[00:06] <tomreyn> tangarora__: which firmware that's not already included in ubuntu's but is included in debian's separate firmware archive do you need then?
[00:12] <celphi> anyone can help me install ubuntu? I keep getting a purple screen and cant get passed that
[00:13] <compdoc> celphi, what sort of computer is it?
[00:13] <celphi> compdoc: brand new computer: intel i7-9700k
[00:14] <celphi> asus
[00:14] <celphi> GL12CX
[00:15] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version? which graphics card?
[00:15] <celphi> Nvidia
[00:15] <celphi> newest version
[00:16] <tomreyn> choose failsafe graphics from the boot menu
[00:16] <celphi> i did usb install- i completed the entire process of installing it but when i boot w/o the usb i just get a purple screen
[00:17] <celphi> i logged into my account once and did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and rebooted
[00:17] <celphi> after reboot i just have blank purple screen
[00:17] <tomreyn> !recovery | celphi
[00:17] <celphi> recovery does same results
[00:18] <celphi> ill screenshot it sec
[00:18] <tomreyn> recovery boots to a purple screen before it shows the recovery menu?
[00:19] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VkGuKzYe/1579997946.JPG
[00:19] <celphi> if i choose any option it gives purple screen
[00:20] <celphi> this is what i get after rebooting machine with no usb stick
[00:21] <compdoc> Ubuntu 19.10? try 18.04.3 LTS instead
[00:22] <celphi> ok be back later after i create iso
[00:22] <compdoc> is there an internal vid card? in the cpu?
[00:23] <compdoc> maybe its displaying to the wrong port
[00:23] <celphi> compdoc: it's basically this https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-9700f-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-1tb-hard-drive-256gb-solid-state-drive-iron-gray/6363858.p?skuId=6363858&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=254&ref=212&loc=DWA&gclid=CjwKCAiA66_xBRBhEiwAhrMuLYXPiQ9LImfXzRhRdegWHjlzrwDZvBbFcrs4FHpivZBaumgHxGF1LhoC63oQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
[00:23] <celphi> computer ^ from best buy
[00:23] <compdoc> yes
[00:23] <celphi> except it's RTX2080
[00:24] <compdoc> no Integrated graphics
[00:24] <compdoc> nm
[00:26] <tomreyn> what this image shows is the grub menu
[00:26] <tomreyn> celphi should be able to navigate this menu, i assume?
[00:26] <celphi> i can navigate menu
[00:26] <celphi> in grub
[00:27] <celphi> im dd older version right now on mac
[00:27] <tomreyn> then it's unclear what doesn'T work
[00:27] <jim> which one?
[00:27] <celphi> but yeah - if i pick 1st option i get purple screen, if i go advance options and select any item i get purple screen
[00:28] <celphi> it gives me a pure purple screen if i select any grub menu item
[00:28] <jim> celphi, which version behaves that way?
[00:28] <tomreyn> okay so you're saying you can't boot to recovery menu on an installed ubuntu 19.10, booting in uefi mode.
[00:28] <celphi> correct tom
[00:29] <celphi> 19 jim
[00:29] <jim> which cpu do you have
[00:29] <jim> ?
[00:29] <celphi> jim: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-gaming-desktop-intel-core-i7-9700f-16gb-memory-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-1tb-hard-drive-256gb-solid-state-drive-iron-gray/6363858.p?skuId=6363858&ref=212&loc=1&extStoreId=254&ref=212&loc=DWA&gclid=CjwKCAiA66_xBRBhEiwAhrMuLYXPiQ9LImfXzRhRdegWHjlzrwDZvBbFcrs4FHpivZBaumgHxGF1LhoC63oQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
[00:29] <celphi> but it's rtx-2080
[00:29] <celphi> bought it yesterday
[00:30] <tomreyn> jim: "intel i7-9700k", "asus GL12CX", "nvidia rtx-2080"
[00:30] <jim> so it's an i7
[00:30] <celphi> yes jim
[00:31] <jim> tomreyn, any of those problematic for the version of ubuntu he tried to install?
[00:31] <tomreyn> installed, rebooted, came up fine, installed pending updates, rebooted, can't access desktop
[00:31] <celphi> im about to try and reinstall older version
[00:31] <celphi> see if that works
[00:32] <tomreyn> jim: i'm not sure, i guess both the cpu and graphics card may be
[00:33] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/02MbEWIY/1579998803.JPG
[00:33] <celphi> im going to try with nomodeset
[00:35] <tomreyn> the "recovery" options from grub's advanced menu would already have set recovery
[00:36] <tomreyn> the "recovery" options from grub's advanced menu would already have set nomodeset
[00:36] <tomreyn> !bootlog | celphi
[00:36] <celphi> i downloaded a new iso with version 18.04.03
[00:37] <celphi> and used nomodeset with installing option
[00:37] <celphi> i got passed that graphics thing
[00:37] <celphi> installing now
[00:37] <celphi> -- but after install ill get stuck on grub-,. so ill reply back in here once im done with install
[00:38] <celphi> should i select the option "Install third-party software for graphics and WiFi hardware and additional media formats"?
[00:38] <celphi> thnx ubottu ill try that
[00:39] <celphi> jim: do i check that box or leave unchecked?
[00:39] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/C9il3wcV/1579999196.JPG
[00:40] <tomreyn> if you don't mind proprietary software, and since you acquired an anvidia card to be used with linux, you apparently don't, i'd say yes
[00:40] <celphi> tomreyn: can i just download it using apt-get?
[00:41] <celphi> or is this best way to do it
[00:41] <tomreyn> yes, after installation, if the installation works then
[00:41] <tomreyn> "best" is very subjective
[00:41] <celphi> sure
[00:41] <celphi> ill do unchecked this time around
[00:41] <jim> we had some success before (correct me if I'm wrong), before the updates were installed... so I'd suggest the experiment of unchecking it, and then rebooting into that, and go from there
[00:42] <celphi> k
[00:43] <celphi> files are copying over-- ill ping ya when it's done
[00:43] <jim> then we could try: installing some backup software, and making an image with the backup program on it (maybe borg is good choice), back up once it comes up, then try installing updates one at a time until it dies
[00:44] <jim> once it dies, restore from backup, try again, lather, rince repeat
[00:46] <tomreyn> i suspect it's probably just a bad bios which wasn't upgraded, yet
[00:46] <jim> do we dare trying to flash it? :)
[00:47] <celphi> alright here we go
[00:47] <celphi> tomreyn: what do you mean by that?
[00:47] <graphicsv> Do any of you have a L380 Yoga and uses it with Ubuntu?
[00:47] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/G5rTiLDr/1579999655.JPG
[00:47] <celphi> ok i booted and got that
[00:47] <celphi> im going to restart it
[00:48] <jim> that's poiple
[00:49] <tomreyn> celphi: often firmware is only tested against windows before hardware is sold. compatibility with other OS such as linux is often only tested after market release, and sometimes if problems are reported then there are bios updates to fix them.
[00:49] <jim> I wonder if the ubuntu that is installed has anything interesting in the logs
[00:49] <celphi> ok it booted and worked this time
[00:49] <celphi> and im at desktop!
[00:49] <celphi> what do i need to install to get my drivers right?
[00:50] <tomreyn> if you want proproietary drivers you could run: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[00:50] <celphi> would that detect my nvidia ones?
[00:51] <jim> celphi, sudo apt install netcat; sudo ls -CF /var/log | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:51] <celphi> nc as in netcat?
[00:51] <tomreyn> nc is installed by default
[00:51] <jim> yeah
[00:51] <jim> oh ok
[00:52] <jim> then get rid of everything up to and including the first ;
[00:53] <tomreyn> sudo ubuntu-drivers list       Show all driver packages which apply to the current system.
[00:53] <celphi> what does that do?
[00:53] <jim> this test is: "did it make any logs, if so which general areas", it pastebins the output of ls -CF /var/lotg
[00:53] <tomreyn> sudo ubuntu-drivers devices      Show all devices which need drivers, and which packages apply to them
[00:53] <celphi> ok i did it
[00:54] <tomreyn> celphi: jim's command would either have returned a warning or a http address
[00:55] <tomreyn> that's unless the system is not online, yet
[00:55] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kvY6OP4Q/IMG_0732.JPG
[00:55] <jim> ubuntu does try to get on the net at boot though, right?
[00:56] <tomreyn> yes
[00:56] <celphi> see my image? i did command right - i think
[00:57] <tomreyn> hmm yes you did, not sure why it didn't work
[00:57] <celphi> tomreyn: do i need to get teh driver xserver-xorg-video-nouveau?
[00:57] <TheSonOfPeter> Does anyone else have issues with Bluetooth randomly dropping devices. Using some samsung wirless earbuds and will have to every now and then disconnect and reconnect. Using Ubuntu 18.04.3LTS
[00:58] <tomreyn> celphi: i assume you want the recommended one.
[00:58] <celphi> tomreyn: do you see in my list, that it's listed? does that mean i have it installed already?
[00:59] <jim> no, don't install the nouveau thing
[00:59] <celphi> k
[00:59] <celphi> going to use update & upgrade then
[00:59] <jim> you want to try the proprietary drivers?
[00:59] <tomreyn> celphi: your output doesn't say which one is in use currently. it lists "driver: nvidia-driver-435" as recommended
[00:59] <jim> nono, hold off on that too
[01:00] <celphi> crap- already did update
[01:00] <celphi> but not upgrade
[01:00] <jim> update is ok, just don't upgrade yet
[01:00] <celphi> k
[01:00] <celphi> what do i do next
[01:00] <jim> you want the proprietary drivers?
[01:01] <jim> for the video
[01:01] <celphi> sure
[01:01] <jim> ok... the next thing to do is install them: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-435
[01:02] <celphi> k
[01:02] <tomreyn> celphi: before you reboot again, please post the output of    journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[01:02] <tomreyn> it's just one line
[01:03] <celphi> sure
[01:03] <user217_> hello. is someone use type-c hub with vga input?
[01:03] <celphi> is ubuntu-drivers list the same as lshw
[01:04] <celphi> but specific to drivers
[01:04] <tomreyn> celphi: no
[01:04] <tomreyn> !man | celphi
[01:04] <celphi> Cool thank you
[01:05] <celphi> jim: ASUSteK COMPUTER INC. ROG Strix GL12CX/GL12CX, BIOS GL12CX.307 07/05/2019
[01:05] <jim> is that after doing the install?
[01:05] <celphi> "ASUSTeK"
[01:05] <celphi> i did that one line for you
[01:05] <celphi> yes
[01:05] <tomreyn> actually for me
[01:06] <celphi> oh sorry
[01:06] <celphi> so i installed the drivers
[01:06] <jim> ok, does the screen still work?
