[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> !info grab xenial
[03:29] <ubot5> Package grab does not exist in xenial
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> nerdjones: we cant generalize snaps are bad easy
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> there are alot of snaps, by different maintainers, and some have bugs, just like other packages
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> its the users choice also to use snaps or not
[04:48] <nerdjones> i think the conversation was more along the lines of snaps in general are not a good idea, i dont remember. what brought it back to me was i noticed that the software app has me downloading a lot of snaps and there are a lot of /dev/loops in blkid.
[04:49] <Bashing-om> Keep in mind too that snaps depends on the use case; in IOT snaps are the thing; and "might" be useful on the desktop.
[04:56] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: If one really has no desire for snaps, the tool can be removed ;)
[04:59] <nerdjones> if it works i dont really see a problem with it, i was just a little alarmed by all the /dev/loops in blkid and there are also a lot of entrys in dmesg for chrome, but im not sure if thats snap related or just chrome being chrome, but it does make it harder to find info i have needed in the whole 2 hours ive been using ubuntu again
[05:03] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: chromium has gone the snap way- and we (me) have parted ways.
[05:07] <nerdjones> Bashing-om: because of the snap thing? are you anti-snap?
[05:08] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: Not so much anti-snap as pro-apt on the desktop. Bear in mind I do have limited assets in this ole box :P
[05:12] <nerdjones> its been years since ive used ubuntu but im already finding myself leaning more towards apt, just because i remember using it mostly, is there a way to convince the app store to use apt? or is it how the dev package thigns so i cant do much about it?
[05:18] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: No experience withthe "app store" so cannot comment there. I have become conversant with the command line :P
[05:56] <guiverc2> has Kubuntu switched to use calamares installer? (instead of ubiquity)
[07:47] <marcoagpinto> Hello!
[07:47] <marcoagpinto> Why isn't there an option to show the resolution of videos in the folders
[07:47] <marcoagpinto> ?
[07:48] <marcoagpinto> Windows 10 has that feature
[07:48] <marcoagpinto> tested with 18.04
[08:17] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: you mean the size of thumbnails in nautilus?
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: no, a tab showing 1280x720
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> guiverc2: ive read 20.04 made a revamp of ubiquity, is that what you mean?
[08:18] <marcoagpinto> or the duration of the video
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: right mouse on the video/properties
[08:23] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: wouldn't it be simpler to have a tab with resolution+duration?
[08:23] <marcoagpinto> right-clicking in the folder tab should allow to select it
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: you could check around with dconf-editor on nautilus perhaps
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: and if you dont find any tweak, you can always propose a wichlist !bug
[08:24] <lotuspsychje> *wishlist
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaaa
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> what is the bugzilla platform url?
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:25] <marcoagpinto> https://launchpad.net
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: bugs on ubuntu, always create with ubuntu-bug packagename
[08:26] <marcoagpinto> found it
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: could you tell me in which part of launchpad should I create the ticket?
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:27] <marcoagpinto> sorry for bothering you
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> scroll back to what i just said
[08:28] <marcoagpinto> wishlist?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> no
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> from a terminal: ubuntu-bug packagename
[08:28] <marcoagpinto> but I am already in the site logged in
[08:28] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> in your case ubuntu-bug nautilus if you want a wishlist for nautilus
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: when you use ubuntu-bug, relevant (system)info will add into your bug wich the devs will need, if you file it directly from launchpad, that info will be missing
[08:31] <marcoagpinto> Buaaaaaaaa
[08:31] <marcoagpinto> I want to file the wishlist using launchpad... but it is so hard to use
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> please dont
[08:32] <marcoagpinto> then: terminal -> ubuntu-bug nautilus ?
[08:33] <lotuspsychje> if nautilus is the package you want a wish for yes
[08:33] <marcoagpinto> let me try
[08:34] <marcoagpinto> "send problem report to developers"?
[08:34] <marcoagpinto> it allows a yes or no
[08:34] <marcoagpinto> but, where can I write the wishlist?
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: first you need to proceed with the normal bug procedure, after that you can ask an admin/dev to convert it to a wishlist
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: after choosing yes, browser will jump open to add a bug title + description
[08:38] <marcoagpinto> yes, I am already there
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> lotuspsychje: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1860899
[08:39] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1860899 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Add extra information to tabs in folders" [Undecided,New]
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> are you an administrator?
[08:39] <marcoagpinto> :p
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: in a few hours, please ping hggdh and ask gently if he wants to convert your bug to a wish
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> ahhh
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> oki
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[08:40] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> !19.04 is <reply> Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) is the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported ended January 2020. see !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2020-January/005263.html
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> !19.04 is <reply> Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) was the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported ended January 2020. see !eol and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2020-January/005263.html
[11:27] <guiverc2> sorry lotuspsychje , nah.  Kubuntu uses ubiquity with a 'kde_ui' skin that looks like calamares... (i disappeared out for dinner, somewhere someone was asking kubuntu support question sending me pic of screen; I was wondering if kde neon that uses calamares.. it was legit though..)
