[00:24] <robertparkerx> Has anyone used autodl plugin for ruTorrent/rTorrent? I got connection refused error but I put the port rTorrent is listening on and I get Error getting files listing: Error: Could not decode json string
[00:25] <fructose> johnjay: I use steam
[00:26] <johnjay> fructose: how did you install it? with snap or apt-get?
[00:27] <johnjay> that link says that the "steam-installer" is the actual package... which is confusing
[00:29] <fructose> johnjay: apt
[00:29] <johnjay> what does dpkg -l | grep steam report?
[02:21] <lrb> I'm trying to install libexif12:i386 as a dependency somewhere for Wine on 19.10 and I'm getting this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y9srzp8Szm/
[02:21] <lrb> Any thoughts on why that might be?
[02:24] <sarnold> try apt install libexif12:i386 libexif12:amd64   -- you need to keep both versions IDENTICAL because they share a file: /usr/share/doc/libexif12/NEWS.gz
[02:26] <lrb> The 64-bit version is already installed as a gnome dep. That didn't do it.
[02:27] <sarnold> but are they the exact same version?
[02:27] <lrb> Strangly, reinsyalling the 64-bit version seems to have resolved it.
[02:27] <lrb> Yeah, they were.
[02:27] <sarnold> weird. I wonder how that happened.
[02:38] <cgi> how do i scale my display between 100% and 200% ? Display only lets me use those two values
[02:38] <ryuo> cgi: you don't. gnome3 doesn't support fractional scaling.
[02:39] <sarnold> wow really?
[02:39] <ryuo> yes, but they're working on it. when it'll be ready is beyond me.
[02:40] <ryuo> note this isn't the same thing as the text scaling
[02:40] <ryuo> feature
[02:40] <oerheks> 19.10 got better scaling, now?
[02:40] <sarnold> interesting. I thought I'd heard something existed but that might have been a different toolkit
[02:40] <lotuspsychje> there's a com/ubuntu/user-interface in dconf-edit you can edit (in 20.04) but didnt test a value yet
[02:41] <lotuspsychje> dconf-editor that is
[02:41] <oerheks> per 25%
[02:41] <ryuo> cgi: perhaps you can find a compromise between UI scaling and text scaling.
[02:41] <cgi> ryuo, how do i increase the default font size? At 4k, my tiny laptop isn't readable anymore - is my problem
[02:41] <ryuo> cgi: did you try first switching to 200% scaling?
[02:41] <ryuo> how does that work for you?
[02:42] <ph88> how do i set display scale to something else than 100% or 200% ??
[02:42] <ryuo> ph88: you don't, at least if you're wanting to scale nearly everything.
[02:42] <oerheks> upgrade to 19.10 ..
[02:42] <sarnold> I just selected a HUGE font in my ~/.Xresources : URxvt.font:	x:terminus-18,xft:PT Mono-14
[02:42] <ph88> i'm on 19.10
[02:42] <oerheks> this is also a beta feature http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2019/10/how-to-enable-fractional-scaling-in-ubuntu-19-10-eoan/
[02:43] <ryuo> cgi: you can probably change the fonts in the... settings part of gnome3.
[02:43] <ryuo> cgi: the ui scaling is under displays afaik
[02:43] <ryuo> cgi: i'd use ui scaling first. if that's not enough, then tweak the font settings as well.
[02:44] <ryuo> (since ui scaling scales everything while font settings only do fonts)
[02:45] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: that experimental feature shows in 20.04 here by default
[02:46] <ph88> thanks for the link oerheks
[02:48] <chris349> How do I disable key verification for a repo in sources.list.d
[02:48] <chris349> For whatever reason the required key isnt found on keyserver.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <oerheks> chris349, most likely, that repo has no candidates for your ubuntu version
[02:49] <oerheks> check launchpad.
[02:50] <chris349> oerheks, That does not answer my question at all. I have a repo I want to use. How do I configure apt-get to allow me to use it
[02:52] <oerheks> care to elaborate what repo?
[02:52] <chris349> https://ookla.bintray.com/debian
[02:53] <chris349> It says to get the key 370CE192D401AB61 from keyserver.ubuntu.com but that key does not exist there
[02:53] <chris349> Therefore I just want the quickest solution: Tell apt to bypass the key
[02:54] <sarnold> I think [trusted=yes] may do it
[02:54] <cgi> ryuo, The problem is that there are just too many fonts and their sizes, scaling some settings leads to increase in font size for one but not the other. I mainly need font size increase for window test rendering (text that appears on top of windows)
[02:54] <sarnold> but it'd be better to get the key from an SKS keyserver peer
[02:54] <oerheks> you could edit the list ; deb [trusted=yes] http:/ ....  version main"  The trusted option is what turns off the GPG check. See man 5 sources.list
[02:54] <sarnold> if you're going to give someone else root on your computer you should at least make sure you've giving it to whom you expect
[02:55] <chris349> Why would ubuntu delete the key?
[02:55] <sarnold> hmm. I expected to find it on an SKS keyserver.. http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?search=370CE192D401AB61&fingerprint=on&op=index
[02:57] <Bashing-om> sarnold: "gpg --search-key 370CE192D401AB61 >> gpg: error searching keyserver: No data ; gpg: keyserver search failed: No data" :(
[02:57] <cgi> ryuo, https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/a11y-font-size.html.en - large size text does not cut it - I need larger - and it wont let me change font size. Any ideas?
[02:57] <chris349> I made a typo, its 379CE192D401AB61 and if you google that you see lots of projects use that same jey
[02:59] <Bashing-om> chris349: Valid return: gpg --search-key 379CE192D401AB61 .
[02:59] <chris349> and no deb [trusted=yes] does not work
[03:01] <chris349> gpg --search-key returns a random server, 192.146.137.99
[03:01] <swift110> hey all
[03:01] <chris349> When I plug that ingo the apt-key adv command it says: gpg keyserver recieve failed: general error
[03:01] <chris349> And if I go on that URL in my browser and search the key it gives ma a 504 gateway timeout
[03:02] <sarnold> chris349: after this event last year, a huge number of gpg keyservers were torn down because they were being actively abused https://gist.github.com/rjhansen/67ab921ffb4084c865b3618d6955275f
[03:03] <chris349> So it works with hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80
[03:03] <chris349> But that broke another repo!!!
[03:03] <sarnold> chris349: when they were replaced, they were replaced with a different server entirely https://keys.openpgp.org/about/news
[03:04] <sarnold> and that other server has more requirements -- something like, each email address can have only one key, each key requires an email address; I'm not sure what else it requires, but it's entirely possible that the key for the bintray repo doesn't fit the criteria of the new keyserver software
[03:05] <ph88> how can i put my laptop in hibernate ?
[03:05] <cgi> ph88, click alt, and then look at the power button
[03:06] <ph88> cgi, i just tried this. I think it's just doing suspend because lights keep flashing
[03:07] <sarnold> once upon a time ubuntu disabled the hibernate options from menu entries. I don't know if we kept doing that or not
[03:08] <sarnold> try systemd-sleep hibernate
[03:08] <ph88> ok
[03:08] <ph88> zsh: command not found: systemd-sleep
[03:10] <sarnold> oh weird. I should know better than to just trust manpages :( sorry.
