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oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers07:20
didrocksgood morning07:22
dufluMorning oSoMoN and didrocks07:27
dufluand jibel07:27
didrockshey duflu07:28
oSoMoNsalut didrocks07:34
oSoMoNhey duflu07:34
oSoMoNsalut jibel07:34
didrockssalut oSoMoN07:38
jibelHi all08:12
dufluHi jibel08:13
didrockshey jibel08:19
seb128goooood morning desktopers08:28
seb128Trevinho, jamesh, oSoMoN, weekly discourse summary!08:28
jameshthanks for the reminder08:29
seb128np :)08:29
dufluMorning seb12808:29
seb128jamesh,  weekly reminder aside, how are you doing? ;)08:29
seb128hey duflu, how are you today?08:29
dufluseb128, OK. I can build things again, thanks to Laney. How are you?08:30
seb128I'm good thx!08:30
didrockssalut seb12808:30
seb128I hope you didn't waste too much time after uninstalling your systems with proposed08:30
seb128lut didrocks, en forme ?08:30
jameshseb128: good.  It feels like I've almost got a branch I started 1.5 years ago unblocked, and should be able to progress and get it landed08:31
jameshI've also been experimenting with home brewing kombucha: started with a bottle from the supermarket, and have a decent culture growing after a bit over a week08:33
didrocksseb128: ça va, et toi ?08:34
seb128jamesh, ah, nice for the branch, is that for dbus activation?08:35
jameshseb128: this is daemons running under the user mode instance of systemd, which is a prerequisite for dbus activation08:36
seb128jamesh, I didn't know about kombucha, I just googled it, sounds interesting as a drink :p08:36
seb128jamesh, ah! is that going in the snap source or is that a new component?08:36
jameshseb128: part of snapd.  This is a prereq for dbus activation on the session bus, since they want to be able to control lifetime of long running services08:37
dufluseb128, it cost me an hour or two to rebuild the focal system from scratch. Just kept the same home08:37
jameshe.g. kill service on snap removal, maybe restart on upgrade, etc08:37
jameshfor the kombucha, I started with a 300mL bottle from the store plus ~ 2 L of extra tea, and have culture about 2 mm thick floating on the top after a week08:39
seb128duflu, k, sorry that focal failed you that well, good to see that it got sorted out quickly at the end though08:39
seb128jamesh, I wonder if we can find kombucha here, I never saw the name before08:44
marcustomlinsonmorning desktoppers08:44
seb128is it popular in Australia?08:44
seb128hey marcustomlinson, how are you?08:44
marcustomlinsonseb128: good thanks, you?08:44
jameshseb128: I think it is growing in popularity as an import of US culture (TV, social media, etc).  There are a few brands distributed in the big supermarkets08:44
seb128marcustomlinson, I'm good thanks!08:46
marcustomlinsonhey jamesh long time08:49
jameshhi marcustomlinson08:50
marcustomlinsonjamesh: you well?08:50
jameshyep.  No bush fires in sight :-)08:51
marcustomlinsongood to hear08:52
dufluMorning marcustomlinson08:54
marcustomlinsonhey duflu, how's it going?08:55
duflumarcustomlinson, so so. You?08:55
marcustomlinsonI guess a notch above so so08:55
marcustomlinsonwhy only so so?08:55
marcustomlinsontuesday blues?08:56
duflumarcustomlinson, just reiterating old branches to satisfy upstream blues08:57
marcustomlinsonah those blues :P08:58
marcustomlinsonwell good luck man08:58
Laneyhey09:02
didrockshey marcustomlinson, Laney09:03
dufluMorning Laney09:09
seb128hey Laney, how are you today?09:10
Laneyhey didrocks duflu seb12809:12
oSoMoNseb128, done, and sorry for the late update09:13
seb128oSoMoN, hey, no worry, thx!09:14
seb128oSoMoN, how are you? made it back without issue? how is the baby/cold going?09:14
oSoMoNseb128, travelling back was uneventful, and the cold is not fully gone but everyone feels much better, so things are going in the right direction09:15
seb128improvement :)09:16
Laneyseb128: doing alright09:16
Laneywant spring now, bored of cold09:17
Laneywhat about you?09:17
Laneyhey oSoMoN09:17
marcustomlinsonhey Laney didrocks oSoMoN09:18
seb128spring would be nice! I saw the news on TV yesterday about south of France and how they have like 23°C atm09:18
* seb128 wants that09:18
