[00:02] <oerheks> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/ gives basicly all you need, #launchpad channel for user questions, #launchpad-dev for development
[00:04] <mindofmateo> My laptop on 18.04 won't wake after going to sleep.  The led shows it is still "on" but I can't turn the keyboard backlight on or off, and plugging my phone into the USB port doesn't trigger the "Would you like to give access to this device?" message, it only charges at a very low voltage.  Is there anything I can try to recover?
[00:05] <mindofmateo> As far as I can tell the screen is off, as in, the display is not even powered on.
[00:07] <sarnold> parrotlover: also consider ubuntu core and snaps; they're designed around doing this kind of bespoke hardware uspport
[00:07] <sarnold> robertparkerx: welcomeback, any luck?
[00:07] <sarnold> robertparkerx: I don't see anything wrong with the screenshot you sent :/
[00:10] <parrotlover> I also need to ship software with
[00:10] <parrotlover> with features to use this coprocessor card instead of CPU or CUDA, which it was designed to replace completely
[00:11] <parrotlover> like all the AI/ML frameworks need to be available with added support for my hardware so people can get software that uses the coprocessors instead of CPU, CUDA, or TPU
[00:12] <parrotlover> i have them packaged, i made all the packages, just need to host them all
[00:15] <sarnold> parrotlover: aha, so it's a bit late to look at doing your own branded snapstore, hehe
[00:15] <parrotlover> sarnold, I just do things on impulse while manic or high and it always works out and makes big money... I've mastered the art of pulling off completely insane
[00:16] <parrotlover> I have no idea how I run successful businesses, but I do
[00:18] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://share.getcloudapp.com/eDu9dqNj
[00:18] <parrotlover> I do hope those torrents are legally distributable content if you're on a linode node
[00:18] <robertparkerx> vultr and they are
[00:18] <robertparkerx> This is personal
[00:19] <robertparkerx> This is a personal server
[00:19] <sarnold> parrotlover: hahaha, that's awesome :D
[00:19] <parrotlover> I use torrents too, but I don't pirate with them, I use them to share things with low bandwidth usage on the server
[00:20] <sarnold> robertparkerx: what's in journalctl when you try to start the rtorrent service?
[00:20] <parrotlover> like custom linux ISOs, data sets from academic sources for AI work... anything that I am hosting on a low budget system or vps, I use torrents and offer an option which I ask not to use for direct download
[00:20] <parrotlover> I don't do it really that much, but sometimes, every couple months maybe
[00:21] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://share.getcloudapp.com/Jru7rdzq
[00:21] <parrotlover> My friend started torrenting a album of music on my nanode and I lost it on him and made him promise nothing illegal until I start hosting a server for him at home where I don't care
[00:23] <robertparkerx> I notice now lot of failed password for root.
[00:24] <sarnold> robertparkerx: if it's an sshd live on the internet, there's *constant* username/password guessing attempts
[00:24] <sarnold> robertparkerx: OH. I think I heard %h was *removed*
[00:24] <sarnold> robertparkerx: try changing WorkingDirectory=/home/rtorrent/   instead
[00:26] <robertparkerx> I think that worked
[00:26] <robertparkerx> I had to systemctl daemon-reload
[00:28] <robertparkerx> I don't see rtorrent in ps aux
[00:28] <sarnold> journalctl again?
[00:28] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://share.getcloudapp.com/8LuwLRJA
[00:29] <sarnold> robertparkerx: heh, the root login attempts pushed the useful stuff off screen
[00:30] <robertparkerx> wait
[00:31] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://share.getcloudapp.com/2NurNg5q
[00:31] <robertparkerx> This is right above it
[00:32] <barg> hi, i plugged a usb stick into my laptop and it is not recognizing it
[00:34] <robertparkerx>  killall[1365]: /usr/bin/rtorrent: no process found
[00:34] <barg> i tried lsusb but it still isn't showing when i look at file manager
[00:34] <sarnold> robertparkerx: if you use sudo -u rtorrent -s   to start a shell, then run cd /home/rtorrent ; /usr/bin/screen -d -m -fa -S rtorrent /usr/bin/rtorrent   does screen seem to run okay?
[00:35] <sarnold> barg: does anything show in dmesg?
[00:35] <barg> sarnold: yes! sdc1
[00:35] <barg> i will experiment with mount
[00:36] <oerheks> barg, what filesystem, exfat?
[00:36] <barg> yes
[00:37] <robertparkerx> sarnold killall[1321]: /usr/bin/rtorrent: no process found
[00:37] <oerheks> then you need exfat-fuse and exfat-utils, and restart nautilus
[00:37] <robertparkerx> The process /usr/bin/screen could not be executed and failed
[00:37] <sarnold> robertparkerx: don't worry about killing the thing just yet :) you have to figure out why it isn't starting first..
[00:37] <barg> thanks i'll look into that
[00:38] <robertparkerx> Those are the errors I see sorry sarnold
[00:38] <sarnold> robertparkerx: alright how about just this then? sudo -u rtorrent -s   to start a shell, then run cd /home/rtorrent ; /usr/bin/screen -d -m -fa -S rtorrent bash
[00:40] <robertparkerx> nothing
[00:43] <sarnold> robertparkerx: "nothing" as in the bash worked perfectly? or "nothing" as in "it failed"?
[00:43] <robertparkerx> I don't know. Nothing happened.
[00:46] <robertparkerx> wait
[00:46] <robertparkerx> I see three of these in ps aux
[00:46] <robertparkerx> 4
[00:46] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://share.getcloudapp.com/eDu9dmng
[00:46] <thenori> Do y'all know a way to remount a ro root partition as rw without a reboot?
[00:47] <sarnold> thenori: remount -orw,remount may do it
[00:47] <thenori> sudo mount -n -o remount,rw /dev/sda6 doesn't work for some reason
[00:47] <oerheks> sudo mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point
[00:48] <sarnold> robertparkerx: oh good now you've got a few of those to kill :) "killall SCREEN" *might* do it
[00:48] <robertparkerx> yeah I killed 3 of them
[00:48] <robertparkerx> Should I kill the other too?
[00:49] <thenori> while you're at it, is there a faster way to check ro/rw than refreshing gparted? actually I could just try to copy something right
[00:50] <thenori> yeah I guess 'touch test' works just fine
[00:50] <thenori> tyvm
[00:57] <sarnold> robertparkerx: yeah kill all those screen/bash sessions :)
[00:57] <robertparkerx> done
[01:02] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://termbin.com/aeb0
[01:03] <sarnold> robertparkerx: alright, try this series of steps again: sudo -u rtorrent -s   to start a shell, then run cd /home/rtorrent ; /usr/bin/screen -d -m -fa -S rtorrent bash
[01:03] <sarnold> robertparkerx: then try 'screen -RAD' and see if you attach screen to that session or not
[01:05] <robertparkerx> sarnold I'm looking at a blank screen now
[01:05] <robertparkerx> just with a prompt in the middle
[01:07] <sarnold> robertparkerx: alright, try: echo $$  ; ps auxw | grep   <whatever number you got from the previous command>
[01:08] <robertparkerx> sarnold I don't understand what number you're talking about.
[01:08] <sarnold> robertparkerx: echo $$ shows the current shell pid
[01:09] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://termbin.com/r1ek
[01:10] <sarnold> humph. I was hoping to see the screen i nthe thing. oh well. try pstree -h and see if your shell really looks like it's running inside screen?
[01:11] <robertparkerx> sarnold https://share.getcloudapp.com/E0uEkG54
[01:11] <robertparkerx> it says "screen bash pstree"
[01:12] <sarnold> robertparkerx: cool cool; so, next step, lets try rtorrent :) run /usr/bin/rtorrent
[01:13] <robertparkerx> rtorrent: Error in option file: ~/.rtorrent.rc:13: Command "peer_exchange" does not exist.
[01:14] <sarnold> YAY
[01:14] <sarnold> finally
[01:14] <robertparkerx> https://termbin.com/j2bh
[01:14] <robertparkerx> this is my rc
[01:14] <robertparkerx> should I not have 'no'
[01:15] <sarnold> I'd try just commenting that line out
[01:18] <robertparkerx> wow this config was bad
[01:18] <robertparkerx> I got another error
[01:19] <robertparkerx> HAHAHAHA it's working!
[01:20] <robertparkerx> sarnold, you're the best!
[01:20] <robertparkerx> Thank you for taking the time with me to figure it out.
[01:20] <robertparkerx> I truly appreciate it.
[01:20] <sarnold> robertparkerx: whoohoo!
[01:21] <robertparkerx> now I have to figure out flood
[01:21] <robertparkerx> I'll do that later though
[01:25] <sarnold> yikes, that starts with "run this shell script as root"
[01:25] <sarnold> I hate those
[01:28] <robertparkerx> It seems those config settings were just deprecated https://github.com/rakshasa/rtorrent/wiki/rTorrent-0.9-Comprehensive-Command-list-(WIP)
[01:30] <sarnold> cripes that's a lot of things removed
[01:30] <robertparkerx> It would have been nice to see those errors from the start
[01:30] <sarnold> no kidding
[01:31] <sarnold> it'd be nice to have a real torrent daemon rather than "well you can kinda run this torrent client in screen"
[01:33] <oerheks> install the transmission webgui thingy ..
[01:52] <nshire> how does known-hosts work? will the fingerprint itself change if the ip changes?
[01:52] <nshire> trying to figure out why I'm getting a fingerprint error
[01:53] <crablab> no. but if the IP address changes it won't have a fingerprint associated with it
[01:54] <crablab> it sounds like the IP address may have changed to something that you already had in your known-hosts. that or you are getting MITM'd
[01:57] <nshire> I'm on LAN which is why I'm confused
[01:58] <nshire> I'm looking at known_hosts and I don't see any entries that have an IP associated with them
[01:58] <crablab> Is the IP you're getting an error for on the LAN?
[01:58] <nshire> yes
[01:59] <nshire> it's been assigned a static private IP for a year and I *think* I've connected to it that way before
[01:59] <nshire> is there a way to try logging in without checking it against the ip?
[01:59] <nshire> just see if the fingerprint matches anything in known hosts
[02:00] <robertparkerx> has anyone used flood with rtorrent? I have the process running but I cannot connect. 'err_connection_refused' this site can't be reached
[02:00] <crablab> well you can just delete the offending record
[02:00] <nshire> crablab, idk which one is valid
[02:00] <nshire> I'm trying to verify that the server hasn't been changed somehow
[02:02] <crablab> I think ssh-keyscan is what you want :)
[02:05] <nshire> looking into it
[02:05] <nshire> thx crab
[02:06] <openface> how can i set UTC to local
[02:06] <openface> etc?
[02:08] <crablab> Settings
[02:08] <crablab> openface
[02:08] <Jakethepython> hey room has anyone had problems w/ dell dockign stations? mine won't let me run any USB through it
[02:30] <cgi> has anyone here used fpm to build a deb file?
[02:33] <oerheks> fpm is not in our repos, one could use ruby for that https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-fpm-to-easily-create-packages-in-multiple-formats
[02:34] <parrotlover> I use checkinstall to build packages because I don't care about being proper and conforming when I just need to share packages I develop or build from source... Like, I need to make a proper package for my kernel with custom modules for custom new hardware, but I don't think checkinstall will update grub and initramfs and such
[02:35] <parrotlover> checkinstall is great for installing from source, but isn't proper for making packages to distribute, as you mostly all already know
[02:36] <sarnold> I think I recently learned checkinstall fails badly if there's a symlink in the 'package'
[02:37] <cgi> looking at checkinstall
[02:38] <parrotlover> sarnold, I have known for a long time that installing packages in ways other than the package manager can break your install in a way that is so time consuming to track down and successfully recover from that I keep a seperate home partition and when I do something that causes such a state I do a fresh install keeping the old /home folder
[02:39] <parrotlover> If you try to install newer or older versions of software over top of ubuntu's packages, and the package manager can't maintain the package the package manager can under many conditions refuse to do anything with no way to fix it besides manually undoing everything you did
[02:39] <sarnold> heh, I haven't screwed up a system that bad for over two decades..