[03:12] <ph88> i couldn't find a help page about it
[03:12] <ph88> this one came up in search https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[03:29] <gambl0re> anyone know whats causing this in chromium browser when the Open file window
[03:29] <gambl0re> https://i.imgur.com/pVztTP4.png
[03:30] <sarnold> gambl0re: check: dmesg | grep DENIED
[03:30] <gambl0re> returns nothing
[03:31] <gambl0re> also in Firefox it displays fine
[03:31] <sarnold> bugger, that means my guess was wrong. heh.
[03:31] <sarnold> not a good streak for me tonight.
[03:31] <gambl0re> you should learn more linux
[03:31] <sarnold> so very true.
[03:32] <oerheks> sure, we all eed to know all about fedora 31
[03:32] <oerheks> *hips*
[03:32] <sarnold> like, the list of things I ought to know better is staggering
[03:33]  * Bashing-om feels so crushed - I *DID* think sarnold knew everything :P
[03:35] <sarnold> heh :)
[03:35] <gambl0re> anyone can help me?
[05:59] <ax562> hello
[06:01] <ax562> I recently installed ubuntu 18.04 lts.  I added "Plank" whick is a custom dock.  It was buggy on my system.  I went back to the gnome stock dock and now when I have "autohide" enabled it doesn't hit my dock.  Any ideas? ty
[06:02] <ax562> lol, I tried to enable and now it works.
[06:03] <ax562> It didn't work all last night after relogins, resets, shutdowns etc
[06:03] <ax562> my lucky day :P
[06:05] <AurorAWOL> Hi. I am having trouble mounting a drive. I was using scrub and in the middle of the operation the power went out. Then my drive showed up as having a capacity of 54z. So I used all the commands here. https://www.linux.com/tutorials/how-format-storage-devices-linux/ I updated fstab but no matter what I do I can't get it to mount again.
[06:08] <akemhp> AurorAWOL, Isn't scrub usage especially for not being able to recover files?
[06:09] <AurorAWOL> Yeah. it just writes over them with random stuff
[06:10] <AurorAWOL> Though I scrubbed it. reformatted it. now I just cant get it to mount again
[06:10] <akemhp> AurorAWOL, try: fdisk /dev/disk -l 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:10] <akemhp> Replace "disk" with the device.
[06:11] <akemhp> Like "sdb" or something.
[06:11] <AurorAWOL> What does that do?
[06:12] <akemhp> List the partitions on the disk and output a link so you can paste it here for us to see.
[06:13] <AurorAWOL> https://termbin.com/6s4v2
[06:13] <AurorAWOL> oops
[06:13] <akemhp> sorry you need sudo
[06:13] <AurorAWOL> https://termbin.com/mqzd
[06:13] <akemhp> like: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[06:13] <AurorAWOL> yeah lol
[06:13] <AurorAWOL> omg lol im so sorry
[06:14] <AurorAWOL> https://termbin.com/2fm6
[06:14] <AurorAWOL> there lol
[06:16] <akemhp> Try as root: mkdir /mnt/sdb1 && mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:18] <AurorAWOL> even if i do that as root it still will say mount: only root can do that
[06:19] <akemhp> ?
[06:19] <akemhp> Do it anyway just so we can see the output or if there is anything else.
[06:19] <akemhp> do: sudo su
[06:20] <akemhp> Before typing the command.
[06:21] <AurorAWOL> Wait. that worked.
[06:21] <AurorAWOL> It mounted
[06:21] <akemhp> Cool.
[06:22] <AurorAWOL> so dev/sdb1 is the new mount point?
[06:23] <AurorAWOL> sorry /mnt/sdb1 *
[06:23] <akemhp> AurorAWOL, /dev/sdb1 is the device for the partition on the disk, and /mnt/sdb1 is the current mount point.
[06:23] <akemhp> Yeah.
[06:24] <AurorAWOL> UUID=6ceb630d-e0cc-4fdc-8a3c-0f4c7bc81771 /mnt/sdb    auto nosuid,nodev,nofail,x-gvfs-show 0 0
[06:24] <AurorAWOL>  is what i was using in fstab
[06:27] <AurorAWOL> does this have something to do with it akemhp ? https://pastebin.com/LRjv07i1
[06:29] <cybertruck2077> I have nuked my xorg.conf.d from orbit.
[06:30] <cybertruck2077> Because of this unholy setup of onboard integrated gpu output to one monitor and ATI GPU to another.
[06:30] <cybertruck2077> Winners don't do that, just use one GPU for both, I'm buying a DVI-HDMI converter soon.  Thanks for reading my blog.
[06:31] <akemhp> AurorAWOL, The block id is maybe wrong? you can also use /dev/sdb1 instead if the device remains as secondary disk.
[06:31] <AurorAWOL> Thank you for your help akemp
[06:32] <AurorAWOL> akemhp, * Gosh its late. So many typos
[06:32] <akemhp> AurorAWOL, np.
[06:34] <AurorAWOL> The only thing I am wondering is why it was created as a secondary
[06:37] <zamba> i have freshly installed ubuntu system running gnome-session-flashback (metacity) on a i5-9500T @ 2.20GHz with 16 GB RAM.. every time i do any I/O intensive tasks (like for instance grepping in large file), the mouse pointer becomes jerky and partially unresponsive
[06:42] <wahdizzit> Hello, I have been trying to create a live, persistent USB, and cannot get it to boot. I have used mkusb on a Linux machine, and Rufus on a win machine. No matter what it fails after grub when booting on the win machine.
[06:42] <wahdizzit> Seems like some uefi issue, but I've never had it before.
[06:43] <tomreyn> wahdizzit: fails how? does it work on  another system? does the affected system boot from a default ubuntu live / install system?
[06:45] <wahdizzit> The screen goes black with something like "invalid input". The host system is a working win7 machine.
[06:46] <tomreyn> zamba: which ubuntu version? is there anything on its logs about it when it happens (journalctl -f   # ctrl-c to cancel), are there serious errors reported in general (journalctl -b -p3)
[06:47] <tomreyn> wahdizzit: which graphics card is it? and (again) does a standard ubuntu live / installer system boot fine off it?
[06:47] <zamba> tomreyn: 19.04
[06:47] <tomreyn> !19.04 | zamba
[06:47] <zamba> tomreyn: in fact, this happens on all the systems i have installed.. so i wonder if i'm doing something wrong when installing
[06:48] <zamba> tomreyn: 19.10, sorry
[06:48] <wahdizzit> tomreyn: it is nvidia 1050 I think. I haven't tried a nonpersistent live USB if that's what you're asking.
[06:49] <tomreyn> zamba: if it affects multiple systems with different hardware then it's more likely to be a software error. search launchpad.net for related bugs (or report one using ubuntu-bug). it's probably gnome-flashback / metacity related then.
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> wahdizzit: GTX cards are known to need a !nomodeset bypass sometimes
[06:50] <wahdizzit> lotuspsychje: OK I will look that up
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset
[06:50] <tomreyn> wahdizzit: if this is an uefi booting system you can just select the "failsafe graphics" option on the boot menu
[06:54] <AurorAWOL> Sorry to bug again but I can't find an answer. When this SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" PARTUUID is on one of my drives is that caused by the formatting process? Normally I wouldn't care but every so often the UUID changes and it's very annoying.
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> !uuid | AurorAWOL can this help?
[06:57] <AurorAWOL> Thanks lotuspsychje . However I am just trying to find out what I am doing wrong in the formatting and partitioning part. I know it's not hardware related cause I have 2 of the exact same drives and the other one just shows up as TYPE="ext3"
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> ah
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> then you need
[06:58] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | AurorAWOL
[06:58] <wahdizzit> neither failsafe or the nomodeset option worked. There is a brief message to the effect of "couldn't get size" "modsign couldn't get uefi db size"
[06:58] <AurorAWOL> I guess I might try gparted. I have been using parted
[07:00] <AurorAWOL> It's just strange to me its creating a sec ext2 and a 3...