[01:06] <celphi> do i reboot now?
[01:06] <jim> ok, does the screen still work?
[01:06] <celphi> yes- but i didnt reboot yet
[01:07] <celphi> should i reboot now jim ?
[01:07] <jim> ok, trying a reboot is probably a good idea, subject to tomreyn's approval
[01:07] <celphi>  do i do upgrade 1st?
[01:07] <jim> no
[01:08] <celphi> k
[01:08] <jim> because we want to see if the screen works after booting
[01:08] <celphi> k
[01:08] <celphi> ill standby until he gives word
[01:08] <jim> if it does, I would assume it's safe to do the upgrades
[01:09] <tomreyn> my theory was wrong, that's the latest "bios" https://www.asus.com/Tower-PCs/ROG-Strix-GL12/HelpDesk_BIOS/
[01:09] <celphi> k cool. right now i only have 2 monitors plugged in right now- 2 of 4. Should i wait before plugging them in?
[01:09] <tomreyn> no need to wait for me with anything
[01:10] <celphi> ok rebooting with just 2 for now
[01:10] <tomreyn> user216_: problems?
[01:11] <jim> he seems to be on a yoyo diet
[01:11] <celphi> it worked!!
[01:11] <celphi> ok quick question-- how do i get into root?
[01:11] <jim> ok, plug in the others
[01:11] <celphi> bc i dont recall making a password for root
[01:11] <jim> sudo -i
[01:11] <tomreyn> !root
[01:12] <jim> but of course, you have all the power, be -careful-
[01:12] <celphi> so ubuntu doesnt use root as a user?
[01:12] <celphi> ok plugging in other monitors
[01:13] <tomreyn> you didn't read properly
[01:13] <user217_> tomreyn: yep. with type-c hub
[01:13] <jim> there is root, but not access to root
[01:13] <jim> having said that, sudo -i should get you a root shell
[01:14] <tomreyn> user217_: okay, i was just wondering about the nickname changes
[01:16] <celphi> ah that link explained it perfectly-- thanks tomreyn
[01:16] <celphi> so it seems i only have 2 monitors
[01:16] <celphi> the hdmi -> display port cord isnt registering on my monitor
[01:17] <jim> all four connected now?
[01:17] <celphi> just the display port -> display port cord is working which has two
[01:17] <celphi> there's two display ports, 1 hdmi and one iphone looking port
[01:18] <celphi> i still have to get the adaptor for the iphone looking one, but the hdmi -> monitor one is not working
[01:18] <user217_> can somebody help with type-c hub ?
[01:18] <celphi> just the display port 2x -> monitor is working
[01:19] <tomreyn> !details | user217_
[01:20] <user217_> tomreyn: I cam use usb input but when I use vga input nothing happend
[01:21] <celphi> is there a command to type to see which version i would download if i download vim
[01:21] <quadrathoch2> celphi, apt show vim-nox for example
[01:21] <jim> apt-cache policy vim?
[01:21] <tomreyn> celphi: there's the "ubuntu-drivers" PPA which can provide newer but not officially supported proprietary nvidia drivers. you could give this a try. but before you do that, i guess you'd want to install all pending updates and reboot. but jim should drive this.
[01:22] <celphi> I really appreciate it both of you- ive spent two days on this
[01:23] <celphi> apt-cache policy doesnt show me if it would be vim version 8.1
[01:23] <jim> well, he's got drivers, and his screens seem to work... how would he install the updates?
[01:23] <celphi> im trying to see if it would be 8.1 before installing it
[01:24] <tomreyn> jim: using apt, i guess? i think you had celphi hold back on apt upgrades before, no?
[01:24] <tomreyn> celphi: apt list vim-nox
[01:24] <jim> I can almost always predict the score of a football game before it starts...
[01:25] <celphi> what will the SF vs KS be jim?
[01:25] <jim> celphi, before it starts, 0 - 0
[01:25] <celphi> lmao
[01:25] <jim> saw I right?
[01:25] <celphi> yeah apt list vim-nox doesnt say version
[01:26] <quadrathoch2> as I said, apt show vim-nox
[01:26] <tomreyn> celphi: weird, it should have
[01:27] <jim> tomreyn, just to make sure about the drivers, yes. he can choose either to back up, or to move on to installing the updates
[01:27] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uFABM6yw/1580002036.JPG
[01:27] <quadrathoch2> tomreyn, it will only show you if you have the package installed
[01:27] <celphi> nope
[01:27] <tomreyn> jim: oh ok, i forgot you had suggested taking backups.
[01:28] <quadrathoch2> celphi, you will install version 8.0
[01:28] <jim> celphi, how much disk space you have?
[01:29] <tomreyn> quadrathoch2: not really, no
[01:29] <celphi> 1 TB if i remember correctly
[01:29] <celphi> yeah df says 1tb
[01:29] <jim> in one drive?
[01:29] <celphi> yes. and i also have another drive but it's weird looking
[01:30] <quadrathoch2> tomreyn, oops, tried to list a package that I accidently misspelled
[01:30] <tomreyn> ;)
[01:30] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hQ6tDjG3/1580002220.JPG
[01:30] <tomreyn> celphi: 1 TB HDD, 256 GB SSD
[01:30] <celphi> Looks like a chip but it’s another hard drive
[01:30] <tomreyn> or nvme rather
[01:31] <tomreyn> this is ram
[01:31] <celphi> Lmao oh ?!
[01:31] <celphi> Where the hell they put the drive then
[01:31] <jim> dang, what the heck is it?
[01:32] <dman777> using xenial.... is tigervnc viewer available?
[01:32] <jim> can the bot answer that question?
[01:32] <celphi> What kind of ram is this?
[01:33] <jim> plastic ram?
[01:33] <celphi> Lmao
[01:33] <tomreyn> celphi: actually not ram, i guess. it's some proprietary storage apparently. "It features the ROG-exclusive DIMM.2 module with support for dual SSDs that can..."
[01:33] <jim> I dont -even- know
[01:33] <tomreyn> it's an M.2 riser card
[01:34] <tomreyn> https://www.techpowerup.com/229448/asus-dimm-2-is-an-m-2-riser-card
[01:34] <jim> so it's probably an ssd?
[01:34] <Bashing-om> !info tigervnc-viewer bionic | dman777
[01:35] <tomreyn> jim: maybe
[01:35] <jim> I wish he had a spinning hd
[01:35] <jim> another one that is
[01:36] <celphi> i do actually i saw it on bios
[01:36] <jim> oh it's in the machine?
[01:36] <celphi> i think so but i think it's below the bottom case let me see
[01:36] <jim> there should be stuff in /dev for it
[01:37] <dman777> ugh....on xenial though
[01:37] <celphi> ubuntu has weird tree
[01:37] <jim> celphi, could you run: ls /dev/sd[a-z]
[01:38] <celphi> just /dev/sda
[01:38] <celphi> so i guess i dont
[01:38] <jim> ok, so I guess that's a no
[01:38] <celphi> where are iptables stored at
[01:39] <celphi> used to seeing it in /etc/sysconfig/iptables
[01:40] <jim> celphi, thing about iptables, it doesn't exist in hewer kernels... BUT there's a compatibility layer, when you make an iptables rule, the compatibility layer turns it into an nftables rule
[01:40] <jim> newer not hewer
[01:41] <celphi> awe- that stinks
[01:41] <tomreyn> celphi: they are stored in kernel memory. if you are looking for a way to persist rules across reboots you can install     iptables-persistent
[01:42] <jim> there used to be a debian package that would calculate ipmasq firewalls
[01:43] <jim> celphi, ok... so:
[01:43] <tomreyn> if you'd liek to post a lit of all disks / storages (incl. loop ones), this could help find your other storage: sudo fdisk -l 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:44] <jim> celphi, yeah, run that :)
[01:44] <jim> nc will talk to termbin.com, and will print a url
[01:45] <celphi> oh i do have it sad1 and sad2
[01:45] <celphi> sda*
[01:46] <celphi> sda1 has efi system 512m
[01:46] <celphi> and sda2 has linux filesysetm
[01:46] <jim> so sda2 is mounted on /?
[01:46] <jim> run: mount | grep sda2
[01:47] <tomreyn> those are partitions on disk sda.
[01:47] <jim> not two separate drives
[01:47] <celphi> oh ok
[01:48] <celphi> termbin.com/zylu
[01:48] <celphi> what are all these loops?
[01:48] <jim> dunno
[01:49] <jim> but your sda2 is the whole rest of your drive
[01:49] <celphi> k
[01:49] <tomreyn> the loop devices are snaps
[01:49] <celphi> so i guess i shuld put this ram back in then lol
[01:49] <tomreyn> !snap
[01:49] <jim> that much space will keep you happy for a -very- long time
[01:49] <celphi> :D
[01:50] <celphi> going to read this
[01:50] <jim> do you want to continue with updates?
[01:51] <jim> celphi, do you want to continue with updates?
[01:51] <celphi> oh i did the upgrade part
[01:51] <celphi> is there more?
[01:51] <celphi> is there dist-upgrade too?
[01:51] <jim> let's find out...
[01:51] <jim> there might be
[01:52] <celphi> should i try it?
[01:52] <jim> try apt dist-upgrade
[01:52] <jim> it will tell you what it wants to do
[01:52] <celphi> something about autoremove
[01:52] <celphi> that's it
[01:53] <jim> what does it want to remove?
[01:53] <celphi> libllvm8
[01:53] <celphi> says it's no longer required
[01:53] <dman777> ubuntu wiki is down... what is the end of life for xenial lts 16.04?
[01:54] <jim> you can remove it if you want, by running sudo apt autoremove
[01:54] <tomreyn> celphi: the ssd is actually hot swappable from the front, behind a triangular cover.
[01:54] <tomreyn> !xenial | dman777
[01:54] <celphi> hot swapable?
[01:54] <celphi> i see the triangle cover
[01:55] <tomreyn> dman777: oh that doesn't say, sorry. but it's 5 years since release. and 16.04 was releases in 04/16 (thus the name)
[01:55] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/URvXglvM/1580003718.JPG
[01:55] <dman777> tomreyn: the link gives internal server error
[01:55] <jim> before you do that... if you've upgraded already, try rebooting, see what happens
[01:55] <dman777> tomreyn: oh..ok. thakns
[01:55] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aidV9vQG/1580003749.JPG
[01:56] <celphi> K
[01:56] <celphi> should i open my computer first and place this ssd in?
[01:56] <jim> no
[01:57] <jim> reboot first, see if it comes up...
