=== pieq_ is now known as pieq === Tm_K is now known as Tm_T [07:20] good morning desktoppers [07:22] good morning [07:27] Morning oSoMoN and didrocks [07:27] and jibel [07:28] hey duflu [07:34] salut didrocks [07:34] hey duflu [07:34] salut jibel [07:38] salut oSoMoN [08:12] Hi all [08:13] Hi jibel [08:19] hey jibel [08:28] goooood morning desktopers [08:28] Trevinho, jamesh, oSoMoN, weekly discourse summary! [08:29] thanks for the reminder [08:29] np :) [08:29] Morning seb128 [08:29] jamesh, weekly reminder aside, how are you doing? ;) [08:29] hey duflu, how are you today? [08:30] seb128, OK. I can build things again, thanks to Laney. How are you? [08:30] I'm good thx! [08:30] salut seb128 [08:30] I hope you didn't waste too much time after uninstalling your systems with proposed [08:30] lut didrocks, en forme ? [08:31] seb128: good. It feels like I've almost got a branch I started 1.5 years ago unblocked, and should be able to progress and get it landed [08:33] I've also been experimenting with home brewing kombucha: started with a bottle from the supermarket, and have a decent culture growing after a bit over a week [08:34] seb128: ça va, et toi ? [08:35] jamesh, ah, nice for the branch, is that for dbus activation? [08:36] seb128: this is daemons running under the user mode instance of systemd, which is a prerequisite for dbus activation [08:36] jamesh, I didn't know about kombucha, I just googled it, sounds interesting as a drink :p [08:36] jamesh, ah! is that going in the snap source or is that a new component? [08:37] seb128: part of snapd. This is a prereq for dbus activation on the session bus, since they want to be able to control lifetime of long running services [08:37] seb128, it cost me an hour or two to rebuild the focal system from scratch. Just kept the same home [08:37] e.g. kill service on snap removal, maybe restart on upgrade, etc [08:39] for the kombucha, I started with a 300mL bottle from the store plus ~ 2 L of extra tea, and have culture about 2 mm thick floating on the top after a week [08:39] duflu, k, sorry that focal failed you that well, good to see that it got sorted out quickly at the end though [08:44] jamesh, I wonder if we can find kombucha here, I never saw the name before [08:44] morning desktoppers [08:44] is it popular in Australia? [08:44] hey marcustomlinson, how are you? [08:44] seb128: good thanks, you? [08:44] seb128: I think it is growing in popularity as an import of US culture (TV, social media, etc). There are a few brands distributed in the big supermarkets [08:46] marcustomlinson, I'm good thanks! [08:49] hey jamesh long time [08:50] hi marcustomlinson [08:50] jamesh: you well? [08:51] yep. No bush fires in sight :-) [08:52] good to hear [08:54] Morning marcustomlinson [08:55] hey duflu, how's it going? [08:55] marcustomlinson, so so. You? [08:55] I guess a notch above so so [08:55] why only so so? [08:56] tuesday blues? [08:57] marcustomlinson, just reiterating old branches to satisfy upstream blues [08:58] ah those blues :P [08:58] well good luck man [09:02] hey [09:03] hey marcustomlinson, Laney [09:09] Morning Laney [09:10] hey Laney, how are you today? [09:12] hey didrocks duflu seb128 [09:13] seb128, done, and sorry for the late update [09:14] oSoMoN, hey, no worry, thx! [09:14] oSoMoN, how are you? made it back without issue? how is the baby/cold going? [09:15] seb128, travelling back was uneventful, and the cold is not fully gone but everyone feels much better, so things are going in the right direction [09:16] improvement :) [09:16] seb128: doing alright [09:17] want spring now, bored of cold [09:17] what about you? [09:17] hey oSoMoN [09:18] hey Laney didrocks oSoMoN [09:18] spring would be nice! I saw the news on TV yesterday about south of France and how they have like 23°C atm [09:18] * seb128 wants that [09:18] it's freezing cold here this morning (would be better without the wind...) [09:19] 😱 [09:19] the wind is a grumpy old bastard [09:20] first couple of daffodils have come up in the garden though [09:20] going in the right direction [09:20] Ugh, we hit 43 or 44 today depending which suburb you are in [09:20] eek [09:23] hey Laney, marcustomlinson [09:23] good morning desktopers [09:23] good morning ricotz [09:26] it was 19°C yesterday here [09:26] hey ricotz [09:38] hey oSoMoN didrocks seb128 marcustomlinson duflu [09:38] hey Laney [09:38] Hi ricotz [09:39] moin ricotz [09:39] did GNOME changed their process/started to stop building release tarballs? [09:39] how's it going? [09:39] no [09:40] lots missing? [09:41] https://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/file-roller/3.35/ doesn't have .90 which we have/jbicha uploaded to Debian [09:42] same for https://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/nautilus/3.35/ but .90 was tagged on friday [09:42] same https://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-control-center/3.35/ (where [09:42] .90 was