[07:00] <AurorAWOL> Anyway. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[07:01] <zamba> tomreyn: could it be synergy?
[07:03] <tomreyn> zamba: could be, try without and you'll know
[07:08] <wahdizzit> Weird though, in failsafe mode my TV says "no signal". In normal boot mode it says " invalid format"
[07:18] <cybertruck2077> Hey guys, I'm using Ubuntu 19.10 here, my OS completely ignores my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amdgpu.conf settings
[07:28] <cybertruck2077> what does the number before *-amdgpu.conf mean?
[07:29] <cybertruck2077> like /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-amdgpu.conf vs /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amdgpu.conf?
[07:34] <EriC^^> Cyber_Akuma: usually those stuff are kind of just so that you can have multiple files
[07:43] <tomreyn> cybertruck2077: i think the above response was to you. this isa bit of a convention, you'll find mutliple *.d directories in /etc. often you'll have a single main configuration file, e.g. "config", which configurations in "config.d/" are appended to (or may overwrite, this can differ by software). the software will usually read the files in the *.d/ directory in alphanumerical order, so 10... comes first, then 20..., then a... etc, and in the
[07:43] <tomreyn> end it just cocatenates all of those in this order.
[07:43] <tomreyn> (and then interprets them)
[07:55] <AurorAWOL> in "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 2>&1" what does the "2>&1" mean?
[07:57] <ducasse> AurorAWOL: redirect stderr to stdout
[07:58] <ducasse> AurorAWOL: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/818255/in-the-shell-what-does-21-mean
[07:58] <AurorAWOL> Thank you ducasse
[07:59] <AurorAWOL> Ive been away from everything for about 4 years. It's amazing what you can forget.
[08:24] <urxtnw> when a new release is out, 20.04 let's say, do you dist-upgrade, or do people just fresh install?
[08:28] <ducasse> !upgrade | urxtnw
[08:28] <cybertruck2077> urxtnw, isn't that pretty experimental though?
[08:29] <urxtnw> cybertruck2077, what's experimental?
[08:31] <oerheks> just upgrading should be fine; just prepare a fresh iso on usb before start
[08:32] <urxtnw> oerheks, but in the past, maybe in 2012 or so I remember it breaking. Isn't there a risk?
[08:33] <ducasse> urxtnw: there's always a risk, which is why we have backups and live images
[08:33] <oerheks> maybe it did for you, that one time?
[08:33] <ducasse> urxtnw: i've upgraded tons of machines without issues
[08:34] <urxtnw> ducasse, but under the hood, will some configs get overwritten and some packages left over?
[08:34] <urxtnw> ducasse, also if I have an ubuntu minimal install, will it just upgrade my current packages and not install anything extra?
[08:35] <ducasse> it will ask before overwriting configs.
[08:36] <ducasse> it will upgrade current packages. if any dependencies have been added, they will be installed
[08:37] <urxtnw> ah, that's awesome. Thanks, ducasse. I've always done a fresh install since that break.
[08:39] <ducasse> fresh install is safer, of course, and might be just as quick depending on how much config you have to do
[08:41] <urxtnw> ducasse, what do you mean by config? just general configs i've manually done in my system?
[08:42] <ducasse> yes, services you need to set up etc
[08:45] <urxtnw> ducasse, are there many people who have minimal ubuntu installs? for example bare bones net install, much like how Arch does it?
[08:45] <urxtnw> when you install ubunutu it configures a lot of things by itself. When you do that do you have to configure it?
[08:46] <urxtnw> ducasse, like using this https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/install.en.pdf
[08:47] <ducasse> i use a minimal install myself, to which i add x11, i3 and the tools i need. what i mean is that if you're setting up a web server, you need to add the content etc
[08:48] <urxtnw> ducasse, how did you learn how to do that, is it hard? is it a lot of configuring? does it take a lot of time?
[08:51] <Dirkos> Im trying to mount a SMB share however it keeps coming up as root:root instead of a valid user (my own user)
[08:51] <Dirkos> sudo mount -t cifs -o rw,vers=3.0 //192.168.100.100/vagrantbox /media/project
[08:51] <Dirkos> The files on the share are owned by vagrant:vagrant and /media/project is owner by dirkos:dirkos
[08:52] <ducasse> urxtnw: learnt by doing over many years. it's not hard if you follow the documentation. setting up a webserver is just a matter of creating a couple of configuration files, adding the content and issuing a few commands. there are many step-by-step guides online
[08:57] <TJ-> Dirkos: see "man mount.cifs" and 'uid' description. Default is UID 0 (root) ownership
[09:07] <stef> there's channel for C programming ?
[09:07] <ducasse> !alis | stef
[09:08] <stef> thank u
[09:54] <gareppa> since a couple on days, ubuntu 19.10 on my machine gets stuck for 1min40sec circa at boot
[09:54] <gareppa> on "remove stale online ext4 metadata check snapshots". it's a laptop, i tried remove/insert the ssd with no success
[09:54] <gareppa> does anyone else have this problem? i'm using full disk encryption. smart tests and regular ssd usage are 100% ok
[09:55] <ducasse> gareppa: pastebin the output of 'systemd-analyze blame'
[09:57] <gareppa> https://hastebin.com/wiliqohesa.sql
[09:58] <ducasse> hmmm... no indication there
[10:23] <Mrokii> Hello. I have a problem with an old CD-ROM. I am pretty sure I burned it maybe about ten years ago on a Mac with Roxio Toast. When I insert that CD K3b shows me that it's an 9660-filesystem, but no further deatils are shown (apart from volume size being shown as "0 B (0 B * 0 blocks = 0 B)
[10:23] <Mrokii> "
[10:24] <ducasse> a ten year old cd-r might no longer be readable, they degrade
[10:24] <Mrokii> I guess so, yes, but I have another one from the same timeframe that is readable.
[10:24] <rory> I hope my Feisty Fawn CD with my hand-drawn artwork still works
[10:26] <SimonNL> try different readers Mrokii
[10:26] <Mrokii> SimonNL: Different readers? Like what?
[10:26] <SimonNL> CD devices
[10:26] <Mrokii> Ah, okay.
[10:26] <Mrokii> SimonNL: Thanks, I'll try.
[10:28] <Mrokii> It *may* be that there is some kind of encryption involved that I just forgot about... I think Toast had something like that, but I'm not sure. The k3b-output rather suggests damage, I think.
[10:31] <ducasse> iso9660 itself has no support for encryption afaik, so the files would probably just be encrypted on top of the filesystem. my guess is they would still be visible
[10:31] <tommy``> hey, how can i check how many video drivers i've installed on my 18.04? I suspect could be some conflicts
[10:35] <Ben64> tommy``: it doesn't really work like that, what's the problem you're having
[10:37] <tommy``> Ben64: strange behaviour, sometimes on browser hardware acceleration works (i can hear the fan of video card that works), sometimes no, and to fix i've to change video driver from "software and upgrades"
[10:50] <tommy``> Ben64: i've installed mesa-utils to check this: glxinfo | grep "direct rendering"
[10:50] <tommy``> and it says yes
[10:51] <Ben64> ok
[10:51] <TJ-> tommy``: which browser, or more than one? is the system optimus (dual GPUs) ?