[02:39] <parrotlover> Ubuntu is great if you just want easy install and setup and the best repo package selection around, but trying to modify upgrade, or replace things it depends on without the package manager can break things
[02:39] <parrotlover> I love Ubuntu, I'm not complaining, just pointing this out
[02:43] <cgi> checkinstall needs sudo - wish it would do that without installing and just give me a deb file to install
[02:44] <parrotlover> Well, you can always be stupid and run everything as root
[02:44] <parrotlover> kek
[02:46] <cgi> parrotlover, checkinstall gives this error: mv: cannot move '/usr/sbin/nginx' to '/usr/sbin/nginx.old': Permission denied
[02:47] <parrotlover> cgi, use sudo, and try again. if still an issue, I'm not sure what you should do
[02:48] <sarnold> apt purge nginx before trying to install the new version?
[02:58] <cgi> sarnold, thanks
[03:02] <Slyw> Evening. Anyone have a moment for a stumper?
[03:03] <Slyw> What might be tying up permissions on a folder that would supercede the traditional chmod settings?
[03:04] <Slyw> I have a folder that reads 755 but even as root I cannot change it to anything nor can I browse the contents
[03:05] <sarnold> Slyw: apparmor or selinux or other MAC system; seccomp controls to prohibit syscalls for enumerating directory contents; hardware error or filesystem corruption
[03:06] <sarnold> Slyw: what errors do you get? do you see anything in dmesg or /var/log/audit/audit.log (if you have auditd installed)
[03:06] <Slyw> don't have auditd installed ... and no error other than Operation not permitted
[03:06] <Slyw> don't believe I have selinux or apparmor installed (at least not intentionally)
[03:07] <Slyw> I didn't think filesystem corruption (because I am blindly optomistic that I am not going to lose my music collection)
[03:08] <sarnold> all ubuntu users have apparmor installed by default
[03:10] <Slyw> ah, okay.. let me have a looksee
[03:19] <robertparkerx> Has anyone used flood with rtorrent? I have rtorrent installed and the process is running. I installed flood and the process is runnning but stops. I get connection refused in the browser when ps aux shows it running.
[03:21] <Slyw> sarnold - alas, got auditd installed and no messages when I chmod or sudo chmod - both return Operation not permitted
[03:21] <Slyw> I am leaning toward filesystem failure
[03:21] <Slyw> better get to backing up
[03:22] <sarnold> Slyw: how about dmesg?
[03:25] <Slyw> nothing obvious (to me) ... audit type=1305 but am uncertain if that is my chmod effort
[03:26] <sarnold> it sure could be
[03:26] <sarnold> dmesg | grep DENIED would be most illuminating
[03:27] <Slyw> operation="open" profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" ...
[03:31] <sarnold> and comm=? does it show the denials are your mysql server? or your shell?
[03:32] <Slyw> sorry sarnold - comm="mysqld"
[03:33] <sarnold> so if your mysql server can't access something, now you know why :)
[03:33] <sarnold> if it's something else, well, you'll have to keep digging
[03:34] <Slyw> Heh.. indeed. spun up mysql many moons ago for S&G ... haven't messed with it ... I am guessing filesystem. Had corrupt blocks a few years ago... laptop itself is closing in on 10 years old
[03:35] <nshire> anyone familiar with ssh-keyscan? I'm trying to have it compare the key received from a server to some I have on file
[03:36] <nshire> I'm using the -f switch followed by the address and then it says no such file or directory
[03:40] <sarnold> nshire: try an ls -l on the file you told it to open
[03:42] <nshire> rw r r
[03:43] <nshire> sarnold, but the problem is It's getting file not found on the address I'm trying to read from
[03:43] <nshire> I've probably got it wrong
[03:44] <nshirelaptop> ssh-keyscan -t rsa,dsa,ecdsa,ed25519 -f 192.168.1.10 -p 22022 | sort -u - ssh_known_hosts | diff ssh_known_hosts
[03:44] <nshire> and I cded into the /.ssh/ directory beforehand
[03:44] <sarnold> nshire: and what's ls -l 192.168.1.10   ?
[03:45] <nshirelaptop> ls -l 192.168.1.10
[03:45] <nshire> wow wrong window
[03:45] <nshire> ..ignore that
[03:45] <nshire> cannot access, no such file or directory
[03:45] <sarnold> there we go :)
[03:46] <sarnold> where did you put that file?
[03:46] <nshire> that is an ip address
[03:46] <nshire> hrm
[03:47] <nshire> the manpage says to use -f before the address
[03:49] <sarnold> hmm, which release are you on? I'm on focal and it has:
[03:49] <sarnold>      -f file
[03:53] <robertparkerx> I want to say my problem with flood is http:// but I don't know. znc is on https://
[03:53] <robertparkerx> it's listening on port 4000
[03:53] <nshire> maybe I read it wrong
[03:53] <sarnold> robertparkerx: does it show up in sudo ss -tlnp output?
[03:56] <robertparkerx> no it doesn't
[03:56] <robertparkerx> wait
[03:56] <robertparkerx> It's there as 'node'
[03:58] <robertparkerx> I got it
[03:58] <robertparkerx> changed 127.0.0.1 to 0.0.0.0
[03:59] <sarnold> careful, that opens it up to all hosts on the network, not just localhost
[03:59] <robertparkerx> should I use my IP
[03:59] <robertparkerx> I mean the IP of the server
[03:59] <parrotlover> okay, realized that make deb-pkg is a thing\
[04:00] <robertparkerx> Yea that worked
[04:02] <sarnold> robertparkerx: that probably opens it up to everything on the network *except* for localhost
[04:02] <robertparkerx> What if it's a private ip
[04:03] <robertparkerx> it won't run with localhost
[04:03] <sarnold> it's up to you to know what that means and if it's good enough :)
[04:06] <robertparkerx> sudo ss -tlnp has two rtorrent. They're different ports too. I need to enter my rtorrent host and port to flood.
[04:06] <nshire> I found out the source of my SSH problems, I was used to connecting from outside of the network so the address associated with known_hosts was different
[04:06] <robertparkerx> Should I use 127.0.0.1:5000 or 127.0.0.1:50000
[04:07] <robertparkerx> It has two entry for those
[04:08] <sarnold> nshire: aha! yeah that'll give you a new entry message
[04:08] <sarnold> robertparkerx: either's fine
[04:12] <robertparkerx> 5000 worked
[04:12] <robertparkerx> I <3 you guys
[04:16] <sarnold> yay :)
[04:39] <nCoV_fren> I got popped by my ISP last week, for having an old torrent seeding. What was the name of the program that monitors who is sniffing around? I remember there was both a GUI and a version that ran in the Shell. But I remember seeing “ Sony pictures” and “Paramount Studios” being some of the snoopers ... I forget the program
[06:45] <subfj> https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/think-workstations/thinkstation-p-series-towers/ThinkStation-P520/p/33TS3TPP520
[06:45] <subfj> shipping with ubuntu
[07:39] <RonaldsMazitis> hello, I have libreoffice on (k)ubuntu, but there is problem saving files on desktop
[07:40] <RonaldsMazitis> Error saving the document:Object not accessible.The object cannot be accessed due to insufficient user rights.
[07:40] <RonaldsMazitis> I have given 755 for desktop folder
[07:41] <RonaldsMazitis> 777 also does not work
[07:47] <rdz> hey all. I cannot change screen resolution on a Lenovo T490s with Ubuntu 18.04. It seems to be fixed to the native resolution 2560x1440. I had a T470 before where a bunch of modes was available. Is that a hardware thing?
[07:48] <rdz> Not being able to lower screen res on a hidpi is pretty limiting
[07:48] <RonaldsMazitis> xrandr -s
[07:48] <rdz> RonaldsMazitis, XXXxXXXX not found in available modes
[07:48] <RonaldsMazitis> then it's not available
[07:48] <rdz> I tried: xrandr -s  1920x1080
[07:49] <RonaldsMazitis> bad
[07:49] <rdz> RonaldsMazitis, who or what defines what modes are available?
[07:49] <ducasse> rdz: you might be able to add the mode you want
[07:49] <rdz> i can change the resolution of any attached screen, just not of the built-in one
[07:50] <rdz> ducasse, ok.. i'll try
[07:50] <rdz> ducasse, you mean also with xrandr?
[07:50] <ducasse> rdz: calculate it with cvt and add it with xrandr
[07:51] <rdz> ducasse, thanks. i'll try
[07:51] <RonaldsMazitis> 2560x1440 seems so big
[07:51] <ducasse> rdz: you could also try to set scaling
[07:52] <rdz> ducasse, yes., but the grid is way too coars
[07:52] <rdz> 100%, 200%, 300%
[07:53] <rdz> why can't we scale only by full integers?
[07:53] <rdz> that doesn't make sense to me
[07:53] <rdz> 100% looks good tough, with large text enabled in "universal access"
[07:53] <rdz> 200% is way too big
[07:54] <rdz> however, some applications don't deal well with hidpi and it would be much more confortable to use a lower screen res
[07:54] <ducasse> some desktops can scale with fractions, iirc
[07:57] <rdz> ducasse, RonaldsMazitis, amazing. adding a new mode and using it, worked!!
[07:57] <rdz> ducasse, thanks a lot
[07:57] <ducasse> you're very welcome
[07:58] <rdz> i must say i'm pretty happy about this.. i was beginning to think the new hardware wasn't that usable after all..
[07:59] <ducasse> glad you got it sorted :)
[07:59] <RonaldsMazitis> if Your hardware supports such a large res, it can't be bad
[08:25] <mmanta> Hi! What is the best channel for ask questions regarding Ubuntu installation in a laptop?
[08:26] <ducasse> here, probably
[08:29] <mmanta> So I have a new Alienware, and the different guides I tried yesterday don't quite match my BIOS options and it seems I can't boot from the USB with UEFI and I can't see the disks partitions with the RAID0 setting, however, since I would like to have a dual boot installation, I can't make Windows 10 work at the same time. Are these parameters (UEFI
[08:29] <mmanta> and the RAID0) the ones that are really preventing me to install Ubuntu? Are there an install that could work with those parameters?
[08:32] <ducasse> you should be able to install in uefi mode, but you will probably have to switch from raid to ahci. use mdraid if you want raid
[08:34] <ducasse> mmanta: you also need to turn off intel rst, iirc
[08:34] <ducasse> !uefi | mmanta see this
[08:34] <mmanta> ah, I didn't changed that
[09:01] <toffe> Hi guys, I've just did a clean install of ubuntu 19.10 as the previous one was "outdated" and needed upgrade. Doind the upgrade crashed everything so I did a clean install. After the install I always get a lot of "Sorry, ubuntu 19.10 has experienced an internal error" do you guys also see 19.10 as really unstable?
[09:02] <toffe> Also i see "Architecture" is amd64 even though I have I7
[09:02] <toffe> Bootlog: Error 13 permission denied /var/log/boot.log
[09:03] <Triffid_Hunter> toffe: amd64 is correct for modern intel chips, there's a fun bit of history there if you're interested
[09:03] <toffe> Shoot ! :D
[09:03] <EriC^^> toffe: try to press on details to see what the error is about
[09:03] <EriC^^> toffe: there might be some info in /var/crash about them too
[09:04] <toffe> I'll do that on the next, another problem I have which I had in 18.04 and the earlier 19.04 I think. When I login after boot. The login screen appears again. So I have to login minimum two times..
[09:07] <toffe> It was fixed the two - three first reboots then it came back. Really annoying. Also when I start IntelliJ software my two external screens freezes, the laptop screen is on but i cannot click anything. Doing CTRL+ALT+3 opens the terminal going back to tty2 gives the screen again and after a while gnome crashes. Aswell as the "CPU Throttle messages in dmesg I think Ubuntu hates Thinkpad L580!