seb128it's freezing cold here this morning (would be better without the wind...)09:18
Laney😱09:19
marcustomlinsonthe wind is a grumpy old bastard09:19
Laneyfirst couple of daffodils have come up in the garden though09:20
Laneygoing in the right direction09:20
dufluUgh, we hit 43 or 44 today depending which suburb you are in09:20
Laneyeek09:20
oSoMoNhey Laney, marcustomlinson09:23
ricotzgood morning desktopers09:23
oSoMoNgood morning ricotz09:23
didrocksit was 19°C yesterday here09:26
didrockshey ricotz09:26
ricotzhey oSoMoN didrocks seb128 marcustomlinson duflu09:38
ricotzhey Laney09:38
dufluHi ricotz09:38
Laneymoin ricotz09:39
seb128did GNOME changed their process/started to stop building release tarballs?09:39
Laneyhow's it going?09:39
Laneyno09:39
Laneylots missing?09:40
seb128https://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/file-roller/3.35/ doesn't have .90 which we have/jbicha uploaded to Debian09:41
seb128same for https://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/nautilus/3.35/ but .90 was tagged on friday09:42
seb128same https://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-control-center/3.35/ (where09:42
seb128.90 was uploaded by Robert o focal)09:42
seb128or maybe just that ftp is outdated and I'm looking at the wrong place?09:42
ricotzhttps://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-control-center/3.35/gnome-control-center-3.35.90.tar.xz09:43
seb128that's a "yes" to my previous question :)09:43
Laneyindeed, that server is the one linked from the ftp mails I think09:43
LaneyI'm not sure that ftp.gnome.org is meant to be out of date though09:44
Laneywould suggest asking in #sysadmin09:44
seb128right, just saw that, I've been using ftp.gnome.org for ever ... I will ask there09:44
ricotzYour tarball will appear in the following location on ftp.gnome.org:09:45
ricotz  https://download.gnome.org/sources/vala/0.47/09:45
ricotzhaha ^09:45
ricotzoutput of "ftpadmin install ..."09:46
seb128I've asked on #sysadmin, let's see09:46
Laneycovering all bases :>09:47
seb128<av> seb128, you should *not* use anything that is not download.gnome.org09:49
seb128<av> ftp.gnome.org is not maintained by GNOME and left as is for backwards compatility09:49
seb128 compatibility even09:50
seb128k, that's clear09:50
LaneyTIL09:50
* seb128 updates his bookmarks (& versions' source)09:50
red_p1xelHello, I need help. There were issues with drivers of video adapter [GeForce GTX 550 Ti]. After the system upgrade I have incorrect screen resolution. I can't set this because `nvidia-driver-390` does not work properly. How I can resolve this problem?11:23
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didrockscking: hey! Small question around a zfs patch. We are hit by bug https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/9381 which prevents us to list any history in the grub menu. We saw 2 patches that entered 0.8.3 and in particular https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/commit/5a1bf9e8b17f8414d7bd30a833d4d2a26a1851a6. This one is in the 0.8.3-1ubuntu1. However, picking it from -proposed doesn’t work. I13:22
gitbotzfsonlinux issue 9381 in zfs "Automount fails when accessing snapshots for root filesystem" [Type: Defect, Closed]13:22
didrockswonder as we don’t use a dkms module but a regular module if you copy the code to ther kernel and we need a newer kernel as well?13:22
didrocks(my guess and hope is that we are still running our tests with the old kernel having the unpatched zfs module copy)13:26
didrockscking: ok, got it. Installed new kernel from -proposed which was built against the new zfs version and we can now see the snapshots content on root :)13:43
hellsworthgood morning desktopers!14:20
kenvandinegood morning14:20
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth, kenvandine14:20
hellsworthhi oSoMoN and kenvandine :)14:21
marcustomlinsonmorning hellsworth and kenvandine14:22
hellsworthhi marcustomlinson !14:23
didrocksseb128: mind subscribing desktop-packages to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjpeg2?14:27
seb128didrocks, ah, movement there after years, are we the only ones needing it? (just wonder if it needs to fall on us only)14:30
