[00:23] <sarnold> pcworld: https://usn.ubuntu.com/4247-1/ should fix your issue
[00:23] <sarnold> pcworld: thanhks for the report
[00:35] <CarlFK> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-5.3.0-26-generic
[00:35] <CarlFK> libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod-config.c:656 kmod_config_parse: /etc/modprobe.d/gryo.conf line 1: ignoring bad line starting with 'hid_sensor_hub'
[00:36] <CarlFK> I'm guessing because I did:
[00:38] <CarlFK> sudo vim /etc/default/grub  ... GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="modprobe.blacklist=hid_sensor_hub"
[00:39] <CarlFK> nvm - /etc/modprobe.d/gryo.conf ... hid_sensor_hub
[01:03] <sarnold> pcworld: https://usn.ubuntu.com/4247-2/ rather (sorry)
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold, is there a way to determine if a machine is affected?
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> or rather, does that only affect an attempt to update to a newer version of Ubuntu?
[01:24] <sarnold> pragmaticenigma: well, there may still be other consequences of the python-apt update -- but the do-release-upgrade command ought to be working again
[01:26] <pcworld> sarnold: thanks, worked around it in the meantime. But nice that it got fixed so quickly.
[01:30] <pragmaticenigma> thanks sarnold ... wasn't planning on version upgrade... didn't know if it affected the regular updates
[01:31] <sarnold> pragmaticenigma: I don't believe it does
[02:39] <ajvermillion> Hey, I would appreciate some help if I am going crazy
[02:39] <ajvermillion> I got a new machine (identical in every way except RAM and SSD) and swapped the RAM and SSD into it
[02:40] <ajvermillion> Now, I cannot boot because GRUB is missing
[02:40] <ajvermillion> I've tried everything I can find online, even installing ubuntu again on a spare partition (hoping it will set things up for itself) to no avail
[02:41] <ajvermillion> What should I do? The old machine had a bad mobo, so I cannot do anything with it, but the RAM and SSD were fine on it till the end
[02:53] <gambl0re> hello?
[03:19] <pipegeek> Hi folks.
[03:19] <pipegeek> Question.
[03:20] <Bashing-om> !ask | pipegeek
[03:20] <Wally> Can anyone direct me to how I would start a preseed config from network via grub?
[03:20] <brendantcc> okay y'all can kick me for being offtopic if you want to, but i have a USB drive that has an Ubuntu 18.04 LTS ISO flashed to it, and I have 2 machines with Ubuntu installed. HOWEVER, I haven't used the installer USB for quite a long time and am kind of tempted to start using it as a general purpose USB for school. What should I do?
[03:20] <Wally> i've tried net_bootp and it cannot find any network cards.
[03:21] <Wally> brendantcc just erase it using whatever disk management suite your OS has
[03:21] <pipegeek> I have a single package held at a specific version (google chrome) because I need it there to develop on a really ancient application (current chrome's remote adb debugger seems to break for this app and I haven't tracked down why).  That browser is not used for any other reason.
[03:21] <genii> Wally: There is an ipxe addon for grub.
[03:21] <Wally> Kinda no point keeping these usb images around specifically as they're probably going to be upgraded eventually.
[03:21] <brendantcc> cheers Wally! :)
[03:21] <Wally> is that via insmod?
[03:22] <pipegeek> My question is: I'd like to upgrade ubuntu.  The upgrade process silently refuses to start because not all packages are up to date.
[03:22] <pipegeek> is there any way to force the upgrade to proceed despite the held package?
[03:22] <Wally> genii the problem is I'm sorta restricted in using PXE as Windows is hogging that entire thing :)
[03:23] <pipegeek> (I am on ubuntu 19.04; upgrading to 19.10)
[03:23] <Wally> I just need DHCP access which I cannot seem to get unless I go to busybox
[03:23] <genii> pipegeek: 19.04 went End Of Life a while ago. Change the sources.list urls to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[03:24] <pipegeek> genii, that doesn't really answer the question.  I'm upgrading to latest ubuntu from next-to-latest
[03:24] <pipegeek> the upgrade tool ought to still work, shouldn't it?
[03:24] <genii> pipegeek: Then do all the upgrades required to bring your packages up to date. Then upgrade to 10.10
[03:24] <genii> 19.10...rather
[03:25] <pipegeek> genii, and I am saying, there is a specific package that is held back at an ancient version, and I'm wondering if there's a way to bypass that check so I don't have to uninstall it and track down that ancient deb again after.
[03:25] <genii> pipegeek: I've stated what you need to do as succintly as I can.
[03:26] <pipegeek> genii, I understand what you are telling me to do.  I am asking if there is another way.  If you are saying that there isn't, that's fine haha
[03:26] <pipegeek> I just want to know if there isn't.
[03:26] <pipegeek> I don't think the question is unreasonable x)
[03:27] <Wally> have you done a dist-upgrade?
[03:27] <genii> pipegeek: do-release-upgrade won't proceed unless the version you're upgrading from is without dependency issues
[03:27] <pipegeek> that said, I think the "other way" it now occurs to me is to disable /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
[03:27] <pipegeek> and then do the upgrade.
[03:27] <pipegeek> if I do that, it won't see that there is a newer version.
[03:28] <pipegeek> that is the answer I was looking for.
[03:28] <Wally> yeah that'd be an option
[03:28] <pipegeek> thanks, Wally :)
[03:28] <Wally> np I suppose :P
[03:28] <pipegeek> x)
[03:28] <pipegeek> alright, let's try this
[03:28] <Wally> Grub doesn't even detect a network card -_-
[03:29] <pipegeek> yup, there it goes.
[03:29] <Wally> Winner
[03:30] <pipegeek> hahaha amusingly the upgrade tool actually disables all 3rd party sources.list.d/ entries anyway, it just refuses to proceed to the point of doing so in my case unless I do it myself first xD
[03:37] <gambl0re> hello?
[03:46] <Wally> hi
[03:48] <pipegeek> gambl0re, feel free to ask your question :)
[03:48] <gambl0re> oh ok, does anyone use tlp?
[03:50] <pipegeek> it's best to just ask the question you're trying to solve --- people check back periodically and anyone who knows tlp will then be able to see it and respond
[03:50] <pipegeek> (I unfortunately do not)
[03:51] <pipegeek> (also, welcome!)
[03:51] <Wally> I've used tlp here and there but not the one to ask about it :)
[03:55] <pipegeek> now finally dealing with the fact that I made the / LV too small years ago and it's now too full to upgrade xD
[03:55] <pipegeek> my partition table is a mess resulting from having steadily encroached on my windows partition until I finally decided to remove it
[03:55] <pipegeek> but pvmove is magic!
[03:58] <pipegeek> gambl0re, feel free to just ask your question.  If someone can answer, they'll respond when they can.  It may be a while x)
[04:01] <gambl0re> yes but by the time somebody answers i wont be online
[04:02] <gambl0re> if anyone can help me, just PM me. thanks
[04:19] <sparr> I just upgraded from kernel 4.15 to 5.3 and installed the backported iwlwifi driver package to get my wifi card working again. Now it's recognized and I can see networks and I can try to connect, but all wpa2 passwords are rejected. How can I troubleshoot that?
[04:21] <pipegeek> if you haven't, might be worth seeing if anything that looks relevant is showing up in journalctl or dmesg
[04:23] <pipegeek> sparr,
[04:24] <pipegeek> I expect the connection attempts are likely being logged to journald and you may see the reason for the failure in there
[04:29] <sparr> https://gist.github.com/sparr/6f8653c911eed277cb2045d92e26c38b
[04:30] <sparr> that's the span of time from selecting a network, authentication failing, I am prompted for the password, I cancel the prompt
[04:31] <sparr> sometimes the failure takes 1 second, sometimes 10
[04:32] <tatertots> sparr: your password for Loopback Lab is accepted
[04:32] <tatertots> sparr: and you are successfully associated and authenticated with Loopback labs wireless network
[04:33] <sparr> at no point do I have a fully successful authentication. a new password prompt pops up 1-10 seconds after I try to connect.
