[01:36] <krytarik> OvenWerks: As a back note, they've also stopped upgrades on 32-bit for everybody.
[01:42] <OvenWerks> krytarik: Ya, I figgured
[01:42] <OvenWerks> seems that was one of the reasons for ubuntu going that route
[04:47] <corshmock> OvenWerks: but does Debian have the complete Ubuntu Studio 18.04 suite of applications?
[04:51] <JackFrost> http://bugs.debian.org/798490
[04:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> JackFrost: I packaged that in Ubuntu almost a year ago.
[04:54] <JackFrost> Ubuntu != Debian.
[05:35] <OvenWerks> corshmock: that probably doesn't matter. I have done a recording session with my laptop, but would not likely do mixdown. I can get Ardour on it and jack which is the major thing whatever distro I goto when ubuntu no longer gets me 32bit.
[05:36] <OvenWerks> for that matter, studio already has applications where upstream is 64bit only already
[05:36] <OvenWerks> so there are some applications missing already.
[16:53] <Eickmeyer[m]> JackFrost: What's your point with posting that Debian bug then?
[16:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> JackFrost: Nevermind, but posting why you're posting that link is more helpful than just posting the link.
[18:49] <corshmock> OvenWerks: That's interesting.  So what about 64bit?  You obviously have some reason for staying away from it?
[19:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> corshmock: It's because he still has one computer that's 32-bit.
[19:02] <OvenWerks> two actually...
[19:16] <corshmock> OvenWerks:  Okay but when do you decide to draw the line and say, okay it really is time to upgrade my hardware?
[19:19] <OvenWerks> some people do not have endless money to replace hw that is functioning perfectly.
[19:21] <OvenWerks> The only reason to draw the line is when the hw breaks or is not able to run the sw needed. An artificial lets not supply 32 bit sw is not a part of that
[19:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> ^That said, our official policy is that Ubuntu Studio is not created to give life to older hardware. Our last 32-bit builds were 18.04.
[19:29] <corshmock> OvenWerks: I appreciate money doesn't grow on trees friend, but it really costs very little to have a decent machine running Linux.  This thing here is an old banger latitude E5430 I bought a few years ago for, I think something like 340 Euro.  You could get this thing for, max 200 Euro now.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: yes and I even agree with that. I am not interested in being able to do _everything_ but there are a loy of things it is still good at. I am not worried about running Studio on this machine, but there are a number of things it is still very good at.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> corshmock: 200 euro is still a lot. this laptop was free :)
[19:32] <corshmock> OvenWerks: No problem Pal.  I hope you can run what you need for a long time.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> I will... even if it means no updates.
[19:33] <OvenWerks> That may very well be the answer is to be happy with where the unit is and just use it.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> A lot of the security concerns can be addressed by building. The most obvious one being the kernel... and lets face it, 1995 we all did that.
[19:43] <corshmock> It makes it a very interesting situation.  You're on 16.04?  You can get around security concerns, apps you may need, and never have to get used to a potentially tough learning curve?  If that's the case, I think it's brilliant Mate.
[19:44] <OvenWerks> Actually I think its 18.04
[19:44] <OvenWerks> I installed 16.04 and upgraded
[19:44] <OvenWerks> In fact I actually installed 16.04 after 18.04 was out.
[20:24] <corshmock>  What were you on before 16.04?
[22:49] <OvenWerks> corshmock: that laptop was given to me 2018ish
[23:03] <JackFrost> Eickmeyer[m]: Sure, though when the question is "What's Debian missing?" it seems to fit. :)
[23:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> JackFrost: Yes, but you interjected yourself into another conversation without providing any context. You can't assume people are going to understand why you are providing a link.
[23:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> JackFrost: Either way, I'm over it. No big deal, let's move forward and past. :)
[23:07] <JackFrost> Hrm, I wonder if Matrix is dropping messages again, but anyway.  Moot now, indeed.
[23:13] <Eickmeyer> JackFrost: Possible, but I may have not read the entire backlog. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[23:14] <JackFrost> Eickmeyer: Likely -ot or -dev would be better, but is there anything else that's Ubuntu only, and do you plan to try to get 'em in Debian?  IIRC one of your contributors was a DM too?
[23:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> JackFrost: Yeah, let's take this to -devel.