[09:13] <toffe> https://imgur.com/a/SeFPz0B - Wee here, why is all the throtteling happening :P
[09:32] <wingedrhino> Hi! Does Ubuntu publish official USB images that can be burnt into a USB drive and used straightaway, with something like an initial boot screen where the user sets their username and password? Assuming it'd be a persistent installation.
[09:36] <ducasse> !persistence
[09:40] <EriC^^> wingedrhino: there's the OEM install, but i dont think it's burnt straight away,you'd have to install it first then run something so on the next boot the user sets his username and password
[09:40] <EriC^^> !oeminstall | wingedrhino
[09:41] <EriC^^> i suppose you could install once and then make an image of that to dd to other pc's
[09:42] <wingedrhino> I'll be giving these away to interns who bring their own laptops to work. Any way to ensure that all images have drivers for all popular graphics cards and the like?
[09:43] <wingedrhino> I tried installing Ubuntu Studio 18.04 on a Pavilion 15-ab522tx and it just stayed at the third party drivers stage of the installation process for an hour before I gave up. But the Live USB version just boots fine.
[09:49] <wingedrhino> On that subject, what's a good 32GB or 64GB USB drive to buy for this purpose? Thinking about ordering a whole bunch. Needs to be durable while still somewhat affordable.
[09:50] <wingedrhino> And it sounds like the name of a project already. Ubuntu Dev Bootcamp Edition :D
[10:01] <daedeloth> i broke my digitalocean droplet :(
[10:03] <EriC^^> wingedrhino: i think that's difficult cause many laptops different gpu and it needs a particular driver and sometimes it can need tweaking to get right, but you could put something that runs "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" after they turn it on or so, so that it installs the recommended driver (which may or may not work)
[10:03] <EriC^^> *have different
[10:03] <wingedrhino> there's a command like that? :O
[10:03] <EriC^^> (they'll need an internet connection obviously)
[10:03] <ducasse> daedeloth: if you want help fixing it, please provide details
[10:03] <EriC^^> yeah wingedrhino
[10:03] <wingedrhino> I'll add it to my setup script. Dang!
[10:04] <EriC^^> wingedrhino: you also might need to have some repos enabled, such as multiverse, not sure
[10:04] <daedeloth> ducasse, yea sorry about that :D right after stating my problem i got into grub shell and now i'm trying to see if I can boot from there :)
[10:04] <wingedrhino> EriC^^, already did that in my scripts to setup my own laptop. I just need to add the driver thing at the very end I suppose!
[10:04] <wingedrhino> I didn't realize how painful non-Intel GPUs are to setup
[10:05] <wingedrhino> Until I had to fix a friend's HP with nVidia :x
[10:05] <wingedrhino> (
[10:05] <EriC^^> wingedrhino: seems the nvidia stuff is in the "restricted" repos fwiw
[10:06] <EriC^^> wingedrhino: yeah, sometimes it can need a little work to get running i guess
[10:06] <wingedrhino> And this will _probably_ need to run on those skinny new macbooks.
[10:07] <ducasse> wingedrhino: amd gpus mostly have the right drivers available on a standard install, not true of nvidia
[10:07] <wingedrhino> ducasse, that's good to know! My next laptop might be a Ryzen
[10:09] <ducasse> wingedrhino: certain nvidia gpus need drivers from the graphics-drivers ppa, you might need to take that into account
[10:09] <wingedrhino> ducasse, aah! okay
[10:12] <wingedrhino> ducasse, this one? https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[10:13] <ducasse> yep, that one
[10:14] <wingedrhino> also, does that ubuntu-drivers program have something like an -y option?
[10:15] <wingedrhino> I assume I need to enable that PPA before running that autoinstall command?
[10:15] <EriC^^> i'm not sure it would take the ppa one into consideration
[10:16] <yuradoc> hello. what's wrong here. I did install some very outdated package successfully: "dpkg -i --ignore-depends=python-central xxx.deb", but system stop update with that: Unsatisfied dependencies. Try “apt --fix-broken install” without specifying a package name
[10:16] <ducasse> wingedrhino: no -y option that i know of, but it can create a package list. you could use that to install with apt
[10:16] <yuradoc> when i do "apt --fix-broken install" it removes package
[10:17] <EriC^^> wingedrhino: autoinstall might not ask for confirmation before proceeding too, test and see
[10:17] <wingedrhino> ducasse, guess I'll shove that command at the very end for now!
[10:17] <yuradoc> i don't need fix broken package, course it's work  for me
[10:18] <yuradoc> i need possibility to make apt upgrade
[10:18] <ducasse> yuradoc: you'll just screw up apt if dependencies aren't satisfied
[10:19] <yuradoc> i'm sure with that depandancy. it's very outdated and not supported
[10:20] <ducasse> apt still needs them to be happy
[10:20] <Harm133> Hey guys, is this the correct channel for microstack questions ?
[10:20] <yuradoc> app works without it
[10:20] <ducasse> apt doesn't
[10:21] <yuradoc> can i make apt ignore that package dependancy?
[10:21] <yuradoc> i know what i'm doing
[10:22] <ducasse> no. you could install it outside of apt entirely, though
[10:22] <daedeloth> hm so i am able to chroot into my system from a digitalocean recovery disk
[10:22] <yuradoc> i already did: dpkg -i --ignore-depends=python-central xxx.deb
[10:22] <daedeloth> but now i need to figure out how to fix the boot sequence
[10:22] <yuradoc> it's installed outside apt
[10:23] <ducasse> yuradoc: i mean install from source or similar
[10:23] <yuradoc> hm, so it's not possible?
[10:24] <ducasse> yuradoc: using dpkg will register it in the package database, and apt will require dependencies
[10:24] <EriC^^> daedeloth: after chrooting try "grep efi /etc/fstab" to see if it's uefi or legacy installed
[10:24] <yuradoc> but dpkg has --ignore-depends... that's means someth
[10:25] <yuradoc> and it helps me to get app work
[10:25] <EriC^^> yuradoc: you could modify the status file
[10:25] <EriC^^> and erase the dependencies from Depends:
[10:26] <ducasse> yuradoc: it will only help you install the package, dependencies in the database will still be broken
[10:26] <EriC^^> yuradoc: /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:26] <ducasse> or just unpack the .deb and copy files into place
[10:26] <yuradoc> ok, thanks, i'll check
[10:27] <EriC^^> yuradoc: you could unpack it in /usr/local and add that to your PATH
[10:27] <EriC^^> that way nothing will overwrite it's files or conflict in the future, and apt is happy
[10:27] <ducasse>  /usr/local/bin is in the PATH by default
[10:28] <RonaldsMazitis> I cann
[10:28] <EriC^^> ah right, nice
[10:28] <daedeloth> LABEL=UEFI /boot/efi vfat defaults 0 0
[10:29] <EriC^^> daedeloth: ok so it's using uefi, type "dpkg -l | grep grub"
[10:29] <yuradoc> EriC^^: thank you! I did remove package depandancy here: /var/lib/dpkg/status
[10:29] <EriC^^> daedeloth: also see if the current session is in uefi mode, type "ls /sys/firmware/efi"
[10:29] <yuradoc> now working
[10:29] <daedeloth> no such file or directory
[10:29] <EriC^^> yuradoc: cool, no problem
[10:30] <daedeloth> packages seem to be installed (ii)
[10:30] <EriC^^> daedeloth: ok, so it's booted in legacy mode
[10:30] <EriC^^> daedeloth: that'll hinder you from editing the uefi list of the motherboard
[10:30] <yuradoc> why there is no cli possiblity to ignore dep... weird
[10:30] <daedeloth> it's a digitalocean droplet
[10:31] <ducasse> yuradoc: because it's entirely unsupported
[10:31] <EriC^^> daedeloth: well the virtual motherboard :D
[10:31] <EriC^^> daedeloth: which grub packages are installed?
[10:32] <EriC^^> daedeloth: if you have internet connection in the chroot you can do "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" to upload a pastebin
[10:33] <daedeloth> https://termbin.com/5dby
[10:34] <daedeloth> as for context, i think this was an ubuntu 17.10 droplet that was upgraded to 18.04
[10:34] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type "apt-get purge grub-pc grub-pc-bin"
[10:34] <daedeloth> and i guess that failed months ago, but i just now rebooted it
[10:35] <daedeloth> do i want to have all grub 2 files removed from /boot/grub? :)
[10:35] <EriC^^> daedeloth: is it asking that?
[10:35] <daedeloth> yes :)
[10:35] <ducasse> i didn't think their droplets used uefi, mine doesn't
[10:35] <daedeloth> that might be the problem? :D
[10:35] <daedeloth> ok purging those files, right?
[10:36] <EriC^^> yeah, thought it's pretty odd, but it's present in fstab
[10:36] <EriC^^> daedeloth: yeah, the line in fstab for /boot/efi wasn't commented out, right?
[10:36] <daedeloth> no
[10:36] <ducasse> yeah, but will loading efivars work?
[10:36] <EriC^^> ok
[10:37] <EriC^^> ok, let's confirm more, daedeloth type "sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:37] <daedeloth>  /etc/fstab => http://termbin.com/16zc
[10:37] <daedeloth> http://termbin.com/cilt
[10:38] <daedeloth> with a warning: unable to poen /dev/s0 read-write ...
[10:38] <EriC^^> well that's not what i'd like to see
[10:38] <daedeloth> and error: /dev/sr0: unrecognized disk label
[10:38] <EriC^^> it's using gpt, has an ef partition, but also has a bios_boot for legacy grub to work with gpt
[10:39] <EriC^^> daedeloth: my guess is that maybe it started as efi, since it has it in fstab, then at some point was converted to work with legacy?
[10:39] <EriC^^> that'd explain the 2 grub packages, efi in fstab, and it being gpt in the first place
[10:39] <daedeloth> honestly i have no idea, i think i started out from a default image and then ran upgrade to 18.04 but i don't remember doing that
[10:39] <ducasse> other way around, i think
[10:39] <ducasse> pretty certain they use legacy by default
[10:40] <EriC^^> but then again, the partition table looks made well and not mmodified later, i think it was designed to work with both grub efi and legacy
[10:40] <EriC^^> ducasse: yeah, i think it was initially setup with both, i guess he should go for grub legacy package since the live session got booted in legacy mode, likely it boots in that mode
[10:41] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type 'apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc grub-pc-bin'
[10:41] <ducasse> it's not like it would need uefi for anything
[10:41] <EriC^^> true
[10:41] <daedeloth> there i go :)
[10:42] <daedeloth> bad system call: core dumped doesn't sound good
[10:42] <EriC^^> add  "2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999" to the command
[10:42] <daedeloth> it's still going
[10:43] <daedeloth> now it's asking me on what tdevice to install, i only have /dev/vda
[10:43] <EriC^^> yeah go for that
[10:43] <daedeloth> grub failed to install
[10:43] <EriC^^> did it say why?
[10:44] <daedeloth> no, wait, I'll do a pastebin
[10:44] <EriC^^> a question on their site from 2016 about uefi says their instances are not uefi capable, btw
[10:45] <daedeloth> ah yes with those prompts piping all content to termbin probably wasn't a good idea :)
[10:46] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type "script /tmp/aptlog"
[10:47] <EriC^^> run apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-efi-amd64-bin- grub-efi-amd64-signed-"
[10:47] <EriC^^> notice the "-" at the end of the last 2 packages (it instructs apt to remove them rather than install)
[10:48] <EriC^^> once it's done if anything fails, type "exit", then "cat /tmp/aptlog | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:49] <rory> how come the mkpasswd command is provided by "whois" package?
