[07:23] <lordievader> Good mornig
[07:23] <lordievader> morning*
[14:06] <danboid> Is there not an IRC channel for Landscape?
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> !landscape | danboid
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> danboid: official support falls under canonical
[14:07] <danboid> I looked here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList and couldn't see one
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> there isnt one danboid
[14:07] <danboid> OK
[14:08] <danboid> I've just installed landscape-quickstart and I've found 2 bugs in the first 30 minutes
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> danboid: contact canonical about it
[14:13] <cgi> does anyone run a quic server in production here?
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> cgi: best to ask your specific question to the channel, so volunteers can think along with you
[14:18] <cgi> what is a good production server to run for supporting quic? Currently I use nginx, but would like to support quic in production.
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> cgi: Not sure I understand the issue/limitation with Nginx in a production environment. Lots of companies/webservers run nginx on the Interent
[15:14] <tomreyn> cgi: https://caniuse.com/#search=QUIC
[15:15] <tomreyn> vs https://caniuse.com/#search=HTTP%2F2
[16:42] <Ussat> is 20.4 abaliable in beta ?
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> !ubuntu+1 | Ussat
[16:42] <Ussat> Thanks
[16:43] <Ussat> Not looking for support, but thanks
[16:43] <pragmaticenigma> Ussat: Support and/or questions need to be directed there
[16:43] <Ussat> ...
[17:10] <sorin-mihai> is there some method/documentation about loading additional drivers/kernel modules in the server installer?
[17:54] <pragmaticenigma> sorin-mihai: I thought that was what DKMS was/is for
[17:56] <sorin-mihai> actually testing the focal server installer on a server with nvme drives in raid and some 10g nics, and neither are detected properly, so i tought i could just manually load them
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> sorin-mihai: 20.04 hasn't been released yet, likely you're encountering a bug. I would recommend building with 18.04, unless this a testing machine. If you are testing, then you're question would be better asked in #ubuntu+1
[17:58] <sorin-mihai> true, true. yet, is there a method already established for loading drivers that are not in the standard iso?
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> sorin-mihai: This might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[18:04] <sorin-mihai> thanks
[18:21] <danboid> Does anyone know how to use landscape-config to join a machine to a landscape server as a container?
[18:24] <danboid> Also, does the landscape client need to be installed on the landscape on-prem server for it to be updated with Landscape or not?
[18:25] <danboid> I'm going to request both these get added to the Landscape FAQ
[18:29] <danboid> I'm pretty sure you do need to install the client on the server to get it to update itself as when you first start it no computers ae registered
[18:53] <danboid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/landscape/+bug/1861722
[18:54] <teward> danboid: i believe it has to have the landscape client installed on it but I"d be careful pushing updates blindly lol
[18:56] <danboid> teward, Do you know how to register a Landcape client as a container instead of a full machine?
[18:56] <teward> no, but containers need specialized Landscape licenses
[18:56] <teward> to be used *as* containers
[18:57] <teward> and usually I think they require some kind of MaaS deployment or Juju deployment to make that work.
[18:57] <teward> with a free landscape onprem you don't get to nitpick between full or containers I don't think
[18:58] <danboid> teward, No, the free version supports up to 50 containers and 10 full machines
[18:58] <teward> then that's changed since I last used it
[18:59] <teward> not sure how to specify what is or isn't a container though that's probably in the docs somewhere deeo
[19:00] <teward> danboid: what 'client' is this?  Docker container?  LXD?
[19:01] <danboid> I'm interested in both LXC and LXD
[19:01] <teward> VM?
[19:01] <teward> no i mean the one you're tryign to register as a container instaed of a full machine
[19:02] <danboid> I have both LXC and LXD containers I'd like to register
[19:02] <teward> have you *tried* registering them?
[19:03] <danboid> Yes, as a full machine but it doesn't auto-detect its a container
[19:03] <danboid> That was a LXD. I've not tried LXC yet
[19:05] <danboid> landscape-config has a --cloud option but that seems to be for Amazon EC2 instances
[19:06] <danboid> The man page makes no mention of containers
[19:06] <teward> yeah i think it's going to autodetect them, an LXC container and an LXD container are different beasts
[19:07] <teward> the on prem page indicates this:  a free license with 10+50 seats (bare metal plus LXC containers)
[19:07] <teward> where it says **LXC** containers
[19:07] <teward> not LXD
[19:07] <teward> so my guess is test an LXC container and see what happens
[19:07] <teward> if it works for LXC but not LXD then the issue is LXD != LXC containers
[19:07] <teward> and may not be covered under the standard 'containers' group
[19:07] <danboid> Seems funny it doesn't support LXD as that's a Canonical thing
[19:08] <danboid> and its hardly new
[19:08] <teward> to be fair i think their use cases are different but I don't know specifics to that end unfortunately
[19:08] <danboid> I'm pretty sure juju uses LXD for its containers
[19:12] <teward> ohnston
[19:12] <teward> oops
[19:13] <teward> cjohnston: since you replied to ^ their bug, I thought I'd ask you stop in
[19:13] <cjohnston> hi
[19:13] <teward> cjohnston: apparently, danboid is using landscape, and trying to reg LXD as containers but it regs bare metal instaed
[19:13] <teward> hence the inquiry as how to *tell* it to use a container license.