[04:34] <sparr> I'm having other problems with the 5.3 kernel. I'm gonna try 5.2 to see if this or other problems go away. back shortly.
[04:34] <pipegeek> kk
[04:35] <sparr> oh, I guess not...
[04:35] <sparr> 5.2 doesn't seem available
[04:37] <tatertots> Jan 22 20:27:40 shaggy NetworkManager[1102]: <info>  [1579753660.2167] device (p2p-dev-wlp2s0): supplicant management interface state: authenticating -> associating
[04:37] <tatertots> Jan 22 20:27:40 shaggy kernel: wlp2s0: authenticated
[04:37] <tatertots> seems you get disassociated at some point and then a handshake failure
[04:37] <tatertots> wierd...maybe  jeremy31 is around
[04:39] <sparr> aha, gonna try the oem kernel, apparently it actually ships with iwlwifi drivers
[04:39] <pipegeek> sparr: have you tried disabling hardware encryption?
[04:39] <sparr> worst case, I have to go back to 4.15 and keep troubleshooting the much bigger wifi problem there
[04:39] <pipegeek> sudo modprobe iwlwifi nohwcrypt=1
[04:40] <pipegeek> after rmmod iwlwifi of course
[04:40] <pipegeek> I'm just curious if that causes it to start working because if it does you may at least know where to start looking for what is broken
[04:40] <pipegeek> sparr: oh, or yes that (the oem kernel) x)
[04:41] <sparr> with nohwcrypt=1 I am re-prompted for the password in <1 second almost every time
[04:41] <pipegeek> huh.  odd.
[04:41] <pipegeek> and I assume you *are* able to connect to unsecured wireless networks and that you've double-checked that the password is correct
[04:42] <pipegeek> (though I assume that it must be if it's the same one that was working before the upgrade)
[04:42] <sparr> yes, I am able to connect to unsecured networks
[04:42] <pipegeek> and yes, if there's a known-good kernel that may be the simplest option x)
[04:42] <sparr> and yes I've many-checked the password, despite it being the saved password that worked before the problem that prompted the upgrade
[04:42] <pipegeek> right.  I mean, I figured
[04:42] <pipegeek> just didn't want not to have asked haha
[04:42] <pipegeek> good luck.
[04:43] <sparr> the pre-upgrade problem was also wifi related, the card wasn't recognized at all because I couldn't get iwlwifi built for kernel 4.15
[04:45] <pipegeek> Grrrrrr.
[04:47] <sparr> backport-iwlwifi-dkms would install and build... a module not compatible with the running kernel
[04:47] <sparr> maybe I need to go back to 4.15 where everything else worked fine and work harder to fix THAT
[04:47] <tatertots> or get yourself a $15 USB wireless card
[04:48] <tatertots> and call it a day
[04:48] <sparr> that would make my laptop significantly less portable
[04:48] <tatertots> yeah..but what good is being portable without connectivity
[04:48] <sparr> ok, new question!
[04:49] <sparr> my grub menu has just one main "Ubuntu" entry and a few maintenance entries, not one entry per kernel like I am used to seeing
[04:49] <sparr> how can I persistently change the kernel that's used by that entry?
[04:49] <tatertots> I think the older kernels go away on their own now in newer ubuntu version
[04:50] <tatertots> unlike the old days
[04:51] <tatertots> sparr: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[04:51] <tatertots> do you actually have more than two kernel versions on the system?
[05:00] <sparr> I am
[05:02] <sparr> I'm and yes I do
[05:02] <sparr> I'm getting internet via bluetooth tethering
[05:02] <tatertots> sparr: in terminal> awk -F\' '/menuentry / {print $2}' /boot/grub/grub.cfg|nc termbin.com 9999
[05:02] <tatertots> sparr: share url/link here
[05:02] <tatertots> sparr: if you do not get a url/link....say so
[05:03] <sparr> I have installed 4.15.0-1065-oem, 4.15.0-1066-oem, 5.0.0-1033-oem-osp1, 5.3.0-26-generic
[05:04] <sparr> https://termbin.com/uw8z
[05:05] <tatertots> sparr: my grub menu has just one main "Ubuntu" entry and a few maintenance entries, not one entry per kernel like I am used to seeing
[05:05] <tatertots> sparr: that's not what I see
[05:06] <tatertots> sparr: i see one entry per kernel
[05:06] <sparr> the list that command produced is what I am used to the grub menu looking like in past years
[05:06] <sparr> I'll reboot and take a photo, brb
[05:06] <tatertots> okie dokie
[05:08] <tatertots> i'd expect the photo to be the same
[05:08] <tatertots> but i guess we'll see
[05:10] <sparr> four entries, first is "*Ubuntu" which boots the default/current/whatever kernel. Second is "Advanced options for Ubuntu" which is a submenu that contains the list of kernels (yay for finding that!), three is System setup and four is Restore OS to factory state
[05:11] <sparr> so, good news, I found the kernel list and selected 5.0.0-1033-oem-osp1 and my wifi Just Works, and my other 5.3 problem may also be gone, so yay
[05:11] <sparr> that leaves me needing to figure out how to make this kernel be used by the "*Ubuntu" grub menu entry
[05:12] <sparr> I'm sure I'll eventually run into a problem with 5.0, but maybe by then there will be a newer 5.x.x-oem
[05:13] <tatertots> you can set the default kernel to boot into using the grub-set-default X command, where X is the number of the kernel you want to boot into. In some distributions you can also set this number by editing the /etc/default/grub file and setting GRUB_DEFAULT=X , and then running update-grub
[05:13] <tatertots> sparr: that should address that
[05:14] <sparr> I found that instruction online, but that seems to mean that X is really the number of the menu entry?
[05:15] <sparr> so I either need to know how to represeent an item in a sub-menu, or I need to change the kernel the entry on the top level menu uses
[05:16] <tatertots> sparr:  X=4/15 blah blah blah
[05:16] <tatertots> 4.15
[05:16] <sparr> wait, what?
[05:17] <sparr> none of the docs appear to suggest I can use a kernel version to refer to a menu entry. how would that even work, since you can represent non-linux stuff as grub menu entries like booting to windows or from a diskette?
[05:18] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Submenus
[05:19] <tatertots> "Setting a Main Menu entry as the default
[05:19] <tatertots> "
[05:19] <tatertots> The title can also be used to specify the menuentry to be used.
[05:20] <tatertots> GRUB_DEFAULT="Ubuntu, with Linux 3.2.0-23-generic"
[05:20] <tatertots> sparr: like that
[05:21] <tatertots> sparr: good luck...have fun
[05:22] <sparr> thanks, will see if I can get it to work
[06:08] <Intelo> Hi
[06:08] <quadrathoch2> hey Intelo, if you have a question, just ask away
[06:08] <Intelo> Is there a way to install ubuntu UI on a different computer and backend/server on a different computer and then make the communicate over LAN?
[06:10] <quadrathoch2> as far as I understand your question, yes. but I am not 100% sure I understand the question
[06:10] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, If you tell how, it will cross tally my question too
[06:11] <quadrathoch2> Intelo, maybe try to explain your question in another way
[06:12] <Intelo> You install server ubuntu on one machine, you install kde on another.
[06:12] <Intelo> makes sense?
[06:12] <quadrathoch2> yes
[06:12] <Intelo> quadrathoch2,  just like a web page. html and backed database are separate things. Don't need to be on same machine but can communicate
[06:13] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, How is it possible for an OS like ubuntu
[06:14] <quadrathoch2> Intelo, yes it's possible, without any issue. you just need to tell the programs what to do (if something certain happens)
[06:14] <tatertots> i doubt it
[06:14] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, give me one example
[06:14] <Intelo> tatertots, me too but curious
[06:15] <quadrathoch2> hm any bigger homepage has multiple servers in the back
[06:15] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, not neccesarily
[06:16] <quadrathoch2> as I said, most bigger sites. not any
[06:24] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, ok
[06:43] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, whats the difference between X forwarding and thin client?