uploaded by Robert o focal) [09:42] or maybe just that ftp is outdated and I'm looking at the wrong place? [09:43] https://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-control-center/3.35/gnome-control-center-3.35.90.tar.xz [09:43] that's a "yes" to my previous question :) [09:43] indeed, that server is the one linked from the ftp mails I think [09:44] I'm not sure that ftp.gnome.org is meant to be out of date though [09:44] would suggest asking in #sysadmin [09:44] right, just saw that, I've been using ftp.gnome.org for ever ... I will ask there [09:45] Your tarball will appear in the following location on ftp.gnome.org: [09:45] https://download.gnome.org/sources/vala/0.47/ [09:45] haha ^ [09:46] output of "ftpadmin install ..." [09:46] I've asked on #sysadmin, let's see [09:47] covering all bases :> [09:49] seb128, you should *not* use anything that is not download.gnome.org [09:49] ftp.gnome.org is not maintained by GNOME and left as is for backwards compatility [09:50] compatibility even [09:50] k, that's clear [09:50] TIL [09:50] * seb128 updates his bookmarks (& versions' source) [11:23] Hello, I need help. There were issues with drivers of video adapter [GeForce GTX 550 Ti]. After the system upgrade I have incorrect screen resolution. I can't set this because `nvidia-driver-390` does not work properly. How I can resolve this problem? === fidencio_ is now known as fidencio [13:22] cking: hey! Small question around a zfs patch. We are hit by bug https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/issues/9381 which prevents us to list any history in the grub menu. We saw 2 patches that entered 0.8.3 and in particular https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/commit/5a1bf9e8b17f8414d7bd30a833d4d2a26a1851a6. This one is in the 0.8.3-1ubuntu1. However, picking it from -proposed doesn’t work. I [13:22] zfsonlinux issue 9381 in zfs "Automount fails when accessing snapshots for root filesystem" [Type: Defect, Closed] [13:22] wonder as we don’t use a dkms module but a regular module if you copy the code to ther kernel and we need a newer kernel as well? [13:26] (my guess and hope is that we are still running our tests with the old kernel having the unpatched zfs module copy) [13:43] cking: ok, got it. Installed new kernel from -proposed which was built against the new zfs version and we can now see the snapshots content on root :) [14:20] good morning desktopers! [14:20] good morning [14:20] good morning hellsworth, kenvandine [14:21] hi oSoMoN and kenvandine :) [14:22] morning hellsworth and kenvandine [14:23] hi marcustomlinson ! [14:27] seb128: mind subscribing desktop-packages to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjpeg2? [14:30] didrocks, ah, movement there after years, are we the only ones needing it? (just wonder if it needs to fall on us only) [14:30] also meeting time [14:30] seb128: apparently, we are the only ones, indeed [14:31] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 [14:31] Meeting started Tue Feb 4 14:31:20 2020 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [14:31] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: [14:31] Roll call: didrocks, duflu (out), heather, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney (out), marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) [14:31] o/ [14:31] \o [14:31] \o [14:31] o/ [14:32] hey again [14:32] \o [14:32] good, seems like we have quite some people around :) [14:32] let's get started then [14:32] #topic rls-bb-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: rls-bb-bug [14:33] no desktop item [14:33] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:34] only n-m there than we still didn't sort out [14:34] #topic rls-dd-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: rls-dd-bug [14:34] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-dd-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:34] no d! [14:34] oh right! [14:35] oh, uh, indeed [14:35] #topic rls-ee-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: rls-ee-bug [14:35] thx :) [14:35] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:35] no desktop item [14:35] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:35] n-m is the only unassigned which isn't fix commited [14:35] #topic rls-ff-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: rls-ff-bug [14:36] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html [14:36] bug #1861481 [14:36] bug 1861481 in accountsservice (Ubuntu) "language-options causes live CD sessions to be untranslated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861481 [14:36] that's a bug leading to the live session not showing translated on some flavors with some locales [14:37] I would vote -1 for rls tracking since it's not impacting Ubuntu Desktop itself and only live session/with some locales [14:37] doesn't seem rls for our team but you tagged it so maybe can explain why [14:37] Gunnar is looking at it and hopefully he gets it fixed though [14:37] nod [14:38] I think I did that at fosdem because I didn't read properly and though at the time it impact out live session :p [14:38] sorry for the noise [14:38] tagging -notfixing now [14:39] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:39] sorry [14:39] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html [14:39] that seems buggy? [14:39] hmm [14:39] yeah looks odd [14:40] no bugs \o/ [14:40] haha [14:40] I will ping Brian about it, but let's skip that one for now then [14:41] #topic champagne bugs? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: champagne bugs? [14:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=champagne&orderby=-id&start=0 [14:41] it's still unclear to me how those are supposed to be handled and I feel like that needs to be sorted out before we team review them [14:42] I've also tried to at least triage them as them come during the week [14:43] o/ [14:43] hey Wimpress [14:44] Wimpress, do you want to weight in about the champagne bugs thing? === jdstrand_ is now known as jdstrand [14:44] unsure what we are expected to be doing there [14:44] should we review our set only as we do for other bugs? [14:44] is the goal to triage and milestone/discard as we do for rls? [14:45] Well, this is new ground. So I think we get to decide how we process this stuff. [14:46] I made a proposal in an email but didn't get any feedback on it. [14:46] I think it would be good to update which packages are affecvted if that information is not correct. [14:46] Oh! [14:46] * Wimpress looks at email... [14:46] It'll probably be buried [14:46] let's do that post meeting? doesn't feel like something we should block the team on atm [14:47] But it's basically to treat it like rls-ff-incoming [14:47] (1) we already have a process to handle that, and (2) it means the bugs go to the right teams [14:47] yes good idea [14:47] also as said I triaged the curent list so we don't really have a backlog to deal with, unless we want to do +1/-1 voting [14:47] +1 on Laney's proposal [14:47] +1 [14:47] +1 [14:48] +1 [14:48] Perhaps tag as rls-ff-incoming as appropriate too [14:48] good, let's follow up with Brian/other teams then [14:48] Yep [14:48] seems we are voting, so +1 :p [14:48] Wimpress, let's discuss it in our hangout a bit later? [14:48] I was thinking modify the report to look at that tag [14:48] yes ok [14:48] OK [14:48] k, sounds like enough for the topic for now then [14:48] thx [14:48] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:48] those LP lists of bugs aren't the best - the script's view is nicer I think [14:48] indeed [14:49] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [14:49] Laney, want to do that one this week or should I do it again since I've been keeping an eye on things recently? [14:49] seb128: probably you have a better view on this atm [14:49] k [14:49] I just know that python3 is screwing everything this time [14:49] archive breakage of the week [14:49] so lot of python3-defaults blocked items there [14:50] Do we need any additional info from other teams to unblock that stuff Laney? [14:50] a stack of gobject-introspection issues that are going to clear off now that L_aney landed a fixed version and that gcc has been fixed (need retries with right triggers which I'm doing) [14:50] tjaalton, are we making any progress on openscad/s390x? [14:51] I debugged the network-manager one and upstream has a PR fix up for review which I tested/is working so I expect that to clear off this week [14:51] marcustomlinson: wasn't a new libreoffice uploaded to proposed? [14:51] e-d-s regressed on i386 due to an upload not pushed that got reverted, will be fixed [14:52] libreoffice had an out-of-space issue crop up during the python3.8 rebuild that's fixed now AND looks like yesterdays build issue with g-i is fixed too, so hopefully that'll unblock a bit [14:52] and I think that's basically it [14:52] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-04 | Current topic: AOB [14:52] any other topic? [14:53] Wimpress: proposed? not in particular I don't think [14:53] nothing for me [14:53] Nothing else from me. [14:54] Just to say we had a catch up with the Yaru team last night. [14:54] k, just a reminder that ff is approching then [14:54] All good there. [14:54] In shape for 20.04. [14:54] planning a release soon? [14:54] Need to merge some upstream changes, then I think so. [14:54] speaking of [14:55] it looks like we didn't land much feature work yet so probably a good time to increase focus on getting things lined up [14:55] Trevinho: some gnome-shell/mutter verification still to do fyi [14:55] Trevinho, and please start or 3.35.90 whenever you can [14:55] ack [14:55] I will do some of the apps/initial setup/etc in the next days [14:56] seb128: no, I'm not able to launch a s390x instance on canonistack, filed an issue but it's still open [14:57] Wimpress, ^ are you maybe able to raise priority of that RT in the queue? [14:57] Laney: as per the SRU I'm waiting on feedback though (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1845281/comments/18) [14:58] Ubuntu bug 1845281 in mutter (Ubuntu Eoan) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in __GI_raise() from __GI_abort() from g_assertion_message() from g_assertion_message_expr() from meta_window_get_workspaces() [assertion failure "code should not be reached"]" [Medium,Fix committed] [14:58] tjaalton: Please forward me the RT details via email, and I'll see what I can do. [14:58] Wimpress, thx [14:58] ok, let's call it a wrap, those discussions can continue post meeting [14:58] thanks team! [14:58] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc [14:58] Meeting ended Tue Feb 4 14:58:30 2020 UTC. [14:58] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-02-04-14.31.moin.txt [14:58] thanks [14:58] thanks [14:58] thx! [14:58] Wimpress: it's #123981, is that enough? [14:58] thanks [14:58] Laney, speaking of SRU, the new glib/eoan SRU is still having unhappy i386 tests :-( [14:59] Wimpress: seb128: also, if you can get more detailed on a ETA on security review for zsys, that would be great. FF is approaching and no movement still [14:59] seb128: but I think we should just badtest that one, s390x is the only big-endian arch we have [14:59] didrocks, @openjpeg, looks like recent nagers have been for imagemagick which is a foundation package :) [14:59] tjaalton: Thanks. [14:59] Trevinho: don't wait forever, also it's OK if it's not a regression [14:59] tjaalton, talk to Laney, he wanted to see some evidence/understanding of the problem before skipping the test [15:00] seb128: I've pushed mesa 20.0-rc1 to experimental and enabled build-time tests, to see where they fail and how [15:00] seb128: I think it's not part of the MIR team to decide that, so I will let you and foundation discuss, but we need a team subscriber [15:00] well, this should verify if llvmpipe tests fail on all BE archs [15:00] didrocks, sure, I'm adding desktop for now, we can still trade/argue with them later [15:00] yep :p [15:00] tjaalton: Have you spoken to xnox about s390? [15:00] didrocks, done [15:01] He maybe able to assist. [15:01] but ofc security review still, so not close to be done [15:01] thanks seb128 [15:01] didrocks: Has the zsys MIR review happened? [15:01] Wimpress: it was started said the card, but no result, no movement [15:01] on the security side [15:01] hence my request :p [15:01] OK, added to my list of things to chase again. [15:01] thx [15:02] Wimpress: yes [15:02] Wimpress: FTR, the security review was requested last August :p [15:02] I know. [15:13] seb128: will look into that i386 thing tomorrow probably [15:14] forgot about it so thx for the reminder [15:16] laney@nightingale> openssl s_client -connect appstream.ubuntu.com:443 |/dev/null | openssl x509 -text | grep -A 1 'Subject Alternative Name' ~ [15:16] X509v3 Subject Alternative Name: [15:16] DNS:appstream.ubuntu.com [15:16] can haz ssl [15:16] IS gently spanked me for not having it set up [15:16] I see your SSL and raise you a TLS [15:17] YOLO: FOMO: LMAO! [15:44] so, I managed to figure out what is happening with my stack overflow in Xorg, though not how to fix it or whether it is actually broken - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DFzpnysmfd/ `driBindContext` calls through to `dri2_drawable_get_buffers` which then calls Xorg's (not mesa's for some reason?) `dri2GetBuffersWithFormat` which then recalls [15:44] `driBindContext` (it thinks the context is changed by `DRI2GetBuffersWithFormat` so it tries to reset the context and recall `DRI2GetBuffersWithFormat`) and the recursion continues until stack overflow [15:44] tjaalton, possibly something you can help me with? [15:45] reference for the offending logic that causes the recursion: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/blob/master/glx/glxdri2.c#L710 === ijohnson is now known as ijohnson|lunchd === ijohnson|lunchd is now known as ijohnson|lunch [16:56] seb128, I guess syncing gexiv2 is possible now === ijohnson|lunch is now known as ijohnson [19:30] diddledan: best to file upstream [20:30] thanks, tjaalton, I've filed it under Mesa, though I'm not sure whether it is Mesa or Xserver that the issue lies within: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/issues/2469 [20:30] Mesa issue 2469 in mesa "Infinite recursion with xserver and Indirect GLX (specific to a single third-party library)" [Opened] === sergiusens_ is now known as sergiusens [20:43] seb128, do you know of an i386/budgie issue? Seems to be breaking the g-c-c autopkg tests. [20:44] aha, we don't seem to build for i386 g-c-c in focal, perhaps that's the issue. [21:50] robert_ancell, ask vorlon about it, I think it's a valid one to declare invalid on i386 [21:51] but Steve is the one who knows how to handle those [21:51] seb128, thanks