 and june https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-session/commit/828b6baaac06f80dcb52cd3f66523f92e8c4802b
 we have session.conf in /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu/lxqt we don't use lxqt one? if that's the case we need to set env var there.
 ok, so I made 3 dif request from 70 to 72.
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[07:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6229eeedfbf7: Add create header for launching stuff] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6229eeedfbf7
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[07:47] <wxl> fyi i disabled and deleted all the packages from ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa as they were all super duper old and some goofball on the lxqt forum thought it might be a good idea to add it
 that was still around?
[07:48] <wxl> heh yeah
[07:49] <wxl> ever notice x isn't on tty7 anymore? i figured out why https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lubuntu-devel/2020-January/001737.html
[07:51] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T54: Properly implement different wallpapers for different monitors] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T54#3026
[07:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T146: libreoffice qt5 vcl] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T146#3031
[11:39] <guiverc2> I only recently discovered the PPA for lubuntu-desktop/ppa thru a ask.ubu support thingy... I didn't know of it's existence & was surprised when I discovered I had upload privs to it!!   possibly same ?goofball? posting on multiple sites...  ^ (Walter's comment earlier)
[13:32] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T146: libreoffice qt5 vcl] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T146#3034
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[16:15] <theloudspeaker> ^ all of these lxqt-* stuff have conflicts.
[17:43] <wxl> theloudspeaker: that's what i was saying!
[17:44] <wxl> that's weird. anyone know what's up here? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/19-10-install-bug/718
[17:45] <theloudspeaker> We so have cala and other stuff up there.
[17:47] <theloudspeaker> > that's weird. anyone know what's up here? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/19-10-install-bug/718
[17:47] <theloudspeaker> Haven't tried replacing a partition. Will add that to the list.
 Don't worry about Cala. we are on the latest release.
 @wxl [<wxl> that's weird. anyone know what's up here? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/1 …], can't say I recall encountering that in Cala. sounds more like ubiquity.
[17:50] <wxl> OH! 
[17:50] <wxl> hey
[17:51] <wxl> why don't we use lxqt-policykit?
 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 seems like a good idea to be honest
[17:51] <wxl> remember our pi issue?
 yes
[17:52] <wxl> i know it's because of changes in network-manager-gnome depends
[17:52] <wxl> as i remember, it surrounds the polkit auth agent
[17:53] <wxl> and lxqt-policykit is not a direct depend of lubuntu-desktop
[17:53] <wxl> we install it apparently but it's not a direct depend
 interesting
[17:54] <wxl> so actually i think our fix is not to install sddm after all :)
 makes sense
[18:01] <wxl> ah ok, it's part of lxqt-core
[18:01] <wxl> there's a whole plethora of stuff we don't directly depend on
[18:01] <wxl> including the lkes of lxqt-session
[18:02] <wxl> and that's true in the seed
[18:02] <wxl> HOWEVER
[18:02] <wxl> in the seed we explicitly depend on lxqt-notificationd to avoid gnome
[18:03] <wxl> and so it is in lxqt-notificationd
[18:03] <wxl> i mean in the metapackage
[18:03] <wxl> so i think i've got our fix
[18:04] <wxl> so i should fix meta/seed for focal and SRU meta
 Sounds good.
[18:06] <wxl> can someone remind me where we're at with the bug that's making focal uninstallable?
 The race condition thing? I think I saw a Cala commit yesterday towards that.
 Weighting change on unpackfs
[18:09] <wxl> the thing where it failed to create the partition or whatever
 That might not be started yet, not sure.
 I have been able to install recent dailies in a VM (Thursday or Friday).
[18:12] <wxl> i'm still getting this with erase disk https://share.riseup.net/#vOsV9pA3dgnwIJXADYA2FA
 @wxl [<wxl> i'm still getting this with erase disk https://share.riseup.net/#vOsV9pA3d …], It says enter password.
[18:14] <wxl> ah, actually that's with erase disk iff. an existing partition is already there
[18:15] <wxl> didn't i tell you the password, raman?
[18:15] <wxl> also the replace partition thing requires you to select a partion, even if there is only one to select, before you can continue, so no big there
 I might have done an EFI install last week.
 @wxl [<wxl> didn't i tell you the password, raman?], Nah!
 If there was some pun there when you told me, i probably didn't get it.
[18:18] <wxl> that was with BIOS on my end… when i'm done with this install i'll try EFI
 @wxl [<wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging], We should add this to Lubuntu developer application wiki?
[19:02] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker i think ultimately we need to rewrite it for our own purposes, which is to say how to use MoM but to actually ensure our repos are updated correctly
 I remember you asking me to write a wiki page for that. I will do it once I am able to do it correctly for a couple more merges.
[19:04] <wxl> it might not be terrible to provide both ideas: do mom like normal and then hack your way back to updating the repos, or just use mom as a guide to do things like normal (i personally think that's better)
 You could still create the page. it is an editable wiki. just call it a WIP until you feel comfortable.
 One thing I don't get is, if we have merges upload to archive. Phab should just pull from it na?
 @kc2bez [You could still create the page. it is an editable wiki. just call it a WIP unti …], Sure.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [One thing I don't get is, if we have merges upload to archive. Phab should just …], It isn't automatic, no.
 Can we make it automatic?
 Or do it manually? Like manually clone from phab. Pull from archive and then push to phab?
 The manual process is essentially what you did.
[19:08] <wxl> yep and one which i'd consider rather a pain
 Currently what I did was, fix merge, upload to archive, clone phab, edit to match that in archive, push using arc but don't upload to archive coz already there.