[06:45] <quadrathoch2> Intelo, oO you can't really compare them. as X forwarding is software, a thin client is a pc
[06:45] <quadrathoch2> so hardware
[07:12] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, how does thin client uses resources?
[07:12] <Intelo> of server
[07:14] <quadrathoch2> Intelo, thin clients only show you the GUI, the heavy lifting is done on the server. So you need a very powerful server if you have multiple thin clients
[07:15] <Intelo> hm
[07:15] <quadrathoch2> But you could configure it to a point where maybe the thin client has a full OS.
[07:15] <quadrathoch2> as thin clients are pretty powerful nowadays
[07:16] <Intelo> Is there a browser based UI for ubuntu os?
[07:18] <quadrathoch2> Intelo, depends on your needs. I would just use for example openbox, i3 or sth like that and put firefox into kiosk mode
[07:21] <Intelo> sth?
[07:23] <tatertots> he doesn't actually own any thin clients so..
[07:24] <quadrathoch2> Intelo, something
[07:24] <quadrathoch2> tatertots, I assumed that as well
[07:27] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, what will openbox and ff do in a nutshell?
[07:27] <Intelo> quadrathoch2, trying to understand your setup
[07:28] <tatertots> what ubuntu issue are you actually having?
[07:29] <quadrathoch2> Intelo, openbox is just a window manager so you can show firefox. And you were asking for a browser... that's why I was mentioning firefox in kiosk mode
[07:29] <tatertots> I think there's a whole ubuntu-offtopic room
[07:29] <tatertots> for casual non technical support related convo
[07:29] <quadrathoch2> tatertots, that's what I am also myself asking
[07:30] <tatertots> if Intelo wants to do a poll or ask what other users are doing he needs to go to ubuntu-offtopic
[07:31] <tatertots> he doesn't actually have a ubuntu technical issue at the moment
[07:47] <furycd001> HI.. I'm starting a quick n' dirty webserver inside a directory using python.3. Is there any way I can make the server accessible to all devices connected on the same network ??
[07:47] <furycd001> How I'm running the server is by  >>  python3 -m http.server --cgi 8080
[09:24] <NeoHamled> Is it expected that the amount disk space required for the filesystem bookkeeping/metadata, for a 4 TB ext4 volume which is empty, is on the order of tens of gigabytes?
[09:28] <tatertots> there's always going to be some overhead used so you'll never get the advertised capacity after disk is in use
[09:29] <NeoHamled> Yeah, I was just worried... I'm doing this on a sparse virtual disk for a VM and I'm watching the size of it grow as it formats, I think I just never noticed before how large that overhead is
[09:56] <Kharec> 'morning
[11:02] <JadedJ> Hi. What is a good network monitor tool that allows you to track data used on a network interface
[11:03] <JadedJ> Ideally stats for per day
[11:31] <tatertots> JadedJ: ntopg, nagios
[11:32] <tatertots> JadedJ: zabbix
[11:37] <eliyahuTBR> how can i do gnome-screenshot -a from gnome w/o using the command line?
[11:37] <quadrathoch2> eliyahuTBR, alt+f2? idk if it works
[11:38] <eliyahuTBR> alt+f2 is a volume control for me. alt+printscreen captures the entire screen
[11:38] <tatertots> eliyahuTBR: just press print screen button on the keyboard or ctrl+alt+printscreen
[11:49] <JadedJ> tatertots: Are those desgined for ubuntu server?
[12:02] <Cheez> JadedJ: they're more generic than that but there isn't much about ubuntu networking that's particularly different to other linux distros.
[12:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> Hii. I am trying to install eoan on a lenovo legion laptop. Which has 16gb optane memory. The installer just hangs while scanning drives for partitions. Even grub got stuck while searching for partitions. Any ideas on how to go about?
[12:11] <tatertots> The_LoudSpeaker: try a different version/edition
[12:11] <The_LoudSpeaker> tatertots: k. Will try.
[12:15] <thyriaen> Hello, i am looking for a simple approach to send pdfs as emails - embed an pdf in an email so to say. not as an attachment
[12:15] <thyriaen> I would imagine to use html in my email which displays a pdf document but there might be another way i am not familiar with
[12:16] <thyriaen> since digging around a little, using html seem to be problematic due to a missing standard and different rendering engines so i can never be sure it will display my content
[12:17] <tatertots> copy/paste
[12:18] <tatertots> doesn't get much simpler than that
[12:18] <thyriaen> if i copy a pdf and paste it into my email client it just writes oout the link
[12:19] <thyriaen> i am using geary, if that matters
[12:19] <thyriaen> tatertots, which client are you using ?
[12:20] <tatertots> that means you're not copying the pdf contents
[12:22] <thyriaen> Thank you for your help !
[12:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:32] <myuser__> Is there going to be any support for kernel 5.4 in Ubuntu 18.04?
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> myuser__: why do you need 5.4?
[12:34] <quadrathoch2> myuser__, when 20.04 is out, it will happen after some time afterwards
[12:36] <myuser__> lotuspsychje = More support for Ryzen 3000 hardware
[12:37] <myuser__> Any other way to get Ryzen 3000 sensor support? e.g. userland app, LKM, etc?
[12:37] <quadrathoch2> myuser__, I would just wait till 20.04 is out
[12:37] <myuser__> quadrathoch2: Any timeline on that?
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> quadrathoch2: 20.04 already have 5.4
[12:38] <quadrathoch2> well, in april ^^
[12:38] <myuser__> Oh, sweet
[12:38] <quadrathoch2> that's why you have the 4 after the dot ^^
[12:38] <eaxxae> what's the best free way to easily add 2 factor authentication to a Ubuntu Desktop box ?
[12:38] <myuser__> Oh, I never knew that
[12:38] <eaxxae> can you use duo.com, with ubuntu desktop ?
[12:39] <myuser__> eaxxae: is duo free?
[12:39] <pragmaticenigma> eaxxae: Yes, you can use many different 2FA options... Look into pam modules
[12:40] <eaxxae> pragmaticenigma, thx.
[12:40] <eaxxae> myuser__, yes, I used it on my mac it's mostly free
[12:41] <eaxxae> I want to use something that can send text messages to a cell phone thou
[12:42] <pragmaticenigma> eaxxae: None of those options are free... as a SMS service provider has to be involved. Also, SMS is NOT secure and shouldn't be used for 2FA
[12:43] <eaxxae> pragmaticenigma, why do you say it's unsafe, you mean an app on a smartphone is more secure ?
[12:45] <myuser__> Is there a set of standard tests that can be run for stress-ng. I don't really know what options would be use to determine the hardware is solid, but not fry it.
[12:47] <pragmaticenigma> eaxxae: Unfortunately that isn't a topic for this channel. But SMS is trivial to circumvent, seach for "SIM Swapping Attack" on the web and you'll see why.
[12:50] <eaxxae> pragmaticenigma, makes sense. thanks.
[13:12] <frank1e> is there anyone here who can help me with google chrome sync and ubuntu 19?
[13:13] <tatertots> did you log into chrome?
[13:13] <frank1e> hi tatertots! yes. also I entered the password from chrome sync
[13:14] <frank1e> when checking on google.com how many passwords are stored, it says arond 800.
[13:14] <tatertots> was your log in successful? did you see error?
[13:14] <frank1e> but it syncs 0 passwords to my ubuntu chrome
[13:14] <frank1e> yes
[13:15] <frank1e> maybe useful information: on booting ubuintu chrome said that it was not shut down correctly.
[13:15] <pragmaticenigma> frank1e: Chrome is supported by Google, support for chrome is available here: https://support.google.com/chrome/?hl=en#topic=7438008
[13:16] <pragmaticenigma> frank1e: This channel focuses support on software made available through the official Ubuntu software repositories
[13:16] <frank1e> ok
[13:17] <oerheks> chrome does not say something on boot, that must be ubuntu itself
[13:17] <Ool> use chromium :)
[13:17] <frank1e> oerheks, it did say that when booting ubuntu and starting chrome right away
[13:17] <frank1e> anyway, will use the google help site then. thanks for your time!
