely
[15:59] <glowdemon1> Alright, thanks for the info
[15:59] <SenfMeister> ;)
[16:00] <tomreyn> ButtDog: which ubuntu version is this?
[16:00] <ButtDog> 16.04
[16:00] <ButtDog> @tomreyn
[16:01] <tomreyn> ButtDog: can you share your apt configuration with us?   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[16:01] <SenfMeister> systemd-journald: command not found
[16:01] <ButtDog> tomreyn, sure thanks. One second :)
[16:02] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: i didn't say it was a command. see the journalctl commands i posted above
[16:02] <ButtDog> @tomreyn https://termbin.com/9wqp
[16:03] <SenfMeister> sorry.. missunderstod you
[16:03] <tomreyn> ButtDog: python3-pkg-resources is indeed version 20.7.0-1 normally on Ubuntu 16.04. and the package version you have, 33.1.1-1+certbot~trusty+1, sounds like you installed this from a different ubuntu release or third party source
[16:04] <ButtDog> Wow, anyway to remove this?
[16:04] <tomreyn> ButtDog: looking at what you just posted i ntice the opera repository is currently unusable
[16:04] <tomreyn> that's probably unrelated but you should fix it, too
[16:05] <ButtDog> You're refering to deb.opera.com/opera? how exactly do I remove it?
[16:06] <ButtDog> from my /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[16:06] <tomreyn> ButtDog: yes. if you want to keep using opera you need to get a copy of their current GPG APT signing key 4B8EC3BAABDC4346, use the "apt-key" command to import it. to remove it, use ppa-purge:
[16:06] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge
[16:06] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: no worries ;)
[16:07] <ButtDog> Alright how about the certbot-trust+1 package?
[16:08] <tomreyn> ButtDog: post this:  apt policy python3-setuptools python3-pkg-resources 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:09] <SenfMeister> https://termbin.com/moht & https://termbin.com/ztur
[16:09] <SenfMeister>  
[16:09] <ButtDog> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/zbuq
[16:09] <tomreyn> ButtDog: and this:   ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported
[16:09] <ButtDog> by the way, thanks for all the help
[16:10] <ButtDog> https://termbin.com/dha8
[16:10] <tomreyn> ButtDog: so at some point you chose to install this python3-pkg-resources package version 33.1.1-1+certbot~trusty+1 from *somewhere* and now you're stuck on this unsupported package version because it is newer than what ubuntu provides. i.e. ever since you didn't get security updates for it.
[16:11] <ButtDog> Exactly
[16:11] <ButtDog> I'd like to remove it, but can't find it
[16:11] <ButtDog> and not sure what ppa is using it either
[16:11] <tomreyn> ButtDog: you can downgrade to the package version in your ubuntu release by using: sudo apt install python3-pkg-resources/xenial
[16:12] <tomreyn> ButtDog: there is no apt repository configured on your system at this time where it may have come from
[16:12] <ioria> https://launchpad.net/~certbot/+archive/ubuntu/certbot
[16:12] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: looking, this can take a while, though
[16:12] <ButtDog> tomreyn, you're my hero
[16:12] <ButtDog> Thank you so much man
[16:12] <ButtDog> Been wrestling with this all day, it all makes sense now.
[16:13] <ButtDog> Also, thanks for the ncat command!
[16:14] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: that's actually the same log (at leats of the same boot). maybe the previous boot was really not preserved on your system, or not recorded in the first place (because the system did not fully start up then?)
[16:14] <LionOpeter> Hi
[16:14] <tomreyn> ButtDog: you're welcome :)
[16:15] <LionOpeter> I get / has 'other' write 40777 when trying to run pycharm-community
[16:15] <da_lorax> What's the current preferred way to configure networks in ubuntu server?
[16:15] <LionOpeter> I was in debian and they asked me to run a command that will show permissions of my / folder
[16:15] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: for this rather recent CPU you should try to keep the BIOS current for a while, there will be more fixes after the july 2019 version you have now.
[16:15] <LionOpeter> drwxrwxrwx 24 root root 4096 Jan 14 09:06
[16:15] <LionOpeter> Can i fix that?
[16:16] <da_lorax> /etc/systemd/network.d and /etc/networks both seem abandoned
[16:16] <tomreyn> da_lorax: default approach is network-manager on desktops, netplan with systemd-networkd on servers
[16:16] <oerheks> LionOpeter, but you started to ask in debian about some backup ?
[16:16] <SenfMeister> The reason  for not updating yet is they removed PCI-e 4.0 support. And the SSD is PCI-e4. (I found that seriously annoying, but AMD order I assume)
[16:17] <tomreyn> da_lorax: thats since 18.04 LTS i think
[16:17] <da_lorax> yeah that's what I'm using
[16:17] <oerheks> nice to turn it around, nothing wrong wirth permissions in you /
[16:17] <LionOpeter> oerheks, true but that was for a certain purpose
[16:17] <LionOpeter> I was trying to fix the permissions problem
[16:18] <oerheks> oh, there is no permission problem. how would you fix that?
[16:18] <da_lorax> ok brilliant, a completely different system than the last time I did this, again. #sigh
[16:18] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: if this is a desktop it's unlikely you'll notice a difference between PCI-e 3.0 and 4.0
[16:18] <rapidwave> How can I change the default file browser?
[16:19] <LionOpeter> There is, the permission problem is that folder / has 777 permissions
[16:19] <ioria> not easy ... but doable
[16:19] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: and it'll consume less poer, too
[16:19] <tomreyn> *power / energy
[16:19] <SenfMeister> I's a NAS/Docker environment I'm playing arround with.
[16:20] <SenfMeister> Want to see if I can create a SOC at home with automated responses. And how effective that can become
[16:20] <SenfMeister> as much opensource as possible
[16:21] <SenfMeister> or free licences
[16:21] <da_lorax> What actually runs netplan? systemd-networkd seems to be operating but says 'not managed by us' when anything happens
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> SenfMeister: That doesn't really fit the topic of this channel. Perhaps ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:23] <da_lorax> LionOpeter: why is that a problem? If you want it more restricitve you can 'sudo chmod go-w /'
[16:23] <SenfMeister> I know. But the Issue with slow boot time was fine for this channel :)
[16:23] <grid-> hey
[16:24] <grid-> i'm getting large files over and over again in /var/log/journal/
[16:24] <grid-> i know they can be deleted safe
[16:24] <LionOpeter> da_lorax, it's a serious security risk
[16:24] <grid-> but i don't like this idea to delete them every now and then
[16:24] <pragmaticenigma> da_lorax: Netplan runs on boot and read through the netplan configuration files. netplan really doesn't "run" continuously, I think it needs to be triggered to reload new configurations.