[19:14] <teward> sorry to drag you in here but since you replied on the bug... :P
[19:14] <cjohnston> danboid: can you screenshot your license page?
[19:14] <teward> danboid: also this is onprem yes?
[19:14] <teward> (not Canonical SaaS cloud Landscape)
[19:14] <teward> (like I have xD)
[19:15] <danboid> cjohnston, Not now but I can tomorrow. It's in work and I turned it off overnight as I've notset up the firewall etc yet
[19:15] <cjohnston> ok
[19:15] <danboid> Yes its on prem
[19:16] <danboid> cjohnston, Should it auto-detect an LXC or LXD install?
[19:16] <cjohnston> danboid: yes
[19:16] <danboid> I've only tried it in a LXD so far but it thought it was a bare metal machine
[19:17] <cjohnston> danboid: are you running the trial or did you purchase landscape?
[19:17] <danboid> It was a 16.04 container tho, if that makes any difference, on a 16.04 host
[19:17] <danboid> trial
[19:18] <cjohnston> shouldn't
[19:20] <danboid> I need to install the client onto the server to get it to update itself right? It is safe to do that I presume?
[19:21] <danboid> cjohnston, ^^
[19:22] <cjohnston> correct
[19:22] <danboid> Update the Landscape on-prem server I mean
[20:49] <arooni> how do i disable atop logging permanently?  run sudo rm -rf /var/log/atop in crontab ?
[20:50] <sarnold> why not just uninstall it if you don't want to use it?
[20:50] <arooni> because i wanted to like it
[20:50] <arooni> but havent had time to really delve into it
[20:51] <teward> just uninstall it until you get the time to delve into it
[20:52] <arooni> this is the right answer
[20:52] <arooni> what is a 'comfortable' amount of space to have for my / partition?
[20:52] <arooni> and in todays ubuntu; is it stupid to have a separate / from /home partition?
[20:53] <sarnold> arooni: you can always reinstall it when you want to try it out
[20:53] <arooni> (comfortable free space) i have 28gb currently; and have 4gb free (on laptop ubuntu) but i also run an ubuntu vps
[20:53] <sarnold> arooni: and apt install atop   is way easier than trying to remember how you disabled logging because you didn't want to run apt purge atop   :)
[20:53] <arooni> well said
[20:54] <sarnold> re free space.. a lot of cloud instances are created with 10-20 gig root filesystems
[20:54] <sarnold> physical machines may want to do something different ;)
[20:54] <arooni> is it still good practice to keep the root partition separate?
[20:55] <sarnold> I do; but that may be old superstition
[21:01] <teward> it really depends
[21:02] <teward> i don't separate my root partitions anymore 'cause I LVM everything, and most of my systems are backed up externally as well
[21:03] <Ussat> ^^
[21:03] <Ussat> same
[21:38] <coreycb> jamespage: sahid: promoting ussuri-staging->proposed, there are currently 5 tempest failures
[23:36] <Ussat> I am currently useing ansible to manage/patch etc my ubuntu systems, this is the snipit of the play I use for that, I am finding that this is NOT cleaning /boot of old kernels. Any idea what I am missing ?:   https://pastebin.com/UkLHpbcU
[23:45] <oerheks> autoremove: yes
[23:45] <oerheks>                     purge: yes
[23:45] <oerheks> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-use-ansible-to-autoremove-unwanted-package-dependency-with-apt/
[23:45] <oerheks> so not 'true' ??\
[23:46] <Ussat> ahhh thats what I was missing, purge, thanks
[23:46] <oerheks> true > yes
[23:46] <Ussat> Thanks
[23:46] <oerheks> have fun!
[23:47] <Ussat> appreciated.
[23:48] <Ussat> that will leave 2, I assume
[23:48] <Ussat> yes, it does, thanls
[23:48] <oerheks> yes, current and previous kernel.
[23:52] <tds> it can leave up to 4, there's some logic for it
[23:57] <Ussat> Excellent, thanks
[23:58] <Ussat> I had a script that wasdoing this, I just forgot to put that part in the play
[23:58] <Ussat> Thanks again