[13:21] <oerheks> frank1e, wipe the ~/.config/google-chrome folder, and restart chrome, login and sync
[13:21] <oerheks> maybe some cruft under ~/.cache too
[13:32] <frank1e> oerheks, the .cache folder was it, thanks!
[13:33] <frank1e> :)
[13:33] <oerheks> yay, have fun!
[14:49] <bbigras> Anyone knows if sssd will be affected be the upcoming Microsoft LDAP change in March? It seems it will. I was wondering if the Ubuntu devs were tracking that.
[14:51] <siwica> I am on 18.04 LTS, how can I install a specific package from 19.10 while staying with 18.04?
[14:51] <quadrathoch2> siwica, i wouldn't do it, it could break alot
[14:53] <BluesKaj> siwica, that's bad practice, as quadrathoch2 said it could break your system and put you in dependency hell
[14:53] <siwica> I am debugging a Samba problem and want to try out whether or not the Samba version from 19.10 solves it.
[14:53] <zanshin> siwica: Use a VM for your testing?
[14:54] <BluesKaj>  just not advisable
[14:55] <siwica> Well, maybe I'll just update to 19.10 then since the next LTS seems to be coming soon.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> siwica, what's wrong with your existing samba version, what kind of errors are you getting, if any
[14:55] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:57] <siwica> Well, basically we're experiencing some weird behaviour on two Windows machines that are potentially connected to Samba shares. The IT person we hired to resolve the issue asked me whether I could upgrade Samba on the Server.
[14:57] <siwica> I doubt a newer version will resolve it though.
[14:57] <quadrathoch2> and what issues are those?
[15:00] <siwica> The Windows Explorer does not refresh after any changes (file creation, renaming, ..) and the computer gets stuck during shutdown. The issues are gone when there is no network connection.
[15:01] <siwica> It's very puzzling to me that the symptoms are related to something going on on the network, but it seems with Windows anything is possible.
[15:01] <quadrathoch2> siwica, I would try with a vm, container, or really upgrade (which is probably the worst idea)
[15:01] <quadrathoch2> if you really want to upgrade the samba server
[15:03] <quadrathoch2> siwica, if you already have a container (docker) playfield it shouldn't take long
[15:03] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: an update to samba is not likely to solve that issue. and it honestly sounds more like a problem with authentication, you mentioned earlier that you're running LDAP... does windows use the same credentials to access the smb shares?
[15:04] <siwica> Hm, not running LDAP. Where did I mention that?
[15:04] <quadrathoch2> he didn't mention ldap pragmaticenigma
[15:04] <siwica> I also thought it might me connected to authentication.
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> quadrathoch2: The very first thing they stated in the chat
[15:04] <quadrathoch2> but I also assume it's windows :/
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> oh... woops
[15:05] <quadrathoch2> :)
[15:05] <siwica> I could post a my smb.conf?
[15:05]  * pragmaticenigma apologies for the assumption... hexchat color coded two people with the color
[15:05] <quadrathoch2> siwica, that would be great
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> paste.ubuntu.com is a good place siwica
[15:08] <siwica> https://pastebin.com/Svfq0PPH
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: just a thought... anything in the samba logs? /var/log/smbd.log (I think)
[15:12] <quadrathoch2> siwica, the samba server is running on 18.04 or?
[15:12] <siwica> Yes, running on 18.04
[15:12] <quadrathoch2> so maybe the technician is not wrong :/ https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/windows-10-explorer-doesnt-refresh-after-copying/75855db6-993f-49d1-80a8-d2ee6b46e309
[15:13] <quadrathoch2> he fixed it by using a newer samba server version, and probably this happened again, as ms was 'updating' the samba client side maybe
[15:14] <pragmaticenigma> Wasn't there some samba updates just pushed to ubuntu in the last week?
[15:15] <tatertots> siwica: what is the actual issue?.....2x windows PC's "potentially" connected to a SMB share on ubuntu?...they either are or they aren't but that still doesn't shed any light on the actual problem
[15:15] <quadrathoch2> no idea, not using ubuntu :/
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: I presently have several samba updates waiting for updates on my machine that were pushed out in the last week. Have you made sure your server is fully patched?
[15:17] <quadrathoch2> pragmaticenigma, i assumed the server was fully patched
[15:18] <tatertots> siwica: an example of a problem would be something like "I'm trying to share files with windows PC and it does not work"...or "I am sharing files with windows PC and they can read but NOT write"
[15:19] <siwica> The server is fully patched. Just installed the most recent samba updates.
[15:19] <quadrathoch2> tatertots, huh? he explained fully clear what's not working
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> quadrathoch2: I don't assume that when it appears requester is in a business environment... many business wait on patching to see if there are bugs (and also when patches were released within the last 2 days)
[15:20] <tatertots> quadrathoch2: where?...copy and repaste his post..."weird behavior" isn't detailed
[15:20] <tatertots> quadrathoch2: did you read more into "weird behavior" than i did?
[15:20] <siwica> tatertots: I clarified in a later post.
[15:20] <quadrathoch2> tatertots, The Windows Explorer does not refresh after any changes (file creation, renaming, ..) and the computer gets stuck during shutdown. The issues are gone when there is no network connection.
[15:21] <quadrathoch2> pragmaticenigma, oh, didn't know the patches were that new. so you are right :/
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> tatertots: is smb used for shared printing?
[15:21] <tatertots> quadrathoch2: thanks
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't see it in the config file
[15:21] <siwica> quadrathoch2: Thanks, i'll look into that Microsoft post.
[15:22] <quadrathoch2> pragmaticenigma, nope, it's not
[15:22] <siwica> I disabled shared printing to make sure the problem is not related to it.
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> err.. .sorry tatertots wrong tab
[15:23] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: here's what I'm wondering, if their was a shared printer, and there was a failed print job or something in the queue/spool... that could explain some behavior. I'd check the client machines to make sure those printers are removed and there is nothing in the printer spool directory
[15:24] <siwica> Well there was never a shared printer connected to the Ubuntu-Server. I just used some default config that had shared printing enabled initially.
[15:24] <pragmaticenigma> ah okay
[15:25] <siwica> Maybe I'll just update to 19.04 then.
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: and nothing appears in the log files at all? anything in windows event viewer show a log entry for the remote connection?
[15:25] <tatertots> that's small enough of a environment to spin up another ubuntu VM and share a folder and see if the symptom persists with a different version Ubuntu VM
[15:26] <siwica> Just need to be at site for that. Too afraid of anything going wrong while being in a city 500km away.
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: 19.04 ended support, thought you have to jump into 19.04 to reach 19.10. A lot of risk to take for this problem. I would really encourage the use of a VM and setup a test server
[15:26] <quadrathoch2> siwica, that's why I would setup a quick vm, container to see if it's really the 'old' version
[15:26] <quadrathoch2> siwica, nothing should break with this
[15:26] <pragmaticenigma> I would go as far as setting up both a 18.04 and 19.10 server... just to rule out a configuration issue
[15:27] <tatertots> if the symptom occurs only with your non LTS Ubuntu share and NOT with the LTS Ubuntu VM used for pilot testing then there you go
[15:27] <siwica> There are two more computers (running Windows 10 Home) for which the issues do not occur (while having the same shares mounted). The issue only occurs on Windows 10 Pro.
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> Then I really doubt upgrading the server is the solution
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> Doesn't matter the windows version, they all have the same libraries and software... things are just locked out from user access in Home
[15:28] <siwica> Ok, I'll probably try to use a VM then. Have KVM running for a Windows VM anyways, so that should not be too hard.
[15:28] <tatertots> so you only have an issue with 2 windows pc's while other windows PC's on the same network are fine and do not exhibit this behavior....that's very telling
[15:28] <tatertots> that kinda rules out thing right there
[15:29] <quadrathoch2> yeah, so it's more of a win problem imho, or configuration on windows issue
[15:29] <tatertots> issue is isolated to two specific windows PC and not the rest of the windows PC's on the network.....
[15:29] <siwica> Are you sure, Windows 10 Home/Pro use the absolute same libraries and have the same update plan?