[01:57] <jim> do that now-ish, so I know
[01:58] <celphi> k
[01:58] <celphi> lol
[01:58] <celphi> purple screen of death
[01:58] <tomreyn> looks liek no ssd installed there
[01:59] <celphi> i used reboot command-- ill try turning computer off and see if any different result
[01:59] <jim> ok, I need to take care of things irl for awhile
[01:59] <jim> wait
[02:00] <celphi> crap
[02:00] <celphi> purple scrreen again
[02:00] <celphi> lmao
[02:01] <celphi> so it was either from me removing that package or the upgrade
[02:01] <dman777> does anyone use tightvnc or tigervnc on xenial for client? I can't seem to get ether  one. I have xtightvncviewer but it doesn't have any options in the gui...not the same one I see on the tightvnc website
[02:01] <celphi> i also installed vim
[02:01] <tomreyn> celphi: which packages did you remove?
[02:01] <celphi> the one autoclean suggested for me to remove
[02:01] <jim> the libllvm thing
[02:01] <celphi> yeah
[02:02] <tomreyn> oh ok, that's fine,. installing vim wont have caused it either.
[02:02] <celphi> so it was probably the upgrade
[02:02] <jim> that's the only thing left
[02:02] <tomreyn> yes, it would seem so
[02:02] <celphi> i have to reinstall it again?
[02:03] <celphi> how am i going to be able to pinpoint the culprit in upgrade?
[02:03] <jim> I wonder if you want to install an earlier verion
[02:03] <tomreyn> you could try getting more logs, as suggested earlier
[02:03] <tomreyn> !bootlog
[02:03] <celphi> ok ill try that
[02:04] <jim> I'm out for awhile... these things won't wait
[02:04] <tomreyn> ok jim, ttyl
[02:04] <celphi> tomreyn: i tried that still just purple screen
[02:04] <celphi> thanks jim!
[02:05] <celphi> it's "debug systemd.log_level=info" after `ro` right?
[02:05] <tomreyn> celphi: yes
[02:05] <celphi> two spaces
[02:05] <celphi> yeah nada
[02:05] <tomreyn> celphi: one or more
[02:06] <celphi> try it in the recovery mode?
[02:06] <tomreyn> celphi: try dis_ucode_ldr
[02:06] <tomreyn> that's also a kernel command line option
[02:06] <celphi> ok restarting
[02:07] <celphi> am i doing these commands on ubutunu normal or the recovery one
[02:07] <tomreyn> recovery
[02:07] <celphi> oh i wasnt doing that
[02:07] <tomreyn> if that works we can try normal, too.
[02:08] <celphi> oh! the dis_ucode_ldr worked!
[02:08] <celphi> wth
[02:08] <celphi> lol
[02:08] <tomreyn> meh
[02:08] <celphi> dude you're like a miracle worker
[02:09] <tomreyn> dis_ucode_ldr disables cpu microcode updates, meaning you're bypassing online CPU updates
[02:09] <tomreyn> meaning the system gets no protection against some CPU vulnerabilities.
[02:09] <tomreyn> so that's not a great situation, but at least it boots
[02:10] <celphi> so can i now rollback the upgrade?
[02:11] <tomreyn> hmm, you could do this. but before you do we should try to understand better what the current state is.
[02:11] <celphi> ok
[02:11] <tomreyn> boot the main kernel option with the extra dis_ucode_ldr option now if you haven't
[02:11] <tomreyn> see if this works
[02:12] <celphi> what do you mean
[02:12] <celphi> oh the non-recovery one?
[02:12] <celphi> i did
[02:13] <tomreyn> yes, ok
[02:13] <tomreyn> please show the output of     apt list intel-microcode
[02:14] <celphi> termbin.com/wsk7
[02:14] <celphi> oh wait- didnt work
[02:15] <celphi> termbin.com/8jla
[02:16] <tomreyn> and:   cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -m1 ^microcode
[02:16] <celphi> 0xae
[02:17] <tomreyn> that's shorter than i expected, but can be right
[02:17] <celphi> haha i have no idea what's going on
[02:18] <tomreyn> so i gess you could file a support request with your computer vendor about their system failing to boot linux with the 20191115 intel microcode update
[02:18] <tomreyn> and they'll respond "go away, we only support windows"
[02:18] <celphi> :(
[02:19] <tomreyn> but maybe not, you could try.
[02:19] <celphi> i have no idae how to do that
[02:20] <tomreyn> https://www.asus.com/us/ROG-Republic-Of-Gamers/ROG-Strix-GL12/HelpDesk/
[02:21] <tomreyn> there's live chat, but probably also some e-mail from somewhere.
[02:21] <celphi> ok cool.,  so how do i roll-back upgrade?
[02:21] <celphi> since that sounds like a better option
[02:22] <tomreyn> sudo apt install inteöl-microcode=3.20180312.0~ubuntu18.04.1
[02:22] <tomreyn> sudo apt install intel-microcode=3.20180312.0~ubuntu18.04.1
[02:22] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[02:23] <tomreyn> sudo apt-mark hold intel-microcode
[02:23] <celphi> is that a `~`?
[02:23] <celphi> tilda
[02:23] <tomreyn> yes. also you can just copy and paste
[02:23] <celphi> im talking to you via macbook
[02:24] <tomreyn> sorry to hear this
[02:24] <celphi> :D
[02:24] <celphi> does the hold command lock in the microcode?
[02:24] <tomreyn> the "apt-mark hold ..." command will prevent this system from installing any upgrades to this package, ever, until you undo it.
[02:25] <celphi> ok is that safe?
[02:25] <tomreyn> which is a smaller but can become a larger security issue over time. it could also prevent installation of other packages in the future.
[02:26] <celphi> k
[02:26] <tomreyn> i would appreciate you reporting a bug, too
[02:26] <celphi> should i reboot now?
[02:26] <tomreyn> yes, you can reboot
[02:27] <celphi> ok ill fill it out right now
[02:27] <tomreyn> !bug
[02:27] <tomreyn> so ubuntu-bug intel-microcode
[02:28] <tomreyn> please include     ASUSteK COMPUTER INC. ROG Strix GL12CX/GL12CX, BIOS GL12CX.307 07/05/2019    if this doesn't happen automatically.
[02:28] <cgi> How can I detect if sudo apt install XX - will install anything without needing to be root?
[02:30] <lotuspsychje> cgi: installing packages need sudo
[02:31] <tomreyn> cgi: file alteration monitoring, i guess, or a host intrusion detection system, ir debugfs on a journalled ext3/4 file system. but this seems way too much work unless you have any reason to assume such could be possible.
[02:32] <user217_> Can I get help with  support of type-c hub?
[02:33] <celphi> tomreyn: how do i add that line
[02:33] <tomreyn> celphi: later on, after you reported, you can comment
[02:34] <celphi> im trying to verify my email but it keeps saying my link is stale
[02:34] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/9VluJKp5/IMG_0737.PNG
[02:35] <cgi> tomreyn, I was trying to avoid asking sudo password if a certain package is already installed - from a user
[02:36] <starcurve> huh. ubuntu one is still around?
[02:36] <tomreyn> celphi: maybe you accidentially clicked twice and it worked the first time? i think you can go to https://sso.ubuntu.com and login there and re-request e-mail address validation, then re-report the bug.
[02:36] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | starcurve
[02:37] <tomreyn> celphi: sorry that's https://login.ubuntu.com
[02:37] <starcurve> rip
[02:37] <lotuspsychje> user217_: we advice if you have an ubuntu issue, to just ask it with all details into the support chat
[02:37] <cgi> tomreyn, perhaps use dpkg --list and query the package as a user?
[02:37] <celphi> tomreyn: when i re-report bug it says im still on step 2
[02:37] <celphi> to verify my email
[02:38] <tomreyn> cgi: dpkg-query or apt list --installed
[02:38] <tomreyn> celphi: did you try to re-verify the e-mail address first, though?
[02:38] <celphi> can i type "system failing to boot linux with the 20191115 intel microcode update"
[02:39] <celphi> with vendor
[02:39] <celphi> is that good enough?
[02:39] <tomreyn> celphi: yes, i guess so, if you can also provide them with system details
[02:40] <tomreyn> i.e. hardware model, bios version, bios release date, ubuntu 18.04.3 amd64
[02:40] <cgi> tomreyn, thanks
[02:40] <celphi> tomreyn: yeah same problem
[02:41] <celphi> tomreyn: prompts me to either verify email (click link) or to enter my email for verfication details
[02:41] <tomreyn> celphi: and you didn't receive more e-mails?
[02:41] <celphi> if i do either i get an email- which sends me an email., and when i click link in email it says stale link
[02:42] <tomreyn> celphi: can you provide the first part of the link from your e-mail, not the stuff after "?"
[02:43] <tomreyn> i.e. no IDs no numbers etc,
[02:43] <celphi> login.launchpad.net
[02:43] <tomreyn> https://login.ubuntu.com/+emails is where you can manage e-mail addresses, just one needs to be verified
[02:44] <celphi> ok but it seems the bug reporting in the terminal doesnt work
[02:44] <tomreyn> well, i suggest you try again tomorrow, since systems seem to be a bit overloaded currently, maybe there's a problem on the backend
[02:45] <celphi> when i do the +emails page
[02:46] <celphi> it shows Unverified (with my email address) (Verfiy link)
[02:46] <celphi> And Add email address
[02:46] <celphi> i clicked link and that's when i get email,. and the link in the email states it's broken
[02:46] <celphi> but ill try it tomorrow
[02:48] <tomreyn> there's also "Contact" down here for support with the ubuntu + launchpad login https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ISD
[02:50] <celphi> oh this requires me setting up smtp settings and such-- ill try to do this tomorrow
[02:51] <celphi> i came into work on a weekend to get this linux thing going -- im very much in debt to you helping me -- thank you
[02:52] <tomreyn> you're welcome. :)
[02:52] <tomreyn> celphi: did you reboot with the downgraded microcode, yet?
[02:53] <tomreyn> i'm not sure you had said so, so this would be a good thing to verify befroe we wrap it up.
[02:54] <celphi> sure ill do that now
[02:56] <celphi> yup im good
[02:56] <tomreyn> and please take note that you did the    "sudo apt mark hold intel-microcode"    earlier somewhere where you'll find it in half a year or a year
[02:56] <celphi> when i do apt-get upgrade it shows
[02:56] <celphi> as a package held back
[02:56] <tomreyn> ah good
[02:56] <celphi> btw-
[02:56] <celphi> every new user i make
[02:57] <celphi> has the ability to use sudo?
[02:57] <tomreyn> no. by defauöt only the first user created is added to the "sudo" group and thus can
[02:57] <celphi> so if i want to add a user
[02:57] <celphi> i have to do sudo -i
[02:57] <celphi> ?
[02:57] <tomreyn> adduser thisnewuserijustcreated sudo
[02:58] <celphi> that gives that user sudo ability?