[10:50] <daedeloth> http://termbin.com/bvnvq
[10:50] <daedeloth> it's not getting at the dialogs anymore
[10:51] <daedeloth> ah it's not being reinstalled either so that's normal :)
[10:51] <EriC^^> seems there's problem with mandb
[10:51] <ryuo> rory: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=116260
[10:53] <daedeloth> really confused on how i managed to get such an f'ed up system, it just ran a webserver
[10:55] <EriC^^> daedeloth: try "strace -o /tmp/straceapt apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc grub-pc-bin"
[10:56] <EriC^^> daedeloth: then cat /tmp/straceapt | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:56] <EriC^^> this guy's in a similar boat, turned out to be some anti-malware system https://askubuntu.com/questions/1092281/bad-system-call-core-dumped-usr-share-man-man1?rq=1
[10:57] <EriC^^> eset file security
[10:58] <daedeloth> http://termbin.com/gdlh
[10:58] <daedeloth> could it be related to the fact that i'm chrooted into the system?
[10:59] <daedeloth> should i run the reinstall with MAN_DISABLE_SECCOMP=1?
[11:00] <bonfire> hello
[11:01] <daedeloth> that seems to have worked
[11:01] <EriC^^> daedeloth: i dont think so, yeah i was about to say that it doesnt show the previous error in the log xD
[11:01] <daedeloth> i'll give rebooting a try :)
[11:01] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type 'dpkg -l | grep grub' are they all "ii" ?
[11:01] <daedeloth> grub-efi-amd64 is rc
[11:02] <EriC^^> daedeloth: maybe run "grub-install --recheck /dev/vda && update-grub"
[11:02] <EriC^^> then type 'exit' and try rebooting
[11:02] <daedeloth> failed to get cannonical path of 'overlay'
[11:03] <EriC^^> daedeloth: did you mount bind /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys ?
[11:03] <daedeloth> might not have
[11:04] <daedeloth> i need to leave chroot right?
[11:04] <EriC^^> yeah, type exit
[11:04] <EriC^^> then 'for i in /dev /proc /sys; do sudo mount -R $i /mountpoint$i; done'
[11:05] <EriC^^> (replacing mountpoint with where you mounted it)
[11:05] <daedeloth> now that sounds overly complicated to mount 3 directories ;-) But done & going back to chroot
[11:06] <EriC^^> ok, try grub-install first, see how that goes
[11:08] <daft_dutch> I cant start chromemium browser
[11:08] <daft_dutch> brdi@step-cmdb:~$ chromium-browser
[11:08] <daft_dutch> Trace/breakpoint trap (core dumped)
[11:08] <daft_dutch> [ 1352.868175] Chrome_IOThread[4424]: segfault at 50 ip 00007ff21dbd1fa0 sp 00007ff207ffe978 error 4 in libpthread-2.27.so[7ff21dbc8000+1a000]
[11:08] <daedeloth> no errors reported
[11:09] <EriC^^> daedeloth: awesome, try update-grub
[11:09] <daedeloth> warning: failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling bck to device scanning
[11:09] <daedeloth> i can't upload pastebins for some reason
[11:09] <daft_dutch> i can run chromium-browser as root. (but thats not what i want)
[11:10] <daedeloth> but it did find 3 linux images and 1 initrd image
[11:10] <EriC^^> daedeloth: no worries, did it pick up a kernel and initrd?
[11:10] <daedeloth> yep
[11:10] <EriC^^> daedeloth: cool, exit then try rebooting
[11:12] <daedeloth> alas, no luck
[11:12] <daedeloth> https://i.ibb.co/h9gpGTV/Screenshot-from-2020-02-04-12-11-39.png
[11:27] <netcrash> Hello, is ubuntu now randomizing mac address on the wifi ?
[11:27] <RonaldsMazitis> netcrash that's unfortunate
[11:28] <netcrash> RonaldsMazitis: I'm asking
[11:28] <RonaldsMazitis> mac address ain't supposed to change
[11:28] <RonaldsMazitis> it's mac address
[11:29] <RonaldsMazitis> atleast that's what they tough me in school
[11:29] <crablab> No. iOS and Android now randomise them though
[11:30] <netcrash> RonaldsMazitis: It's changing now.
[11:31] <netcrash> Everytime I connected to the wifi it changed the mac address
[11:31] <crablab> netcrash which version of Ubuntu?
[11:34] <tatertots> netcrash: the OS is not doing this, the most likely is that the user(s) have done something to do this and you may not be aware if the system is used by multiple users
[11:37] <ace_me> RonaldsMazitis: If is a cheap card or device... it happen. It happend with a MEDIA device I bought from somewhere far :) It randomised eve4ry time it started /reset the mac which does not allowed me to filter that device in Firewall allow list
[11:39] <jeremy31> I think 17.04 was the last Ubuntu version that would randomize MAC address and it caused many wifi issues
[11:39] <daedeloth> after netsplit & lunch... I'm back :)
[11:39] <red_p1xel> Hello, I need help. There were issues with drivers of video adapter [GeForce GTX 550 Ti]. After the system upgrade I have incorrect screen resolution. I can't set this because `nvidia-driver-390` does not work properly. How I can resolve this problem?
[11:39] <tatertots> it's an anomaly until netcrash provides more details including but not limited to filing a bug report
[11:42] <daedeloth> so after reinstalling grub i still end up at https://i.ibb.co/h9gpGTV/Screenshot-from-2020-02-04-12-11-39.png
[11:42] <daedeloth> maybe now is the time to start making db dumps and just launch a new droplet?
[11:48] <EriC^^> daedeloth: it looks like root= in the grub config is off
[11:49] <EriC^^> daedeloth: what's /mountpoint/boot/grub/grub.cfg and /etc/default/grub have?
[11:49] <EriC^^> might just need to let it use uuid as usual
[11:51] <daedeloth> http://termbin.com/qck8l
[11:52] <daedeloth> http://termbin.com/s2fmo
[11:53] <lotuspsychje> red_p1xel: was this on a recent update?
[11:57] <red_p1xel> lotuspsychje Yes
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> red_p1xel: does your system show more available drivers for your card? ubuntu-drivers list to check
[12:00] <red_p1xel> lotuspsychje I try to install `ubuntu-driver-400` but this driver work only two days.
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> red_p1xel: what gives: lsb_release -a plz?
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> lsb_release -a
[12:02] <red_p1xel> lotuspsychje
[12:02] <red_p1xel> No LSB modules are available.Distributor ID:	UbuntuDescription:	Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTSRelease:	18.04Codename:	bionic
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> red_p1xel: the -release guys are currently working on it, seems likes there are issues with the nvidia drivers
[12:03] <red_p1xel> I have next available drivers `ubuntu-drivers list` nvidia-driver-390nvidia-340nvidia-driver-440nvidia-304
[12:03] <daedeloth> uuid in grub.cfg seems to match the one i get from blkid
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> red_p1xel: nvidia also recently wiped the 340 driver
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> red_p1xel: try 440 perhaps, till things got sorted
[12:09] <red_p1xel> lotuspsychje thanks for your answers
[12:12] <Darkchaos> Do you guys know a way to get apt into a verbose mode? I am stuck at "Waiting for Headers" and I suspect a repository is about to timeout, but I don't know which
[12:13] <Darkchaos> oh, this time I got a connection failed, but for de.archive.ubuntu.com (141.30.62.22)
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> Darkchaos: could it be a glitch on your side?
[12:14] <Darkchaos> lotuspsychje: Could well be, though said IP is pingable but doesn't load in the browser either (times out)
[12:15] <lotuspsychje> Darkchaos: come join #ubuntu-mirrors please
[12:15] <Darkchaos> Others on the same Hostname work well, though, so maybe it's just one host
[12:25] <u0_105> hi all
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> Darkchaos: tnx for reporting & testing
[12:28] <netcrash> crablab: tatertots ... 18.04 version
[12:29] <Darkchaos> lotuspsychje: no problem :)
[12:43] <daedeloth> still stuck at "vfs cannot open root device "vda1" or known-block(0,0)"
[12:44] <daedeloth> i think i'll try to get my data out by using chroot
[12:52] <crablab> netcrash thanks - that doesn't sound like an Ubuntu issue tbh. As tatertots says, it could well be other software
[13:01] <netcrash> crablab: network manager?
[13:03] <EriC^^> daedeloth: pethaps you need to remove grub-legacy-ec2 package? it mentions handling update-grub for ec2 instances, which i think is only amazon?
[13:04] <EriC^^> daedeloth: this is the bad line in grub linux.......root=/dev/vda1
[13:05] <EriC^^> i'm pretty sure the standard update-grub is not running cause in /etc/default/grub this is commented out #GRUB_DISABLE_LINUX_UUID=true
[13:06] <EriC^^> (usually it needs to be uncommented for grub to not use uuid in that linux line)
[13:06] <daedeloth> it was commented, but i'm currently experimenting with uncommenting it? :)
[13:06] <EriC^^> daedeloth: you want it commented
[13:07] <EriC^^> daedeloth: try to remove the package grub-legacy-ec2
[13:07] <daedeloth> done :) rebooting
[13:07] <EriC^^> hold on..
[13:07] <daedeloth> not rebooting yet :D
[13:07] <EriC^^> daedeloth: :D
[13:08] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type 'grep linux /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
[13:08] <EriC^^> does it say root=UUID=................ in those lines
[13:08] <daedeloth> no
[13:08] <daedeloth>         linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-76-generic root=/dev/vda1 ro  console=tty1 console=ttyS0
[13:09] <daedeloth> it does say so on older kernels though
[13:09] <daedeloth>                 linux   /boot/vmlinuz-4.15.0-44-generic root=UUID=08dd41c5-b149-4ce0-8458-39e929819aef ro recovery nomodeset
[13:10] <littlekimmy> what's the way to timestamp sth
[13:12] <EriC^^> daedeloth: odd, what about if you run sudo grub-mkconfig | grep "76.*root=UUID"
[13:12] <EriC^^> does it show the right line?
[13:14] <daedeloth> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G6kmWvS9Rp/
[13:16] <daedeloth> maybe if i purge & reinstall grub itself? :P
[13:16] <EriC^^> daedeloth: it's pretty odd, cause i think the same file compiles it in /etc/default/grub, it's using vda1 for the first one, then uuid as it should for the 2nd
[13:17] <EriC^^> daedeloth: what does ls -l /etc/grub.d/10_linux*
[13:17] <EriC^^> give for the sizes?
[13:18] <EriC^^> sorry ls -l /etc/grub.d/*linux*
[13:18] <Boyette> hi
[13:18] <Boyette> i have a problem
[13:18] <Boyette> hopefully someone can help me
[13:18] <EriC^^> mine's 12512 for linux
[13:18] <daedeloth> 12693
[13:18] <EriC^^> and 11082 for linux xen
[13:18] <daedeloth> 11298
[13:18] <EriC^^> aha
[13:18] <EriC^^> maybe that's it
[13:19] <EriC^^> daedeloth: which ubuntu version was this?
[13:19] <EriC^^> apparently grub-common is responsible for those files
[13:19] <daedeloth> it started out at 17.10 and now i don't know what it is :)
[13:20] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type "cat /etc/issue"
[13:20] <daedeloth> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
[13:20] <EriC^^> !info grub-common xenial
[13:20] <EriC^^> !info grub-common bionic
[13:21] <EriC^^> daedeloth: in any case, i guess doing "sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-common grub2-common" won't harm
[13:21] <EriC^^> seems the versions are different between yours and mine
[13:22] <EriC^^> try the apt command, then give grub-mkconfig | grep "76.*root" another chance and see it if shows the correct root=UUID format
[13:22] <daedeloth> files didn't change
[13:22] <EriC^^> oh
[13:22] <EriC^^> daedeloth: well, you could create your own grub entry if you want
[13:23] <daedeloth> maybe purge it? or will that cause undesirable effects/ :P
[13:23] <EriC^^> daedeloth: what i'd do right now is get the system fully updated, i think you should be at 18.04.3 or so
[13:23] <EriC^^> nah purging would remove the other grub stuff too (grub-pc etc)
[13:23] <EriC^^> try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:23] <EriC^^> that should get it up to date
[13:24] <EriC^^> then i guess we can make a custom grub entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom
[13:24] <daedeloth> hm wait, this is starngem i don't think i have an ubuntu repo in my sources
[13:24] <daedeloth> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N85m8qZnHN/
[13:24] <EriC^^> yeah digitalocean might have their own repo i guess?