seb128also meeting time14:30
didrocksseb128: apparently, we are the only ones, indeed14:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-0414:31
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seb128Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney (out), marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)14:31
hellswortho/14:31
oSoMoN       \o14:31
marcustomlinson\o14:31
Trevinhoo/14:31
didrockshey again14:32
kenvandine\o14:32
seb128good, seems like we have quite some people around :)14:32
seb128let's get started then14:32
seb128#topic rls-bb-bug14:32
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seb128no desktop item14:33
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:33
seb128only n-m there than we still didn't sort out14:34
seb128#topic rls-dd-bug14:34
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:34
Laneyno d!14:34
hellsworthoh right!14:34
seb128oh, uh, indeed14:35
seb128#topic rls-ee-bug14:35
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seb128thx :)14:35
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:35
seb128no desktop item14:35
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:35
seb128n-m is the only unassigned which isn't fix commited14:35
seb128#topic rls-ff-bug14:35
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html14:36
seb128bug #186148114:36
ubot5bug 1861481 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "language-options causes live CD sessions to be untranslated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/186148114:36
seb128that's a bug leading to the live session not showing translated on some flavors with some locales14:36
seb128I would vote -1 for rls tracking since it's not impacting Ubuntu Desktop itself and only live session/with some locales14:37
Laneydoesn't seem rls for our team but you tagged it so maybe can explain why14:37
seb128Gunnar is looking at it and hopefully he gets it fixed though14:37
Laneynod14:37
seb128I think I did that at fosdem because I didn't read properly and though at the time it impact out live session :p14:38
seb128sorry for the noise14:38
seb128tagging -notfixing now14:38
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:39
seb128sorry14:39
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html14:39
seb128that seems buggy?14:39
marcustomlinsonhmm14:39
marcustomlinsonyeah looks odd14:39
Laneyno bugs \o/14:40
seb128haha14:40
seb128I will ping Brian about it, but let's skip that one for now then14:40
seb128#topic champagne bugs?14:41
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seb128https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=champagne&orderby=-id&start=014:41
seb128it's still unclear to me how those are supposed to be handled and I feel like that needs to be sorted out before we team review them14:41
seb128I've also tried to at least triage them as them come during the week14:42
Wimpresso/14:43
seb128hey Wimpress14:43
seb128Wimpress, do you want to weight in about the champagne bugs thing?14:44
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seb128unsure what we are expected to be doing there14:44
seb128should we review our set only as we do for other bugs?14:44
seb128is the goal to triage and milestone/discard as we do for rls?14:44
WimpressWell, this is new ground. So I think we get to decide how we process this stuff.14:45
LaneyI made a proposal in an email but didn't get any feedback on it.14:46
WimpressI think it would be good to update which packages are affecvted if that information is not correct.14:46
WimpressOh!14:46
* Wimpress looks at email...14:46
LaneyIt'll probably be buried14:46
seb128let's do that post meeting? doesn't feel like something we should block the team on atm14:46
LaneyBut it's basically to treat it like rls-ff-incoming14:47
Laney(1) we already have a process to handle that, and (2) it means the bugs go to the right teams14:47
Laneyyes good idea14:47
seb128also as said I triaged the curent list so we don't really have a backlog to deal with, unless we want to do +1/-1 voting14:47
Wimpress+1 on Laney's proposal14:47
marcustomlinson+114:47
hellsworth+114:47
oSoMoN+114:48
WimpressPerhaps tag as rls-ff-incoming as appropriate too14:48