[02:58] <tomreyn> yes, still needs to provide password, though, just like the first user
[02:58] <tomreyn> that's *their* individual accoutn password
[02:58] <celphi> says user does not exist
[02:59] <tomreyn> which user does not exist?
[02:59] <celphi> i did
[02:59] <celphi> `adduser shawn sudo`
[02:59] <celphi> `adduser: THe user 'shawn' does not exist'`
[03:00] <tomreyn> hmm did you create this user, though?
[03:00] <celphi> i was trying make first then give sudo
[03:00] <celphi> oh so adduser also grants privilegees
[03:00] <tomreyn> getent passwd    will list existing users.
[03:00] <tomreyn> adduser adds a user to a group
[03:00] <celphi> so i need to make user first
[03:00] <celphi> createuser ?
[03:01] <tomreyn> users in the sudo group get system admin privileges via sudo
[03:01] <celphi> ok- i dont have a user named shawn
[03:01] <celphi> how do i add it- and then give sudo priv
[03:01] <tomreyn> you can also create users on the GUI, and make them admins there, too
[03:01] <tomreyn> !users
[03:02] <celphi> i figured it out thanx!
[03:02] <tomreyn> hmm the graphical approach depicted there is indeed outdated
[03:02] <celphi> any books  you can recommend?
[03:03] <celphi> i want to get better with terminal
[03:03] <tomreyn> le petit prince
[03:03] <tomreyn> oh, about the terminal
[03:03] <tomreyn> !temrinal
[03:03] <celphi> like you know so much about linux
[03:03] <tomreyn> !terminal
[03:04] <celphi> thnx man- have a great night!
[03:05] <tomreyn> that's a good start there. when you get bored because you read it all come back here or memorize all of    man bash
[03:05] <tomreyn> you, too
[03:07] <tiox> Heard of a thing called grab for Linux, but it's not in eoan?
[03:11] <celphi> oh tomreyn you still there?
[03:12] <tomreyn> celphi: yes, but i'm sure that's not your actual question
[03:12] <celphi> how do i add 3rd monitor?
[03:13] <celphi> is it supposed to be automatic?
[03:13] <tomreyn> celphi: i guess think so, but i'm not too familiar with nvidias' proprietary drivers, so i suggest you read up on their abilities / limitations
[03:14] <celphi> k
[03:14] <tomreyn> -think
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> tiox: there's a package grabc is that what you need?
[03:31] <tiox> Maybe.
[03:31] <tiox> I just need something to run in terminal temporarily.
[03:32] <tomreyn> how about "cat"
[03:32] <celphi> what's the easiest way to rename the part in front of `@` symbol?
[03:32] <celphi> ie
[03:32] <celphi> changethispart@mydomain.com
[03:33] <celphi> on the main user account
[03:33] <celphi> do i have to create another account just to do it?
[03:33] <tomreyn> celphi: do you run the mail server that serves as the MX for mydomain.com?
[03:33] <celphi> yes
[03:34] <tomreyn> if you're using system users instead of virtual users for mailboxes, then that's probably a 'yes'
[03:35] <tomreyn> but that's not a very common setup nowadays, and how to set it up generally depends on the MTA you use
[03:35] <tomreyn> or MDA rather
[03:36] <celphi> i use PHPMailer to send emails from our server, but i want to be able to SMTP to my linux machine and have emails come from my computer
[03:37] <tomreyn> hmm this sounds like you have not yet learnt how to operate a mail server.
[03:38] <tomreyn> maybe read up on postfix or exim
[03:38] <celphi> i know very little
[03:38] <nerdjones> good evening everyone, im having trouble getting a hard drive to automount at boot, i went through the instructions here https://www.binarytides.com/ubuntu-automatically-mount-partition-startup/ but that didnt seem to work, i got a little hung up on if i should use the device uuid, which is way shorter than the example, or the partition uuid, so i
[03:38] <nerdjones> tried both but neither seemed to work, i can pastebin my fstab if that helps, but is that line outdated in some way i should know about?
[03:38] <celphi> im a programmer but many of the linux commands i dont know- just know basics
[03:39] <tomreyn> celphi: operating a mail server s definitley not the easiest thing to get started with, more like one of the more difficult tasks. i suggest you try something else first if you're only getting started with linux
[03:40] <celphi> well im not getting started, but compared to your experience it is lol
[03:40] <jim> hmm... how'd it go?
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> !fstab | nerdjones
[03:40] <celphi> hi jim
[03:40] <celphi> There was an issue
[03:40] <celphi> but tomreyn found it
[03:40] <tomreyn> jim: dis_ucode_ldr helped, we then downgraded intel-microcode
[03:41] <tomreyn> and makred it as held
[03:41] <Bashing-om> nerdjones: fstab is pretty straight forward. Please pastbin your fstab file along with the results of ' sudo blkid -c /dev/null ' .
[03:43] <jim> nerdjones, also you might be interested in the difference between filesystems in partitions versus filesystems in lvm... with partitions, you make partitions using a partition tool, format them with a filesystem directly, and mount the partition with the filesystem. with LVM, instead of putting filesystems in partitions directly, you put 'LVM physical volumes' in partitions, then you make a 'volume group' (which is just a list of physical volumes), and
[03:43] <jim> put physical volumes in the volume groups, then you can make 'logical volumes', and these are what you would format and mount, and they got allocated from a volume group.
[03:46] <nerdjones> jim: is lvm enabled by default? it seems like i remember (in older installs, i dont remember if it asked during the install tonight) there was an option for that during the install
[03:46] <jim> well the kernel module should be there (it's called the device mapper)
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> jim: how is an lvm discussion related to an uuid question?
[03:47] <nerdjones> also, if it helps, this is an exfat filesystem i made in windows 10, i have installed the packages that let me manually mount it. i dont know if that matters for mounting it with fstab so i thought i would mention it
[03:48] <nerdjones> fstab looks like this right now, but i have also tried it with the partition uuid https://pastebin.com/pjti9gU3
[03:51] <nerdjones> and blkid is https://pastebin.com/3fuf8ujq
[03:51] <nerdjones> sorry for putting them in 2 pastes
[03:51] <tiox> Before I give up completely, I want to ask here; how can I trap the mouse cursor to centre with a bounding box smaller than display resolution?
[03:52] <jim> nerdjones, do you have a package called lvm2?
[03:52] <tiox> Because I don't want to play a game on fullscreen for frames' sake on this crappy-ass compooper but I also don't wan to lose focus.
[03:52] <lotuspsychje> !language | tiox
[03:53] <jim> (also note... I don't think you can put an exfat filesystem into lvm, since windows doesn't have lvm
[03:53] <jim> )
[03:54] <tomreyn> exfat-utils can probably still create this file system, just.. using it on linux only probably doesn't make much sense
[03:55] <tomreyn> and generally don't expect this FUSE driver to work too well
[03:55] <tomreyn> nerdjones: ^
[03:57] <tiox> Fifteen years. Fifteen years of Ubuntu and nobody had figured out an easy way to trap the cursor in a specific region to a specific size easily? No GUI tool? No stupid-simple bulletproof Bash script? Nothing?
[03:57] <tiox> The hell?
[03:57] <nerdjones> no lvm2
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> tiox: this sint the complaints channel, just be patient until someone answers your question please
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> *isnt
[03:59] <nerdjones> tomreyn: my pc is dual boot for now, its just my storage drive with movies and whatnot on it i created in windows 10, whats the goto filesystem for sharing files between win and ubuntu?
[03:59] <jim> if you're curious about lvm, you can put your linux filesystems into lvm, and it's easy to make those lvm containers (they're called logical volumes or lvs) to become larger, and you can add drives and use that space for them if you want
[04:00] <tomreyn> nerdjones: there is none at this time, but exfat will probably be in the future.
[04:01] <jim> but it doesn't make any sense to put ntfs, or any kind of fat filesystem onto an lv in the hope of using it in windows
[04:01] <lotuspsychje> jim: can you stop doing that please, you are not being helpful
[04:02] <tomreyn> ? sure he is
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> hows that
[04:03] <jim> lotuspsychje, I'll also challenge that... the OP was clearly interested and/or curious
[04:04] <tomreyn> nerdjones had mentioned lvm and exfat almost at the same time so that it looked like they meant to combine the two. so it makes sense to me to point out that combining the two isn't going to be useful.
[04:05] <tomreyn> jim: i don't think lvm is currently being used below the exfat file system, though, at leats based on https://pastebin.com/raw/3fuf8ujq
[04:05] <tomreyn> (but i was also wondering about the purpose of combining the two)
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: the original question was about fstab and uuid, it was when jim started to mention lvm himself, nerdjones started to wonder about
[04:06] <nerdjones> curious, yes. but i dont know enough to know if lvm is by default related to fstab or auto-mounting on boot
[04:06] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: oh, yes, you're right, i hadn't noticed that jim brought up lvm first.
[04:08] <jim> we clearly told him that wasn't goting to be a current use... still, it's an interesting technology that pretty much anyone can make use of... and so, my comments were just meant to introduce it
[04:08] <tomreyn> nerdjones: you're not using lvm at this point, so i don't think you need to consider it.
[04:09] <nerdjones> anywho, what would be the best approach, should i format a spare drive with another fs and move everything over there? my end goal is to have my plex server on windows and ubuntu start up on boot and have all my media online regardless of which os i boot into, as of now is the only way to do that to have 2 copys on 2 different filesystems?
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> jim: intoducing technologys can be taked about in #ubuntu-discuss if you like, when the user wants to
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> ẗalked
[04:10] <jim> have you ever seen me force anything on anyone?
[04:11] <nerdjones> this is pushing me closer to get rid of windows altogether if not for steam i would already be down that road
[04:12] <jim> ok, as a ##linux staffperson I sometimes have to, but I have no such power here
[04:13] <statusf90> nerdjones: With proton and dxvk you should still be able to play most of your windows games :) It's always getting better.
[04:13] <jim> nerdjones, before you do that, you'd want to make sure that everything you do under windows can be replicated under linux... very likely, you should do this by actually replicating it. if you need something for work, tread carefully
[04:14] <tomreyn> nerdjones: about the file system, if exfat works for you, i guess you can just keep using it.
[04:15] <nerdjones> tomreyn: thats the thing thought, i cant get it to auto mount just yet, haha
[04:16] <nerdjones> and if its going to be the best/only way to share files in the future i wouldnt mind being ahead of the curve
[04:16] <jim> what kind of device is it on?
[04:16] <nerdjones> jim: wd hdd
[04:16] <jim> nerdjones, which lives in your machine?