[13:24] <daedeloth> ah yea mirror.digitalocean.com/ubuntu
[13:25] <EriC^^> it looks good
[13:25] <daedeloth> but dist-upgrade tells me everything is up to date
[13:25] <EriC^^> !info linux-generic bionic
[13:25] <EriC^^> hmm it seems so
[13:26] <EriC^^> daedeloth: ok, let's make the custom grub entry
[13:26] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type 'sudo nano /etc/grub.d/40_custom'
[13:26] <daedeloth> yep am there
[13:29] <EriC^^> daedeloth: paste these below what's already there https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KFFxK5fsf8/
[13:29] <EriC^^> i removed "ro" from the line since that makes it boot in read-only, also no idea why it's there
[13:30] <EriC^^> oh actually it's supposed to be, derp
[13:30] <EriC^^> daedeloth: use this one instead https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4dkCT9T9SJ/
[13:31] <daedeloth> okay, done :) and now update-grub?
[13:31] <EriC^^> yup
[13:31] <daedeloth> does that mean it's default now? i've never been able to see the blue menu
[13:32] <EriC^^> nope not yet
[13:32] <daedeloth> ah i found the file that sets grub_timeout to 0
[13:33] <daedeloth> set it to 60
[13:33] <daedeloth> going to try to reboot now :)
[13:33] <EriC^^> i set
[13:33] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[13:34] <EriC^^> daedeloth: type 'sudo nano /etc/default/grub'
[13:34] <EriC^^> set GRUB_DEFAULT="Ubuntu-76"
[13:34] <EriC^^> then update-grub
[13:36] <imi> is there a way to figure out from commandline whether a given block device/partition is in use? e.g mounted, used as a lvm physical volume, used by LUKS, or any other way?
[13:37] <daedeloth> ok, and now reboot, right? :)
[13:38] <daedeloth> ok well update-grub is working apparently, but: VFC: cannot open root device "UUID=08dd41c5-b149-4cd0-8458-39e929-819aef" or unknown-block(0,0)
[13:38] <daedeloth> :(
[13:39] <EriC^^> daedeloth: does the 44 kernel work by any chance?
[13:39] <daedeloth> for some reason the menu doesn't show up
[13:40] <EriC^^> daedeloth: try GRUB_DEFAULT="Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.15.0-44-generic"
[13:40] <EriC^^> update-grub and see
[13:41] <Boyette> on ubuntu 18.04 , I tried to install icaclient with gdebi, when installing this my system crashed or something and got to the login welcome screen.. everytime i tryto install ica client it happens again, when i try to apt-get upgrade now i get dpkg was interrupted error, if i try to -configure -a i also crash to mainscreen again seems installation of icaclient is still pending.. how to cancel this permanently?
[13:47] <daedeloth> no, same error, it's like that block device simply doesn't exist :/
[13:56] <EriC^^> daedeloth: odd
[13:58] <daedeloth> hm
[14:03] <daedeloth> euh, it booted :o
[14:04] <daedeloth> wth
[14:05] <daedeloth> i was tryin gto get the boot menu to show by commenting out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET
[14:05] <daedeloth> and GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=1
[14:06] <daedeloth> rebooted and... it just worked
[14:07] <daedeloth> but only the old kernel
[14:07] <daedeloth> running 4.15.0-44-generic
[14:26] <beaver> ,
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> can we help you beaver ?
[14:28] <Boyette> @lotuspsychje
[14:28] <Boyette> can you try to help me?
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> Boyette: the volunteers will listen, when you ask your question
[14:40] <Boyette> on ubuntu 18.04 , I tried to install icaclient with gdebi, when installing this my system crashed or something and got to the login welcome screen.. everytime i tryto install ica client it happens again, when i try to apt-get upgrade now i get dpkg was interrupted error, if i try to -configure -a i also crash to mainscreen again seems installation of icaclient is still pending.. how to cancel this permanently?
[14:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:48] <markus_4x4> Hi. I've got a 18.04 Ubuntu Server running on a remote VPS at a provider. I now want to create an image and store it locally. I've got foll access via SSH. What is the best way to achieve this?
[14:50] <markus_4x4> I've read about dd but in my case it didn't work, surely because I've entered syntax wrong.
[14:50] <rory> i don't think you can achieve that, markus_4x4, not from the running machine itsself
[14:50] <rory> you can back up the filesystem contents using tar or similar
[14:51] <markus_4x4> the providers offers a rescue mode with the possibility to mount the volume seperately
[14:51] <markus_4x4> would it then work?
[14:51] <rory> yeah but you'd need some storage space to store the image
[14:51] <rory> rescue mode will probably be very minimal and not enough space for an entire copy of the root FS
[14:51] <markus_4x4> that's why I want to store it locally
[14:52] <rory> but at the time you are making the image using dd, you need space on the machine to store it
[14:52] <rory> you can't run dd over the internet
[14:52] <rory> if your provider lets you rent an additional drive you can mount in rescue mode, that might work
[14:52] <markus_4x4> ah, I see the point
[14:53] <rory> you could mount some kind of network storage
[14:53] <rory> it all depends on what can be done in the recovery mode.
[14:53] <markus_4x4> so first step would be to check out how many storage the rescue mode provides
[14:54] <markus_4x4> would rsync help, as an alternative?
[14:54] <rory> rsync works on files, so that would be backing up the filesystem *contents*
[14:54] <rory> which may be perfect for you.
[14:54] <rory> you may not need an image at all. your call.
[14:55] <markus_4x4> theres running gitlab and I wanted to download the server with the ability to reactivate it on another machine later on.
[14:56] <markus_4x4> is file downloading with rsync sufficient for this?
[14:56] <rory> you won't be able to just take an image of a running gitlab server, bring it up somewhere else and have it carry on running as if no time passed
[14:57] <rory> it sounds like you should back up the entire / directory of your VPS (with rsync), then set up gitlab fresh on the new server, and copy the configuration from the backup.
[14:58] <rory> you can copy the entire gitlab data directory etc and it might work OK but check their docs for any migration steps
[14:58] <rory> trying to migrate an entire OS from a VPS to another machine is only going to cause you headaches and heartbreak later on
[15:01] <markus_4x4> ok. so rsync is the way to go. As a background: at the moment I don't need the server any more but want to backup the content for the unlikely case needing it later for legal reasons
[15:01] <rory> you absolutely want rsync / tar or similar. you care about the filesystem contents being backed up. an image is overkill.
[15:02] <rory> hey maybe your VPS provider has a way to image a machine and store it for you to download?
[15:03] <rory> but an image will be more annoying to deal with in future, compared to a flat file archive
[15:04] <markus_4x4> I've already asked at my provider. In my plan there is no chance to get images. But as you said, I'm completely fine with the content and will try the rsync option
[15:07] <rory> stop gitlab before taking the backup, if possible.
[15:07] <markus_4x4> yes, I'll reboot in rescue mode and then rsync
[15:08] <markus_4x4> how can I enter the path in ssh to my local machine?
[15:10] <tatertots> lol you're going to attempt to image a running system while it's running?...
[15:10] <tatertots> aww
[15:12] <markus_4x4> no I don't. I'll reboot in rescue mode, where the server is not running any more. I then (hopefully) will have direct access to the harddisk and try to rsync all files to my local machine
[15:14] <parrotlover> If I make a modified Ubuntu ISO using a chroot method to modify the live image, simply to make a purpose driven live boot media with packages and software not included in the release and with lots removed and changed... can I distribute that, is that alloweD?
[15:14] <markus_4x4> but I'm a terminal noob and so I'm not sure about how to enter the correct syntax for downloading the files to my local machine
[15:14] <tatertots> even in rescue mode certain OS files are "in use" ..meaning rescue mode is NOT equal to a system in a "Cold" powered "off" status/state.....but good luck with that
[15:16] <markus_4x4> Once rescue mode has been activated, your instance’s data will be attached as an additional disk. You will now need to mount it, by taking the following steps.
[15:16] <markus_4x4> First, establish an SSH connection to your instance. Once you’re connected, verify the available disks with this command:
[15:16] <markus_4x4> This is copied from the provider
[15:17] <markus_4x4> It seems that the rescue mode shuts down the server completely so that I have to mount the volume manually
[15:18] <markus_4x4> @tatertos do you think this is kind of a cold status?
[15:25] <tatertots> the part that says "your instances data will be attached as an additional disk"
[15:26] <tatertots> in order for the image to be bootable when restored later...not only just "data" but the entire OS would need to be included in the image...when you restore this..you'll probably only have your "instances data"
[15:27] <sveinse> I have a Lenovo P51 laptop with hybrid graphics, working fine in 18.04. I installed 19.10 and discovered that it is unable to use the external screen, regardless of nvidia drivers or not. So I just installed 20.04 daily, and the problem prevails there. So what can I do? I will assume that it is a willingness to get it up and running as the Lenovo P51 is one of the machines "certified for pre-install for
[15:27] <sveinse> Ubuntu"...
[15:28] <tatertots> so to me it's designed to be restored back to their environment...not a portable image that you are free to restore to any bare metal server/system
[15:28] <tatertots> sounds like you can back it up and restore it back to the same VPS provider at a later time if you wanted
[15:36] <nikolam> Why thid freaking VLC in Ubuntu 19.10 is freezing all the time? When I start playing some of the movie files with it, it sometimes just freezes and only kill -9 can kill it..
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> nikolam: anything usefull in your journal logs, start vlc from termina aswell?
[15:55] <lotuspsychje> *terminal
[16:31] <Boyette> anyone can help me?
[16:31] <Boyette> ered that it is unable to use the external screen, regardless of nvidia drivers or not. So I just installed 20.04 daily, and the problem prevails there. So what can I
[16:32] <Boyette> on ubuntu 18.04 , I tried to install icaclient with gdebi, when installing this my system crashed or something and got to the login welcome screen.. everytime i tryto install ica client it happens again, when i try to apt-get upgrade now i get dpkg was interrupted error, if i try to -configure -a i also crash to mainscreen again seems installation of icaclient is still pending.. how to cancel this permanently?
[16:33] <tomreyn> "ered"?
[16:33] <ioria> sounds a borked copy/paste
[16:34] <tomreyn> yes, something seems to have gotten lost there in at least one direction, Boyette
[16:36] <ioria> Boyette, i can't find this icaclient in repos (citrix ?); so i assume is an external pkg; you can run   dpkg -l | grep -vE "^ii|^rc"   to check if something has broken
[16:56] <Boyette> icaclient_13.3.0.344519_amd64.deb
[16:56] <Boyette> i used
[16:56] <Boyette> https://www.citrix.com/downloads/citrix-receiver/linux/receiver-for-linux-latest.html
[17:00] <Boyette> https://pastebin.com/SvQfj0ib
[17:00] <tomreyn> try getting support from citrix on this, refer to their documentation.
[17:00] <Boyette> output for dpkg -l | grep -vE "^ii|^rc
[17:00] <Boyette> i dont need the ica client anymore
[17:00] <Boyette> but my system is broken now
[17:00] <Boyette> because upgrade function is broken
[17:00] <Boyette> and also something is wrong with my graphic drivers
[17:04] <sveinse> How should I approach it when I have problems using multiple screens in 19.10 and 20.04? It works in 18.04
[17:05] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: 20.04 isn't released yet, so support here will focus on 19.10. What are you experiencing when you attempt to use multiple monitors in 19.10. Provide as many details as you can please
[17:05] <tatertots> just use 18.04
[17:05] <tatertots> lol
[17:05] <ioria> Boyette, so sudo apt purge icaclient fails, right ?