seb128good, let's follow up with Brian/other teams then14:48
WimpressYep14:48
didrocksseems we are voting, so +1 :p14:48
seb128Wimpress, let's discuss it in our hangout a bit later?14:48
LaneyI was thinking modify the report to look at that tag14:48
Laneyyes ok14:48
WimpressOK14:48
seb128k, sounds like enough for the topic for now then14:48
seb128thx14:48
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:48
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Laneythose LP lists of bugs aren't the best - the script's view is nicer I think14:48
seb128indeed14:48
seb128https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages14:49
seb128Laney, want to do that one this week or should I do it again since I've been keeping an eye on things recently?14:49
Laneyseb128: probably you have a better view on this atm14:49
seb128k14:49
LaneyI just know that python3 is screwing everything this time14:49
Laneyarchive breakage of the week14:49
seb128so lot of python3-defaults blocked items there14:49
WimpressDo we need any additional info from other teams to unblock that stuff Laney?14:50
seb128a stack of gobject-introspection issues that are going to clear off now that L_aney landed a fixed version and that gcc has been fixed (need retries with right triggers which I'm doing)14:50
seb128tjaalton, are we making any progress on openscad/s390x?14:50
seb128I debugged the network-manager one and upstream has a PR fix up for review which I tested/is working so I expect that to clear off this week14:51
hellsworthmarcustomlinson: wasn't a new libreoffice uploaded to proposed?14:51
seb128e-d-s regressed on i386 due to an upload not pushed that got reverted, will be fixed14:51
marcustomlinsonlibreoffice had an out-of-space issue crop up during the python3.8 rebuild that's fixed now AND looks like yesterdays build issue with g-i is fixed too, so hopefully that'll unblock a bit14:52
seb128and I think that's basically it14:52
seb128#topic AOB14:52
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seb128any other topic?14:52
LaneyWimpress: proposed? not in particular I don't think14:53
didrocksnothing for me14:53
WimpressNothing else from me.14:53
WimpressJust to say we had a catch up with the Yaru team last night.14:54
seb128k, just a reminder that ff is approching then14:54
WimpressAll good there.14:54
WimpressIn shape for 20.04.14:54
Laneyplanning a release soon?14:54
WimpressNeed to merge some upstream changes, then I think so.14:54
Laneyspeaking of14:54
seb128it looks like we didn't land much feature work yet so probably a good time to increase focus on getting things lined up14:55
LaneyTrevinho: some gnome-shell/mutter verification still to do fyi14:55
seb128Trevinho, and please start or 3.35.90 whenever you can14:55
Trevinhoack14:55
seb128I will do some of the apps/initial setup/etc in the next days14:55
tjaaltonseb128: no, I'm not able to launch a s390x instance on canonistack, filed an issue but it's still open14:56
seb128Wimpress, ^ are you maybe able to raise priority of that RT in the queue?14:57
TrevinhoLaney: as per the SRU I'm waiting on feedback though (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1845281/comments/18)14:57
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1845281 in mutter (Ubuntu Eoan) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in __GI_raise() from __GI_abort() from g_assertion_message() from g_assertion_message_expr() from meta_window_get_workspaces() [assertion failure "code should not be reached"]" [Medium,Fix committed]14:58
Wimpresstjaalton: Please forward me the RT details via email, and I'll see what I can do.14:58
seb128Wimpress, thx14:58
seb128ok, let's call it a wrap, those discussions can continue post meeting14:58
seb128thanks team!14:58
seb128#endmeeting14:58
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Feb  4 14:58:30 2020 UTC.14:58
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-02-04-14.31.moin.txt14:58
oSoMoNthanks14:58
kenvandinethanks14:58
didrocksthx!14:58
tjaaltonWimpress: it's #123981, is that enough?14:58
marcustomlinsonthanks14:58
seb128Laney, speaking of SRU, the new glib/eoan SRU is still having unhappy i386 tests :-(14:58