[04:16] <nerdjones> yes
[04:17] <tomreyn> nerdjones: i have very little first hand experience with it, but know that an in-kernel driver for linux is under development and will probably make it easier to use a common file system on those OS's in the future. about auto mount not working, i'd check system logs, and read the man user space file systems' man page
[04:18] <tomreyn> scratch the first "man" in this sentence, please.
[04:21] <tmg> is it unheard of for a WiFi device not to show up in lspci output?
[04:27] <nerdjones> man, the system logs make my head hurt, filled with audits for chrome. cant really find anything for all that clogging everything up, but i will look into the man pages. thanks for the help
[04:41] <nerdjones> got it working, got it working with the options here https://customerhelp.co.za/linux/ubuntu/correctly-auto-mount-seagate-exfat-external-usb-drive-ubuntu-permanent-mounting.html instead of the ones i was using, also uncapped fat in exfat, dont know which one worked but it did, thanks for all the help everyone
[04:43] <nerdjones> i was looking around on reddit the other day and saw a few people hating on snap packages, i cant remember the argument but i think the jist was snap = bad, is that the case?
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | nerdjones
[04:44] <nerdjones> sorry, and thanks
[04:50] <jim> nerdjones, I never figured out (or heard) what has you using exfat?
[04:51] <nerdjones> jim: i dual boot with win10, and it has all my plex media on it, i want to have plex server on both windows and ubuntu so no matter which i boot to the plex server will be up
[04:53] <nerdjones> when i formatted the drive it was ntfs, exfat or another one i cant remember, i didnt think ntfs worked in ubuntu at all, but i could be wrong about thats so i went with exfat
[04:53] <jim> is plex a replication framework for postgres?
[04:53] <nerdjones> plex media server
[04:54] <jim> oh ok
[04:55] <nerdjones> is that correct that ntfs doesnt work at all with ubuntu? or would that have been the more sane choice? haha
[04:56] <jim> well you have to consider how people built linux support for ntfs...
[04:58] <jim> basically they experimented and reverse engineered it, they eventually got it mounting and reading, then later finally they got writing to work... but remember they did it by successive guessing and evaluating and refining each guess until they got things working
[04:59] <jim> so, yes, right now it does work (but note, m$ could easily pull the rug out)
[04:59] <jim> so it's not an fs that I'd consider stable under linux... and, maybe, right now it is
[05:00] <ryuo> nerdjones: you shouldn't use fat/exfat/ntfs under Linux except for data interchange with something that doesn't support something better.
[05:00] <jim> so bottom line answer, it's usable right now
[05:01] <ryuo> unix like systems need a proper posix filesystem which these filesystems are not really
[05:02] <nerdjones> ryou: so in the case that i need to share files between the two os's (win10 and ubuntu ) is there a better alternative?
[05:02] <nerdjones> ryuo rather, sorry
[05:03] <ryuo> OOB? not really, at least if it has to be directly exposed. there is samba for network file sharing which makes these details irrelevant to either side.
[05:04] <ryuo> there's experimental drivers for ext4 and such for windows but those aren't installed by default so it's impractical to rely on.
[05:04] <jim> is samba and the underlying smb stuff based on real information?
[05:05] <ryuo> jim: yes. as part of the anti-trust stuff in the EU, the samba folks got access to internal documentation on SMB.
[05:05] <ryuo> though this was never made public, the actual files afaik
[05:07] <jim> so samba internal devs need to agree to ndas?
[05:07] <ryuo> no idea. i only read about it in passing.
[05:08] <jim> ok thanks
[05:08] <ryuo> jim: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2007/12/antitrust-pact-payoff-samba-gets-protocols-from-microsoft/
[05:13] <nerdjones> guess ill be setting up an old laptop as a smb server then, thanks for the words ryuo
[05:14] <ryuo> nerdjones: you can use them just fine, they just don't store unix permissions very well.
[05:28] <jim> ryuo, thanks! appreciate your time
[05:46] <anon> why does alt + f2 not work for me
[05:53] <ScriptGeek> I think I'm having relationship problems with Ubuntu... we don't cuddle like we used to
[06:00] <jim> anon, try ctrl alt F2
[06:03] <ScriptGeek> I'm trying to run a shell command as the root user through a php script. I tried changing the sudoers file to give permissions to the www-data user to run the command, but it doesn't seem to do anything still. I'm getting no output in any way from the php script in regards to the shell command. When running the command as the www-data user I get a message saying the www-data user is unavailable.
[09:14] <limekmag> I have a Surface Laptop, which has only 1 USB port and a keybard that doesn't work with the stock kernel.  I was able to install 19.04 using the on-screen keyboard, but upgrading to 19.10 crashed, leaving Ubuntu unbootable.  I c
[09:15] <limekmag> I tried using the 19.10 installer, but the on-sceen keyboard doesn't come up even after enabling it
[09:15] <limekmag> is this a known bug?
[09:20] <magic_ninja> where are the nvidia xorg configs stored by default?
[09:27] <limekmag>  The on-screen keyboard shouldn't have substancially changed between 19.04 and 19.10, right?
[10:20] <tangarora__> tomeryn: I need to have as many firmware drivers as possible. I am making installation media that will automatically install, encrypt, and setup a machine for a user. This needs to work over wifi as well. I got it to work on debian, but am struggling to make it work with ubuntu.
[10:21] <tangarora__> In this test case I am using an intel wifi on a T400 laptop. Its actually amazing how well linux runs on this laptop from 2008!
[10:23] <tangarora__> As an experiment I have invested in a small sata ssd 256GB. It is insane how well it works now.
[10:23] <tangarora__> RAM was allready maxed out at 8 GB.
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> tangarora__: tomreyn is currently afk
 OK... timesones I assume.
[10:24] <tangarora__> I have had a lazy morning... :) and now I am all active again...
[10:25] <quadrathoch2> Is it really worth it, as ubuntu will drop the mini.iso tangarora__?
 They are? Why?
[10:26] <tangarora__> Its really slick and small...
[10:26] <quadrathoch2> because they will only have subiquity for 20.04
[10:26] <tangarora__> OK
[10:26] <quadrathoch2> or the live
[10:26] <tangarora__> Ofcourse now that I have the perfect preseed file that does it all...
[10:27] <tangarora__> It there a non painful way to convert the preseed to ubuquity?
[10:27] <quadrathoch2> tangarora__, for now there is no alternative, but they are working on it, there is a bugreport somehwere
 Tangarora think that wierd... could they really plan on forcing everyone to sit an load that stuff manually?
[10:29] <quadrathoch2> tangarora__, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-review-design-for-automated-server-installs/11923
[10:30] <tangarora__> Felling like doing the Haka... :)
 Thanks, I will review it...
[10:30] <quadrathoch2> tangarora__, yw :)
[10:36] <__raven__> update to 19.10 disabled multi monitor mode using two monitors on nvidia and additional two on internal intel915 onboard.c how to expand nvidia view to internal graphics again?
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: do you want to switch between intel and nvidia on an optimus card?
[10:42] <__raven__> i want to have 4 simultaneous displays like it has been before
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> oh
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: doublecheck nvidia-settings and/or systemsettings/devices/screen
[11:02] <__raven__> lotuspsychje: i did. bios first/second activate settings too. internal screens show boot up but then they get blank and the nvidia screens start the x
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: wich nvidia card are you on, with wich driver version please?
[11:03] <__raven__> gt620 with 345
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: wich drivers are listing at: ubuntu-drivers list
[11:45] <__raven__> lotuspsychje: i tried with newer drivers (anything in 400th) and older. cannot set it up any more
[11:54] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: can you pastebin xrandr please?
[11:55] <__raven__> have to wait few days
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> __raven__: how about a plug out/back in your screen cables can do magic too sometimes
[11:56] <__raven__> i did change the combinations
[12:50] <davanger> any routing experts around?
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> davanger: you might wanna try ##networking for that, unless you think its an ubuntu issue?
[12:51] <davanger> ok
[12:52] <giaco> I am on bionic but I need an higher version of qemu. It is not present in bionic-backports so I have to try compiling it myself. What's the suggested route? Add higher version src, apt build-dep qemu, apt -b source qemu?
[12:56] <oerheks> giaco, you can, from source or git , see https://www.qemu.org/download/#source
[13:02] <giaco> oerheks: thanks
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:16] <pizzaiolo> hello BluesKaj
[13:16] <BluesKaj> hi pizzaiolo
[13:30] <mycrap75> help
[13:31] <mycrap75> not letting me register
[13:31] <oerheks> join #freenode for register issues
[13:31] <mycrap75> i have done that 3 times
[13:31] <oerheks> good luck!
[13:32] <mycrap75> I registered yesterday and followed the instructions sent to my email.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> think i recall he was trying to run the register commands in the chat rather than the server/server page
[13:37] <BluesKaj> freenode/server page
[13:38] <Annigo> Hello. I was suggested to install i3wm on Ubuntu Server yesterday for my touchscreen kiosk app. So far things do work as expected, but I need help creating a systemd service unit that will autostart as soon as i3wm starts. Here's what worked for me in Ubuntu Desktop (gnome3): https://pastebin.com/g4hBDA6s , but doesn't seem to be triggered at all
[13:38] <mycrap6> not letting me use my registered name ... why
[13:38] <Annigo> now (service is enabled). Manual run (systemctl --user start browser.service) do work as expected.
[13:43] <mycrap6> I am getting this message and don't know why ... ⚠ Nickname mycrap is already in use.
[13:43] <mycrap6> maybe I am signing in wrong? I don't know
[13:44] <oerheks> whats in a name...
[13:45] <oerheks> you seems to be identified
[13:47] <mycrap6> anyways I need someone who know the process to install Intel graphics card drivers
[13:47] <jeremy31> mycrap6: should already be installed
[13:47] <oerheks> intel is good supported in the kernel, i915
[13:48] <BluesKaj> yup, check your package manager
[13:48] <oerheks> sudo lshw -c video
[13:49] <mycrap6> it is not working
[13:49] <BluesKaj> how do you know
[13:49] <oerheks> share the output of that command on paste.ubuntu.com
[13:51] <mycrap6>  *-display                        description: VGA compatible controller       product: Intel Corporation       vendor: Intel Corporation       physical id: 2       bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0       version: 03       width: 64 bits       clock: 33MHz       capabilities: pciexpress msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom       configuration:
[13:51] <mycrap6> driver=i915 latency=0       resources: irq:128 memory:a0000000-a0ffffff memory:90000000-9fffffff ioport:f000(size=64) memory:c0000-dffff
[13:52] <BluesKaj> mycrap6, next time use paste.ubuntu.com and post the url here not the text
[13:53] <mycrap6> sorry
[13:53] <BluesKaj> your i915 driver is installed
[13:53] <mycrap6> I have a message that device is not working
[13:54] <BluesKaj> then , give us some details
[13:55] <jeremy31> Sounds like driver manager
[13:56] <BluesKaj> mycrap6, laptop or pc?
