[06:39] <livcd> What is the role of Juju in the age of Kubernetes?
[06:58] <manadart> livcd: Using Juju, one can deploy and scale Kubernetes itself. Such a deployment can then be used as a substrate by Juju to model and manage solutions on top of Kubernetes.
[07:00] <manadart> Deploying K8s with Juju: https://jaas.ai/canonical-kubernetes
[07:05] <manadart> It is also easy to play with Juju/K8s using microk8s.
[07:24] <livcd> hmmm
[07:24] <livcd> So Juju would be a platform to deploy the k8, then manage the apps that sit on K8
[07:42] <manadart> livcd: Yes.
[07:45] <livcd> I need to watch some videos to understand this better
[11:44] <skatsaounis> hi any ideas? cannot read "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-xxx-2/state/uniter": invalid operation state: "relation-changed" hook has a remote unit but no application
[11:45] <skatsaounis> can I manually rewrite the uniter? If yes what keyvalue should I add?
[14:03] <gnuoy> hi there, does anyone know what changed around cross model relations between juju 2.7.0 and 2.7.1 ?
[14:04] <gnuoy> I have a test which was passing and no longer is.
[14:04] <gnuoy> It looks like the cmr hook isn't firing but digging into it in a bit more detail now
[14:07] <stickupkid> gnuoy, there are CMR changes, but it should only be landing in 2.8 (develop), let me know if you find anything
[14:09] <gnuoy> stickupkid, is https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2kJ75VJcmh/ normal ?
[14:10] <gnuoy> stickupkid, oh, sorry
[14:12] <gnuoy> All the CMR relations are in a 'terminated' state
[14:49] <gnuoy> stickupkid, I've raised https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1860992
[14:49] <mup> Bug #1860992: CMR relation goes into terminated state on deploy <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1860992>
[15:07] <stickupkid> gnuoy, I'll just have a quick look now to confirm
[15:07] <gnuoy> thanks
[15:38] <stickupkid> manadart, or anybody know when we updated lxd stuff...
[15:38] <stickupkid> I'm getting juju.provider.lxd failed to get instances from LXD: Get https://172.17.0.1:8443/1.0/containers?recursion=1: Unable to connect to: 172.17.0.1:8443
[15:38] <stickupkid> the url is available to access
[15:41] <stickupkid> gnuoy, looks confirmed to me, I'll see why we're getting an error in remote application worker for keystone
[15:42] <gnuoy> stickupkid, great, thank you
[15:43] <stickupkid> gnuoy, is there any chance you can test with edge?
[15:43] <gnuoy> stickupkid, sure
[15:44] <gnuoy> I'll do it now and update the bug
[15:44] <stickupkid> gnuoy, fyi: that's the 2.8 release and thanks
[16:18] <gnuoy> stickupkid, 2.8 seems to have the issue too
[17:10] <stickupkid> gnuoy, if you need a work around for now, you can remove the saas from swift-sf and then consume the offer again.
[17:10] <gnuoy> stickupkid, ack, thanks
[21:24] <timClicks> some interesting threads in discourse have popped up over the last few days
[21:25] <timClicks> https://discourse.jujucharms.com/