[10:52] <tommy``> TJ, i tested, chrome, chromium, bravebrowser i've a quad core and nvidia gtx550ti
[10:52] <tommy``> now i tested krunker.io browser game and it's fluently, but sometimes i have 1-2fps
[10:53] <tommy``> i also noticed that on youtube videos that seems stuttering
[10:53] <tommy``> i tried reboot many times but the only solution was to set video driver as X-Forge and then put back nvidia-390
[10:53] <tommy``> why this?
[10:53] <tommy``> X-Org*
[10:55] <tommy``> it could be "discord" related issue?
[10:56] <brainwash> you tell us
[10:57] <brainwash> did you monitor CPU usage yet?
[10:58] <tommy``> discord now is 0.3 0.7%
[10:58] <tommy``> cpu
[10:59] <tommy``> i checked with top command
[11:00] <brainwash> you only tested with chrome-based web browsers, so maybe give firefox a try also
[11:01] <tommy``> no, also firefox some days ago
[11:03] <brainwash> to me it looks like there is no issue other than something hogging resources from time to time
[11:04] <brainwash> or is that a permanent state?
[11:05] <brainwash> meaning that once the problem occurs, it stays until you change something?
[11:05] <tommy``> it changes only if switch between driver x-org and nvidia-390
[11:05] <tommy``> i noticed that yesterday
[11:06] <tommy``> if i reboot only doens't change
[11:06] <tommy``> so i thought that maybe there is some driver conflicts
[11:06] <brainwash> what would trigger the conflict? and when?
[11:07] <brainwash> how and when do you go from a working state to a broken one?
[11:07] <tommy``> i dunno, i came back home 2 days ago, pc was in idle-state for about 8-9 days and i found like that
[11:08] <brainwash> suspend/hibernate as cause?
[11:08] <brainwash> could be
[11:08] <tommy``> no no, i not suspended/hibernate, i only power off monitor
[11:08] <tommy``> and leave home
[11:09] <tommy``> i disabled that options from settings
[11:10] <brainwash> pretty odd
[11:10] <TJ-> tommy``: does it occur with anything that doesn't rely on network connectivity? could this be a symptom of high-latency/dropped packets ?
[11:11] <tommy``> TJ mmmh i have fiber connection that is pretty good i don't think so
[11:12] <tommy``> the fact is that works perfect after switching drivers
[11:12] <TJ-> tommy``: have you examined logs for clues?
[11:12] <TJ-> tommy``: e.g. "journalctl -b 0 -p warning" when it happens might reveal some clue
[11:12] <tommy``> trying TJ
[11:15] <tommy``> I've installed Pi-Hole it could be a problem?
[11:31] <ph88> how can i put my laptop in hibernate ?
[11:44] <tomreyn> systemctl hibernate     or whichever options you have to trigger this on the GUI.
[11:44] <tomreyn> ph88: ^
[11:44] <lokesh_> hi, I removed a directory using the command 'rm -rf <file>' in ubuntu. Is there any way to recover that directory?
[11:46] <ducasse> lokesh_: maybe extundelete
[11:46] <ph88> tomreyn, i get this message: Failed to hibernate system via logind: Not enough swap space for hibernation
[11:47] <ducasse> lokesh_: if it is an ext* filesystem
[11:47] <lokesh_> @ducasse, how to check the filesystem?
[11:47] <ducasse> lokesh_: 'mount'
[11:49] <tomreyn> ph88: that's because your system does not have enough swap space for hibernation
[11:50] <tomreyn> (i assume you wanted me to say so)
[11:51] <lokesh_> @ducasse, yes my sytems is ext4 filesystem
[11:52] <ducasse> lokesh_: then it might or might not work, depending on whether you've written to the filesystem after deleting
[11:55] <user217_> hello. can somebody help my with wrong keyboard input? I get two different charecters after one keypress. For example: when I push "gh" I get "g4h7" and other different strange behavior. The keayboard is new but chip
[11:56] <lokesh_> @ducasse: I did not write anything after deleting the files. I have installed couple of recovery tools, will that be a problem?
[11:56] <ducasse> might be, if you installed to the same fs
[11:58] <lokesh_> @ducasse: any other suggestion then?
[12:01] <ducasse> not really, if extundelete can't do it i doubt other tools will
[12:04] <lokesh_> @ducasse: I'm finding difficulty in installing extundelete
[12:06] <ducasse> lokesh_: i'd do it from a live image to avoid writing to the filesystem
[12:11] <ph88> tomreyn, ok but isn't there a help page that walks me through the process to setup hibernate with swap file and all other things needed ?
[12:12] <tomreyn> !swap
[12:12] <ducasse> ph88: just make sure you have enough swap space, whether that is a partition or a file
[12:15] <ph88> ok
[12:16] <ph88> how much swap space do i need ?
[12:16] <TJ-> ph88: for Hibernation? a rule of thumb is 1.25 x system RAM
[12:17] <ph88> can it be compressed ?
[12:22] <marz_d`ghostman> I have a monitor connected to HDMI and it
[12:23] <marz_d`ghostman> it's working fine; however, my second monitor connected to the usb port-c is not. Is there an additional configuration I need to do for thiso ne?
[12:30] <surgy> https://join.robinhood.com/derekm1406
[12:31] <ducasse> surgy: no spam here please
[12:33] <surgy> ducasse my bad wrong tab.
[12:34] <surgy> ducasse how are you?
[12:46] <lotuspsychje> im getting high fan blow on 18.04 with kernel 5.3 and errors like these: http://dpaste.com/3TT1PM1 on intel NUC i7 with firmware up to date to latest. htop only shows gnome-shell ontop a bit, nothing unusual
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> the fan settings in bios, i tested bot on normal, and quiet mode
[12:47] <lotuspsychje> both
[12:51] <surgy> lotuspsychje
[12:51] <lotuspsychje> surgy: please dont highlight random nicknames, this channel is for ubuntu support only
[12:52] <surgy> lotuspsychje i need support though
[12:52] <ducasse> !ask | surgy
[12:53] <zerowalker_w> anyone know some easy guide to setup a preseed? i would like stuff like keyboard layout, dns servers etc to be set?
[12:54] <surgy> how do i execute a custom bash script on startup?
[12:55] <ducasse> the best way is probably to create a systemd service
[12:57] <ioria> lotuspsychje, runsensors to cobfirm the issue
[12:57] <ioria> lotuspsychje,  ' watch sensors '
[13:02] <lotus|NUC> ioria: 89c
[13:03] <ioria> high
[13:03] <lotus|NUC> yeah
[13:03] <lotus|NUC> cant link anything that could cause it
[13:04] <ioria> not software, maybe hardware
[13:05] <lotus|NUC> ioria: updated firmware this morning but no dice
[13:05] <ioria> firmware it's not hardware :þ
[13:05] <lotus|NUC> right
[13:05] <ioria> lotus|NUC, https://superuser.com/questions/1363932/intel-nuc-overheating-hot-video-stuttering
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:06] <lotus|NUC> ioria: tnx i could try that
[13:06] <ioria> ok
[13:08] <TJ-> lotus|NUC: have you tried booting to just the initrd and manually monitoring the temps via sys nodes - that'd helpd determine if some setting applied by userspace is the cause
[13:08] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: not yet no, how do i go about
[13:09] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: at GRUB add "break=init" that'll then drop to busybox shell just before it would normall switch to real root. There you can repeatedly do "grep . /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp" to check progress of temps
[13:10] <rory> surgy: do you want the script to run when the system boots? or when you log into your user?