[17:05] <tatertots> that's how i would approach it ...personally lol
[17:06] <tomreyn> Boyette: providing this can be a good first step (it doesn't amke any changes):   sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[17:06] <Boyette> purge icaclient gives dpkg was interrupted
[17:06] <sveinse> tatertots: sure, but at one point 20.04 will be released, and I expect it is interesting to figure this out
[17:07] <sveinse> pragmaticenigma: yeah, I assume the issue on 20.04 is the same as 19.10. It was based on an earlier reccomendation to try something newer. As for details:
[17:08] <ioria> Boyette, please highlight the person you're talking to;  sudo dpkg -P icaclient
[17:08] <tatertots> sveinse: if 18.04 is a LTS release, i wouldn't even worry about it being "interesting" until the year 2023
[17:08] <Boyette> https://termbin.com/6rez
[17:09] <sveinse> pragmaticenigma: I have a Lenovo P51 laptop with hybrid graphics, working fine in 18.04. I installed 19.10 and discovered that it is unable to use the external screen, regardless of nvidia drivers or not. There is no more than one display in "Displays"
[17:10] <Boyette> ok
[17:10] <Boyette> i was kicked out of my session
[17:10] <Boyette> how to highlight?
[17:10] <Boyette> dpkg -P icaclient
[17:10] <Boyette> kicked me out of my session
[17:11] <Boyette> and when i login
[17:11] <Boyette> i get
[17:11] <Boyette> systemproblem detected
[17:11] <ioria> Boyette, just include the nickname
[17:11] <Boyette> ioria ok
[17:11] <ioria> good
[17:11] <Boyette> ioria, ok
[17:11] <Boyette> @tomreyn https://termbin.com/6rez
[17:12] <Boyette> tomreyn https://termbin.com/6rez
[17:12] <ioria> Boyette, i see a bunch of ppa ; wine 5, graphic driver, gcc, even your Destop Env
[17:13] <tomreyn> Boyette: you really, really, should not mix apt sources for different ubuntu releases.
[17:13] <ioria> Boyette, i'am not surprised you're system is a bit unstable
[17:13] <Boyette> ok
[17:13] <Boyette> at least we found something
[17:13] <parrotlover> building from kernel used to have a meta package to install all tools and deps, what happened to that?
[17:13] <Boyette> how to fix this?
[17:17] <sveinse> Is there anywhere to get support with the graphics setup, where you're at the level of "it doesn't work"? I can of course abandon 19.10 for now, and wait for 20.04 and cross my fingers that it is fixed by release. Yet there is a motivation of getting newer tools and version that leads me to the newer distros in the first place...
[17:17] <tomreyn> Boyette: don't do it in the first place.you can now remove incompatible and unsupported PPAs and downgrade and purge packages from there as needed, but i don't feel like guiding right now. the immediate issue, which is about the icaclient package not installing, needs to be fixed first, though. output from     dpkg --configure -a     may hint on what would need doing.
[17:17] <ioria> Boyette,  paste the errors from  sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:18] <Boyette> dpkg -- configure - a
[17:18] <Boyette> i already tried
[17:18] <Boyette> i get kicked out to the login screen
[17:18] <Boyette> my session is lost
[17:18] <Boyette> and i get a message
[17:18] <Boyette> system error detected
[17:18] <tomreyn> !enter | Boyette
[17:18] <ioria> we got that
[17:18] <Boyette> i dont need the ica client anymore just want to remove it
[17:18] <Boyette> ubottu ok
[17:18] <ioria> Boyette,   sudo dpkg -P icaclient
[17:18] <Boyette> ioria i already did this
[17:19] <ioria> and ?
[17:19] <Boyette> then i get a blackscreen, a few seconds later im on the login screen, i need to login again, my session is gone, and i get a message on my desktop SYSTEMERROR DETECTED
[17:20] <ioria> Boyette,   are you logged right now in session ?
[17:20] <Boyette> yes
[17:20] <ioria> Boyette,   sudo dpkg -P icaclient
[17:20] <Boyette> im using the same desktop
[17:20] <Boyette> as i use to type here
[17:20] <Boyette> it will probably cut the chat again
[17:21] <ioria> Boyette,  it would be weird
[17:21] <Boyette> sudo dpkg -p icaclient , i already did this, it justdoesnt work
[17:21] <Boyette> it makes my session crash
[17:21] <ioria> Boyette,  please, the output
[17:21] <Boyette> i cant see the output becuase my session crashes
[17:22] <tomreyn> you can run commands in a tty
[17:22] <tomreyn> !tty
[17:22] <Boyette> if i do that its like i type reboot
[17:22] <ioria> Boyette,  logout, ctrl+alt+f1 , stop your DM, and run the cmd
[17:22] <tomreyn> then it's maybe too late for this system and you should just reinstall
[17:22] <ioria> Boyette,  ctrl+alt+f3
[17:24] <ioria> Boyette,  hard to believe you can run an irc client and cannot use dpkg
[17:25] <Boyette> in tty3 it seemed to work
[17:25] <Boyette> and it purged
[17:26] <ioria> Boyette,  dpkg -l | grep -vE "^ii|^rc"  | pastebinit
[17:27] <Boyette> ioria https://pastebin.com/BXAddyR1
[17:28] <ioria> Boyette,   sudo apt full-upgrade
[17:28] <Boyette> seems to work now
[17:29] <ioria> Boyette,   sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:30] <ioria> Boyette,  when has finished,  i mean
[17:30] <Boyette> done
[17:30] <ioria> Boyette,   sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:30] <Boyette> without errors executed
[17:30] <ioria> Boyette,  uname -r
[17:30] <Boyette> 5.3.0-28-generic
[17:31] <ioria> Boyette,  ls -al /var/crash | pastebinit
[17:32] <Boyette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/W7yxS887my/
[17:33] <ioria> Boyette,  marco , iirc, is the DM of mate ? correct ?
[17:34] <NelsonMinar> Is there a way still to upgrade an Ubuntu 18.10 system to either 19.04 or 19.10? I looked for solutions online and tried advice involving using http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu, but that didn't work for me.
[17:35] <ioria> Boyette, cd /var/crash  and remove thos files
[17:39] <ioria>  NelsonMinar if you have backups; you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list ; replace cosmic with eoan and update and full-upgrade and pray
[17:40] <NelsonMinar> That's a little more.. uncertain than I'd like. I think the files to upgrade 18.10 to 19.04 are still around, but when I try to do the upgrade via old-releases I get an error "The repository 'http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic Release' does not have a Release file."
[17:40] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: why did it not work?
[17:40] <NelsonMinar> (details on what I tried and failures here: https://nelsonslog.wordpress.com/2020/01/29/cant-upgrade-ubuntu-18-10-to-19-10/
[17:40] <EriC^^> reading
[17:41] <ioria> Boyette, then reboot (i suggest to check that arfull ppa ~samoilov-lex/aftl-stable )
[17:41] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: cosmic is still in the normal repos ( http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ )
[17:41] <NelsonMinar> This advice about using old-releases mostly seems to come from the Ubuntu 12/14 era, no idea if I should even expect it to work.
[17:42] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: set the sources.list back to archive.ubuntu.com
[17:42] <Boyette> xorg crash file is locked
[17:42] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: dont forget the security.ubuntu.com one
[17:42] <NelsonMinar> EriC^^: yeah, I put my sources.list back to the way it was before. but then do-release-upgrade wants to leap to 19.10 which doesn't work.  how do I run the version of do-release-upgrade that upgrades to 19.04?
[17:42] <ioria> Boyette, you need sudo
[17:42] <CarlFK> The repository 'http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic Release'  <- Release looks weird.
[17:43] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: then type "grep -i prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades"
[17:43] <ioria> NelsonMinar, 19.04 is eol
[17:43] <CarlFK> NelsonMinar: try  'http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic main'
[17:43] <NelsonMinar> ioria, I know! but I think I have to go 18.10 -> 19.04 first. there's no 18.10 -> 19.10 direct path.
[17:44] <NelsonMinar> EriC^^: Prompt=normal
[17:44] <ioria> NelsonMinar, not sure if is dead
[17:44] <EriC^^> ok, that's not what you want i think
[17:44] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: nevermind, actually it is
[17:45] <Boyette> yes done
[17:45] <ioria> Boyette, isit clean ?
[17:45] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: did you update the system prior? type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:45] <NelsonMinar> EriC^^ I agree that's probably right. But the 18.10->19.04 upgrade is gone now because both versions are EOL. Yes, I did update already.
[17:47] <NelsonMinar> CarlFK: that suggestion about "cosmic Release" is encouraging. this sed command I used to swap URLs may have done something wrong. will explore.
[17:47] <ioria> NelsonMinar, you can try 2 things: 1) use old-release and upgrade temporary to 19.04 2) edit sources.list and try to get eoan 19.10
[17:47] <ioria> NelsonMinar, if you paste sources.list you can have a look togheter
[17:48] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: it seems you might have to change the cosmic to eoan in the sources.list and apt update & dist-upgrade
[17:48] <NelsonMinar> EriC^^: yeah but that's a straight 18.10 -> 19.10 upgrade, skipping 19.04. will that work? I worry there's some magic shell script that updates config files for 19.04 that it won't run
[17:49] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: oh
[17:49] <EriC^^> !19.04
[17:49] <EriC^^> NelsonMinar: you could replace cosmic with disco
[17:49] <ioria> NelsonMinar, why are you talking  about 19.04 ?
[17:49] <EriC^^> upgrade to that, then upgrade to 19.10
[17:50] <EriC^^> !19.10
[17:50] <Boyette> back
[17:50] <NelsonMinar> ioria: because I have an 18.10 system. my understanding is do-release-upgrade only ever upgrades one version at a time. 18.10 -> 19.10 is explicitly not supported. "An upgrade from 'cosmic' to 'eoan' is not supported with this tool."
[17:51] <Boyette> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qJC2KfBSx3/
[17:51] <ioria> NelsonMinar, in general yes, but 19.04 is dead
[17:51] <NelsonMinar> This is the old-releases version of my sources.list that doesn't work. CarlFK, it doesn't have any bad line like you suggested, but that's still the error I get. https://gist.github.com/NelsonMinar/a5d7ef7256ff37e15132f5d5a400b74a
[17:51] <NelsonMinar> E: The repository 'http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu cosmic Release' does not have a Release file.
[17:52] <NelsonMinar> ioria: right. so what's someone with an old 18.10 system supposed to do? am I just out of luck?
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> sveinse: I would try running the Live disk of 19.10 and see if the problem is there as well.  If it doesn't happen there, then that points to a driver issue. Which means you might need to make sure the proper driver is actually installed. nVidia drivers in the main Ubuntu repo sometimes aren't fully tuned. I use the Graphics Teams PPA personally, which I have found better stability with.
[17:52] <ioria> NelsonMinar, you waited too much
[17:52] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: replace cosmic with disco, leaving archive.ubuntu.com
[17:53] <NelsonMinar> EriC^: and just hope that "apt upgrade" works without running "do-release-upgrade"?
[17:53] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: why dont you fresh install though, typically it's better even than using the upgrader
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> NelsonMinar: See this document for help upgrading releases that are past their support cycle: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[17:53] <NelsonMinar> classic problem: my system has grown a bunch of barnacles of custom cron jobs, systemd units, etc. yes yes I'm a sloppy sysadmin. just surprised that being two weeks late to upgrade might mean your system is orphaned forever.
[17:53] <EriC^> you could backup your stuff, needed programs list, have them reinstalled
[17:54] <tomreyn> NelsonMinar: cosmic is still on http://archive.ubuntu.com apparently, see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[17:54] <EriC^> i dont remember it being like this, i remember people sometimes upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 and stuff
[17:54] <NelsonMinar> pragmaticenigma: are those docs still relevant? I tend to ignore Ubuntu pages with instructions on how to manage 15 year old Ubuntu systems.
[17:55] <EriC^> i dont see a technical reason why the upgrader would refuse your request
[17:55] <ioria> Boyette, told you to clean that directory
[17:55] <NelsonMinar> Eric^: those were LTS releases though, they have special support
[17:55] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: i also think non lts was done, 7.04 etc
[17:55] <NelsonMinar> I feel like I'm wasting everyone's time now. was hoping someone just knew a solution. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll probably just end up reinstalling.
