[00:01] <guiverc> yep... in destroying my server, & needing to restore data I discovered I didn't have it safe "." files, so bazaar doesn't recognize my dir anymore :(   I'll have to re-download I guess (I have my files anyway if I need to start again; which I don't expect to need)
[00:30] <guiverc> sorry wxl; was busy writing lubu.support reply on forums; i'll endeavour to fix my bazaar issue tomorrow (unlikely to get to it today); whenever it suits you after that (ie. give me ~2 days from now) .. you can set time, or just ask I'll try & fit around you..
[01:18] <wxl> guiverc: just hit me up and you've got everything set back up and maybe i can go over things with you as we go
[01:18] <wxl> launchpad is kind of a ridiculous interface for dealing with reviews, honestly
[01:18] <guiverc> ack
[02:42] <wxl> do if you DND to the desktop from the menu and copy the desktop file, it will be marked as untrusted. now technically it's a copy of a desktop entry from /usr/share/applications. both of them do not have metadata::trusted set, whch is equivalent to being untrusted. however, if you navigate to /usr/share/applications, everything's trusted. maybe a weird bug?
[05:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL6554aa58c010: Add recent files button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL6554aa58c010
[05:30] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7eb5e036b999: Specify on the command line] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7eb5e036b999
[05:45] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALa37f39293497: Add note on print dialog window to loimpress] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALa37f39293497
[05:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL91e94a4c712d: Add choosing which printer to use] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL91e94a4c712d
[11:35] <kc2bez> wxl: I feel like that is probably intentional from upstream. 
[15:00] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T148: Fix merges from MoM] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T148
 https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-offering-changes-2020
[16:42] <wxl> kc2bez: indeed you are correct
[16:45] <wxl> @RikMills doesn't seem like any of that's relevant to us eh?
 If you are interested in the future of the toolkit you build your desktop on it might be
[17:19] <wxl> @RikMills perhaps i was saying more that it doesn't have any negative effect on us :)
 *stabs wxl and @tsimonq2* oyi need you guys to DO WORK
 > open-source users will receive patch-level releases of 5.15 until the next minor release will become available
 That's a negative effect
 wxl: maybe we should revert the qt5 vcl, see this bug when exporting to pdf https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125234
[18:44] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T68: provide a solution for installing third-party/proprietary drivers] hmollercl (Hans P. Möller) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T68#3052
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13T148: Fix merges from MoM  3]   15The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) …], I didn't recieve a mail for this. Phab mails aren't working @teward001 ?
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I didn't recieve a mail for this. Phab mails aren't working @teward001 ?], related to T147 (infra/security).
 known issue
 not one that we are publicly explaining atm
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I didn't recieve a mail for this. Phab mails aren't working @teward001 ?], see PMs
[20:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> ow. Thanks wxl for merging that task.
 The_LoudSpeaker check your Telegram PMs.
[20:47] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T142: Deal with merges] rikmills (Rik Mills) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T142#3054
 what do I write in test plan for merge?
 where do I read about lintian warning?
 (s)
 `W: lxqt-about-l10n: package-relation-with-self breaks: lxqt-about-l10n (<< 0.14.0)`
 https://lintian.debian.org/index.html
[21:14] <wxl> @UniversalSuperBox is that bad though?
 @HMollerCl [https://lintian.debian.org/index.html], Thanks!
 @The_LoudSpeaker [W: lxqt-about-l10n: package-relation-with-self breaks: lxqt-about-l10n (<< 0.14. …], what does this mean?
[21:17] <wxl> @HMollerCl re:vcl sounds like the issue with with the renderer. how do we specify cairo?
[21:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> nvm: https://lintian.debian.org/tags/package-relation-with-self.html
 @wxl [<wxl> @HMollerCl re:vcl sounds like the issue with with the renderer. how do we …], SAL_VCL_QT5_USE_CAIRO=true libreoffice
 but that didn't work well for me
[21:18] <wxl> why not?
 libreoffice was completely unusable
[21:20] <kc2bez> yes, unusable = not working well
[21:20] <wxl> hm
[21:20] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T142: Deal with merges] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T142#3056
 @wxl [<wxl> hm], it worked for me in the past (18.10 I think) SAL_VCL_QT5_USE_CAIRO=true SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=qt5 libreoffice
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> yes, unusable = not working well], wxl: this happen to me https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=157467
[21:34] <wxl> it seems to me that upstream is not aware it's problematic the way the original bug reads
 Fun facts: if you install baobab in a Ubuntu lxqt environment, it will override pcmanFM-qt to open any removable devices from the rd element in the panel :(
[22:02] <wxl> what's the problem? that a disk analyzer opens all the disks? i'm not totally surprised.
[22:14] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T142: Deal with merges] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T142#3065
[22:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/s7s4hdVHf7/
[22:15] <The_LoudSpeaker> getting this on a debuild -b --no-sign but builds fine with debuild -S -k[key]
[22:16] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T142: Deal with merges] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T142#3070
[22:16] <wxl> so -b is binary -S is source
[22:16] <wxl> it's likely you would have problems with binaries that you wouldn't with source builds
[22:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah. reading manual now.
 well that's also clearly explaining what the core issue is
 -b requires that you have lxqt-config and lxqt-config-l10n installed wherever you're calling the -b
 debuild is not smart enough to call apt to install the build depends
 so if you are doing a binary build first, pull all your Build Dependencies in first manually
[22:17] <The_LoudSpeaker> I did a apt build-dep
[22:17] <wxl> which, incidentially, is in the packaging tutorial XD
 that won't help you if the package isn't seeded.
 or available in your environment
 s/seeded/in your repos/
 you'll have to do apt install for each of the listed build depends in the d/control file
 (shorthand for debian/control, I use d/ to indicate shorthand for debian/ in source packages)
[22:18] <The_LoudSpeaker> k.
[22:19] <The_LoudSpeaker> I remember doing it for something else
 @The_LoudSpeaker sometimes in lxqt the version required of other lxqt component isn't well defined.
 you might have to build the other lxqt component before.
[22:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> I checked it with ubottu
[22:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> the versions are there
[22:20] <The_LoudSpeaker> atleast in focal. not in bionic
 fo example, pcmanfm-qt says in cmakelist that libfm-qt min vwesion is 0.14.1 which is the one we have in focal, but we had to build libfm-qt git before.
 pcmanfm-qt git version.
[22:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> wait @teward, manually installing all those in build-dep of a package and using apt build-dep is any different?
[22:24] <teward> how did you call apt build-dep?
[22:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> @hmollercl. oh I see. I will check if I need to build something
[22:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> @teward I did a "sudo apt build-dep lxqt-config"
[22:25] <teward> apt build-dep only works when you're pulling in the build deps for a package already in the repositories that your system uses tfor apt install and such
[22:25] <teward> that pulls in the build dependencies for lxqt-config but *not* lxqt-config as a build dependency
[22:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> oh not for all the extra ones
[22:25] <teward> for THAT you need `apt install ...` not `build-dep`
[22:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> I gotcha 
[22:26] <teward> so if I do `apt build-dep python3.6` in a Bionic box it'll pull *all* the build dependencies for the python3.6 source package
[22:26] <teward> C++
[22:26] <teward> libssl-dev
[22:26] <teward> etc.
[22:26] <teward> but *NOT* `python3.6` itself
[22:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> okay. doing it again. one sec
 i'm headed home - day's over for me.
[22:37] <The_LoudSpeaker> same story even after manually installing everything from control file. and also installing lxqt-config.
[22:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ wxl