[16:24] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: i'm still looking at the log. and at the board specs, which suggest this is a pcie 2.0 / 3.0 but not 4.0 board.
[16:25] <da_lorax> can I make it go away? I'd rather use systemd-networkd directly than learn a whole new system
[16:25] <SenfMeister> Nope. It's a b450 board. But when I bought it back in summer they stated that it could run pci 4.0
[16:26] <SenfMeister> Either that or I should get a x570 with active cooling. And I didn't want that
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> da_lorax: I don't think you have to use netplan, I'm unfamiliar with how to work with systemd-networkd directly though
[16:28] <da_lorax> I am, but I'm not familiar with how to make everything else leave it alone
[16:28] <SenfMeister> But I'm updating it
[16:28] <da_lorax> I already wasted half a day realizing that it's impossible to uninstall network-manager without breaking ubuntu-desktop
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> da_lorax: if you're seeing a reference to ubuntu-desktop in dependencies... that is a meta package... it does nothing
[16:31] <da_lorax> I don't really care, I don't use it anyway, I just saw that and was like 'wat' and installed server, and now there's this other-other network metametametamanager
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> da_lorax: I can't find Ubuntu community documentation... but this appears to have most of what you need: https://www.allerstorfer.at/remove-netplan-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[16:31] <da_lorax> oh boy
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> da_lorax: I have seen other articles report neeing to instal ifupdown
[16:32] <da_lorax> yeah I don't understand that, systemd-networkd should be able to do it itself. Eh I'll figure it out. I shoudl probably use this netplan thing anyway cause straying from the beaten path in modern linux tends to result in extraneous work and unreliability
[16:33] <pragmaticenigma> so much truth in that da_lorax
[16:34]  * da_lorax shakes fist at cloud
[16:37] <rapidwave> join #lubuntu
[16:37] <tomreyn> SenfMeister: i'm not sure how to interpret this, yet, but you might want to examine whether this has any impact on your expected performance: "31.504 Gb/s available PCIe bandwidth, limited by 8 GT/s x4 link at 0000:00:01.6 (capable of 63.012 Gb/s with 16 GT/s x4 link)"
[16:37] <tomreyn> oh, gone
[17:07] <keithbarry> Hello I am new here and need help
[17:08] <ioria> keithbarry, about what exactly ?
[17:08] <kaleido> the best way to get help is to state the problem and ask your question. :)
[17:09] <keithbarry> I want to put apps on the desktop on 19.10
[17:09] <ioria> keithbarry, binary ?
[17:09] <keithbarry> It works on 18.04 but not on 19.10
[17:10] <keithbarry> No I mean the programs
[17:10] <ioria> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/05/nautilus-remove-ability-launch-binaries-apps
[17:11] <keithbarry> in 18.04 you just go to computer usr share applications then copy
[17:11] <ioria> keithbarry, some workarounds there
[17:11] <ioria> keithbarry, you mean shortcuts ?
[17:11] <keithbarry> On 19.10 the aps are not there
[17:11] <ioria> it's not the same
[17:12] <keithbarry> ioria: is their a short cut to do thos?
[17:12] <keithbarry> this
[17:12] <oerheks> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/10/send-app-shortcut-icons-desktop-in-ubuntu-19-10/
[17:12] <oerheks> easy to find
[17:12] <ioria> keithbarry, sorry, it's not clear what you want to do; you want create shortcuts on your Desktop ?
[17:13] <oerheks> that would be the same
[17:14] <ioria> it's the same havinf a binary on your desktop or a simple shortcuts
[17:14] <keithbarry> No I want to put the programs on the desktop just like you do on linux mint which is simple it seems it is hard on Ubuntu
[17:14] <oerheks> mint does shortcuts too..
[17:14] <ioria> keyrcbot, have you noted the linki posted ?
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> keithbarry: Previously ioria sent a link... Support for binary applications is no longer available in nautilus. Meaning you can't put application icons/shortcuts on the desktop anymore.
[17:15] <oerheks> but i think mint uses cinnamon desktop, not equal to gnome3
[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> keithbarry: oerheks posted a link to an article about how you can work around it
[17:15] <oerheks> or mate..
[17:15] <ioria> the point it's not gnome, but Nautilus
[17:17] <keithbarry> On cinnamon you just right click on the program and select desktop or panel
[17:17] <ioria> again
[17:17] <oerheks> install cinamon on ubuntu and go wild
[17:18] <oerheks> gnome3 does not have this feature.
[17:18] <keithbarry> Yes I want to do that as I am trying to make a super Windows 10 version of Ubuntu
[17:19] <keithbarry> I already have put the Widows 10 wallpaper on it.
[17:19] <ioria> already done with Windows 7
[17:19] <ioria> keithbarry, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/01/make-linux-mint-look-like-windows-7
[17:20] <keithbarry> With a Super Windows 10 Ubuntu you can dual boot with Windows 7
[17:20] <oerheks> i like this gnome pie thingy https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/gnome-pie-application-launcher
[17:20] <oerheks> lolz
[17:20] <keithbarry> Then switch the net of the Windows 7 to be safe
[17:21] <ioria> going offtopics
[17:21] <oerheks> we don't care about windows .. and certaily EOL windows is offtopic here
[17:22] <keithbarry> It is not Windows it is Ubuntu Windows just like Kali with the Windows desktop
[17:22] <pragmaticenigma> keithbarry: The point was, you're starting to move into discussing something that is considered off topic...
[17:23] <keithbarry> How do  install the cinnamon desktop on ubuntu 18.04
[17:23] <ioria> mate-desktop should be it
[17:23] <leftyfb> keithbarry: what is "Ubuntu Windows" exactly?
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: we just asked them to stop
[17:24] <ioria> !info ubuntu-mate-desktop bionic
[17:24] <ioria> nope, that's gnome2
[17:24] <oerheks> !find cinnamon
[17:25] <oerheks> !info cinnamon-desktop-environment
[17:25] <oerheks> i would install fresh, from the mini iso, no clutter of gnome apps
[17:26] <ioria> yeah, probably better
[17:26] <oerheks> or 'true experience'
[17:30] <keithbarry> leftyfb:It is and Ubuntu with a Windows desktop Kali has one I have made one for Miny and pappermont as they have cinnmon desktops I want Windoze users to migrate to Linux
[17:32] <oerheks> so, you run kali, which is not ubuntu supported.. as it messes up your whole system
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> let's just leave this one go... they have been provided a path to consider, best we let them navigate the rest of the way
[17:33] <oerheks> join ##linux or the kali channels for support, good luck!