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> NelsonMinar: I saw nothing on that screen to indicate anything about 15 year old ubuntu systems... and the page I referenced was updated in 2018... so It's being managed and updated
[17:55] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: i mean there's really no technical reason behind it, the files are there, even in the archive.ubuntu.com repo
[17:56] <NelsonMinar> EriC^: I know!
[17:56] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: could you run an strace on it, just to see what it might be up to "behind the scenes" ?
[17:56] <ioria> both inregular and in old-release
[17:56] <EriC^> sudo -i
[17:56] <EriC^> strace -o /tmp/upgraderlog do-release-upgrade
[17:57] <NelsonMinar> I think it's really simple: do-release-upgrade only now supports upgrading 19.04 to 19.10. i need to somehow manage to run the old tool that upgrades 18.10 to 19.04.
[17:58] <NelsonMinar> and that old tool exists in repos, but I don't know how to convince Ubuntu to run it
[17:58] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: interesting, it seems they stopped support at some point, see here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades/Jaunty
[17:58] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: there is an alternative upgrade path in a link there, as well as a workaround
[17:59] <NelsonMinar> well, there was in 2009
[17:59] <EriC^> so?
[17:59] <ioria> NelsonMinar, you can edit one system file '/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/UpdateManager/Core/MetaRelease.py' and change some lines  ir order to bypass the release check
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> NelsonMinar: See this document for help upgrading releases that are past their support cycle: This is still valid: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[18:01] <ioria> Boyette, but these are just hacks; the official answer (as i said) is that you  waited too much before upgrade
[18:01] <NelsonMinar> thanks pragmaticenigma. those seem to rely on trusting apt-get dist-upgrade to do the full upgrade. is that reliable? or does do-release-upgrade do more than that?
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> NelsonMinar: Those instructions are the manual process that the automation tool does for you.
[18:02] <NelsonMinar> but it's not like do-release-upgrade also has some special migration script baked in that modifies config files, etc?
[18:02] <pragmaticenigma> NelsonMinar: The problem is the automation tool relies on a part that is no longer available. Which is the approach everyone here is trying to send to you
[18:03] <pragmaticenigma> The do-release-upgrade tool validates package dependencies, to offer warnings about packages that are no longer compatible with the next Ubuntu release.
[18:03] <linelevel> Hi, I flashed Ubuntu 18.04 on my USB drive using the official instructions, and it works! But when I insert the USB drive into an already-booted Mac, it says it's unreadable. Why is that, given that the USB drive is formatted as FAT (not ext3/4)?
[18:05] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: according to here the packages themselves config and make assumptions on old formats, take it with a grain of salt though as usual https://askubuntu.com/questions/34430/can-i-skip-over-releases-when-upgrading
[18:05] <EriC^> (btw that's from the "2009 link" you were too lazy to read)
[18:05] <tomreyn> linelevel: probably because it has a special "hybrid" (both BIOS and UEFI bootable) partition table
[18:05] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: the other link goes over the workaround
[18:05] <NelsonMinar> not too lazy, EriC^. I did read it. I've been burned by outdated Ubuntu docs many times, which is why I asked.
[18:06] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: you read it in the 5secs it took you to respond, ok
[18:06] <NelsonMinar> I've taken too much time here already. I think I have two options. Either a full reinstall. Or else try ignoring do-release-upgrade and just use apt-get dist-upgrade to manually upgrade to 19.04 first.
[18:06] <linelevel> tomreyn: Is there any way for me to read the content of this drive from within OS X? I'd like to pull some files off of it without rebooting. I have used OSXFuse in the past to read ext3/4 drives, but I'm not sure if that applies here.
[18:06] <EriC^> i dont care anyways
[18:07] <ioria> NelsonMinar, nope, you still have another option, if you want
[18:07] <tatertots> linelevel: you could have just extracted the content of the ISO file directly or mounted the ISO file
[18:07] <bieb> I am in a similar situation as Nelson.. I have a 14.04lts server with WordPress. I need to upgrade to PHP5.6 or higher for gravityforms. Is there anything I should watch for on the WP front when doing the upgrade to 16.04? or later?
[18:07] <NelsonMinar> ioria, what'd I miss? your suggestion to disable the checks about the upgrade not being supported?
[18:07] <linelevel> tatertots: No, I've booted into this drive and saved files to the Ubuntu OS on the drive. I want to extract those files now.
[18:08] <ioria> NelsonMinar, yes, :þ
[18:08] <NelsonMinar> ioria: ok thanks.
[18:08] <tatertots> linelevel:  strange a second ago you claimed to be booted to MacOS/iOS and have it plugged in to the USB while booted to MacOS
[18:08] <NelsonMinar> and thanks to everyone for the help, even you EriC^. Appreciate you caring for awhile. Ciao!
[18:09] <ioria> NelsonMinar, i think this is you : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1205947/how-can-i-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-10-to-19-10
[18:09] <tatertots> linelevel: so you've made a LiveDVD/LiveUSB with "persistence" correct?
[18:09] <linelevel> tatertots: My phrasing was poor. In the past, I have booted into Ubuntu using this USB drive and saved files to my home directory. Now, I'm booted in OS X and would like to read those files from the drive.
[18:09] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: lol i cared, but you didnt want to even read the link on why they switched, or the workaround
[18:09] <linelevel> tatertots: Yes, exactly.
[18:09] <EriC^> hilarious
[18:09] <NelsonMinar> ioria: that question is not me, but I did write a comment.
[18:09] <ioria> ok
[18:09] <NelsonMinar> (love how they closed it as already answered. none of the linked answers work, at least not for me.)
[18:10] <EriC^> NelsonMinar: there's a huge line between wanting to be spoonfed, and actually needing help, that's all
[18:10] <tatertots> linelevel: if it is fact that you created a LiveUSB/LiveDVD with "persistence" you should save any data to the cloud/icloud/dropbox/google drive or to a USB mass storage device to later use when booted to MacOS/iOS
[18:10] <EriC^> i handheld a lot, but laziness and only-child syndrome, no thanks
[18:10] <ioria> back to work
[18:10] <tomreyn> linelevel: i don't know enough about os x to answer your questions. good luck.
[18:10] <tatertots> linelevel: path of least resistance
[18:11] <linelevel> tatertots: Yes, that is a potential solution. But I'd like to avoid needing to reboot every time I want to access a file that was perviously persisted to the home directory.
[18:11] <linelevel> I guess I'm being too ambitious.
[18:12] <deadrom> hi
[18:12] <tatertots> linelevel: if you want more resistance than what i said above I'm going to echo tomreyn
[18:12] <linelevel> Okay. Thank you both for your help.
[18:12] <tatertots> linelevel: sorry don't know MacOS enough to help ya
[18:13] <linelevel> No worries. I'll keep googling. tomreyn's response about the hybrid partition table gives me new avenues to look into, so this conversation was still useful.
[18:14] <pjs> anyone have any ideas as to why cairo and pangocairo are suddently not being found when running configure for i3? Never been an issue before and they are installed with the latest version.
[18:14] <tomreyn> linelevel: there may well be some os x support channel here on freenode where you could potentially get help with accessing this file system from that other OS (not really an ubuntu support topic). something else you could do is to try to identify a file system both OSes support and create that on another storage which both OSes can then access
[18:14] <jnewt> i'm connected to an ubuntu machine via ssh.   apparently i'm not in the sudoers file, how this happened, I have no idea.   is there any way for me to get full access without physically being at the machine?
[18:14] <sarnold> pjs: did you install the development headers too? build-essential?
[18:14] <sarnold> pjs: btw why are you rebuilding i3?
[18:15] <jnewt> i built the computer and installed ubuntu probably 2 years ago and it probably needs security updates (and who knows what else).
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> jnewt: No... that would defeat the purpose of the all the protections in place to prevent that sort of thing from happening
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> jnewt: The only remote way around it is to find someone else with an acocunt that is part of the sudoers list
[18:17] <jnewt> pragmaticenigma, there's only one user account that I know of.
[18:18] <pragmaticenigma> jnewt: then physical access will be required... so you can drop the machine in to the necassary mode so you can add yourself to the sudoers list
[18:19] <deadrom> Logitech H600 headset (USB dongle) on 18.04, no idea what changed, but sound playback used to be A-ok and now has weird little glitches and stutters. could use some help narrowing down the error. I think it's a a/v sync issue, which supports my theory that the issue arose when I went from "nvidia native" to "intel+nvidia". Dell M4800.
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> deadrom: I would attempt to go back to just the "nvidia native" state to see if it resolves
[18:19] <sarnold> jnewt: any chance it's got an ubuntu account or similar?
[18:20] <sarnold> jnewt: grep sudo /etc/group   # p[robably will do the job
[18:21] <deadrom> I just remembered that an nvidia dev once showed me an article on intel-nv syncing on laptops and how it's done and how a better sync option will come on 19.04 or 19.10.
[18:23] <pjs> sarnold: Oh yea. I've build i3 several times. I usually do it twice a month lol
[18:23] <pjs> sarnold: I run i3-gaps
[18:24] <sarnold> pjs: aha!
[18:24] <pjs> ruh roh
[18:24] <pjs> problem?
[18:24] <bieb>  have a 14.04lts server with WordPress. I need to upgrade to PHP5.6 or higher for gravityforms. Is there anything I should watch for on the WP front when doing the upgrade to 16.04? or later?
[18:24] <sarnold> no, it just makes sense now why you build it yourself ;)
[18:24] <pjs> hah
[18:24] <jnewt> sarnold: output is two lines from that: sudo:x:27:sudotemp    and    sudotemp:x:1007
[18:25] <sarnold> jnewt: can you log in as the sudotemp user?
[18:25] <sarnold> bieb: doublecheck if apache's access controls changed between those versions
[18:25] <sarnold> bieb: you may need to invest some time in changing apache configs, but I can't recall which version upgrade caused that change
[18:25] <jnewt> sarnold, logged in successfully
[18:25] <sarnold> pjs: can you pastebin where you're stuck?
[18:26] <sarnold> jnewt: yay :) now you add your user account to the sudo group -- or be happy to use this account instead
[18:26] <bieb> sarnold: thanks... you think its better to go 16.04 or 18.04
[18:26] <pjs> sarnold: sure, thanks: http://dpaste.com/3ASRFSW
[18:26] <bieb> would the short path avoid major changes?
[18:27] <sarnold> bieb: the supported upgrade path from 14.04 forward is to 16.04; if you want to keep going, then you'd do another round of upgrading to 18.04 next
[18:28] <sarnold> bieb: I think it'd be worth the double-upgrade, just beacuse 16.04 is going to EOL in ~13 months, you'll want to upgrade sooner or later..
[18:28] <bieb> sarnold: that makes sense too
[18:28] <lordcirth> bieb, I would seriously consider making a fresh server with 18.04 and moving your site to it
[18:28] <lordcirth> upgrading should work, but it never ends up quite the same
[18:29] <bieb> lordcirth: thanks
[18:30] <sarnold> pjs: try apt install libcairo2-dev  libpangocairo-1.0-0   and see if you get further
[18:32] <pjs> sarnold: same
[18:33] <sarnold> oh hah I managed to overlook that libpangocairo-1.0-0 was already installed. man this is going to be a long day..
[18:34] <pjs> hah yea. I thought maybe uninstall and reinstall but a lot of deps and don't feel like troubleshooting that crap all day
[18:35] <sarnold> oh strange. apt-file search /usr/share/pkgconfig/*pango* and /usr/share/pkgconfig/*cairo* don't find anything on my system
[18:41] <pjs> sarnold: well at least I learned of apt-file :)
[18:42] <ioria> pjs, sudo apt install libxcb1-dev libxcb-keysyms1-dev libpango1.0-dev libxcb-util0-dev libxcb-icccm4-dev libyajl-dev libstartup-notification0-dev libxcb-randr0-dev libev-dev libxcb-cursor-dev libxcb-xinerama0-dev libxcb-xkb-dev libxkbcommon-dev libxkbcommon-x11-dev autoconf xutils-dev libtool libxcb-shape0-dev
[18:46] <pjs> ioria: wow, did the job! thank you!