[13:56] <mycrap6> asus laptop
[13:57] <mycrap6> had win 10 and  I put 18.04 on it.
[13:58] <jeremy31> mycrap6: does the message appear in driver manager?
[13:59] <mycrap6> software and updates
[13:59] <jeremy31> mycrap6: what dkms file does it want to use?  backport-iwlwifi-dkms?
[14:00] <mycrap6> have no idea
[14:01] <jeremy31> mycrap6: post URL from terminal for>   ubuntu-drivers list | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:01] <mycrap6> hang on ....
[14:02] <mycrap6> returns nothing
[14:03] <oerheks> expected, intel i915is already loaded
[14:03] <oerheks> where does it say it does not working?
[14:03] <oerheks> an older intel might not be strong enough for youtube...
[14:03] <mycrap6> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VmSffVk8Bv/
[14:04] <jeremy31> mycrap6: It has nothing to do with your display driver, if your wifi is working don't even bother looking at the driver manager
[14:05] <mycrap6> jeremy31 , you know what my question is , right?
[14:05] <mycrap6> I dont care about wifi
[14:06] <jeremy31> mycrap6: you asked about installing intel video and mentioned that you saw something about a device not working
[14:06] <mycrap6> my graphics are messed up and looking how to fix
[14:06] <tatertots> messsed up?
[14:06] <mycrap6> computer is extremely lagging and hanging up
[14:07] <tatertots> mycrap6: in terminal>     inxi -Fxxprzc0|nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[14:08] <mycrap6> I do know that in Synaptic Package there is  a SFX something or other that can be installed but I can not remember because I never wrote it down
[14:08] <tatertots> mycrap6: if it's not installed it'll instruct you how to install it...then run the command above and share url/link here
[14:08] <Guest45988> Hi,
[14:09] <mycrap6> tatertots: returned a url
[14:09] <Guest45988> How can I reinstall the application completely including the config files? I was experimenting with xfce4-panel and made some mistakes. Tried every way to renistall I could find on web and it still starts with the messed up config.
[14:10] <tatertots> mycrap6: share url/link here
[14:10] <BluesKaj> tatertots, i915 is installed, we already determined that
[14:10] <mycrap6> https://termbin.com/dhm4j
[14:12] <tatertots> BluesKaj: good job...netbooks with bay trail or cherry trail chipsets don't perform well...so while it's great you identified his gpu this is a more "big picture" view ..and he has a lil celeron cpu
[14:15] <tatertots> 2GB RAM
[14:15] <tatertots> onboard graphics have to share system memory also
[14:16] <tatertots> 1.3GB used out of 2GB...
[14:16] <tatertots> maybe a lighter desktop like MATE or something would allow you to squeak out a lil more performance
[14:17] <mycrap6> like I said somewhere in Synoptic Package Manager there is SFX (something) that will overide the graphics and run smoother and faster, If I had wrote it there would be no problem
[14:18] <tatertots> override?
[14:18] <mycrap6> i dont know the proper language sorry
[14:19] <BluesKaj> mycrap6, check this out https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-UHD-Graphics-600-GPU.271820.0.html
[14:19] <mycrap6> once installed you log out and log back in under the SFX thing.
[14:20] <mycrap6> not a gamere so I dont think that will help
[14:20] <tatertots> that's not a gaming laptop....so even if you were a gamer....
[14:21] <mycrap6> I use it for graphics GIMP and Inkscape
[14:21] <tatertots> gaming laptops usually have a discrete GPU from AMD Radeon or NVIDIA..just FYI..and those are much more powerful than onboard intel graphics
[14:21] <BluesKaj> it's telling that your gpu probly isn't meant for a full gnome desktop, maybe a lighter flavor of ubuntu is in order
[14:22] <mycrap6> ok, which one?
[14:22] <tatertots> maybe a lighter desktop like MATE or something would allow you to squeak out a lil more performance
[14:22] <BluesKaj> it's up to you to explore them
[14:23] <mycrap6> I think this machine is 64 bit , will 32 bit mate run?
[14:24] <tatertots> sure..all you got is 2GB RAM anyway so..
[14:24] <mycrap6> ok thanks
[14:25] <mycrap6> thats all... have a great day all.
[14:25] <tatertots> you also
[14:26] <tatertots> or ditto
[14:42] <Truk> Hi i have some problems to connect my hyper-v ubuntu to internet
[14:42] <Truk> Can anyone please help me ?
[14:42] <oerheks> hyper-v .. oh wait, windows issues ..
[14:43] <Truk> no it's a VPN issue
[14:43] <Truk> with resolv.conf
[14:43] <Truk> I am connectiong to my wifi, and then to my VPN, at home
[14:44] <Truk> and I work on a Ubuntu machine under Hyper-V
[14:44] <Truk> at work the Ubuntu machine can connect to internet
[14:44] <Truk> but in my home it doesnt
[14:44] <Truk> I setted the DNS servers inside my wifi connection, on the Ubuntu machine
[14:44] <tatertots> how did you get the VM from work (where it functions as expected) to home?
[14:45] <Truk> I am working on remote today
[14:45] <Truk> in my house
[14:45] <Truk> usually I work at my work office
[14:45] <Truk> and I dont need the VPN connection at my work office
[14:45] <Truk> but in my home I use it
[14:45] <Truk> (the VPN connection)
[14:46] <tatertots> so much of your setup is not purely ubuntu ...it'll be a little dicey trying to get help here
[14:46] <Truk> ok, what channel then ?
[14:47] <tatertots> the conversation would involve so many non ubuntu things ..it's bound to ruffle some feathers here
[14:53] <tatertots> unfortunately it wouldn't be just one channel with as many pieces of the puzzle that's involved, and you'd still have to be able to take what help you get from the different channels related to the different puzzle pieces, and be able to then look at the larger big picture..Windows hyper-v is involved, the network at home and at the office and then finally ..ubuntu...
[14:53] <tatertots> up hill battle in front of you lol
[14:55] <tatertots> weekend is about over so you could just wait until you are physically back at the office/work where ubuntu VM just works as expected
[14:56] <tatertots> or optionally get corporate IT involved to help you be productive working from home aka telecommuting
[15:30] <Helenah> In the past, I've installed nvidia driver via APT but it has installed a load of things I don't want such as a DM. How do I install the driver only?
[15:31] <lotuspsychje> Helenah: ubuntu-drivers list shows your driver versions available for your system
[15:32] <Helenah> Oh I should be asking in ubuntu-server channel or?
[15:32] <Helenah> I don't use the desktop version as it comes with loads of things I don't want.
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> Helenah: do you use ubuntu-server?
[15:32] <Helenah> Yes
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> Helenah: sure, you can ask in #ubuntu-server
[15:33] <oerheks> sudo ubuntu-driver list
[15:33] <oerheks> wonder why one needs nvidia driers on a non gui install
[15:33] <Helenah> Because it isn't non-gui
[15:34] <Helenah> I just don't wanna remove a load of graphical crap that I wont use. Crap to me I mean.
[15:34] <Helenah> I know which driver package I need, but I don't want the DM and everything else installing.
[15:34] <oerheks> then don't install nvidia, use the basic nouveau driver
[15:34] <oerheks> * already installed
[15:34] <Helenah> I'm using the basic nouveau driver but it makes Minecraft look awful.
[15:35] <lotuspsychje> oO
[15:35] <BluesKaj> well, difficult to have it both ways then
[15:35] <Helenah> Look, I like Ubuntu, I really do, excluding DEs and DMs. I install the server then i3wm.
[15:35] <Helenah> Okay
[15:35] <Helenah> I'll download the driver from the nvidia website.
[15:35] <Helenah> Thanks guys
[15:35] <oerheks> minecraft is just a fiels of blocks
[15:36] <oerheks> c/field
[15:36] <BluesKaj> Helenah, not a good idea
[15:36] <oerheks> really interesting though
[15:36] <Helenah> I think the nouveau driver is causing performance issues, in the past the nvidia driver corrected them.
[15:36] <BluesKaj> the site driver will break at the next kerenel upgrade
[15:37] <BluesKaj> kernel even
[15:37] <Helenah> I saw a package nvidia-*-headless which sounds like it may be suitable for headless systems.
[15:37] <Helenah> I know I'm not on a headless system
[15:38] <Helenah> But it sounds like it wont install a load of GUI stuff.
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> Helenah: what kind of computer brand/type is this anyway?
[15:39] <Helenah> lotuspsychje:
[15:39] <Helenah> Woops
[15:39] <Helenah> Er... qemu KVM vfio VM on an i7 system
[15:39] <Helenah> with a GT 710 card
[15:39] <Helenah> I can play Minecraft and it performs well but hurts my eyes when using the nouveau driver.
[15:40] <Helenah> Because it flickers slightly and I remember nvidia driver correcting it in the past.
[15:40] <BluesKaj> what's a little bit of gui stuff on an i7 cpu gonna do...practically nothing
[15:40] <oerheks> so you run minecraft server, and connect from a desktop, and you hurt your eyes?
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> lol
[15:41] <Helenah> BluesKaj: I simply do not want it. It's like if I want a cup of coffee without vanilla in there, I'm not going to add vanilla anyway. Common logic.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> I disagree, using a site driver isn't worth the risk of breaking your system
[15:53] <leftyfb> Helenah: https://askubuntu.com/a/80794
[15:54] <peter22222> hi folks.. anybody knows where the network manager stores the vpnc setting files? it is not in /etc/vpnc/
[15:54] <jeremy31> peter22222: check /etc/NetworkManager
[15:56] <peter22222> thank you! :-)
[16:12] <mustmodify> I recently purchased a Dell Inspiron 7591. I burned a CD. Wifi didn't work but I found a link with a driver. But this leads me to think there will likely be other drivers I should be installing / updating that aren't "standard". How would I find parts that don't have drivers but aren't ... like ... stopping normal operation? How do I keep them updated?
[16:13] <mustmodify> I see this but it doesn't say "here are links to drivers". :) https://certification.ubuntu.com/hardware/201903-26880
[16:15] <Guest_78939> I'm researching how to improve ubuntu scrollwheel interactions. I have difficulty describing the problem I'm trying to fix, but the following links may help:
[16:15] <Guest_78939> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/9cbema/mouse_wheel_changes_sliders_and_drop_down_menus/
[16:15] <Guest_78939> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/345344/difference-between-xorg-and-gnome-kde-xfce
[16:16] <Guest_78939> behavior, GTK3, QT5, X, or the Linux kernel.
[16:33] <oerheks> mustmodify, go into software/updates, section drivers, and see what pops up?