[17:35] <keithbarry> Yes I get support from Linux no problem now I want support for my ubuntu do you have a problem with that?
[17:37] <oerheks> ubuntu+kali is not ubuntu, but a pentesting distro with huge differences. if you have no clue what those differences are, i wonder why you install kali.
[17:38] <oerheks> !kali
[17:39] <keithbarry> oerheks: I do not know what you are talking about I run four distros on this desktop 2 ubuntu s Mint and Kali.
[17:41] <keithbarry> Lets just talk about Ubuntu which I want to make a Windows desktop on. I have the Windows wallpaper so far on both the Ubuntu distros
[17:43] <keithbarry> ubottu: where did you get that from I was not asking for support for Mint nor Kali? Please read more carefully what I write, or ask if i have not made it clear.
[17:44] <keithbarry> Ubottu: now that's funny!
[17:50] <transhumanist> Hi! I want to migrate a Ubuntu 18.04 machine hard drive to a virtualbox VM  (can mount it as  secondary) and do the conversion, any idea how this is done?
[17:51] <transhumanist> if it was windows I would use Veeam
[17:53] <transhumanist> I can make an image of it using dd and then do a conversion thats all  i can think of
[17:55] <pizzaiolo> transhumanist that would be my suggestion (dd then convert), you might have better luck in #vbox
[17:55] <transhumanist> I just read that I might just be able to moun the disk as a raw image
[17:55] <transhumanist> thanks pizzaiolo
[17:55] <JFox762> Hi, is this the right chat room for Ubuntu for RaspPi applications?
[17:56] <JFox762> My Raspberry pi disconnected from the network, and seemed to non-responsive around 2 hours ago...
[17:56] <JFox762> it is running a Shinobi NVR Server;...
[17:57] <JFox762> How do I check to see what caused it to either 1. Disconnect. 2. Power off. ?
[17:57] <mguy> I would try #raspberrypi
[17:57] <JFox762> thanks
[17:58] <JFox762> Ill try that :)
[18:07] <komali2> HEY ALL, I REBOUND CAPSLOCK TO CTRL IN GNOME AND SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED ON THIS MORNING'S LOGIN THAT HAS GOTTEN CAPSLOCK STUCK ON. BUT OBVIOUSLY, I CAN'T TURN IT OFF, AS I'VE REBOUND IT. I CAN EVEN SEE THE LITTLE LIGHT ON MY KEYBOARD SHOWING CAPSLOCK ON. WHAT DO I DO?
[18:12] <pragmaticenigma> komali2: Honestly, you shouldn't rebind keys to other commonly used keys. This article may help, READ THE ENTIRE SOLUTION!: https://askubuntu.com/a/80301
[18:13] <komali2> THANKS, I'LL CHECK IT OUT. I REBOUND IT BECAUSE I PROGRAM FOR A LIVING, AND NEED CTRL SO MUCH I WAS GETTING RSI FROM STRETCHING DOWN TO CTRL
[18:36] <jackhum> How to reinstall ubuntu using live usb over an existing ubuntu installation, i want to just install all the system level things while leaving apps and data intact
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> jackhum: There is no supported method to doing what you have asked. You can preservce your /home directory tree to preserve settings and files and simply copy that back into your new installation after it has completed.
[18:39] <oerheks> reinstall is an option in the installer? it should not touch data
[18:43] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma: okay so i want to know few things 1) where are synaptic package manager logs, i did somd stupid mistake today while playing with it and it removed almost all of my system along with essential packages, now i have no DE and my system doesnt even start. I want to know what apps etc did it removed, second i want to know the list of all the programs alreasy installed so that i can reinstall it. Making a copy
[18:43] <jackhum> of home directory is enough?
[18:45] <oerheks> there is no synaptic log, that should be in dpkg log?
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> jackhum: the log of every package installed or uninstalled is in /var/log/dpkg.log
[18:46] <oerheks> apt-get, synaptic, softwarecenter, updates
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: Synaptic actually keeps a history file of its own actions. In Synaptic go to File => History
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know where it stores that information
[18:46] <jackhum> pragmaticenigma: well i cant see that, i need to locate it on file system
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> I also posted the path to that jackhum
[18:47] <jackhum> I should copy the whole log folder i guess, and home directory
[18:48] <jackhum> I booted live usb, tried ubuntu 18.04 with gnome brightness and sound controls are working fine. You was right the upgrade screwed up somewhere
[18:50] <tomreyn> !synaptic
[18:51] <oerheks> i still think synaptic used dpkg log; cat /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "\ install\ " and such
[18:51] <oerheks> why a seperate log.. not logical
[18:52] <pragmaticenigma> oerheks: Don't know... but I've done a number of things outside of synaptic and those are not listed in the synaptic history
[18:53] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto#View_History
[18:54] <tomreyn> ...seems to confirm this
[18:55] <oerheks> oh, time to file a bugreport to change that.
[18:55] <ioria> a bit old , last edited 2013-12-14
[18:55] <oerheks> but then snaps and flatpak wants to get in there too..
[19:32] <heeen> I installed hwe packages on my thinkpad and wifi stopped working. it could see the ssid but would just reject the PSK
[19:32] <heeen> is that a known issue?
[19:33] <heeen> also two finger scrolling stopped working
[19:34] <sarnold> heeen: try sudo  modprobe -r psmouse ; sudo modprobe psmouse  -- from an *old* bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1722478
[19:35] <heeen> sarnold: this is not after a suspend/release cycle though
[19:35] <sarnold> hmm
[19:36] <heeen> someone mentioned installing xorg-input-synaptics or something
[19:36] <heeen> -hwe-18.04
[19:36] <heeen> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics-hwe-18.04
[19:37] <heeen> I guess it was not part of the suggested packages after installing linux-generic-hwe-18.04 xserver-xorg-hwe-18.04
[19:37] <heeen> but still, I could not get wifi to work
[19:37] <heeen> which is much more important
[19:39] <sarnold> heeen: give me a moment..