 @kc2bez [The manual process is essentially what you did.], I didn't pull from archive. Had to manually read the diff and then edit files in debian/ folder.
 @wxl [<wxl> yep and one which i'd consider rather a pain], +1
[19:09] <wxl> or you could do: look at mom to see what needs fixing, clone phab, fix it, upload, done
 It might be better to start your merge with the phab. edit to match the merge
[19:09] <wxl> ^
 @wxl [<wxl> or you could do: look at mom to see what needs fixing, clone phab, fix it, …], Mom has diff errors also between multiple versions.
 @kc2bez [It might be better to start your merge with the phab. edit to match the merge], That's a good idea.
 Instead of uploading to archive after merging, I could make phab look like that fixed merge and then push to phab and upload to archive. Sounds good
 Only thing, what happens to that package in MoM? Does it automatically disappear once archive has a new version?
 I think i does.
[19:12] <wxl> yes
 Noice. I will try this fir next merges.
[19:12] <wxl> MoM is really nothing more than an output of an automated attempt to merge (which itself is an upload)
[19:13] <wxl> if the merge fails, then nothing is uploaded, and it shows up on MoM
[19:13] <wxl> if any new upload comes into the archive, it gets superceded
 Yeah. Makes sense
 It is easier to review in phab and make any changes before uploading so I see some value in that.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Or do it manually? Like manually clone from phab. Pull from archive and then pus …], This should happen automatically ideally.
 @kc2bez [It is easier to review in phab and make any changes before uploading so I see so …], Yeah.
[19:14] <wxl> yes, i agree it should happen automatically but we need to create tools for that purpose
[19:14] <wxl> to be fair even kubuntu doesn't have it automated and they've got some pretty fancy tooling
 What happens at the end of a release cycle? When a new ubuntu version comes into development? That time the version numbers are updated na? (Like default settings) and also the change from eoan to focal in dch? So that they build in focal. How's that done?
 @wxl [<wxl> yes, i agree it should happen automatically but we need to create tools fo …], @tsimonq2
 @The_LoudSpeaker [What happens at the end of a release cycle? When a new ubuntu version comes into …], The release team makes changes manually.
 and by release team I mean Simon
 That must be ton of a work.
[19:18] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker good question! you should get ABI BREAK to write documentation on that, at least for us.
 Not sure you did that right wxl ABI BREAK!!!!!!!!! XD
 I partly know what's an ABI but break?
[19:22] <wxl> when a new version has an incompatible ABI with previous versions
 Okaaay
[19:31] <wxl> um does anyone see the esp flag on focal? i don't.
 In a manual partition?
[20:42] <wxl> yeah
[20:53] <kc2bez> I think you found a bug wxl
[20:53] <wxl> oh goodie :/
[20:54] <kc2bez> If you set the efi partition with a boot flag all is good but the wording if you don't indicates you need to set the esp flag.
 (Photo, 511x234) https://i.imgur.com/r3wQ30N.jpg
[21:02] <wxl> so a wording issue. easy. nice.
[21:02] <kc2bez> fwiw it still booted
[21:03] <wxl> that's what matters
[21:03] <kc2bez> with no flag set
[21:03] <wxl> with no boot flag set? O_O
[21:04] <kc2bez> Yeah, even after the warning and no flag set. YMMV it is virtual box and that can be a bit forgiving.
[21:05] <wxl> yeah i guess it's possible different efi implementations might not be as robust or well-known
[22:57] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rSEEDcd866af4f864: explicitly seed lxqt-policykit cuz gnome] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rSEEDcd866af4f864
[22:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETAbd39e4585881: update: explicit lxqt-policykit seed] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAbd39e4585881
[22:58] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMETAa5fc0fe1d30c: escape the escape] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMETAa5fc0fe1d30c
[23:00] <wxl> ^ finally figured out our problem in the update script
 That makes my head hurt a little.
[23:01] <wxl> well, it's not systemd
 or apt
[23:02] <wxl> welllllllllll
 in way I guess. I rescind my statement
[23:06] <wxl> aw snap [quote="agaida, post:17, topic:1088"]
[23:06] <wxl> nothing against lubuntu, but they have sometimes strange ideas about working systems
[23:06] <wxl> argh
[23:06] <wxl> https://forum.lxqt.org/t/raspberry-pi4-lxqt-64-bit/1088/18
[23:06] <wxl> ^ aw snap that
 just when I thought we were getting along
[23:09] <wxl> heh i'm sure alf will take the joke :)
 yeah, he actually does have a pretty good sense of humor.
[23:12] <wxl> do we know what this guy is talking about with regards to changing the password a la nmcli? https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/new-install-new-hardware-wifi-disconnects/716/3?u=wxl
 nope
 Is there a particular reason ubuntu and flavours ship with grub?
[23:50] <wxl> as oppossed to......... ?
[23:51] <wxl> it clearly seems the best choice all around https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_boot_loaders
[23:51] <wxl> and when it comes to such a crucial component, you don't muck about
 There are some options like systemd-boot and refind. But I'd like to know reason to keep grub.
 @wxl [<wxl> and when it comes to such a crucial component, you don't muck about], Bhaiya it goes to rescue very often.
[23:52] <wxl> not for me :)
[23:53] <kc2bez> refind and systemd boot only work for EFI
[23:53] <wxl> this is fun: " Despite being developed by two of its employees, Red Hat's Fedora Project does not use gummiboot for booting UEFI systems; instead, it will use efilinux to chainload GRUB"
 I haven't had a chance to use efilinux or gummiboot.
[23:59] <wxl> guiverc: i'd like to make it a goal for us to finish the testcases before march. is that something we can put our heads together on?