[13:10] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: good idea
[13:12] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: sounds like a kernel regression though, could be build-time CONFIG settings in the Ubuntu build. If you still get high temps in initrd, then I'd suggest installing the equivalent mainline 5.3 build and see if it also suffers - if so, it's an upstream regression, not Ubuntu specific
[13:12] <surgy> rory i want it to run during TP
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i also suspect kernel, never had on previous kernels before, the NUC is a year old..
[13:14] <rory> surgy: what is TP?
[13:18] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: this looks very relevant; especiall the "every 5 minutes" part matches your log. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1168424/weird-cpu-clock-throttled-syslog-message
[13:20] <daft_dutch> if i have a Ubuntu live system on a usb stick. and i do a reboot. the proces stops asking to remove the usb drive.
[13:21] <daft_dutch> How can i prevent that that question is asked. I want a reboot without manual questions. (test automation)
[13:22] <tatertots> install ubuntu on to a computer
[13:22] <daft_dutch> anything more rebooting than echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[13:22] <pragmaticenigma> daft_dutch: What are you testing?
[13:23] <daft_dutch> a usb live image. for students to provide a secure exam test system on there own laptop
[13:24] <daft_dutch> I configure the backend. make remote connection to a windows laptop. execute windows tooling. to create and register a linux usb stick. reboot the windows. boot into linux test the linux system. reboot
[13:24] <TJ-> daft_dutch: check out the 'casper' source package; it had/s a script /etc/rc6.d/*casper that triggers that - there may be a kernel command-line option to disable it. You could also extract the installer squashfs and remove those files and rebuild it so you have a custom live image
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> daft_dutch: I would second TJ- recommendation of creating a custom live image. Due to the nature of the Live instance of Ubuntu, it will not prevent them from accessing their local machine and/or other components of the OS
[13:27] <daft_dutch> it is a custom live image. but i am a tester not a developer. dont have control of the image other than ssh at some point
[13:32] <pragmaticenigma> daft_dutch: If you are testing/qa the image... I would recommend you go back to the development team and suggest the change. Otherwise you're change invalidates what you are testing
[13:32] <ioria> daft_dutch, ctrl+c
[13:35] <daft_dutch> There are already several must fix issues for this test automation.
[13:35] <daft_dutch> but thanks i keep using echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger.
[13:36] <TJ-> daft_dutch: aha, add "noprompt" to kernel command line
[13:36] <TJ-> daft_dutch: see source-code, bin/casper-stop, line 74
[13:38] <daft_dutch> TJ- what source package can i find that?
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: im in break=init, added the thermal line, underscore is blinking now
[13:43] <TJ-> daft_dutch: in 'casper' but it's just a shell script so you'd also be able to look at it in the live image itself, presumably as /bin/casper-stop
[13:43] <TJ-> daft_dutch: or in the live image just do "dpkg -S casper-stop" to find it
[13:43] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: did you kill the NUC?
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> lol no
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> fan is not blowing at break=init
[13:44] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: were you able to read temperatures from sysfs ?
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> no, im getting a blinking underscore
[13:44] <TJ-> hmmm, mistype?
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: is that underscore between thermal zone?
[13:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: check it yourself: "ls /sys/class/thermal/"
[13:45] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: within each thermal_zone there should be a /temp node that reads the value
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> ah i forgot a number add :p
[13:46] <TJ-> that's why I used the * wildcard so it reads them all
[13:46] <TJ-> "grep . /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp"
[13:46] <lotuspsychje> thats what i did yeah
[13:46] <TJ-> hmmm, maybe busybox shell isn't expanding the wildcard?
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> could be yeah
[13:47] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: try termal zone 0 ?
[13:48] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: sure, any of them. I just tested here from busybox shell and the wildcard works
[13:48] <lotuspsychje> weird, lemme try 0
[13:48] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: so when in the initrd, use "ls" to check those sysfs nodes exist. "ls /sys/class/thermal/"
[13:49] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: could be they aren't populated until a specific module is loaded
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> aha, shows only thermal_zone0
[13:50] <TJ-> OK.... you could also do "ls -l /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone*/device/driver"  to find out which driver is providing the thermal zone nodes
[13:52] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: that worked, gave me a line ..//bus/acpi/drivers/thermal
[13:52] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: so the regular ACPI driver as expected. There's usually one thermal zone for each CPU but maybe the NUC is different
[13:53] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: but from your earlier log it suggests there should be zones 0-3
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: i do have 4 cooling_device also
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> and only 1 thermal_zone0
[13:55] <TJ-> so is that thermal zone showing it getting hot whilst in initrd?
[13:56] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: your grep line says nu such file or dir
[13:57] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: what does 'ls' report? is there no "temp" node in that zone ?
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: no, only that thermal_zone0 and the 4 cooling_device
[13:58] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: *inside* the directory, as in "ls /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/"
[13:59] <lotuspsychje> oh, it does yeah
[14:00] <TJ-> so you should be able to read it, try "cat /sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp" -- 'grep .' is supposed to do the same thing
[14:00] <TJ-> the dot matches any character so the result is grep prints all content of the target file
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: -263200
[14:01] <TJ-> I'd interpret that as 26.32C
[14:01] <mra90> what is the origin of replacing text for example -> "s/teh/the"
[14:01] <TJ-> mra90: Regular expressions from Perl
[14:02] <mra90> TJ-, I know but which one exactly is it?
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so, the fans are real quiet in break=init now, as ive set them from bios
[14:02] <TJ-> mra90: which "it" ?
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: this proves your kernel point right?
[14:02] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: so no, it points to something in userspace ... 26.32C is very low and sounds healthy
[14:04] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ok tnx, more investigation now
[14:05] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: you could try booting with systemd.unit=emergency.target and then do the same monitoring of sysfs thermals ... if still OK there, that points to some service/config causing it
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: currently testing on a new user with journal realtime
[14:15] <badsektur> when new ubuntu LTS comes out, how do i do the switch?
[14:31] <daft_dutch>  echo 1 > /run/casper-no-prompt
[14:31] <daft_dutch> and then reboot
[14:33] <TJ-> daft_dutch: either will do it - kernel command-line can be controlled from the automation suite I'd expect
[14:33] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: 30min, inside a new user desktop, i think it will be as you say user related
[14:33] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: nice you've reduced the problem space
[14:34] <daft_dutch> yeah that can be but that requires more difference from the image that goes to the customers
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ill have to investigate a few things on the main user
[14:35] <benishor> hi, I'm running 19.10 and lately (a couple of days ago), UI seems sluggish even after a fresh reboot
[14:36] <benishor> hw specs: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor, 32G RAM, GTX960
[14:36] <benishor> even the mouse cursor seems sluggish, as in I can see it hop from a place to another
[14:36] <benishor> any idea on how to find the culprit?
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> benishor: wich nvidia driver versions are you on currently?
[14:37] <benishor> lotuspsychje: nvidia-driver-435
[14:37] <benishor> things were uber smooth until few days ago
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> benishor: did you notice new updates recently, it could be related?
[14:38] <benishor> I perform daily updates, unfortunately I can't say for sure which one caused the issue
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> benishor: did you try a driver switch yet?
[14:39] <benishor> I'm interested in a process to find where the problem comes from
[14:39] <benishor> lotuspsychje: not yet
[14:39] <benishor> but I will now
[14:39] <benishor> any switching suggestions?