[19:41] <RoseBus> hello, i built using cmake: https://github.com/dusty-nv/jetson-inference/
[19:41] <sarnold> heeen: there's an 'extras' module package that I think if left off the system can lead to this problem; try installing eg linux-modules-extra-5.3.0-26-generic-5.3.0-26.28~18.04.1  (version number stolen from https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-team/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+build/18270676 )
[19:42] <RoseBus> for some reason the python bindings were installed for python 2 but not python3
[19:42] <RoseBus> under the instructions for building repo with cmake, it says that python packages will be installed but they dont say how to specify which pytyhon version
[19:43] <algid> anyone have any experience with Bluetooth suddenly being "disabled" in ubuntu ?
[19:45] <tomreyn> RoseBus: this doesn't sound like an ubuntu problem but one with building this particular software. have you tried to get support from its developers?
[19:45] <RoseBus> tomreyn, i just discovered the issue, it's installing to /usr/lib/python* while i am using a venv
[19:46] <heeen> sarnold: it is in the suggested packages list so I had it when I tried
[19:46] <heeen> wondering if I should upgrade from 18.04.3 to 19.10
[19:46] <heeen> I'll try the hwe again
[19:47] <sarnold> heeen: hm :( I'm sorry I'm not a whole lot of help, I don';t recall hearing many thinkpad problems lately
[19:50] <heeen> how do I cancel the boot logo to see what is going on
[19:50] <heeen> it does not seem to come up
[19:52] <heeen> ugh wtf
[19:52] <heeen> it dropped me into an initramfs shell
[19:55] <heeen> failed to connect to lvmetad
[19:55] <heeen> sigh
[19:56] <sarnold> whaaaat?
[19:57] <sarnold> is there anytrhing useful in the logs?
[19:57] <sarnold> hitting the escape key should cancel the splash screen
[19:57] <sarnold> if you want it off entirely, remove the 'quiet splash' from the kernel command line in grub
[20:02] <heeen> wtf
[20:03] <heeen> did something in 5.x kernel change around LVM
[20:07] <Vooloo> how do I block an entire IP block in ufw? 111.111.1.1 to 111.111.255.255?
[20:08] <leftyfb> Vooloo: https://www.guyrutenberg.com/2009/11/07/blocking-ip-range-using-ufw/ first result on google for "ufw block ip range"
[20:09] <Vooloo> leftyfb, and  a pretty bad article at that
[20:09] <Vooloo> the file /var/lib/ufw/user.rules does not even exist
[20:09] <Vooloo> and how is this an IP range ? sudo ufw deny from 188.162.67.197/21
[20:09] <Vooloo> that is one IP
[20:10] <ioria> without /21
[20:10] <leftyfb> Vooloo: 188.162.67.197/21 is exactly 2046 ip's
[20:11] <leftyfb> Vooloo: you're looking for /24
[20:11] <Vooloo> so again, how do I block 111.111.0.0 to 111.111.255.255
[20:12] <Vooloo> 111.111.0.0/24 ?
[20:12] <ioria> yep
[20:12] <ioria> sudo ufw deny from 192.168.1.0/24
[20:13] <leftyfb> no
[20:13] <ioria> Vooloo, change the ip clearly
[20:13] <leftyfb> oh, 0.0. You change the range
[20:13] <leftyfb> yes
[20:14] <makr8100> should be: sudo ufw deny from 111.111.0.0/16
[20:14] <makr8100> did I figure the mask bits right?  :|
[20:15] <makr8100> yes that's right, /16
[20:15] <oerheks> 192.168.0.0/16 gives good answers indeed
[20:16] <oerheks> so to block 192.x.x.x it would be /8 ?
[20:16] <makr8100> yes
[20:17] <leftyfb> Vooloo: 111.111.1.1/24 for your original range of 111.111.1.1-111.111.255.254. 111.111.0.0/16 for the second, different range you mentioned of 111.111.0.0-111.111.255.254 (you don't bother with 255).
[20:17] <makr8100> so /16 would cover 65534 IP's, and /8 would be 16777214
[20:18] <sarnold> leftyfb: are you sure you don't mean /16 for the first one as well?
[20:19] <leftyfb> sarnold: /16 would include 111.111.0.0 which he did not specify the first time around
[20:19] <leftyfb> oh right /24 isn't right either
[20:19] <ioria> i thought was 12 ... :þ
[20:20] <makr8100> he's technically right that if 111.111.0.x is to be allowed then /16 is wrong, but that's a lot of subnets to enter explicitly to keep the .0 range
[20:22] <sarnold> yup
[20:22] <makr8100> .1.0/24, .2.0/23, .4.0/22, .8.0/21, .16.0/20, .32.0/19, .64.0/18, .128.0/17
[20:23] <makr8100> nope ban the .0
[20:23] <makr8100> .0.0/16
[20:23] <Liverbrain> hm
[20:23] <zmagii> i can't seem to delete my default vim installation
[20:23] <zmagii> i'm on ubuntu studio 19.02
[20:23] <ryuo> isn't that EOL?
[20:24] <ryuo> $disco
[20:24] <ryuo> !disco
[20:24] <leftyfb> There's no such thing as 19.02
[20:24] <oerheks> 23 jan
[20:24] <leftyfb> zmagii: cat /etc/issue
[20:24] <zmagii> sorry i am on 19.10
[20:25] <zmagii> Ubuntu 19.10
[20:26] <zmagii> if i try sudo apt remove vim it says: vim is not installed
[20:26] <zmagii> but if i type "vim" it opens vim
[20:27] <leftyfb> zmagii: that's just a link to vi
[20:27] <makr8100> zmagii: do "ls -l /bin"
[20:27] <leftyfb> zmagii: what are you tryingto do exactly?
[20:27] <oerheks> !info vim-common
[20:28] <makr8100> right, mine (opensuse default) is the reverse of that, where vim is installed and /bin/vi is symlinked to /bin/vim
[20:28] <oerheks> why remove a vim that takes a few kb
[20:28] <zmagii> trying to remove vim and install the one from ppa:jonathonf/vim
[20:28] <zmagii> leftyfb:
[20:28] <leftyfb> zmagii: why?
[20:28] <zmagii> because jedi-vim doesn't work
[20:28] <oerheks> oh, adding that PPA should automatic install the newest
[20:28] <zmagii> if i check my vim, it's not compiled with python
[20:28] <makr8100> use "ls -l /bin | grep vi"
[20:28] <makr8100> to find out what your vi/vim looks like
[20:29] <leftyfb> makr8100: there are easier ways. But I think we are beyond that
[20:29] <makr8100> if there's a symlink just use unlink
[20:29] <oerheks> add ppa, update, and it should give 2:8.2.0121-0york0~19.10 -- https://launchpad.net/~jonathonf/+archive/ubuntu/vim?field.series_filter=eoan
[20:29] <leftyfb> makr8100: that is the wrong way to go about this
[20:29] <zmagii> oerheks: are you afrikaans?