[15:29] <tatertots> totally windows issue
[15:30] <quadrathoch2> siwica, yeah 100%
[15:30] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: Yes, I'm absolutely sure... they've been doing that since Windows XP... cheaper to make one program and turn features off for cheaper versions.
[15:30] <rud0lf> they do the same with CPU
[15:31] <siwica> Alright then.
[15:31] <tatertots> your symptoms stay with those two PC's while other windows PC do not exhibit the symptom...rules out ubuntu and the other windows pc's
[15:31] <quadrathoch2> siwica, if you want to really figure out if it's samba or not, just spin up a vm
[15:31] <siwica> Ok, I'll do the VM then if I have time.
[15:32] <ioria> siwica, iirc win10 uses 2 kinds of SMB : smb direct and the old smb 1.0 ; maybe on the Pro version smb 1.0 is deactivated
[15:33] <siwica> I looked at the Network traffic with wireshark. SMB2 seems to be negotiated regardless of the specific client.
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I thought Ubuntu 18.04 came with the 1.0 protocol disabled by default... I seem to remember having to turn it on for one of my network devices to beable to drop files into my server
[15:33] <siwica> Also, SMB1 is switched off after some Windows Update I think.
[15:35] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, not sure about that , sy
[15:35] <tatertots> the mere fact that all the other windows PC on the network are fine with the exception of two ..speaks volumes
[15:35] <siwica> I am really disappointed nothing useful appears in the Windows logs, though. It really sucks to debug Windows issues.
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> tatertots: you've already said those things several times now... let's focus on moving forward
[15:35] <siwica> The hardware is not identical, though.
[15:35] <ioria> siwica, restart Workstation service on the not-working windows 10
[15:37] <tatertots> pragmaticenigma: he can't spin up a ubuntu VM any time soon to get any confirmation today....so rambling on about the issue or more speculation is all you can really mean by "move forward"
[15:37] <tatertots> practically speaking
[15:40] <Praeceps> Hey, I know you can chmod from a live cd to an installed instance, but can you do the reverse, chmod into a live cd instance from an installed instance?
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> Praeceps: what exactly are you trying to do?
[15:41] <tatertots> if you're booted to LiveCD/LiveUSB how would you imagine to do that?
[15:42] <Praeceps> pragmaticenigma, Our lab computers have 16.04 on them, the software I'm trying to use doesn't seem to work properly on 16.04 and I'd like to have a consistent persistent environment to do my testing in
[15:42] <Praeceps> (The computers wipe automatically at midnight)
[15:42] <Praeceps> I have root access but the boot menu is locked down to stop people messing with the auto wiping stuff
[15:43] <leftyfb> Praeceps: if you have root, you could add a bootable usb to GRUB. Or you could just run a VM or LXD container
[15:43] <Praeceps> leftyfb, I did think about grub, would an update-grub discover the usb device?
[15:44] <leftyfb> Praeceps: I don't know the details of adding the usb to grub, I just know it's possible
[15:44] <Praeceps> Google is my friend I guess, what about just a straight up chroot into the live cd environment? Is something like that possible?
[15:44] <Praeceps> live usb? I guess in this case
[15:45] <leftyfb> Praeceps: the live environment is a squashfs filesystem. Not easily chrootable
[15:45] <siwica> ioria: Do you know how to find out the German translation of Workstation Sevice?
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> Praeceps: It's possible, but I would go the route of Live USB with persistence
[15:45] <pragmaticenigma> Praeceps: but if the machine locked down to not boot from USB... then it sounds like you need to find a different location to do your work
[15:45] <Praeceps> pragmaticenigma, I've already configured the Live USB with persistence using mkusb
[15:46] <siwica> Well, thank's for your helpt guys! I'll try spinning up a VM to see if that solves the issue.
[15:46] <Praeceps> pragmaticenigma, The ironic thing is this is the place to do my work, the locking down of the boot menu seems like an arbitrary restriction to me
[15:46] <leftyfb> Praeceps: if you don't need a GUI for anything you're working on, you really should just look at spinning up an LXD container. It takes minutes to setup
[15:46] <pragmaticenigma> Praeceps: to you perhaps... but if you're not the manager of the lab... then it sounds like you need to reach out to the manager of the lap to get permission.
[15:47] <Praeceps> pragmaticenigma, Yeah, I'm going to reach out to my supervisor
[15:47] <Praeceps> Like it's literally a lab for working with hacking tools and malware
[15:47] <Praeceps> It's intentionally cut off from the rest of the uni network
[15:48] <Praeceps> I do not understand why they feel the need to lock down the boot menu, bios maybe, but the boot menu really can't do any more harm
[15:49] <pragmaticenigma> that sounds like a topic for a different time and place. As for your current issue, it really sounds like you'd be better talking to the lab supervisor. I can see many reasons why those machines are locked down in the way the are
[15:49] <ioria> siwica, i can only guess :  Windows Arbeitsstationsdienst   ?
[15:49] <quadrathoch2> that sounds weird ioria :)
[15:50] <ioria> sorry
[15:50] <quadrathoch2> at least from a german point of view :)
[15:50] <quadrathoch2> imho
[15:50] <siwica> That's what I thought too. Not listed though.
[15:50] <quadrathoch2> but no harm ioria :)
[15:50] <Praeceps> pragmaticenigma, I was gonna shoot out an email on that front anyway. I was still kinda hoping linux would have a way just to move to another OS like that
[15:50] <quadrathoch2> siwica, what specifically are you looking for?
[15:51] <siwica> I'll install the language pack I guess
[15:51] <siwica> quadrathoch2: ioria told me to restart the Workstation Service.
[15:52] <quadrathoch2> give me a sec siwica
[15:52] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: I double checked and Ubuntu by default has ntlmv1 disabled by default, as does your config file... you might want to double check that the windows machines have v1 disabled as well. Windows could be trying to use v1, when it's not allowed
[15:54] <quadrathoch2> siwica, sorry can't figure it out, as my windows installs are all english
[15:54] <siwica> Ok, thanks I'll double check!
[15:55] <siwica> I need to do some other work now, unfortunately. Thank's a lot for your help though!
[15:55] <siwica> I might be coming back here tomorrow eveninig.
[15:57] <pragmaticenigma> siwica: You may find more precision help in the #ubuntu-server channel
[16:10] <c03> hi
[16:11] <c03> I'm connected with openvpn client to a vpn, but my ip doesn't change. I suspect my browser isn't using the tunnel network device.. how do I make it mandatory for all connections to use the VPN?
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> c03: You read the documentation: https://serverfault.com/a/480098
[16:14] <JimBuntu> c03: being on a VPN doesn't mean ALL traffic is routed through the VPN. Are you sure the VPN is asking for all traffic to be routed through it?
[16:15] <JimBuntu> "but my ip doesn't change" If you are connected to a VPN, you should have an IP associated with the virtual network interface for the VPN connection, but your normal network interface IP will not change.
[16:15] <pragmaticenigma> c03: https://openvpn.net/community-resources/how-to/#redirect
[16:16] <pragmaticenigma> JimBuntu: I think the IP doesn't change because their checking their IP address through a website, expecting the exit IP address instead of their current public ip
[16:17] <BluesKaj> some browsers will store your old IP from a nonvpn connection, just refresh the the browser if you are on an IP tracker
[16:17] <JimBuntu> I agree that would make sense pragmaticenigma, I simply want to make sure they aren't expecting to see some other change.
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> fair enough
[16:28] <pjs> how can I make a service disabled by default but I can still start/stop it with 'service foo start/stop' when I want to use it? basically I don't want it to automatically start at boot
[16:29] <pragmaticenigma> pjs: you can use "systemctl disable {servicename}" which will prevent the service from starting on boot, but you can still use it by calling "systemctl start {servicename}" after the fact
[16:31] <pjs> pragmaticenigma: ah ok, I thought there was more to it :) Thanks!
[17:50] <unixeng> Hi all...anyone here really good with logrotate configuration?