[11:27] <guiverc2> thanks for reply lotuspsychje :)
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> guiverc2: aha, no kde experiences myself here, maybe blueskaj or RikMills might know that
[11:56] <guiverc2> no need; I don't remember whatever it was, but it was legit & I gave whatever I could..
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> kk
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> [08:40] <lotuspsychje> marcoagpinto: in a few hours, please ping hggdh and ask gently if he wants to convert your bug to a wish
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> hggdh: Ping?
[12:48] <marcoagpinto> [12:48] <marcoagpinto> hggdh: Ping?
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> guys?! Is "Kingston" a good brand for MicroSD Cards for mobile phones?
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> The Pakistani didn't have SanDisk
[13:38] <marcoagpinto> :(
[13:39] <SwedeMike> marcoagpinto: yes.
[13:39] <SwedeMike> it's a well known brand
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhhh
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[13:39] <marcoagpinto> :)
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> I ordered a Sandisk and two readers USB from Amazon UK but they lost my package and returned the $$$
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> so, I had to ask dad to buy it here in Portugal
[13:40] <marcoagpinto> but the store across the street doesn't have SanDisk
[14:31] <pizzaiolo> o/
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> hey hey
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> pizzaiolo!
[14:31] <marcoagpinto> >:) <- cola demon
[15:17] <daftykins> as long as they're not fakes
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> what?!
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> that is what I told dad
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> "the pakistani stores probably sell fakes"
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> :(
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: How do I know it is real?
[15:19] <daftykins> please stop referring to shop staff by race, it's really not pleasant
[15:19] <daftykins> or nationality rather
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> oki
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> sorry
[15:20] <marcoagpinto> how do you call chinese stores?
[15:20] <daftykins> ...
[15:21] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: The problem is that in Portugal we are loaded with Chinese and Pakistani stores... so, one says: "I am going to the Chinese to buy blah blah"
[15:21] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:23] <daftykins> i would hope that's not common practice
[15:23] <marcoagpinto> it is common practice
[15:23] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:23] <marcoagpinto> at least here
[15:24] <marcoagpinto> Even in Portuguese Mozambique where I was born there was Chinese stores :)
[15:25] <marcoagpinto> back in the 1970s and earlier
[15:25] <daftykins> what i mean is i doubt everyone else goes around referring to them as such
[15:25] <marcoagpinto> in Portugal it is common practice
[15:25] <marcoagpinto> :p
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> daftykins: How do I tell if the SD Card is real?
[15:27] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:28] <daftykins> look it up
[15:28] <marcoagpinto> how?
[15:29] <marcoagpinto> it is inside a box just like the ones in the supermarket
[15:29] <marcoagpinto> :)
[15:29] <marcoagpinto> a case with lines to cut with scissors
[15:32] <daftykins> rumour has it there's a free resource of interconnected computers that allows you to look things up
[15:33] <marcoagpinto> what?
[17:26] <tomreyn> lapion: i probably don't know more than you do, canonical is pushing more and more for snaps overall.
[17:27] <lapion> But don't snaps use extra ram to just merge the snap fs into the regluar fs ?
[17:27] <tomreyn> lapion: it feels to me (and others) that there is an intention to replace deb in the medium / long term
[17:27] <tomreyn> no, i don't think so
[17:27] <tomreyn> but for technical details you'd better askin #snapcraft probably since most people aroun dhere don't want to support snaps
[17:28] <lapion> Don't snaps incur a performance penalty
[17:28] <tomreyn> i have no benchmarks
[17:33] <oerheks> my bet is that they gain performance
[17:34] <oerheks> performance, security ( confinement), updates independent from apt
[17:37] <daftykins> they'd only be more secure if the developer/'snapper' is regularly keeping all components inside current
[17:38] <lapion> They will surely use more ram and the system has to go through 2 layers of filesystems..
[17:38] <lapion> And a snap will use more storage space
[17:40] <daftykins> don't get me wrong i despise them and always purge snapd, but those are very weak arguments
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[17:41] <oerheks> what is the difference, a few kb?
[17:44] <oerheks> try to roll back an apt package .. or remove a dependency. snap will work.
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[19:43] <JanC> the difference between an application in a snap/flatpak vs. one installed with APT is more like several 100s of MBs usually
[22:36] <marcoagpinto> "dream on, dream on, dream on until your dreams come true" >:)
[22:44] <jeremy31> You don't always get what you want, if you try real hard you might get what you need
[22:47] <oerheks> if you need it, it will on your path. you certainly do not need all that comes on your path.
[22:47] <oerheks> c/ will be
[23:00] <marcoagpinto> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kqUxPAGYI <- "Dream on"
[23:00] <marcoagpinto> a Dio song, very good
[23:01] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... one hour for my birthday