[20:30] <leftyfb> zmagii: please stay on topic
[20:30] <oerheks> zmagii, close; Dutch
[20:30] <zmagii> okay sure sorry
[20:30] <zmagii> so my objective is to have a vim that is compiled with python
[20:31] <leftyfb> zmagii: so install your PPA as oerheks pointed out
[20:31] <zmagii> i've done that, but it doesn't update vim if i do sudo apt-get update or upgrade
[20:31] <oerheks> vi -version to check
[20:31] <leftyfb> zmagii: sudo update-alternatives --display editor
[20:32] <zmagii> VIM - Vi IMproved 8.2 (2019 Dec 12, compiled Dec 21 2019 20:56:24)
[20:32] <zmagii> Garbage after option argument: "-version"
[20:32] <zmagii> More info with: "vim -h"
[20:32] <seere> zmagii: vim --version
[20:32] <oerheks> so, you got the new one
[20:33] <zmagii> oerheks: yes, but vim --version shows: -python and -python3
[20:33] <zmagii> meaning no python
[20:33] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/vim/+packages
[20:34] <seere> zmagii: looks a little bit like your vim ist still vim.tiny
[20:34] <leftyfb> zmagii: sudo update-alternatives --display editor
[20:34] <oerheks> i am not familiar with those bindings.
[20:34] <zmagii> no, it says huge version
[20:34] <leftyfb> zmagii: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[20:34] <leftyfb> ^^ change it
[20:34] <zmagii> leftyfb: should i paste the output
[20:35] <zmagii> sudo update-alternatives --display editor
[20:35] <leftyfb> use --config to change it
[20:35] <zmagii> what should i change?
[20:36] <ksyd> Can anyone tell me if 4G RAM would be enough for installing Ubuntu?
[20:36] <zmagii> leftyfb: it shown only nano if i type that
[20:36] <leftyfb> zmagii: type: sudo update-alternatives --config editor   # then change it to the editor you want. No the tiny version
[20:36] <ioria> ksyd, yes. why ?
[20:37] <zmagii> There are 2 choices for the alternative editor (providing /usr/bin/editor).
[20:37] <zmagii> Selection    Path            Priority   Status
[20:37] <zmagii> ------------------------------------------------------------
[20:37] <zmagii> * 0            /bin/nano        40        auto mode 1            /bin/ed         -100       manual mode 2            /bin/nano        40        manual mode
[20:37] <leftyfb> zmagii: Did you add the PPA?
[20:37] <tomreyn> !paste | zmagii
[20:37] <seere> zmagii: ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim
[20:37] <leftyfb> zmagii: apt-cache policy vim   # Use pastebin as tomreyn pointed out above.
[20:38] <zmagii> okay
[20:38] <ksyd> ioria: I'm trying to choose some stable distro currently and I'm thinking about Ubuntu. But tbh I'm not sure Gnome will not kill my laptop.
[20:38] <leftyfb> seere: if vim isn't showing up, it's not installed
[20:38] <ioria> ksyd, if you want to use VMs you want to add some gigs, but in general 4 is ok
[20:38] <zmagii> I can open vim though
[20:38] <ksyd> ioria: No VMs, I need a desktop system.
[20:38] <zmagii> via "vi" or "vim" both open 8.2
[20:39] <leftyfb> zmagii: you're opening vi, not vim. By default ubuntu symlinks the vim command to vi.tiny
[20:39] <ksyd> ioria: Correction - a stable desktop system.
[20:39] <zmagii> leftyfb: ok, but it says "huge version" if i pass --version
[20:39] <zmagii> or does that mean something else maybe
[20:39] <seere> leftyfb: so I wanted to know where it's alternative is currently pointing to. Next would be "which vim", as he can start it.
[20:39] <leftyfb> zmagii: apt-cache policy vim   # Use pastebin as tomreyn pointed out above.
[20:39] <tomreyn> ksyd: as seen on the download page for ubuntu 18.04(.3) LTS and 19.10, 4 GB is the minimum requirement for Ubuntu (with GNOME Shell)
[20:39] <ioria> ksyd, ubuntu 18.04 is stable .... 4G  is ok, if you feel it a bit heavy you can always install budgie
[20:40] <zmagii> every time you think you're clever then suddenly you can't even configure vim
[20:40] <ksyd> ioria: Thank you. I'll try it.
[20:41] <zmagii> https://pastebin.com/raw/zqj1vtSL
[20:41] <ioria> ok
[20:41] <tomreyn> ksyd: note that support for Intel X86 (32-bit) installations has been dropped after 18.04.3 LTS
[20:41] <leftyfb> zmagii: vim is not installed. Did you add the PPA?
[20:41] <zmagii> i'll try to reinstall vim via sudo apt-get install vim
[20:41] <ksyd> tomreyn: Thank you. I'm not sure about 19.10 I wanted to look at it from live usb and it wouldn't load. So probably 18.04 would be better.
[20:41] <zmagii> leftyfb: yes, you can see it there on the pastebin
[20:42] <leftyfb> oh right. Sorry. Yeah, install vim now. Adding a ppa doesn't actually install anything
[20:42] <ksyd> tomreyn: Thank God, I have x64-bit intel.
[20:42] <zmagii> okay, so i've installed it now again, but jedi-vim still complains about python being missing
[20:43] <leftyfb> zmagii: type: sudo update-alternatives --config editor
[20:43] <tomreyn> ksyd: this suggests there must be some other reason 19.10 didn't load. if this is your first time installing Ubuntu, an LTS release may be a good approach.
[20:43] <tomreyn> !LTS | ksyd
[20:43] <apetresc> Out of curiosity, why does `apt-get build-dep` require source repos? Obviously I understand why `apt-get source` does, but build-dep seems like it should be able to work with just the package metadata the binary repos have; it's not installing sources, just build dependencies.
[20:43] <zmagii> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/N84a5W3M
[20:44] <leftyfb> zmagii: type -a vim
[20:44] <tomreyn> apetresc: dependencies between source packages differ from dependencies between binary packages.
[20:44] <oerheks> apetresc, basicly you start with build essentials and enable sources in updates.