[16:34] <mustmodify> oerheks: So that's sort of my point. Apparently the nic driver isn't known to default Ubuntu. So I'm concerned that other drivers wouldn't be known either.
[16:35] <leftyfb> mustmodify: we can help with anything ubuntu-related not working with your machine. Let us know when you come across one.
[16:38] <mustmodify> ok. Final question -- device already has Windows 10. I want to set up dual-boot. Someone suggested to me that there are a few right ways and a bunch of wrong ways ... any suggestions or hints about what to do / avoid doing / etc for Dual Boot?
[16:38] <mustmodify> and when I say final question, I mean "for now". :P
[16:39] <oerheks> use windows to make free space
[16:39] <oerheks> !dualboot
[16:39] <mustmodify> Thanks.
[16:54] <TryHard01> Hey... I just installed Ubuntu 19.10 on my Asus Rog Strix x-570e, has an RTX 2070. Grub bootloader shows up, I pick Ubuntu, then the screen is garbled. I had this same issue when I tried it before installing, but was able to use the graphics friendly mode? I can't remember the name of the boot option but it allowed me to get into Ubuntu. Any ideas?
[16:56] <rfm> TryHard01, I think "nomodeset" may be the option you're looking for
[16:57] <TryHard01> ok thanks rfm, hate to be a PITA but I'm just learning linux right now and am not sure what to do with that info lol :)
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | TryHard01 adviced by rfm
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> TryHard01: for big GTX and RTX cards its not uncommon to enter system with nomodeset, then install the latest nvidia driver
[17:00] <TryHard01> lotuspsychje: ok great I'll do this...I have been googling furiously for quite a while now with no luck. thanks a ton
[17:12] <lotuspsychje> TryHard01: to see the recommended driver for your card use: ubuntu-drivers list if that doesnt give you latest, visit the ubuntu graphics ppa !nvidia
[17:13] <lapion> Is it possible to install ubuntu without snaps..
[17:13] <lapion> Seeing as the 19.10 version the core is a snap..
[17:19] <oerheks> one could remove the core snap, and stop the snapd service, and uninstall
[17:20] <oerheks> and you might want to install via apt: sudo apt install gnome-system-monitor
[17:22] <tomreyn> ...as well as the other packages which may still be available as debs
[17:22] <oerheks> jups, like calculator
[17:23] <lapion> Why does the installer not ask wether you want to have snaps..
[17:23] <oerheks> it is locked in ~/snap/  by design
[17:23] <oerheks> without . to make them invisable
[17:23] <lapion> OR why is there not a completely separate installmedia for a snap install
[17:24] <tomreyn> lapion: design choice
[17:24] <oerheks> completely separate installmedia ??
[17:24] <lapion> Design push.
[17:24] <tomreyn> we can discuss in #ubuntu-discuss
[17:25] <lapion> Probably not necessary to be a completely different media..
[17:40] <ScriptGeek> I'm trying to call a command as root from a php script, which is executed by the www-data user
[17:42] <ScriptGeek> But nothing I try actually works. I tried the sudoers file, su, and sudo
[17:42] <ScriptGeek> Maybe I just have yet to discover the secret
[17:48] <absurdist> prelinking binaries (apt-install prelink) /etc/default/prelink=yes causes a unusable system on Ubuntu 19.10
[17:48] <absurdist> please remove prelink from the repo or fix it
[17:56] <oerheks> absurdist, add yourself to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prelink/+bug/1847611
[17:57] <absurdist> not just focal
[17:57] <absurdist> eoan
[17:57] <oerheks> focal is LTS, our worries there
[17:58] <oerheks> btw it is prelinking -- sudo sed -i 's/PRELINKING=unknown/PRELINKING=yes/' /etc/default/prelink
[17:58] <oerheks> but i catch your drift
[18:01] <absurdist> prelink is fine on slow media e.g squashfs and so on
[18:01] <absurdist> have to chroot into the system and unprelink it
[18:56] <TryHard01> So I'm booting now thank you! Wifi and eth are good. I can't see the other windows machines on my network, if I try to ping by their hostname I get "Temporary failure in name resolution". Any ideas?
[18:58] <TryHard01> I know in windows you have to enable network discovery, but I'm not sure what the ubuntu equivalent of that is
[19:03] <ioria> TryHard01, ia'm not a specialist about that, but  nope, in general you cannot ping by hostname; you need to edit /etc/hosts or install some dns server or similar
[19:04] <ioria> TryHard01,  and if oyu have on the lan a windows machine you need something like Bonjour and on ubuntu running avahi
[19:05] <oerheks> maybe this page is any help https://askubuntu.com/questions/1047735/ubuntu-18-04-not-recognizing-hostnames-from-router
[19:08] <tatertots> TryHard01: I'd expect you to not be able to ping by name, can you confirm ping by IP is successful?
[19:08] <TryHard01> I can ping by IP, I'm able to access the shares, but name resolution isn't working
[19:09] <tatertots> that's expected
[19:09] <TryHard01> it was working in mint for some reason when I was testing Mint
[19:09] <tatertots> but you can't test mint to compare anymore because you don't have mint right?
[19:10] <TryHard01> right I was runnign mint in a vm on my current workstation. its dual boot
[19:10] <TryHard01> bit of a pain to flip back and test
[19:10] <TryHard01> I think I found something though
[19:11] <TryHard01> https://askubuntu.com/questions/236746/how-to-turn-on-network-discovery-and-share-between-computers-with-samba
[19:11] <TryHard01> this is looking promising going to try it
[19:11] <tatertots> not all equipment for residential consumers will "automagically" provide forward/reverse name resolution...if your equipment provides it great consider yourself lucky but it's not required.
[19:11] <TryHard01> I should run a backup lol
[19:12] <TryHard01> I have an Edgerouter x10, it has dns caching but network discovery doesn't require DNS
[19:12] <TryHard01> its a service...hostnames broadcast as long as the service is enabled
[19:12] <TryHard01> if this works I'll report back
[19:13] <ioria> TryHard01, so you're not interested in ping hostnames, but in sharing resources ?
[19:13] <TryHard01> otherwise static IP for the win
[19:13] <TryHard01> Yes I want to see the hostnames when I browse the network
[19:13] <ioria> ah
[19:13] <TryHard01> and be able to ping those names
[19:14] <ioria> TryHard01, so that could be accomplished with nmdlookup or  or nbtscan
[19:14] <cgi> I have a ubuntu server 14.04 lts running. Is there an easy way to upgrade it to 18.04lts? I do have a backup to restore from
[19:14] <tatertots> 14.04 is EOL
[19:15] <ioria> *nmblookup
[19:15] <cgi> tatertots, so no hope except install everything from scratch?
[19:15] <tatertots> thought i'd mention that ...you're going to hear that echoed in here anytime someone mentions a EOL version of ubuntu
[19:16] <oerheks> there are huge changes in between, 14.04 > 18.04 ,  i would start fresh
[19:16] <tatertots> upgrades are hit or miss anyhow...fresh install is always least headaches
[19:16] <TryHard01> ioria, hah that command worked
[19:16] <ioria> ok
[19:17] <TryHard01> now I just have to figure out how to get it so I can use those names like smb://server01
[19:17] <ioria>  exactly like that, but with shared folder
[19:18] <tatertots> if you still can't ping by name...smb://nameofpc ain't gonna work either....
[19:18] <oerheks> https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-enable-samba-connections-via-hostname/
[19:19] <tatertots> when you can ping by name...all is well
[19:19] <oerheks> indeed
[19:19] <oerheks> just enable netbios in smb config
[19:19] <TryHard01> ok I think the smb.config file is the key yeah
[19:20] <TryHard01> soon as I figure out how to get in the right directory to use nano I'll be golden LOL.
[19:20] <ioria> TryHard01, the simplest is   smbclient -L server_hostname
[19:26] <ioria> TryHard01, right directory, for what ?
[19:27] <TryHard01> Well I'm messing around a bit now
[19:27] <TryHard01> I had to install smbclient and I'm not sure what exactly that command does...it did connect me to my server through smb but the output was weird
[19:27] <ioria> weird, how ?
[19:28] <TryHard01> looks like this...hope this isn't too spammy just two lines
[19:28] <ioria> TryHard01, that cmd shows you the shares
[19:28] <TryHard01> 	Sharename       Type      Comment
[19:29] <TryHard01> 	ADMIN$          Disk      Remote Admin
[19:29] <ioria> yeah
[19:29] <TryHard01> does that with all the $ shares
[19:29] <ioria> TryHard01, that's all ?
[19:29] <TryHard01> well it shows all the $ shares
[19:29] <ioria> TryHard01, ok, so ?
[19:30] <TryHard01> When I hope the file manager, I'm hoping to see under "Networks", "Windows Network" -- all the windows machines
[19:31] <ioria> TryHard01,  in general yes, it should work. but first try this :  smbclient \\\\server\\share
[19:32] <ioria> TryHard01,  btw, that's not Nautilus, right ?
[19:33] <eelstrebor> do i need to be concerned about this: vnstatd[1408]: Info: Traffic rate for "tun0" higher than set maximum 10 Mbit
[19:33] <TryHard01> that smbclient command worked.  I don't think its Nautilus...not sure what you're asking though.
[19:34] <ioria> TryHard01,  'cause nautilus has 'Other Locations' not 'Network'
[19:34] <TryHard01> Oh yeah it says +Other Locations
[19:34] <ioria> ok
[19:34] <TryHard01> insice there it says Windows Network
[19:34] <TryHard01> inside*
[19:34] <ioria> TryHard01,  but empty ?
[19:35] <TryHard01> yeah well I can see my ubuntu system in there now that I have configured the smb.conf and installes samba services heh
[19:35] <TryHard01> sorry the ubuntu server is at the same level as windows network...windows network is empty
[19:36] <ioria> TryHard01,  the point is : can you see in Nautilus your Shares from other Pcs ?
[19:36] <cgi> what is a good vpn software that I can use so that my network connection goes through a cloud machine?
[19:36] <TryHard01> ioria, no I can't see them
[19:37] <ioria> TryHard01,  so shall focus on that
[19:38] <ioria> TryHard01,  Other Locations -> (look at bottom) -> Connect to Server and type -> smb://server/share
[19:39] <TryHard01> that worked, pretty sure I couldn't use the name before
[19:40] <ioria> TryHard01,  ok, remmeber to set ufw is enabled or your iptables rule
[19:40] <TryHard01> ioria, I need a bit of a hint as to how to check that
[19:40] <ioria> TryHard01,  sudo ufw status
[19:41] <TryHard01> ioria, inactive
[19:41] <ioria> TryHard01,  leave it alone for now then
[19:45] <TryHard01> well this will work, I can just mount them and I think they'll stay there for future reference
[19:45] <TryHard01> really appreicate the help!
