[00:14] <qwertuttyty> For R. Pi 2 B class 4 memory card mSD for 18 mate is suitable? I remember it was slow for 15 Mate. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cxTNM6wQ9Z/
[00:35] <tomreyn> class 10 is what you want nowadays.
[00:41] <tomreyn> qwertuttyty: already 5y ago class 10 (C10) was really desirable, including for pi 2b: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blogs/jeff-geerling/raspberry-pi-microsd-card
[00:42] <tomreyn> (don't buy the specific models listed there, those are also outdated now)
[00:42] <qwertuttyty> No today there is only 4 class. 10 class not today but later
[00:43] <tomreyn> did we just time travel back by 10 years?
[00:44] <tomreyn> or are you in a place that's affected by embargoes by chance?
[00:45] <qwertuttyty> i not use my pi as PC 5 year.
[00:45] <tomreyn> hmm, not sure i understand.
[00:46] <tomreyn> Class 10 microSD cards have been available on "western" markets and china (and chinese import shops) for 5 years or more. and you should really get one of those to use on a raspi, even if it's an older raspi.
[00:49] <qwertuttyty> It makes sense to install Mate 18 on msd class 4 or no sense to work with msd class 4 will be very slow?
[00:50] <tomreyn> it will be possible. by my measure, it will be very slow.
[00:51] <qwertuttyty> I have class 4 microsd. I can only buy mikrosd 10 clas later.
[00:52] <qwertuttyty> I don 't even know exactly when i can buy
[00:55] <tomreyn> https://www.gearbest.com/memory-cards-c_11259/
[00:57] <qwertuttyty> It makes sense to install Mate 18 on msd class 4 or no sense to work with msd class 4 will be very slow and for 18 Mate
[01:10] <qwertuttyty> If nothing is changed with 15 Mate and msd class 4 is also not suitable and for 18 Mate then I know how slow msd class 4.
[13:56] <vlt> Hello. Is there a way to get the available "desktop size" between any top and bottom panels?