[20:45] <leftyfb> zmagii: "type -a vim"
[20:45] <ksyd> tomreyn: I did have a 16.04 version a couple of years before, really liked it, but after they went away from Unity, I've been using Linux Mint. The last started to be unstable after a couple of updates. So, I thought why not try Ubuntu again.
[20:45] <ksyd> ubottu: Thank you.
[20:45] <zmagii> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/86Jp5xXj
[20:45] <tomreyn> ksyd: sounds like a good idea to me. do you have another support question then?
[20:46] <leftyfb> zmagii: you have 3 versions of vim installed. Why?
[20:46] <leftyfb> zmagii: that one is /usr/local/vim tells me you maybe compiled your own version at one point
[20:46] <zmagii> i don't know to be honest. i can explain complicated math to you, but not this
[20:46] <ksyd> tomreyn: No, not for now at least. Thank you again. :)
[20:47] <tomreyn> you're welcome ;)
[20:47] <ksyd> Oh, this is funny, I only now understood that ubottu is a bot. lol
[20:47] <zmagii> leftyfb: does apt struggle to find all your installed programs sometimes? like for example why if i type sudo apt remove vim it doesn't delete them all?
[20:48] <seere> leftyfb: /bin/vim  and /usr/bin/vim belong together and are sysmlinks to the alternatives in Ubuntu/Debian
[20:48] <leftyfb> zmagii: I would start by removing/purging vim from the PPA and anywhere else. Then see if you can track down where the /usr/local/bin/vim came from. That one wasn't installed by anything in the official repo's and needs to go away (deleting the binary might not be the best idea)
[20:48] <leftyfb> seere: ok .. so just the one in /usr/local is the problem
[20:48] <ioria> zmagii, dpkg -l | grep vim
[20:48] <leftyfb> seere: I do not have /bin/vim
[20:48] <seere> leftyfb: I think so, "which vim" would show us what he is actualy starting by simply calling "vim"
[20:48] <zmagii> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/c10JTMTX
[20:49] <leftyfb> seere: type -a is more accurate
[20:49] <seere> leftyfb: I have, pointing to /etc/alternatives/vim as usual
[20:50] <EriC^^> readlink -f `which vim`
[20:50] <zmagii> so, maybe i should mention this is my first time using ubuntu studio, according to #ubuntustudio they just alter the defaults of normal ubuntu, not sure if that is relevant
[20:50] <EriC^^> follows symlinks to end binary
[20:50] <leftyfb> EriC^^: good to know
[20:51] <zmagii> all of my VMs running Ubuntu 18 LTS have working instances of jedi-vim
[20:51] <zmagii> by just adding the PPA and doing the apt update
[20:51] <ioria> i don't get why vim-tiny  has been removed
[20:52] <zmagii> ioria: that could have been me, i always did that in my VMs
[20:52] <ioria> i see
[20:52] <zmagii> so that i don't accidentally open it anymore
[20:53] <leftyfb> I think we need to find out what /usr/local/bin/vim is ... I feel that is the one tripping us up
[20:53] <zmagii> leftyfb: how can i help to do that?
[20:53] <leftyfb> zmagii: ls -l /usr/local/bin/vim
[20:53] <zmagii> oh, and one more thing, i think my VMs run vim 8.1. would there be any chance that 8.2 removed python or something?
[20:54] <oerheks> ask the ppa owner?
[20:54] <zmagii> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/hbQPmLb9
[20:54] <zmagii> oerheks: that would be quite a bummer, i can try to find out
[20:55] <leftyfb> zmagii: remove vim. Lets see if the silly ppa is putting its binary there. That would be very poor on their part of they are
[20:56] <zmagii> leftyfb: how can i remove vim at this point?
[20:56] <leftyfb> zmagii: sudo apt remove vim
[20:56] <zmagii> alright
[20:57] <leftyfb> zmagii: then: type -a vim
[20:57] <zmagii> leftyfb: vim is /usr/local/bin/vim
[20:58] <leftyfb> zmagii: sudo dpkg -S /usr/bin/vim.*
[20:59] <zmagii> leftyfb: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/vim.*
[20:59] <zmagii> is it ok if i don't pastebin one liners?
[20:59] <heeen> ok, so
[20:59] <leftyfb> oh right ...  sudo dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/vim.*
[20:59] <leftyfb> zmagii: yes
[20:59] <zmagii> leftyfb: again it says: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/vim.*
[20:59] <heeen> sarnold: in case anyone else comes in here with the same problem: I was using the DKMS backport driver for the intel wifi
[21:00] <heeen> it was suggested by driver manager
[21:00] <heeen> and it seems like it is no longer working with 5.3/hwe
[21:00] <sarnold> heeen: aha!
[21:00] <sarnold> heeen: thanks for reporting back! are you back online?
[21:00] <heeen> yeah, seems to work
[21:01] <leftyfb> zmagii: I'm not sure how to find out where that binary came from. It's not from any official ubuntu packages. And while deleting might fix problems, it might not fix all and might cause problems down the road with leftover configs/libraries/etc
[21:01] <heeen> the other thing is, installing synaptics fixed the touchpad but not the keyboard
[21:01] <heeen> I had still to install the xorg-input-all thing
[21:01] <heeen> xserver-xorg-input-all that is
[21:01] <zmagii> leftyfb: my installation is recent so i don't mind things breaking
[21:02] <heeen> the broken driver is called backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[21:02] <zmagii> or, at least, there is not much to break unless it's system stuff
[21:02] <leftyfb> zmagii: sudo mv /usr/local/bin/vim /usr/local/bin/vim.unknown
[21:03] <leftyfb> zmagii: then: type -a vim
[21:03] <sarnold> heeen: cool, thanks
[21:04] <heeen> is it safe to upgrade from 18.04.3 to 19.04 to 19.10
[21:04] <heeen> when is the next lts release due anyways
[21:05] <Vooloo> what is the point of snap, it seems to suck hard. I installed a package and when I try to run it, it claims the command is not found
[21:05] <zmagii> leftyfb: bash: type: vim: not found
[21:05] <sarnold> the next lts ought to be out in late april; the intention is to release it april 23 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[21:05] <leftyfb> zmagii: ok, now: sudo apt install vim
[21:05] <zmagii> leftyfb: ok, done
[21:05] <leftyfb> zmagii: type -a vim
[21:06] <zmagii> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/AJnP5wL1
[21:07] <sarnold> heeen: missing the 18.10 release complicates the first upgrade; you can probably use do-release-upgrade to do the upgrades, but it might not go as smoothly as waiting for the next LTS release, and upgrading then; we usually 'advertise' the LTS -> LTS upgrades several months after the LTS release
[21:07] <leftyfb> zmagii: ok, better. Now check your version: apt-cache policy vim ; vim --version
[21:07] <genii> heeen: Ubuntu 20.04 should be out at approximately 5pm GMT on Thursday April the 16th
[21:08] <leftyfb> genii: brave announcing a time :)
[21:08] <genii> 23rd, sorry. This April has more Thurdays than most
[21:08] <leftyfb> genii: you know you're going to be quoted on that right? :)
[21:08] <genii> leftyfb: They do it before end of office hours in UK
[21:08] <leftyfb> genii: I know what they usually intend to do. Doesn't always pan out that way
[21:09] <zmagii> leftyfb: https://pastebin.com/raw/dikKtS05
[21:10] <zmagii> leftyfb: i think jedi-vim is working now
[21:10] <leftyfb> zmagii: looks like you've got python3 compiled in
[21:10] <zmagii> yes
[21:10] <zmagii> what did you change, i'm pretty confused
[21:10] <zmagii> and thanks
[21:10] <leftyfb> zmagii: removed that pesky /usr/local/bin/vim ... that didn't come from any packages. You might want to track that one down
[21:11] <zmagii> leftyfb: as in, it could be malicious, or as in i did something funny that put it there or just as in general awareness about what is going on on your system?