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> benishor: ubuntu-drivers list, to see the versions for your card
[14:40] <benishor> lotuspsychje: 390, 430, 435
[14:40] <benishor> they're also listed in "Software & Updates" -> Additional Drivers"
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> benishor: ok, you are already on the latest one, that should be reccomended
[14:41] <benishor> yes, but it is proprietary (and tested)
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> benishor: could you pastebin your dpkg.log please?
[14:42] <benishor> sure. https://pastebin.com/iu03NGsj
[14:44] <benishor> as a note, everything UI related seems sluggish. window animations included
[14:45] <benishor> should I try and switch to nouveau?
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> benishor: ok, i dont suspect something from dpkg, sure you can try an nvidia driver switch or fallback to nouveau as a test
[14:45] <benishor> and then switch back to the latest nvidia driver
[14:45] <tarzeau> wonder what dkms status and lsmod |grep nvidia say
[14:45] <benishor> perhaps there's some transient fuckage
[14:46]  * tarzeau is using nvidia.com latest deb packages of nvidiadriver+cuda
[14:46] <BluesKaj> benishor, no need for "language"
[14:46] <tarzeau> not having problems since 18.04+6months (when they had cuda 10.x packages for 18.04+)
[14:46] <benishor> BluesKaj: please define language. I was born before "language" existed
[14:46] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: Do you use the Graphics Team PPA for installing nvidia drivers?
[14:46] <tarzeau> except for sudden updates and changes of nvidia kernel module breaking computers, worked around with apt pinning
[14:47] <BluesKaj> benishor, you know what I mean :-)
[14:47] <benishor> BluesKaj: no, I don't. I'm just sick and tired of SJW
[14:47] <benishor> tarzeau: https://pastebin.com/g69fwYzm
[14:48] <TJ-> benishor: might be a good first step to check direct rendering with hardware acceleration is enabled
[14:48] <ducasse> benishor: nothing to do with sjw, but channel guidelines
[14:48] <benishor> pragmaticenigma: nope
[14:49] <tarzeau> benishor: i've got these nvidia, 440.33.01 from cuda.lst deb http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/repos/ubuntu1804/x86_64 /
[14:49] <benishor> ducasse: so it's forbidden to use terms like "fuckage" because it offends .. whom?
[14:49] <benishor> tarzeau: nice, but I'd rather stick to the provided ones
[14:49] <benishor> I mean they *worked*
[14:50] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: the channel asks that you follow the community guidelines regarding language. The channel is targetted to be family friendly
[14:50] <benishor> something else must have come in the way but I'm not sure about what and how to find out
[14:50] <benishor> pragmaticenigma: I'm sure there are a lot of kids coming in and asking how to become r00t
[14:51] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: I personally use the Graphics Team PPA to install nvidia drivers. I find they're better tuned for Ubuntu than pulling from nvidia directly or using what is in the core repositories
[14:51] <tarzeau> benishor: that's what happens in #nethack
[14:51]  * tarzeau is not using any PPA
[14:51] <benishor> this world is going down the drain
[14:51] <benishor> because "language" and "genders" and "sexual identity"
[14:52] <benishor> wtf
[14:52] <benishor> anyways, let's try a fallback to nouveau and see what happens
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: let's just focus on the support topic, and just keep the language neutral for now
[14:52] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: fallback is a good idea too
[14:53] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: If you're interested, this is the PPA for nvidia proprietary drivers. It is worked on (not verified) by many of the same developers working on the mainline drivers for Ubuntu packaging: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:54] <benishor> 10x pragmaticenigma. I will try it next. one change at a time if we are to be able to quantify the effects
[14:54] <benishor> switched to nouveau. rebooting
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> *thumbs up*
[15:05] <WereCatf> Is there an up-to-date guide on how to install Ubuntu on an NFS-share and boot it from there? I have Ubuntu mostly working when booting from NFS, but e.g. snap-packages don't work and I don't know how to fix that in a correct way. I'm also wondering if I'm missing some other crucial steps.
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> WereCatf: This article is pretty dated but it might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto
[15:09] <WereCatf> pragmaticenigma: That's not up-to-date, which is exactly why I asked for an up-to-date one.
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> WereCatf: It's not a usual installation type that we see here. #ubuntu-server may have people better suited for your question
[15:09] <WereCatf> It says nothing about how to get e.g. snaps working.
[15:10] <pragmaticenigma> WereCatf: Please mind the tone, I offered the suggestion as a means for finding terms that might aid you in continuing your research on how to do this.
[15:12] <fuze> kubuntu 19.10 64bit is it possible to enable palm rejection on my laptop for SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
[15:16] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: This might help point you in the right direction: https://askubuntu.com/a/1017803
[15:17] <leftyfb> WereCatf: looks like it's a known issue with a workaround. Not sure why it's not fixed for you though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1662552
[15:17] <fuze> pragmaticenigma: actually i just had to uninstall synaptic driver and that fixed it. libinput works great
[15:17] <benishor> ok, so nouveau is much more responsive
[15:17] <benishor> trying to switch back to nvidia
[15:18] <pragmaticenigma> fuze: cool!
[15:19] <WereCatf> leftyfb: maybe because I have the entire OS installed on NFS, instead of just home-directories. I don't really know
[15:30] <benishor> I added ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa and installed nvidia-driver-440
[15:30] <benishor> things are much better now
[15:30] <benishor> thank you all for help
[15:31] <benishor> still a bit of tearing left but perhaps that's going to be fixed with incoming updates
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> benishor: there's a current bug about xorg & 440 going bug #1754284
[15:32] <lotuspsychje> benishor: but 440 wasnt on your drivers list from stock right?
[15:33] <lotuspsychje> you could try that totem tearing to check
[15:34] <acovrig> How do I list an interface in netplan to make it UP but have no IP?
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> benishor: It might be something in the VDPAU... you might be able to tweak that throught nvidia settings, I'm waiting on a patch and living with the tearing for now
[15:35] <compdoc> acovrig, I do that by creating a bridge to the interface
[15:37] <benishor> lotuspsychje: no, it wasnt in stock. it came after adding the grapics-driver ppa
[15:37] <benishor> thanks for all the info!
[15:44] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I asked a question yesterday about an older pc that I installed 18.04 on but apparently the graphics card driver support was just dropped for no good reason, I found it here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-304/+bug/1763648 and it does not run very well without this... is there anyting I can do? I found a community patch but it only says it's the 32 bit driver so
[15:44] <Kali_Yuga> idk if that's any good for a 64bit os?...
[15:46] <Kali_Yuga> https://i.postimg.cc/J0KxmnQp/4003.png
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> Kali_Yuga: The driver has dropped support for your card... the announcement is the driver series is no longer going to receive updates. There is nothing preventing you from continuing to use that driver; however, any bugs or regressions will not be fixed in the future.
[16:00] <pragmaticenigma> Kali_Yuga: Sorry that was supposed to say: the released driver has not dropped support
[16:02] <pragmaticenigma> Kali_Yuga: If you're not using any specific features the proprietary driver enables, you can also setup your machine to run with nouveau drivers. For general usage, the nouveau drivers are stable and reliable.
[16:03] <Kali_Yuga> pragmaticenigma: I cannot install that driver in 18.04, I'm getting dependency issues and I did try everything to get it installed via terminal, autoinstall, deb file, and .run file to no avail...
[16:04] <pragmaticenigma> Kali_Yuga: you cannot get "which" driver to install?
[16:04] <Kali_Yuga> pragmaticenigma: 304.137
[16:05] <pragmaticenigma> Kali_Yuga: Does the card function with nouveau?