[19:48] <ioria> ok
[21:13] <Bakkar> hello, can anyone let me know if possible to convert my HDD from MBR to GPT without losing my installation? :)
[21:14] <Bakkar> I have both Windows 10 and Linux installed side by side
[21:14] <jeremy31> Bakkar: it can be dangerous, best to back up before
[21:15] <Bakkar> I did backup my data files, but - praying - not to re-install everything again Windows + linux :(
[21:19] <oerheks> maybe this page is a helphttps://www.linuxtopic.com/2017/08/convert-mbr-to-gpt.html --- http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/mbr2gpt.html
[21:19] <Bakkar> jeremy31: I have 500MB ready for the bios boot, I can only see creating new partition which i dont want to
[21:20] <Bakkar> oerheks: , let me give it a read
[21:20] <oerheks> the efi partition should be at the start, iirc
[21:21] <oerheks> and i hope windows is installed in gpt/uefi already??
[21:22] <Bakkar> oerheks: no it was installed on MBR i think - this means I might need to reinstall it?
[21:23] <bprompt> Bakkar:  how big is  your HDD?
[21:24] <Bakkar> bprompt: 1TB (but I have Win+2Lin part) and the BIOS boot that I cannot remove - my issue I cannot create the 4th
[21:24] <Bakkar> sorry, I meant the 5th
[21:26] <Bakkar> I will delete this boot partition and I hope it wont break anything :)
[21:27] <bprompt> Bakkar:  well, GPT is only relevant for HDD ⩾ 2TB, and  you can get a 5th partition, only thing is it won't be a "primary partition", so you'd need to keep 3, and use one as "extended partition" and in the extended one, you can cram as many "logical partitions" that you want, yes, MBR/BIOS mapping is limited to only 4 "primary" partitions
[21:28] <bprompt> Bakkar:  but more than 4 primary partitions, is not a very good reason to change the HDD mapping to GPT though, unless there's an exigent reason
[21:29] <Bakkar> bprompt: I think this is what I need to do
[21:30] <Bakkar> I will see hhow I can create the Extended partition from gparted
[21:31] <bprompt> Bakkar:  an extended partition, is pretty much like a "wrapper" for "more than 4 partitions" in a MBR/BIOS mapping, so in that wrapper, you create logical partitions, and that's where any data or installations go, in the logical partitions
[21:31] <bprompt> only thing being that an extended partition, doesn't have any logical partition limits that I know of
[21:33] <Bakkar> bprompt: I found what I did wrong .. I had the extended partition sized incorrectly
[21:33] <Bakkar> now I got it fixed - thank you a lot bprompt
[21:34] <bprompt> np
[22:15] <courrier> Guys, I have 8x 32GB USB sticks of the same brand/model. One of them is a customized Ubuntu Live I'd like to copy to others.
[22:15] <courrier> They don't have exactly the same size, a few kBytes less or more maybe.
[22:16] <courrier> But I can easily drop 1GB of margin at the end of the source disk
[22:16] <courrier> I've resized the last partition so that the last GB is fully free
[22:16] <courrier> How should I now proceed to copy? I know dd isn't smart enough for this
[22:18] <courrier> I made a first copy that didn't complain about missing space with bs=8M ... the dd went well ... but the target stick appears to be empty with no partition in the end
[22:20] <bprompt> courrier:  hmm I was going to say "dd", isn't it just a raw write of blobs anyway?
[22:21] <dragonriver[m]> I don't see why dd wouldn't work. Make sure it finishes.
[22:21] <oerheks> "They don't have exactly the same size, a few kBytes less or more maybe. "  sounds like bad blocks
[22:22] <oerheks> put && sync at the end of your command, to be sure that it is done
[22:22] <courrier> Yes, there are bad blocks on some of them, on the others the dd succeeded with no single error... but still, when plugged in, gparted doesn't find any partition there
[22:22] <oerheks> but basicly, drop the bad ones
[22:22] <courrier> Also is bs=8M too high?
[22:23] <oerheks> BS=4M is more common
[22:23] <courrier> oerheks: even the good ones are not readable after a successful copy
[22:23] <courrier> Lemme try 4M
[22:24] <bprompt> courrier:  law of bad blocks or bad clusters or bad sectors, deterioration is directly proportional with passing time
[22:24] <courrier> Gparted says the GPT backup is corrupt
[22:24] <tomreyn> if it's a GPT the backup copy at the end of the storage could be cut off
[22:24] <tomreyn> right
[22:24] <courrier> but it should work even if the backup is drop, right? tomreyn
[22:25] <leftyfb> courrier: first. Make an image of the usb flash drive. Use this tutorial (loosely) to shrink the image down http://www.aoakley.com/articles/2015-10-09-resizing-sd-images.php. Use said image to flash to the rest of the flash drives.
[22:25] <tomreyn> that's not much of a problem, you can have it recreated using e.g. sgdisk on the target devices
[22:25] <courrier> Currently it complains but does not see any partition
[22:25] <leftyfb> courrier: also, make sure the flash drives you are writing to are unmounted before using dd to write to them
[22:26] <tomreyn> i  second leftyfb's approach
[22:36] <courrier> leftyfb: I've already kept the last GB of my source disk fully free, is the step "Resizing a partition within an image file" necessary?
[22:36] <courrier> THus I need to copy a 31GB source disk, the the dd will keep make a 32GB destination image
[22:37] <oerheks> no, unless you let it expand, but you claim the devices are different sizes .. i wonder if that bad block is in the middle
[22:38] <oerheks> there is only one way to find out, i guess
[22:39] <courrier> oerheks:I can get rid of the bad blocks devices for now and focus on the others
[22:39] <courrier> but then my first dd should have worked :(
[22:39] <tomreyn> the thing is the GPT backup partition table will always be in the end of the partitionable space, not the partitioned space. so even if you shrink those partitions and leave the rest of the partitioned device empty, the backups parttiiton table is still in there.
[22:39] <leftyfb> courrier: no, you mainly just need to run the truncate. But read through it so you understand what is going on
[22:40] <tomreyn> but this shouldn't cause you to loose the main partition table
[22:41] <dragonriver[m]> You could also dd an image of your usb key, i.e. of=/mnt/sdb1.img, then copy that image to your other usb keys. Might be faster too as your .img will be on faster disk.
[23:07] <Sir_Leto> question, I'm setting up a mail server, and I seem to be required to configure a FQDN for this system, if I do this, will my previously set hostname also work? can systems have more than one hostname>
[23:15] <jnewt> so, tried to move a directory with ton of subdirectories and files.   didn't think it through, didn't use sudo, and only some moved.  now i have two halves, one in the original location, another in the new location.  how do i move the rest of the files or get the ones i moved back in their original spots?
[23:20] <tomreyn> Sir_Leto: they can have multiple FQDNs resolving to their ip address, multiple MX records pointing to them.
[23:21] <Sir_Leto> well, I want to my server to still respond to examplehostname and mail.domain.com at the same time
[23:22] <Sir_Leto> examplehostname would just be a name I use locally
[23:22] <AlexPortable> Trying to recover (some) data from an sdcard: `e2fsck: Input/output error while recovering journal of rootfs e2fsck: unable to set superblock flags on rootfs`
[23:22] <Sir_Leto> changing it would probably breake stuff
[23:22] <AlexPortable> Trying to recover (some) data from an sdcard: `e2fsck: Input/output error while recovering journal of rootfs e2fsck: unable to set superblock flags on rootfs`. `mount: /mnt/sdcard: can't read superblock on /dev/mmcblk0p2`
[23:24] <tomreyn> Sir_Leto: just like a webserver can host multiple "virtual" hosts, a mail server can serve multiple "virtual" mail domains, and different "virtual" users on these.
[23:26] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: use ddrescue to  create an image of the entire sd card, then create a copy of that and then try to recover data on the copy.
[23:26] <AlexPortable> 'create disk image' from the 'disks' program?
[23:26] <tomreyn> "use ddrescue"
[23:27] <AlexPortable> how are th tools different?
[23:28] <oerheks> fsck vs ddrescue vs 2fsck
[23:30] <tomreyn> ddrescue has better techniques than dd (which can only copy sequentially) for restoring data from physically damaged storages.
[23:31] <AlexPortable> kinda weird ddrescue isn included then
[23:31] <AlexPortable> isn't
[23:31] <tomreyn> included in what?
[23:31] <AlexPortable> ubuntu GUI
[23:31] <tomreyn> it's a CLI utility
[23:31] <AlexPortable> as what should i save the file? I now put .iso, but not sure how to access it
[23:33] <tomreyn> it doesn't really matter what yu call the file. i'd use testdisk on the copy of the image as well as e2fsck in read-only mode.
[23:35] <tomreyn> if it's partitioned, you'll want to losetup -P the copy of the image so you can properly access its partitions, and thus fiel systems on it.
[23:36] <tomreyn> if you have recent and complete backups in a restorable format, as you should have of all valuable data at any time, you won't need to work with these utilities.
[23:36] <AlexPortable> not recent enough
[23:36] <AlexPortable> and tucked away somewhere
[23:36] <AlexPortable> this is easier
[23:37] <AlexPortable> pct rescued:  100.00%
[23:39] <AlexPortable> I assume i'd have to replace the sdcard?
[23:41] <tomreyn> if imaging was so fast and without warnings / errors then it may still be ok, but then the question of "how did the file system become broken" remains, and if there is no good explanation for it you may want to prefer replacing the sd card. people working with these professionally generally store data on two copies at a time and destroy them after a certain number of write cycles.
[23:45] <AlexPortable> nosetup -P copy.img no such device
[23:45] <AlexPortable> losetup
[23:46] <AlexPortable> error mounting cannot mount read only
[23:46] <tomreyn> see the example in the man page on how to use losetup
[23:48] <AlexPortable> i can access the image file, but it says bad superblock
[23:49] <AlexPortable> e2fsck: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open
[23:49] <tomreyn> was the sdcard partitioned?
[23:49] <AlexPortable> i see FAT and ext4 in the disks after mounting the image
[23:50] <tomreyn> you don't mount an image, you mount a file system
[23:50] <AlexPortable> the image presents two filesystems
[23:50] <AlexPortable> when i double click it
[23:51] <tomreyn> so you losetup the image and got two loop devices?
[23:51] <AlexPortable> i double clicked the image
[23:51] <AlexPortable> and it gave me two loop devices yes, one of which is boot (which i can access just fine), the other says cannot mount /dev/loop15p2 read-only
[23:52] <tomreyn> well do it on the CLI, so you can know what you're doing, and how it's failing.
[23:55] <AlexPortable> `losetup -j copy.img` does nothing
[23:56] <AlexPortable> mount: /mnt/imgtemp2: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop15, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.