[21:12] <leftyfb> zmagii: all of the above.
[21:13] <zmagii> leftyfb: ah, the often ignored 4th option... thanks for your help
[21:14] <zmagii> leftyfb: what is the difference supposed to be between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin?
[21:14] <leftyfb> zmagii: /usr/local/bin is typically where users put their own binaries (or compiled software)
[21:16] <JimBuntu> /usr/local/bin is also typically earlier in the PATH, so you can compile your own version of a previously/still installed program, as well... without needing to replace/remove it
[21:16] <zmagii> leftyfb: ok, and one more question. did you solve the problem by fixing symlinks? Like why wouldn't "apt remove" followed by "apt install" fix it
[21:16] <leftyfb> zmagii: we renamed the /usr/local/bin/vim binary to /usr/local/bin/vim-unknown
[21:17] <leftyfb> zmagii: anything in /usr/local/bin will override binary paths
[21:17] <zmagii> oh, that is interesting, didn't know that
[21:17] <zmagii> sounds like a nice target for surreptituous software squatting
[21:21] <zmagii> thanks again for the help
[22:11] <gp> trying to work with microk8s.  can't seem to get the registry to work.  how can I confirm it is running?
[22:12] <gp> pushing from docker times out
[22:13] <mra90> how can I find out where the app know to OS has its binaries locatyed
[22:13] <mra90> locatyed
[22:13] <gp> which app
[22:13] <tomreyn> gp: /join #ubuntu-server (ideally during UK business hours)
[22:13] <mra90> I mean for example when I type arecord or aplay in linux
[22:13] <mra90> it recognizes these programs rioight away
[22:13] <gp> mra90: type which arecord
[22:14] <gp> mra90: type `which arecord`
[22:14] <mra90> correct
[22:14] <mra90> now I have more difficult question
[22:14] <gp> tomreyn: ok thanks
[22:14] <mra90> How can I point os to use other location
[22:14] <gp> mra90: read about the path variable
[22:14] <mra90> sicne I have build custom versiobn
[22:14] <mra90> version*
[22:14] <gp> mra90: probably /usr/local/bin
[22:15] <gp> mra90: echo $PATH
[22:15] <gp> thats your search path
[22:16] <mra90> so does it mean that if I put my new locationm before that system one it linux fiond my version first?
[22:17] <gp> yes. test by touch /usr/local/bin/mybinary
[22:17] <gp> well use arecord
[22:17] <gp> and then which arecord again
[22:18] <gp> probably need chmod +x too. or just copy it there
[22:20] <mra90> gp: seems to be what I need, thanks ;)
[22:20] <gp> mra90: yw
[22:37] <grady> how i can put the "xrandr --output DVI-I-1 --scale 1.5x1.5" to the xorg.conf?
[22:39] <grady> internet is full of the articles about how to put xrandr settings  to it, but none of them talking about --scale
[22:47] <ducasse> grady: you can just put the xrandr call in ~/.xsessionrc
[22:47] <grady> how
[22:49] <ducasse> just create the file and put that command in it
[22:51] <grady> i mean, does it need some formating
[22:53] <ducasse> just a plain text file
[22:55] <grady> ...
[22:58] <Gigabitten> heck. I have an fstab entry for a partition on my hdd that goes `/dev/sda2 /home/myname/mountpoint ext4 auto 0 2` and for some reason I can't get the drive to be anything but read-only
[22:59] <Gigabitten> I can't figure out what could be wrong
[22:59] <tomreyn> ^gone
[22:59] <Gigabitten> closed the wrong window
[23:00] <Gigabitten> hope nobody answered in those like 20 seconds
[23:00] <tomreyn> Gigabitten: i was about to ;)
[23:00] <tomreyn> Gigabitten: have you done a file system check on it?
[23:00] <ducasse> Gigabitten: is the fs clean?
[23:00] <Gigabitten> I formatted and checked it with gparted with no problems, if that's what you mean
[23:01] <Gigabitten> is that a different kind of check?
[23:01] <tomreyn> fsck or e2fsck is what we mean
[23:01] <Gigabitten> ah
[23:01] <tomreyn> unmount it first
[23:01] <Gigabitten> I wasn't paying attention to what gparted was doing lol
[23:01] <tomreyn> thenrun it against /dev/sda2 after reading the manual
[23:02] <Gigabitten> lol got it
[23:05] <Gigabitten> it says it's "clean"
[23:06] <Gigabitten> specifically, I did `fsck /dev/sda2 -C` expecting it to take longer
[23:12] <Gigabitten> Oh, I didn't notice this. This is odd and hopefully diagnostically useful - right about 1.7% of the filesystem is being used for some reason? But I just formatted it!
[23:14] <Gigabitten> wow, the color for used space is quite similar to the color for unused space in gparted. no wonder I didn't notice. 13.85 gigabits are "used" out of 814.61 despite the fact that it just got formatted... is something wrong with my drive?
[23:15] <oerheks> sounds normal, overhead.
[23:16] <Gigabitten> okay, good.
[23:16] <tomreyn> Gigabitten: if the file system isn't marked dirty then you need to force the file system check. but if it's very new it should not be dirty.