[16:05] <Kali_Yuga> pragmaticenigma: Not good, it runs a lot better with that driver installed
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> Kali_Yuga: The only driver this channel can support is what comes directly from the Official Ubuntu Software Repositories. If that isn't installing, I'd recommend working with the nouveau
[16:10] <Kali_Yuga> pragmaticenigma: yes I see that as the only option, or this community patch but they say they only got the 32bit version working on 18.04 and I have a 64bit OS. So can I install a 32bit driver on a 64bit OS following those instuctions: https://i.postimg.cc/J0KxmnQp/4003.png ?
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> Kali_Yuga: 32bit can run on 64bit
[16:13] <Kali_Yuga> pragmaticenigma: okay I will try this patch I guess, If I can't get it to run I won't have any options left but running the noveau driver
[16:45] <cgi> when i do checkinstall -y, it's still asking me questions and I have to press enter - any ideas on how to fix this?
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> cgi: Possible that it needs to run as root for -y to work?
[16:56] <senecaty> Experiencing black screen flickering when inside youtube fullscreen. Happens occationally in non-fullscreen. Nothing useful in `journalctl -e`. firefix 72.0.2, ubuntu 18.04
[16:58] <van777> Ubuntu has beat win10 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen3-windows-linux&num=1
[16:58] <leftyfb> !ot | van777
[16:58] <cgi> pragmaticenigma, thanks- fixed
[17:05] <sweb> ow can i store ISO mount on raspberry pi 4 ? i need load ubuntu mini : http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/eoan/main/installer-arm64/current/images/netboot/ to load from sd card ?
[17:08] <leftyfb> sweb: there are server images for the pi. You don't "install" ubuntu on it using the mini.io. You flash an image of an OS to the SD card.
[17:09] <leftyfb> sweb: https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi  those are the server images available for the pi
[17:12] <TheSonOfPeter> hello, is there a 3d modeling program similar to solid works or inventor pro for Ubuntu?
[17:13] <EriC^^> TheSonOfPeter: freecad
[17:21] <leftyfb> TheSonOfPeter: there's also onshape and tinkercad. Both browser-based.
[17:30] <Church-> Stupid question, running Ub18LTS and I'm trying to upgrade my kernel. `apt upgrade linux-generic` only got me to 4.15, and the only other kernel images available via apt are unsigned. Is there a backports repo I should be using for signed images?
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> Church-: What are you trying to do/accomplish
[17:31] <pragmaticenigma> The kernel that you have installed is the latest available for a Ubuntu 18.04
[17:32] <Church-> Ideally I'd like to upgrade to a 5.x revision kernel.
[17:33] <Church-> I assumed that was something that would be backported via a backports repo
[17:33] <ducasse> !hwe | Church-
[17:33] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: That's not true. There's the HWE
[17:35] <Church-> Great, gotta love complications.
[17:36] <leftyfb> Church-: sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
[17:36] <Church-> Not going to pull in xorg yah? It's just a base kernel that's up to date?
[17:36] <Church-> What would the revision be? 5.5?
[17:36] <leftyfb> Church-: the kernel packages have nothing to do with the xorg packages
[17:37] <Church-> Yeah I thought so, just wanted to be certain since I saw them both getting installed.
[17:37] <leftyfb> Church-: linux 5.5 was released less than 2 weeks ago. You're not getting that kernel.
[17:39] <Church-> Ugh right, it was 5.5 released, not 5.6. Apologies
[17:40] <leftyfb> Church-: Ubuntu has kernel 5.3.x.
[17:43] <Church-> Nod
[17:47] <cgi> how do i compile curl with libcurl? It seems its picking up libcurl from the system
[18:14] <ChanceNCounter> My search-fu is failing me. Is there a particular forum or channel where I should report packages that need backporting for usability?
[18:19] <AurorAWOL> Hi, I have been searching for an answer for a few days now and I cant really find any info. Maybe I am searching for the wrong answers. Does anyone know why this https://pastebin.com/a8qECBEP happens? Every reboot they randomly change to SEC_TYPE. Then the same drives randomly go back to just TYPE on some reboots
[18:21] <AurorAWOL> It's only a problem to me is cause sometimes the UUID changes as well and messes up my fstab
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> AurorAWOL: The SEC_TYPE is just a fall back when libblkid guesses what filesystem the partition has and fails
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> might be some other bug causing that behavior
[18:26] <AurorAWOL> Sorry pragmaticenigma  I got disconnected
[18:27] <AurorAWOL> I'm thinking so too cause that never happened till I upgraded to 18.04
[18:29] <AurorAWOL> The other strange thing too is all my drives are mounted to /mnt/sda /mnt/sdb ect. However there is one drive that wont mount to /mnt/sdb I have to mount it to /mnt/sdb1
[18:29] <tomreyn> AurorAWOL: which problems, if any, does this cause to you, though?
[18:30] <AurorAWOL> Sometimes the UUID changes tomreyn. and it messes up auto mount in fstab
[18:30] <tomreyn> the SEC_TYPE changing i mean
[18:30] <tomreyn> UUIDs should never change by themselves
[18:31] <AurorAWOL> I get that. Though the internal HDDS dont change. It's only external
[18:32] <tomreyn> still, unless the file system is redone, uuids should remain unchanged
[18:32] <tomreyn> about the other topic, /mnt/sda and also /mnt/sdb1 would be just a mount ppoint you created manually, right?
[18:32] <AurorAWOL> Yes
[18:33] <tomreyn> so what do you mean by "can't mouint to /mnt/sdb"?
[18:33] <tomreyn> * "won't mount to /mnt/sdb"?
[18:34] <AurorAWOL> All the other mount points work fine. Though if I try to mount /dev/sdb1 to /mnt sdb it wont mount. I had to create another mount point /mnt/sdb1
[18:34] <AurorAWOL> I even deleted the /mnt/sdb mount point and recreated it
[18:34] <tomreyn> and the error message given was?
[18:35] <AurorAWOL> I know all of this seems like no big deal I just can't wrap my head around why its doing these things
[18:36] <tomreyn> i'd be puzzled, too, and would expect mounting to work, which is why i'm asking about an error message.
[18:36] <AurorAWOL> doesn't give an error. I use mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb and it acts like it mounted but df doesn't list it. Then I use mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 and it works fine and shows up in df
[18:37] <tomreyn> does "mount" or "findmnt" list it, though?
[18:38] <AurorAWOL> I'll check
[18:38] <tomreyn> is this a proper ubuntu installation, fully upgraded, standard kernel?
[18:38] <__Milencho> do i need a live boot USB ubuntu if i want to extend unallocated partition to root partition
[18:39] <__Milencho> i mean can i do this if this partition is mounted/running?
[18:39] <__Milencho> i read a post that after kernel 2.6 i can do it
[18:39] <__Milencho> but ....
[18:40] <AurorAWOL> it doesnt show up on either.
[18:40] <AurorAWOL>  and I just downloaded 18.04 like 2 days ago. Fresh install
[18:41] <pragmaticenigma> __Milencho: It is best practice to change partitions when they're not mounted
[18:41] <AurorAWOL> Thanks for your help tomreyn . I won't take up anymore of your guys time with something silly.
[18:42] <tomreyn> AurorAWOL: what you discussed above sounds like you might have deleted active mount points (while a file system was mounted there). i guess it'd be better to reboot before testing this more
[18:42] <AurorAWOL> And thank you so much pragmaticenigma for explaining what SEC_TYPE was. It was driving me nuts lol
[18:43] <AurorAWOL> I just rebooted a few minutes ago
[18:43] <tomreyn> AurorAWOL: i'd also want to get to the bottom of this since what you describe should not happen.