[17:51] <lotuspsychje_> unixeng: we usually focus on ubuntu support questions, if you feel its related, please ask your specific issue to the channel please
[17:51] <unixeng> Ok no worries...thanks
[17:53] <oerheks> ask, wait and see?
[17:53] <MyroSVK_> lol
[17:54] <unixeng> /join ##linux
[17:54] <unixeng> Whoops..sorry
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> unixeng: If you could specify the problem that you're trying to solve, the volunteers here will do their best to try and offer a solution or resources that may help you
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> lotuspsychje_: logrotate is part of Ubuntu. it's what takes care of managing the log files. so help wouldn't be out of scope here
[17:58] <lotuspsychje_> pragmaticenigma: my reply was to let him elaborate, not skare him away
[18:12] <fuze> kubuntu 19.10 i am experiencing graphical glitches after resuming from hibernate
[18:15] <quadrathoch2> fuze, without more info, there is no way to help
[18:15] <fuze> gpu is nvidia gt 710
[18:15] <fuze> Theres red dots all over my second monitor
[18:15] <ioria> fuze, does it go away if you restart your DE ( i think kill plasmashell  in your caseand restart) ?
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: Can you describe "glitches" ... The more details you give us, the better the volunteers can try to figure out what is going on and how to potentially fix it
[18:21] <fuze> ioria: no, but i just tried restarting sddm and it made my screen black with cursor so i had to reboot
[18:21] <fuze> pragmaticenigma: visual distortions on my screen like flickering or colored dots
[18:22] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: Any particular reason for using Hibernate?
[18:23] <pragmaticenigma> (assuming hibernate means suspend-to-disk)
[18:23] <fuze> When im doing work its easy to shutdown and resume the next day
[18:23] <ioria> fuze, nvidia driver in use ?
[18:23] <fuze> ioria: yes
[18:23] <ioria> fuze, boot with nomodeset and hibernate/suspend and see what happens
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: One recommendation is also not to hibernate. The power options Standby (suspend-to-ram) and Hibernate (suspend-to-disk) cause more problems than they solve. Also, if you are using an SSD for your main drive, you're pontentially reducing it's life as some configurations will write to the same memory cells over and over
[18:29] <fuze> pragmaticenigma: I believe ssd usage is configured at the firmware level
[18:29] <fuze> I would suspend to ram but i have rgb ram which is annoying at night
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: Right, but some controllers wear leveling see the same block of data being accessed, and continue to write over the same blocks
[18:34] <fuze> ioria: how can i tell if nomodset is enabled?
[18:34] <ioria> fuze,  cat /proc/cmdline
[18:35] <VLMC> Hello #ubuntu! I'd like to install Ubuntu 20.04 on my 2015 A1466 Macbook Air, which issues / missing features can I expect to encounter?
[18:35] <lotuspsychje_> join at #ubuntu+1 VLMC
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> VLMC: Ubuntu 20.04 hasn't been released yet. Beta support in #ubuntu+1
[18:35] <VLMC> Thanks, what about 19.10
[18:36] <oerheks> VLMC try it in live mode?
[18:36] <oerheks> easy peasy testing
[18:36] <WaV> I recently got my hands on a couple USB thumb drives. If I were to backup my various configuration files to said drives, what filesystem would be best for them?
[18:36] <fuze> ok i got kwin closed unexpectedly but no graphical errors
[18:36] <VLMC> oerheks: I have, works fine
[18:36] <pragmaticenigma> VLMC: There is no way to know what issues you may encounter until after you have installed. You're best option is to try using the Live USB option to try it out first
[18:36] <fuze> i will reboot and test again without nomodset
[18:36] <VLMC> I'm just wondering about battery life and suspend/resume
[18:37] <VLMC> I just wanted the advice of someone who's used it on such a device for a while, since macbooks are pretty popular
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> VLMC: Those all depend on your usage of the machine. Suspend-To-Ram and Suspend-to-Disk are available, however even with PCs results may very
[18:37] <fuze> ok right after i updated grub i got graphical glitches
[18:37] <VLMC> Software development on the go, I need the 8-10 hour battery life macOS provided
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> VLMC: The volunteers of this channel focus on supporting individuals actually running Ubuntu and software supplied through the official Ubuntu software repositories. The volunteers can't predict what performance your machine will see.
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> VLMC: If battery life is critical... best to stick with what you know
[18:39] <VLMC> I'd think one of the volunteers would be running an A1466 Macbook as it's a rather popular machine.
[18:39] <VLMC> If battery life is known to be bad on that machine because reasons, then I'll probably get the 2020 XPS 13 dev edition
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> VLMC: Again... channel support is for actual running instances of Ubuntu.
[18:40] <VLMC> That's quite limited, where can I talk about Ubuntu in general then?
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> #ubuntu-offtopic VLMC
[18:41] <quadrathoch2> WaV, it really depends on what systems you use, for example only linux or also windows etc
[18:43] <oerheks> VLMC, overall the battery life is less than high tweaked windows. though there is TLP and tons of other tweaks to lower usage.
[18:43] <ducasse> VLMC: ubuntu is very unlikely to give you the same battery life as macos
[18:43] <VLMC> :/
[18:43] <oerheks> gnome/kde are more resourcehungry than xfce/mate
[18:44] <oerheks> but nicer to use :-D
[18:45] <WaV> quadratho: Let's assume I chose fat, would there be any issues writing the saved configuration files on to a new linux install?
[18:45] <WaV> Example: permissions and anything else important
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> WaV: FAT32 doesn't support the native linux permission set... so copying from the drive to you install will not carry with it the permissions
[18:46] <fuze> pragmaticenigma: ok the issue seems to happen even with reboot, not even hibernate
[18:47] <fuze> ioria: didnt fix it
[18:47] <oerheks> WaV, so ext4 it is.
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: thats starting to sound more like a potential failing piece of hardware
[18:47] <ioria> fuze,  what did not fix it ?
[18:47] <fuze> ioria: nomodset
[18:47] <fuze> pragmaticenigma: I unplugged the hdmi and plugged back in and it fixed it
[18:47] <ioria> fuze,  you got artifacts even with nomodeset ?
[18:48] <WaV> pragmatic/oerheks: any other downfall aside from permissions not carrying over?
[18:48] <fuze> yes. also after last reboot desktop effects arent working
[18:48] <oerheks> WaV, with your demand, ext4 is the only option
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: well that would fall under failing hardware... the contacts in the cable can corrode over time... unplugging and plugging them back in helps to clean that corrosion off, as well as reseat the connection in case it has wiggled loose
[18:49] <fuze> also I unplugged and plugged back the hdmi from the monitor that isnt having the glitches
[18:49] <fuze> pragmaticenigma: no since it was the cable to a different monitor
[18:49] <fuze> it just forced graphical reset
[18:49] <fuze> also that doesnt explain compositor breaking
[18:49] <WaV> Ok, thanks.
[18:50] <PeGaSuS> Q: can I use Clonezilla directly from the booted system or should I use a live USB?
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> PeGaSuS: Clonezilla is designed to run stand alone, because it requires access to unmounted disks
[18:51] <PeGaSuS> pragmaticenigma: right. so, live USB :)
[18:51] <fwef> Hi, I have a laptop (Lenovo Thinkpad T480) plugged into the Lenovo Thinkpad Thunderbolt dock with 2 monitors attached. I leave my laptop with the lid closed when plugged in the dock. Whenever I unplug the dock and open the lid I'm left with a blank screen. The backlight is on but the screen is black. When I first open the lid it works, but then when I close the lid and open again I get the black screen again.
[18:51] <fwef> Any idea how to fix this issue?
[18:51] <pragmaticenigma> PeGaSuS: For further assintance, please seek the resources on clonezilla project page: http://clonezilla.org/
[18:52] <PeGaSuS> pragmaticenigma: tyvm for the quick answer and tips :)
[18:53] <pragmaticenigma> fwef: I've seen similar issues resolved by updating the firmware for the docking station
[18:54] <fwef> pragmaticenigma: can that be down within ubuntu with the firmware update tool? Because I'm not seeing any updates.