didrocksWimpress: seb128: also, if you can get more detailed on a ETA on security review for zsys, that would be great. FF is approaching and no movement still14:59
tjaaltonseb128: but I think we should just badtest that one, s390x is the only big-endian arch we have14:59
seb128didrocks, @openjpeg, looks like recent nagers have been for imagemagick which is a foundation package :)14:59
Wimpresstjaalton: Thanks.14:59
LaneyTrevinho: don't wait forever, also it's OK if it's not a regression14:59
seb128tjaalton, talk to Laney, he wanted to see some evidence/understanding of the problem before skipping the test14:59
tjaaltonseb128: I've pushed mesa 20.0-rc1 to experimental and enabled build-time tests, to see where they fail and how15:00
didrocksseb128: I think it's not part of the MIR team to decide that, so I will let you and foundation discuss, but we need a team subscriber15:00
tjaaltonwell, this should verify if llvmpipe tests fail on all BE archs15:00
seb128didrocks, sure, I'm adding desktop for now, we can still trade/argue with them later15:00
didrocksyep :p15:00
Wimpresstjaalton: Have you spoken to xnox about s390?15:00
seb128didrocks, done15:00
WimpressHe maybe able to assist.15:01
didrocksbut ofc security review still, so not close to be done15:01
didrocksthanks seb12815:01
Wimpressdidrocks: Has the zsys MIR review happened?15:01
didrocksWimpress: it was started said the card, but no result, no movement15:01
didrockson the security side15:01
didrockshence my request :p15:01
WimpressOK, added to my list of things to chase again.15:01
didrocksthx15:01
tjaaltonWimpress: yes15:02
didrocksWimpress: FTR, the security review was requested last August :p15:02
WimpressI know.15:02
Laneyseb128: will look into that i386 thing tomorrow probably15:13
Laneyforgot about it so thx for the reminder15:14
Laneylaney@nightingale> openssl s_client -connect appstream.ubuntu.com:443 </dev/null 2>|/dev/null | openssl x509 -text | grep -A 1 'Subject Alternative Name'                                                                         ~15:16
Laney            X509v3 Subject Alternative Name:15:16
Laney                DNS:appstream.ubuntu.com15:16
Laneycan haz ssl15:16
LaneyIS gently spanked me for not having it set up15:16
diddledanI see your SSL and raise you a TLS15:16
LaneyYOLO: FOMO: LMAO!15:17
diddledanso, I managed to figure out what is happening with my stack overflow in Xorg, though not how to fix it or whether it is actually broken - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DFzpnysmfd/ `driBindContext` calls through to `dri2_drawable_get_buffers` which then calls Xorg's (not mesa's for some reason?) `dri2GetBuffersWithFormat` which then recalls15:44
diddledan`driBindContext` (it thinks the context is changed by `DRI2GetBuffersWithFormat` so it tries to reset the context and recall `DRI2GetBuffersWithFormat`) and the recursion continues until stack overflow15:44
diddledantjaalton, possibly something you can help me with?15:44
diddledanreference for the offending logic that causes the recursion: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/blob/master/glx/glxdri2.c#L71015:45
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ricotzseb128, I guess syncing gexiv2 is possible now16:56
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tjaaltondiddledan: best to file upstream19:30
diddledanthanks, tjaalton, I've filed it under Mesa, though I'm not sure whether it is Mesa or Xserver that the issue lies within: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/issues/246920:30
gitbotMesa issue 2469 in mesa "Infinite recursion with xserver and Indirect GLX (specific to a single third-party library)" [Opened]20:30
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robert_ancellseb128, do you know of an i386/budgie issue? Seems to be breaking the g-c-c autopkg tests.20:43
robert_ancellaha, we don't seem to build for i386 g-c-c in focal, perhaps that's the issue.20:44
seb128robert_ancell, ask vorlon about it, I think it's a valid one to declare invalid on i38621:50
seb128but Steve is the one who knows how to handle those21:51
robert_ancellseb128, thanks21:51

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