[23:18] <Gigabitten> No, it's not new at all lol
[23:18] <Gigabitten> which is to say that the drive is quite old
[23:18] <ducasse> didn't you say you just formatted it?
[23:19] <Gigabitten> heck, never mind, I got mixed up
[23:19] <Bashing-om> Gigabitten: oerheks Normal house keeping at 5% on 814 gigs I would expect about 40 gigs to be taken.
[23:19] <tomreyn> if the file system is older: e2fsck -fD /dev/sda2
[23:19] <Gigabitten> when you said "the file system" I mentally substituted "the drive"
[23:19] <Gigabitten> yeah, no, I just created this partition yesterday.
[23:20] <tomreyn> so there are disk / storages, there are partition tables, there are partitions, there are file systems, and sometimes more than that. ;-)
[23:20] <tomreyn> and other times less, too
[23:20] <Gigabitten> I know what MOST of that is
[23:21] <Gigabitten> I presume a partition table tells the computer metadata about the partitions?
[23:21] <Gigabitten> so that it can use them?
[23:21] <tomreyn> yes, it's basically a list of partitions, defines where they are and what type
[23:21] <Gigabitten> cool
[23:22] <Gigabitten> I've learned some interesting stuff but I still have no idea why it's read-only lol
[23:22] <Gigabitten> I'm waiting for it to be something tremendously stupid
[23:23] <tomreyn> what's telling you that it is read-only, how does it tell you so, and what is "it" exactly?
[23:26] <tomreyn> and what does this return?  sudo file -s /dev/sda2
[23:26] <Gigabitten> ...um
[23:26] <Gigabitten> I think I may have just figured something out
[23:27] <Gigabitten> Steam was telling me it was read-only. When I tried to make a file in there in the terminal, it told me permission denied. My brain finally put 2 and 2 together and I realized that the problem might just be that Steam doesn't have write permission to that directory.
[23:27] <Gigabitten> Like, sudo mkdir heck worked fine
[23:27] <Gigabitten> so I suspect that's what's going on
[23:27] <Gigabitten> how silly
[23:28] <tomreyn> so steams' error message was misleading in saying "read-only", since you may not even have read permission there.
[23:29] <Gigabitten> Yep!
[23:29] <Gigabitten> I assumed it meant that the drive can only be read from but it meant that *it* can only read
[23:29] <sarnold> man I *hate* programs that don't pass through the *real* error message
[23:29] <Gigabitten> anyway how do I mount a drive with wx perms
[23:30] <Gigabitten> maybe it's in the man page for mount
[23:30] <ducasse> you probably want to chown it to your user-id
[23:30] <Gigabitten> ah okay
[23:31] <ducasse> !permissions | Gigabitten read this
[23:31] <Gigabitten> when you say "user ID" do you just mean my name on this system or is there a UUID I need to track down
[23:31] <Gigabitten> I know how chmod works, with the 1 bit for read and the 2 for write and the 4 for execute
[23:32] <Gigabitten> ...or is that backwards
[23:32] <ducasse> your user name or numeric id
[23:32] <Gigabitten> okay I kinda know
[23:32] <ducasse> that's backwards
[23:32] <Gigabitten> heck
[23:32] <Gigabitten> oh yeah of course it is
[23:32] <Gigabitten> numbers are built from right to left, silly
[23:33] <ducasse> and you want chown, not chmod
[23:33] <Gigabitten> yeah, I know
[23:33] <Gigabitten> erm, which is to say
[23:33] <Gigabitten> I know because you told me
[23:33] <Bashing-om> Gigabitten: ducasse Steam: a group that "user" needs to be added to ?
[23:33] <ducasse> steam runs as his uid, so just give your user access
[23:34] <Bashing-om> ducasse: :)
[23:35] <Gigabitten> well, `sudo chown myuser /dev/sda2` doesn't seem to have broken anything obvious. And that's permanent?
[23:36] <Gigabitten> I can't imagine why it wouldn't be
[23:36] <sarnold> yikes
[23:36] <Gigabitten> um
[23:36] <Gigabitten> was that the wrong thing to do
[23:36] <sarnold> you've changed the permissions on the device node, not the filesystem
[23:36] <Gigabitten> uh-oh
[23:36] <Gigabitten> is that bad
[23:37] <Gigabitten> I thought the two were synonymous and mounting just conflated them for usability
[23:37] <Gigabitten> I've never heard the term "device node" before
[23:37] <ducasse> you want to mount it and chown the mountpoint
[23:37] <Gigabitten> frick
[23:38] <Gigabitten> do I need to chown the device node to root?
[23:38] <sarnold> Gigabitten: many devices on the system have a device node in /dev that is used to refer to the device; there's terminals, serial lines, block devices, parallel ports, etc
[23:38] <sarnold> Gigabitten: yes, sudo chown root /dev/sda2
[23:38] <Gigabitten> Okay, should be fine now lol
[23:38] <Gigabitten> shit, the stuff nobody teaches you until you mess it up
[23:38] <Gigabitten> in fairness I probably should have known that lol
[23:39] <ducasse> this is what documentation is for ;)
[23:39] <tomreyn> you probably want:   sudo chown root:disk /dev/sda2
[23:40] <tomreyn> ":disk" is to have it owned by the group (and anyone in this group) "disk"
[23:41] <Gigabitten> Okay, that worked. I need to go quite badly, so good timing.
[23:41] <Gigabitten> Thanks, bye!
[23:41] <tomreyn> see you
[23:41] <Gigabitten> glad this place is so friendly
[23:41] <ducasse> have fun
[23:53] <Knight_Of_Wars> hello can someone help me with port forwarding issue i configured my router and modem to cast to ip 10.0.193 but when i use ifconfig it still wont connect to it
[23:56] <sarnold> Knight_Of_Wars: what have you don eso far? where are you stuck?
[23:56] <Knight_Of_Wars> okey i allows ufw
[23:56] <Knight_Of_Wars> and allows ssh
[23:57] <Knight_Of_Wars> and accepted iptables
[23:57] <Knight_Of_Wars> only thing it wont change is the inet
[23:57] <Knight_Of_Wars> it stuck on 10.0.0.7
[23:57] <Knight_Of_Wars> i need it to be on 193
[23:59] <sarnold> what is "it"?
[23:59] <Knight_Of_Wars> it = inet its stuck on 10.0.0.7
[23:59] <Knight_Of_Wars> instead of 10.0.0.193