[18:55] <pragmaticenigma> fwef: I have a feeling it's something that you have to do from a windows machine... the firmware would be available on lenovo's website
[18:56] <fwef> pragmaticenigma: ok, will try, thanks for the info
[19:03] <Rabid_Raven> so... has anyone figured out a way to make sure that computers with nvidia gpus sleep properly?
[19:05] <pragmaticenigma> Rabid_Raven: This channel is more focused on support for issues. If you could explain what issue you're encountering, in as much detail the community volunteers here will do their best to try and help you fix it.
[19:05] <Rabid_Raven> pragmaticenigma, gladly.
[19:07] <Rabid_Raven> pragmaticenigma, I am using an MSI GT72 2QD with the firmware updated to the highest version. It runs Kubuntu 19.10 and uses the Nvidia proprietary driver installed automatically through Ubuntu. Whenever I request for the machine to go to sleep whether by executing the command or by closing the lid, the machine sleeps but nothing I do will ever wake it
[19:07] <Rabid_Raven> the driver is 435.xx btw
[19:12] <pragmaticenigma> Rabid_Raven: The best I can offer is to ask if you have looked into Graphics Drivers Team's PPA where they provide better tuned versions and setups for the Nvidia driver: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[19:13] <Rabid_Raven> pragmaticenigma, it's helpful advice. i was considering using the ppa version for a while, admittedly
[19:13] <Ben64> It's possible that the gpu has nothing to do with your issue though
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> Rabid_Raven: I have a much older card, but have found using that PPA very helpful in reducing the number of issues I felt I was having in the past. Biggest issue i encountered was with video playback and severe screen tearing
[19:14] <Rabid_Raven> Ben64, how would i know?
[19:15] <Ben64> I always just end up disabling sleep on laptops, there's so many possible weird components in there that may or may not like to wake up
[19:16] <Rabid_Raven> Ben64, i'm at the same stage but I recall being able to sleep with my old Dell laptop using an AMD driver back in 2008
[19:16] <Rabid_Raven> so i know sleep can work in Ubuntu. Not sure why it's still an issue in 2020.
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> I do the same on many of my machines... the suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk require so much of the hardware in the machine to be in sync with each other, I just avoid it... machine is either left on, or I make use of other tools that allow me to restore a session state, specific to the applications I use
[19:16] <Ben64> Rabid_Raven: because of the aforementioned weird components
[19:16] <Rabid_Raven> pragmaticenigma, ah, I never considered the necessity of a sync
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> Rabid_Raven: hardware manufactures assume everyone is installing Windows... Some machines go as far as to act completely differently if the OS reports itself as anything other than Windows (see ACPI)
[19:19] <pragmaticenigma> Rabid_Raven: This person has a great write up about the topic (and a regular volunteer here) https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:22] <Rabid_Raven> pragmaticenigma, that's probably why some people add the acpi_os='Windows 2009' line in /etc/default/grub then
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> Rabid_Raven: That is one of the reasons, yes
[19:24] <Rabid_Raven> yeah, I guess I'll just leave it deactivated
[19:25] <pragmaticenigma> there is no harm in trying it... but that article should help you to understand how it works and why it works
[19:30] <Rabid_Raven> pragmaticenigma, ok, the script offered on that page is definitely worth a try
[19:30] <Rabid_Raven> once i'm back home, i'll make it a priority to run it and get the strings I need
[19:30] <Rabid_Raven> thank you kindly for your help and God bless you all
[20:06] <neyder> Hi, I have a shared /home partition, with same username and UID, but when i boot to RHEL it shows me login error: no shell: permission denied
[20:07] <ducasse> neyder: we don't support rhel here
[20:08] <oerheks> shared home .. interesting idea
[20:08] <oerheks> i would not do that between ubuntu versions, so different distros is really interesting..
[20:09] <sarnold> man that's gonna bust *all* your SELinux labels on /home
[20:09] <neyder> ducasse, i'm from ubuntu
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> neyder: you won't be able to share /home partitions between different installs. Not every distribution starts the UID at the same value. Also the ACLs are going to get very confusing
[20:09] <oerheks> good luck!
[20:09] <neyder> both have 1000 UID
[20:09] <neyder> both are the same username and $HOME
[20:09] <pragmaticenigma> neyder: The ACLs are also a factor, which are uniquely tied to the install
[20:09] <ducasse> neyder: you just said you get the error under rhel
[20:10] <sarnold> neyder: it's probably best to focus on either #rhel xor #ubuntu -- not try to do both at once
[20:11] <neyder> sarnold, trying to check if someone has the same weird idea before myself
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> neyder: It would have worked prior to systemd ... now that systemd is available, which provides ACLs to the files, that is why you are encountering the issue. The ACLs are managed uniquely by each install, and if the ACL doesn't contain the right entry, it's going to assume you do not have permission for that resource
[20:12] <ioria> neyder, i have a weird idea; backup your .bashrc (or .profile) files
[20:22] <Hashtag> I did something stupid and damaged my ubuntu installation. Feel free to laugh at me, but advice on how to fix it would be nice too. I was using python 2.7 and used pip to install a bunch of stuff in global namespace, and instead of figuring out what I installed and removing that, I just removed python. Broke a lot of stuff.
[20:23] <oerheks> reinstalling python, apt needs python iirc
[20:24] <oerheks> this answer might be your help too https://askubuntu.com/a/897925
[20:25] <Hashtag> I was able to reinstall it with apt. It also uninstalled a lot of things that use python such as gimp, and I reinstalled what I noticed but it's been a pain
[20:26] <oerheks> sudo apt-get install --reinstall python2.7
[20:26] <oerheks> for short
[20:26] <Hashtag> oerheks: thanks for the link
[20:26] <tomreyn> thats if apt still works generally
[20:26] <tomreyn> otherwise you'd need to use dpkg directly
[20:27] <oerheks> latest gimp is on snapcraft https://snapcraft.io/gimp
[20:29] <sarnold> Hashtag: debsums -ac may help
[20:32] <meonkeys> on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/18/stable/current/ , why are there specific builds for rasberry pi 2, 3, snapdragon, etc? (as opposed to only arm64, i386, armhf)
[20:34] <kristian_on_linu> hi
[20:35] <ducasse> meonkeys: try #ubumtu-arm
[20:35] <kristian_on_linu> just restarted my router, and now my laptop won't connect properly ... I get the dreaded question mark icon, but no wifi or wlan
[20:35] <sarnold> meonkeys: arms are weird
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> ducasse: small typo there
[20:36] <kristian_on_linu> what should I do? I restarted the router a bit, and my laptop as well ... still no dice
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> meonkeys: I think ducasse meant #ubuntu-arm
[20:37] <ducasse> pragmaticenigma: damn laptop keyboard
[20:37] <oerheks> armhf =v7 32 bit, arm64 = v8 .. i see that the manifest gives different numbers for repositories and kernel
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> kristian_on_linu: Connect a cable from your laptop to the router and check your router settings
[20:37] <oerheks> so you will see no clutter of unusable snaps
[20:37] <kristian_on_linu> pragmaticenigma: hurm, I guess I could do that ... but I have changed nothing
[20:38] <kristian_on_linu> pragmaticenigma: I just turned it off because I needed to mess around with some cables
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> kristian_on_linu: doesn't mean that when it came back online everything stayed as it was. Also... mess around with cables is changing something
[20:39] <kristian_on_linu> pragmaticenigma: cables for my amplifier and television :)
[20:39] <kristian_on_linu> the weird thing is, my phone connects flawlessly
[20:40] <pragmaticenigma> kristian_on_linu: we start with the simplest approach and work our way up from there... if you don't want to follow the advisement, that is your choice, but continuing to ask for the next step without trying what was recommended isn't going to move this along any faster.
[20:41] <ioria> kristian_on_linu, if the wifi settings are still in the router, i suggest to restart network-manager
[20:47] <meonkeys> oerheks: but I'm asking about raspi 2 (armhf) vs raspi 3 (also listed as armhf). Are those considered different machine architectures?