[18:44] <ioria> AurorAWOL, if you want to mount manually,  i'd disable that drive in fstab
[18:45] <AurorAWOL> Maybe it was a bad install?
[18:46] <AurorAWOL> I had 16.04 and never had an issue. I installed 18.04 on a brand new HDD.
[18:46] <AurorAWOL> One thing during install is I had to do it twice cause the first try I had gotten an error about unable to install grub
[18:47] <AurorAWOL> the second try everything worked fine
[18:47] <tomreyn> a "bad install" (which could be very different things) should not cause a command like "mount" to seem to have completed fine when it actually failed.
[18:47] <ioria> the install is probably on ext4; we're talking about those ext3 fs AurorAWOL
[18:48] <tomreyn> (that is unless that's just one of many, many symptoms of this 'bad install')
[18:48] <AurorAWOL> The only reason I am mentioning that is I am using some of the drives from my old server that are a mixture of ext3 and ext4
[18:51] <tomreyn> now i'm loosing interest in spending more time on it, too
[18:55] <AurorAWOL> Either way all of your help was greatly appreciated
[18:56] <AurorAWOL> I hope all of you have a good day/night
[18:56] <tomreyn> you, too!
[19:11] <Elec_A> Hi, I have installed Ubuntu 18.04 through WSL on Windows. I can local X applications fine. when I'm opening SSHing to another CentOS machine and want to run an X application I get following errors: https://paste.opensuse.org/63370928 . I have X display manager running in the background and I'm setting DISPLAY variable correctly.
[19:16] <__Milencho> pragmaticenigma, so for better experience to try with Bootable USB live ubuntu in order to save from troubles
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> __Milencho: that would be correct
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> !wsl | Elec_A
[19:24] <AurorAWOL> I feel dumb for asking this but if I use cd ~ what does that mean?
[19:26] <sarnold> your shell will expand ~ to your home directory
[19:29] <ph88> how do i get thumbnails for images in nautilus ?
[19:30] <AurorAWOL> Oh so whatever user is logged on cd ~ will go to that users home directory? It's basically a shortcut for cd home/user
[19:32] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: and you can use ~username  too: cd ~sarnold  will take you to whatever sarnold's home directory is
[19:33] <AurorAWOL> That's awesome. Sorry for all the silly questions. I took a 4 year break and I feel like I forgot everything.
[19:33] <AurorAWOL> Thank you
[19:34] <sarnold> don't worry about that, we all started at the beginning, and most of us are learning something every day
[19:47] <uplime> AurorAWOL: for what its worth, cd with no arguments will go to ~ anyways
[19:48] <AurorAWOL> Even better. All tips and advice are worth a lot to me. Tank you
[19:56] <ioria> AurorAWOL, and if you want to know why just that symbol, google 'Lear-Siegler ADM-3A keyboard'
[19:57] <AurorAWOL> src/tools.c:35:10: fatal error: attr/xattr.h: No such file or directory
[19:57] <AurorAWOL> Oops sorry. I't put me in this window when you pinged me lol
[19:58] <AurorAWOL> Thank you ioria I will google that
[19:58] <ioria> AurorAWOL, check if libc6-dev is installed
[19:58] <AurorAWOL> it is
[20:00] <ioria> AurorAWOL, then libattr1-dev
[20:02] <AurorAWOL> well ioria  that got rid of that. now its src/main.c:45:10: fatal error: uthash.h:
[20:04] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: try installing uthash-dev
[20:04] <ioria> AurorAWOL, uthash-dev
[20:05] <AurorAWOL> You are awesome!
[20:07] <AurorAWOL> And thats pretty cool ioria. I read up on that Lear-Siegler ADM-3A keyboard.
[20:07] <ioria> yeah
[20:46] <bonfire> hello
[20:47] <bonfire> I encrypted an ubuntu VM and took a snapshot logged in. Now I forgot the password. How do I recover the encrypted passphrase from the running snapshot?
[20:48] <ph88> when i get a window   The application blabla has closed unexpectedly. Send a problem report to the developers?    Does it actually help to send a problem report ??
[20:49] <sarnold> ph88: yeah, the errors from those reports ar equite handy
[20:49] <sarnold> bonfire: I'm not sure if that's possible. I don't recall seeing any way to dump the keyheader
[20:49] <bonfire> :'(
[20:51] <sarnold> and I'd certainly not expect any way to dump the plaintext key..
[20:51] <sarnold> bonfire: if you used a correct-horse-battery-staple key you MIGHT be able to find it by using strings on the VM memory frmo the host
[20:52] <sarnold> bonfire: if you used a randomly generated key it'll be a lot harder to spot via strings. you *might* get lucky. probably not.
[20:52] <sarnold> strings normally skips over some elf segments, best to use strings -a
[20:52] <sarnold> (this is a good general rule anyway)
[20:56] <leftyfb> bonfire: simplified, you're not getting in. Cut your losses and restore from backup
[20:56] <bonfire> There is a crypto wallet on there.
[20:57] <leftyfb> bonfire: good thing you have a backup then
[20:57] <bonfire> The backup has the same encrypted password.
[20:57] <bonfire> I'll find the password. I was curious if there was a way to extract the key from the running system.
[20:58] <leftyfb> bonfire: if it were that easy, it would be a poor example of encryption
[20:59] <bonfire> Well alright then.
[21:13] <robertparkerx> I have a box I put alot of time into. I want to switch providers because I'm paying to much for what I get. Is tthere a way to make an image of ubuntu and I can get the other vps to load it ? to keep all my data, databases, packages, etc ??
[21:13] <robertparkerx> I'm on 19.10
[21:15] <anibic> Hi how do I get list of all chat rooms
[21:16] <uplime> use alis. /msg alis help list
[21:16] <anibic> I am on Yaaic app of android
[21:18] <leftyfb> robertparkerx: that will depend on what VPS solution your current and future providers are on. I would highly recommend building from scratch and moving things over. You should then be documenting this process and ideally building a recipe for one of the many config management solutions out there to automate building your server
[21:19] <vitimiti> I am trying to install Ubuntu 19.10 in an HP Stream 11-d017ns. While using the installation disk, everything works well, but suddenly it freezes. It happens after some time, as depending on how fast we go during the install, it freezes at different stages, as if it was in a timer to fail. Anybody came a similar issue before that can help?
[21:19] <robertparkerx> crap
[22:23] <arooni> thinkfan seems not to be running on ubuntu 18.04 even tho i've set it up
[22:31] <arooni> gotit working; go me
[23:24] <nashimus> what is the ubuntu equivalent of http://deb.debian.org/debian/?
[23:24] <nashimus> or a url that could be used with debootstrap?
[23:25] <Miles8of9> ?_?
[23:30] <tomreyn> nashimus: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[23:31] <tomreyn> or a mirror near you: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[23:46] <nashimus> +ahh
[23:46] <nashimus> ports
[23:46] <nashimus> http://us.ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/
[23:46] <chovy_> does anyone know how to convert ttf font to woff2?
[23:46] <nashimus> tomreyn: thank you, got me on the right track
[23:53] <oerheks> https://www.bing.com/search?q=convert+ttf+font+to+woff2  .. according to https://dev.to/benjaminblack/converting-ttf-fonts-to-woff2-and-woff-3f5b  google does..