[18:46] <ioria> pjs, ok
[18:47] <sarnold> haha
[18:47] <sarnold> nice :D
[18:48] <Boyette> ioria my main problem is solved only my video performance is terrible
[18:48] <pjs> sarnold: lol yea most of those I had latest version but libpango1.0-dev (and a few others) I didn't.. weird it always worked. Maybe I accidentally removed it getting rid of something else
[18:48] <sarnold> pjs: I'm glad ioria knew the secret sauce :) I wish I knew where exactly I went wrong..
[18:53] <pjs> sarnold: all good.. thank you for your help as well.
[19:16] <Harlin> anyone else's graphics go bad after latest update? I've a x1 thinkpad and now my games are terrible and can't figure out why.
[19:17] <pjs> Harlin: I have an x1c6 but things seem normal. However, I don't game so maybe?
[19:29] <robertzaccour> howdy
[19:29] <robertzaccour> Where are the config files for snaps?
[19:31] <wingedrhino> robertzaccour, ~/snap/appname/current
[19:33] <robertzaccour> wingedrhino Ok thanks. I'm having performance issues with a snap and I want to copy the .config file to the repo config after installing it.
[19:42] <sukil> anybody knows how to go back to the gui with chvt command? (I can't use ctrl+alt+function keys for some reason, they do weird things, they never render consoles)
[19:43] <sukil> version 18.04.3
[19:46] <ioria> sukil, try with 2
[19:47] <ioria> sukil,  sudo chvt 2
[19:56] <sukil> thx
[19:56] <sukil> though i think this is buggy, chvt 1 returned me to the same session
[19:57] <sukil> unless i misstyped my password somehow
[19:57] <ioria> sukil,  1 should be gdm
[19:58] <cybertruck2077> Hey guys
[19:58] <cybertruck2077> I updated my vulkan/mesa drivers
[19:58] <sukil> oh, then that was expected
[19:58] <ioria> yep
[19:58] <cybertruck2077> I have 2 displays one connected to ATI card and one connected to onboard intel graphics
[19:58] <sukil> thx very much
[19:58] <cybertruck2077> Now the Intel monitor is not displaying nor showing up in Settings
[19:59] <ioria> no prob
[19:59] <cybertruck2077> when I do a hwls -C display I can still see both, though
[20:15] <Sven_vB> is there a way to throttle "apt update"? my xinetd feels required to block the proxy connection attempts "Deactivating service bpcd due to excessive incoming connections." even if I set its limits to allow 2500 simultaneous connections and connection attempts 512000 per second.
[20:16] <Sven_vB> (I have that xinetd in front because my regular proxy cannot handle that kind of traffic spikes.)
[20:16] <Sven_vB> using xenial
[20:17] <Sven_vB> err service name is not bpcd, just copied the error message from related https://www.veritas.com/content/support/en_US/article.100016857
[20:17] <Sven_vB> unfortunately their "solution" of increasing conns per sec didn't work for me
[20:18] <barg> when I run vnc4server or vncserver it starts new vnc servers.. how do I kill all vnc servers?
[20:19] <Sven_vB> barg, if you're lucky, each one starts its own process so you can "kill" or "killall" them as usual
[20:20] <barg> thanks
[20:41] <eelstrebor> i just did a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04.3 on a desktop but whenever i select system settings from any menu the screen locks instead of bringing up the system settings gui - a web search didn't bring up anything about this - anyone know what is causing this?
[20:42] <Sven_vB> on another note, another xenial problem: is there a way to disable support for the internal soundcard? or make pulseaudio pretend it doesn't exist?
[20:42] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: could it be lack of ram?
[20:45] <ioria> eelstrebor, start gnome-control-center from terminal ; if there's nothing, check kern.log ; probably a graphic driver issue
[20:46] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: i can think of three options to disable a certain device OTOH: (1) disable hardware in bios (if possible), (2) use vfio module to make Linux not use a given PCI device (by VID:DID), (3) blacklist any driver supporting it.
[20:47] <Sven_vB> right, I should have mentioned BIOS doesn't have an option for it.
[21:03] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I have an issue installing an Nvidia driver on an older machine which had 16.04 installed before where the nvidia driver worked flawlessy is there anything I can do to get it back running? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/mjZPmYdgyx/
[21:05] <Kali_Yuga> It has 18.04 on it now...?
[21:07] <Sven_vB> Kali_Yuga, what have you tried so far?
[21:07] <Sven_vB> oh maybe I should read the link
[21:08] <tomreyn> C73 [GeForce 7100 / nForce 630i] sounds oooold, i bet nvidia no longer supports it
[21:08] <Sven_vB> Kali_Yuga, try sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[21:09] <Kali_Yuga> Sven_vB: I will I'll be back in a few minutes gotta go somewhere quick...
[21:10] <Kali_Yuga> Sven_vB: Post Office
[21:10] <Sven_vB> hehe. no worries, I'm gonna stay and lurk as long as the freenode servers allow.
[21:16] <tomreyn> if the newer drivers in  bionic (>= 340.107) don't work, there's a 2017 build of 304.137 (which is EOL) at https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=bionic
[21:16] <tomreyn> and then there is nouveau
[21:27] <eelstrebor> tomreyn, the pc has 8 GB of memory
[21:27] <eelstrebor> gnome-control-center locks the screen also
[21:29] <octav1a> I saw a little ad for https://multipass.run/ on my server ssh session. I was severely disappointed that there was no fifth element reference on the website.
[21:29] <tomreyn> interesting, i've never heard of this. maybe check what was logged,a nd your keyboard shortcuts (if you're using any there)
[21:29] <tomreyn> eelstrebor: ^
[21:32] <eelstrebor> i'm not using keyboard shortcuts but i'll take a look at the logs.
[21:43] <Kali_Yuga> Sven_vB: autoinstall didn't work either
[21:47] <Kali_Yuga> same message
[21:49] <Kali_Yuga> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CKbPjCBv3B/
[21:55] <eelstrebor> i don't know which fixed the problem but i updated the kernel (from mainline) and firmware (from git)
[21:55] <eelstrebor> now it works fine
[21:57] <wendico> Hello, i installed wine-stable several times from Ubuntu Software and running sudo apt-get install command but i dont see wine on the installed software and i cant run exe files. On the ubuntu software i see wine as installed. Any clue? thank u
[21:58] <Ben64> wendico: you need to run exe files with wine, like "wine notepad.exe"
[21:59] <wendico> Ben64 Thank you, i went to downloaded folder and runned wine +program and worked
[22:47] <barg> When I try to VNC to ubuntu I get this grey screen with 3 checkboxes https://i.imgur.com/NBN5R1A.png
[22:47] <barg> (to ubuntu via VNC)
[22:48] <barg> I have tried some suggestions I read online but one doesn't change anything, I still get the grey screen and 3 checkboxes, one gives me the grey screen without the three checkboxes, and one gives me a grid!
[22:49] <barg> like https://i.imgur.com/Xb2LF66.png
[22:49] <barg> that's following various suggestions on how to amend vnc's xstartup file
[22:51] <oerheks> 'various suggestions'.. interesting
[22:52] <barg> well, I can elaborate
[22:53] <barg> i'm trying to set up vnc, this is my xstartup file, https://pastebin.com/raw/AfF2bqxQ   I think that's the default one.. I get the same error as mentioned  at these links
[22:54] <barg> https://askubuntu.com/questions/172384/vnc-grey-screen-and-start-on-boot-12-04  and https://askubuntu.com/questions/800302/vncserver-grey-screen-ubuntu-16-04-lts and https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/vnc-viewer-showing-only-grey-screen-with-3-checkboxes-899386/
[22:55] <barg> so I start the thing  https://pastebin.com/raw/qYJePvxF then on the windows side  I run vncviewer from realvnc
[22:55] <barg> I connect to my IP:5901  or IP:1 and  I get this grey screen with three checkboxes https://i.imgur.com/NBN5R1A.png "accept clipboard from viewers", "send clipboard to viewers", "send primary selection to viewers"
[22:55] <sarnold> Log file is /home/ubuntu/.vnc/ubuntu:1.log
[22:55] <sarnold> what's in that file?>
[22:57] <barg> https://pastebin.com/raw/7YCHiDgq
[22:59] <sarnold> hmm. I was hoping there'd be *some* kind of explanation why that terminal didn't start..
[23:00] <oerheks> is this on 16.04 or 18.04?
[23:01] <barg> 18.04.03
[23:01] <barg> there's a suggestion here that I haven't tried yet https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51415427/whats-wrong-with-my-vncserver-setting
[23:05] <oerheks> add the last 4 lines 14-17 on your xstartup, and restart vnc https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/remote-desktop/install-vnc-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[23:06] <tripelb> 18.04 HP laptop realtek wifi. It hardly saw any wifi. I did some method and now it seems none. There is THIS https://askubuntu.com/questions/1058379/wifi-signal-is-weak-in-ubuntu-18-04-with-rtl8723be suggested method.  BUT what if I upgrade to 18.10? Will that just reload them? (better ones?)
[23:06] <tripelb> Seems >> sees
[23:06] <barg> re that stackoverflow 51415427 link that gives a grey screen with no checkboxes..
[23:07] <barg> oerheks: will try your suggestion..
[23:08] <barg> oerheks: i'll try the whole xstartup from there 'cos i've changed my xstartup a number of times so probably safer that way
[23:08] <sarnold> tripelb: try 19.10 instead, 18.10 hasn't received any updates for ~nine months
[23:08] <oerheks> tripelb, you could try !hwe , but first, that rtl is a known troublemaker, did you add "options rtl8723be ant_sel=1" to the boot config?
[23:09] <oerheks> !hwe
[23:09] <sarnold> tripelb: go with oerheks's suggestion first :)
[23:09] <tripelb> If I go to 1910 then I erase the partition (bitch bitch groan)
[23:11] <tripelb> No I didn't but I did some stuff from a source ¡I cannot find again! .. I wrote it all down on a card I can't do d either so it has been munged.
[23:11] <tripelb> I do declare it is a mess. I need home wifi.
[23:11] <tripelb> I am thinking to go over to UCLA tonight and find Ethernet.
[23:12] <barg> oerheks: I get a grey screen with no checkboxes, and the log says https://pastebin.com/raw/7tDKcagX
[23:12] <tripelb> Adds option to boot config anyway... Just a sec and I will reboot. (I am on a phone here)
[23:12] <sarnold> /home/ubuntu/.vnc/xstartup: 15: /home/ubuntu/.vnc/xstartup: gnome-settings-daemon: not found
[23:13] <sarnold> at least it's nice to know that file is *doing* something :)
[23:14] <tripelb> Oops I am on the recovery menu. What do I choose to edit the boot menu?
[23:16] <sarnold> from the grub screen, 'e' to edit an entry, that's the easiest way to test something once
[23:17] <tripelb> Which is the grub screen windows Ubuntu Ubuntu recover choices sarnold?
[23:18] <sarnold> tripelb: I think that menu is about twelve seconds too late :) you may need to hold down left shift or something similar when booting
[23:36] <Miles8of9> what kernel is used in ubuntu 20.04?
[23:36] <Miles8of9> wrong chan!!! i know sorry
[23:48] <tripelb> I had made a bunch of partitions. I want to go to disk utility to name one and use it for backup. I don't see it in the application tree. I am not sure which de I have. I have 4 workspaces.  How do I find disk utilities. Search gives no results. There IS ah MATE disk usage analyzer, disk usage analyzer, and startup disk creator. (I feel so dumb)
[23:58] <johnjay> is the proper course on ubuntu 18 to install "steam-installer" as opposed to steam?
[23:58] <johnjay> that's what this QA says to do: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031136/steam-crashes-on-launch-18-04