[20:48] <meonkeys> ducasse, pragmaticenigma: ok, I'll try that channel too, thank you
[20:48] <waveform> meonkeys, for the purposes of core they're (currently) considered different machines. We're attempting to move towards a unified core image for pi armhf, and a separate one for arm64, but the migration story is not trivial
[20:49] <oerheks> there is no arm64 for pi2
[20:49] <kristian_on_linu> pragmaticenigma: I was not refusing to do anything, just pointing out the weirdness of the situation
[20:50] <kristian_on_linu> ioria: what settings should I look for?
[20:50] <oerheks> anyway, look at the manifest numbers, those differ, and give a selected subset of software/firmware and such
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> kristian_on_linu: and to sift through the weirdness, we need to set a baseline
[20:50] <meonkeys> oerheks: was that to me re: manifest numbers? Sorry, kinda fumbling around here as I learn...
[20:51] <ioria> kristian_on_linu, maybe the passphrase and the SSID ?
[20:51] <meonkeys> waveform: what is an example of a current incompatibility with the different pi armhf versions?
[20:54] <oerheks> it must be firmware, drivers or something.. platform dependent stuff
[20:54] <pragmaticenigma> meonkeys: I think it refers to the CPU instruction sets between the different versions and revisions of the ARM cpu architecture
[20:55] <waveform> meonkeys, there aren't any (substantial ones, that really matter for core's purposes) but for whatever reason that's the way they were defined (this was before my time so I can't comment on what the thought process way - that said, on platforms *other* than the pi it's entirely common to have sufficient differences that distinct distributions for different boards are required)
[20:55] <waveform> meonkeys, to give an idea of some of the differences: there are different device-trees for the different pis (e.g. the 3B defines the wifi interface)
[20:56] <waveform> however, if dtbs are available for all supported pis on an image, the firmware selects an appropriate one and sends it onto the next stage in the boot-chain
[20:57] <waveform> so, it is possible to support, say, pi 2 and 3 on a single core image, and that's what we're working towards but we've got to consider the migration story for existing users and that's where everything gets horribly complex :)
[20:57] <meonkeys> ok, gotcha. What are "dtbs"?
[20:58] <waveform> device-trees - basically files that tell the kernel "you've got a wifi chip at address X which is compatible with driver Y, you've got an i2c bus at address A, with sensors B and C at i2c addresses D and E, etc. etc."
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> waveform, meonkeys: I think this conversation has moved into offtopic territory... perhaps it would be a good idea to continue in #ubuntu-discuss ?
[20:59] <waveform> pragmaticenigma, fair enough - I'll pop over there in case meonkeys wishes to continue
[21:00] <meonkeys> waveform: ah, gotcha. So when an official amd64 Ubuntu LTS image (not core) is created, a ton of work has already been done on these device trees
[21:00] <meonkeys> pragmaticenigma: will do, thank you
[21:43] <lol768_> why does `sudo apt install chromium-browser` install a package which installs a snap?
[21:44] <pragmaticenigma> lol768_: going forward, chromium is now available only as a snap
[21:44] <lol768_> when did this happen? :/
[21:45] <Wally> Anyone here had any success getting a kickstart / debian-preseed working via network?
[21:45] <Wally> grub fails to detect any network cards however busybox does it fine..
[21:45] <lol768_> https://ubuntu.com/blog/chromium-in-ubuntu-deb-to-snap-transition I see
[21:46] <Wally> That's the kind of world we're in today lol768_
[21:46] <pragmaticenigma> lol768_: the frequently releases of chromium are better suited for snap, where the dependencies and other components can be better managed without requiring the host OS to be affected by required changes
[21:47] <Wally> It does make a lot of sense.
[21:48] <lol768_> pragmaticenigma: couldn't you make the same argument for Firefox?
[21:48] <Wally> Anything with rolling releases.
[21:49] <lol768_> Right, well I don't feel particularly strongly about it but it does appear to have broken chromedriver for me
[21:49] <pragmaticenigma> lol768_: You could, firefox has a different approach and doesn't require as many shared components of the OS like chromium does
[21:53] <Wally> Perhaps compiling it yourself would be a better option lol768_ ;)
[21:55] <lol768_> xD
[21:57] <Bashing-om> lol768_: Not supported here - slimjet is a chromium takeoff: https://www.slimjet.com/
[21:57] <lol768_> Right, fixed by installing chromium-chromedriver (despite the binary already existing as /snap/bin/chromium.chromedriver prior to me installing it)
[21:57] <lol768_> no idea why that would've fixed it
[21:59] <Smaug> hey all, I'm on 18.04, kernal 5.3, and when I try to connect to a certain wifi network, instead of being asked for a password, my computer freezes, mouse can move, but no windows selectable, keyboard shortcut to bring up terminal does nothing.
[21:59] <Smaug> any idea what might be happening?
[22:12] <mruffell> Smaug: is there any messages in /var/log/syslog that might say why?
[22:26] <gjaekel> I was prompted here to report a bug on lauchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe/+bug/1860268). I did this on Monday, but it's still unassigned. Howto proceed, please?
[22:26] <Wally> Better to just wait :)
[22:27] <gjaekel> Wally: For what time?
[22:27]  * Wally shrugs. I assume things are prioritised.
[22:28] <mruffell> gjaekel: it is best if you can determine what package caused the problem, and make sure the bug is filed under that package
[22:29] <mruffell> gjaekel: the bug is against the kernel, but you said it happens under 5.3 and 5.0, so its probably not  a kernel problem
[22:30] <gjaekel> mruffell: I can't. It's a graphic glitch which apperas after an usual update. I already extract the package list of this update.
[22:30] <gjaekel> mruffell: Somebody told me to use 'ubuntu-bug linux'
[22:32] <gjaekel> Might be the graphic card driver, might be MESA or something like that.
[22:32] <mruffell> yeah, looking at the package update list its probably something like that
[22:36] <gjaekel> mruffell: OK, I added the package mesa to the bug.
[22:39] <gjaekel> mruffell: I'm quite sure that it's not related to the kernel. Now, after adding mesa, the bugtracker offers to delete the "linux-hwe" package. Should I delete it?
[22:40] <mruffell> gjaekel: yes
[22:41] <gjaekel> mruffell: May you propose other packages?
[22:41] <ducasse> gjaekel: it doesn't too much matter if you file against the wrong package, the devs will correct that if necessary
[22:42] <ducasse> gjaekel: if you want to speed up the process, find other affected users and ask them to confirm the bug
[22:42] <gjaekel> ducasse: Of corse -- if somebody take a look at it for real ;)
[22:44] <gjaekel> ducasse: Howto? By posting: "Somebody affected to glitches in the menu area of non-maximized windows after latest updates, too?"
[22:47] <gjaekel> ducasse: Oh -- Or by using the force! Like "ducase, you're affected, too! ducase, you're going to confirn for the bug right now" :)
[22:47] <ducasse> you really need to talk to people, there is no other way
[22:48] <gjaekel> the force is weak in /me :(
[22:51] <gjaekel> Somebody out here using an (somewhat older) Radeon HD 6450, please? This fits into an (somewhat older) Dell Optiplex 755
[22:54] <gjaekel> Wally, mruffell, ducasse: Thank you so far for support!
[22:55] <tomreyn> gjaekel: try on askubuntu.com
[22:56] <ducasse> gjaekel: you can also ask in #ubuntu-offtopic if others are affected
[22:58] <gjaekel> ducase: Isn't it off-topic there?
[23:00] <gjaekel> It's close to midnight here, I have to leave now.
[23:00] <ducasse> not really, as it's not a support question
[23:01] <gjaekel> Not? You confuse me ...
[23:30] <Sven_vB> hi :) I'm trying to debootstrap bionic. as I understand the manpage, I need a keyring file (--keyring=) to enable package signature checking. where can I find an appropriate keyring, or which keys do I need to add?
[23:31] <Sven_vB> would it do to export the keys that my xenial apt knows?
[23:44] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: just run it and see which erro rmessages oyu run into
[23:45] <tomreyn> i think it can simulate, too
[23:55] <Sven_vB> ok, thanks!