[00:05] <chris349> How can I get a serial console running on my system? I try the command: sudo /sbin/getty -L 115200 ttyS0 vt102 but I cant get console access
[00:15] <nashimus> chris349: I've had luck using screen. E.g. "screen /dev/ttyS0 115200"
[00:28] <chris349> I dont have command screen and I have an issue with network that it says cable disconnected, so I cant install
[00:32] <nCoV_fren> Hi frens!
[00:34] <monkeystance> hello nCoV_fren
[01:59] <AurorAWOL> Hi, quick question. Would anyone know why I am getting a parse error from fstab using mhddfs# /mnt/hdd1,/mnt/hdd2,/mnt/hdd3,/mnt/hdd4 /mnt/virtual fuse defaults,allow_other 0 0
[02:00] <sarnold> probably # introduces a comment and the rest of the line is ignored
[02:02] <AurorAWOL> I took it out and it still gives me a parse error...
[02:11] <oerheks> maybe a space thing, mhddfs# /mnt/hdd1, /mnt/hdd2, /mnt/hdd3, /mnt/hdd4 /mnt/virtual fuse defaults,allow_other 0 0
[02:12] <AurorAWOL> https://pastebin.com/8GxJSfN3 heres the log
[02:13] <oerheks> and with failures, check the drive/filesystem health?
[02:14] <sarnold> fstab is not going to be happy with all those spaces between the different drives
[02:15] <AurorAWOL> If I run sudo mhddfs /mnt/hdd1,/mnt/hdd2,/mnt/hdd3,/mnt/hdd4 mnt/virtual -o allow_other from the terminal it mounts it fine
[02:16] <AurorAWOL> but on boot it will fail
[02:16] <AurorAWOL> not sure what it's meaning by dependency... is it looking for /mnt/virtual other then where I have it when it boots?
[02:18] <AurorAWOL> cause as of right now /mnt/virtual is just in the / directory
[02:18] <sarnold> are the previous N mounts listed before this one?
[02:19] <AurorAWOL> yes
[02:19] <sarnold> hmm
[02:19] <AurorAWOL> they all mount on boot fine
[02:19] <AurorAWOL> I'm wondering if it has something to do with what directory /mnt is in
[02:20] <sarnold> all the mhddfs docs I'm finding are from way before systemd
[02:20] <sarnold> I'm curious if the previous tools worked with this thing fine but systemd may not
[02:20] <sarnold> (that's a big guess on my part)
[02:21] <k_sze> Erm, did my last message get sent out? I got disconnected right after trying to send.
[02:21] <AurorAWOL> Yes. I had it working fine in 16..04
[02:21] <sarnold> Mon 03 01:57:06 < k_sze> hmm, might be a KDE thing? I think you're talking about Klipper?
[02:21] <k_sze> nope, not that one. :D
[02:22] <k_sze> Anyway, I updated the "Lock keys" GNOME shell extension and now I can't manage it.
[02:23] <k_sze> Tweaks shows me a triangle-with-exclamation-mark icon for it, telling me "Error loading extension". But the extension is in fact loaded (I see the numlock and capslock icons in the notification area).
[02:23] <k_sze> https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ also shows a red "ERROR" button for it.
[02:25] <AurorAWOL> Well I guess the last silly question I have is where should I create my mount points at?
[02:26] <sarnold> whereerver you want, really
[02:26] <sarnold> it's best to not go crazy nesting filesystems -- eg if a drive dies you just want that one filesystem to go away, not it and a dozen others underneath it
[02:27] <AurorAWOL> Where does fstab look when loading? Cause if I run the exact command from the terminal it works fine. I just have to cd into it before I run the command but fails on boot
[02:32] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: hmmm, so does running sudo mount .... fail when you're in one directory but succeed when you're in another?
[02:32] <sarnold> pastebin the terminal session?
[02:33] <AurorAWOL> https://pastebin.com/
[02:33] <crunch3r> by default is ubuntu now supposed to copy all text that is highlighted?
[02:34] <AurorAWOL> yes
[02:34] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: heh looks like you missed the bit that shows your paste :)
[02:35] <AurorAWOL> oh haha
[02:35] <AurorAWOL> https://pastebin.com/F5r4cKs9
[02:36] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: alright so this one should be easy to fix :) write /mnt/virtual instead of mnt/virtual
[02:36] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: /mnt/virtual is an absoiute path; mnt/virtual is a relative path
[02:37] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: how about the fstab? maybe something similar is in there, too
[02:37] <AurorAWOL> mhddfs /mnt/hdd1,/mnt/hdd2,/mnt/hdd3,/mnt/hdd4 mnt/virtual -o allow_other
[02:37] <AurorAWOL> is what I have in fstab
[02:37] <crunch3r> AurorAWOL was that yes to sarnold or my question.. sry just jumped in here.
[02:38] <k_sze> Out of curiosity, is there a way to select the desktop environment *without* rebooting?
[02:38] <sarnold> yes, selecting text should copy it to the selection buffer; middle-clicking or shift+insert should insert it
[02:38] <crunch3r> sarnold thank you for confirming.
[02:39] <crunch3r> now i need to go disable it lol, bc I found myself just highlighting all sorts of things I dont need.
[02:39] <sarnold> crunch3r: sadly some applications choose to do things differently :( but that works in all the applications I use (which is part of why I use those applications)
[02:40] <AurorAWOL> oh and i added the /mnt/virtual instead of mnt/virtual
[02:40] <crunch3r> sarnold I can see it being useful once I get used to it, but I thought at first it was a keylogger or something..
[02:40] <AurorAWOL> still giving me a parse error wen i use mount -a
[02:41] <AurorAWOL> https://pastebin.com/16j0p7qn is my fstab
[02:43] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: try "mhddfs#/mnt/hdd1,/mnt/hdd2,/mnt/hdd3,/mnt/hdd4 /mnt/virtual fuse defaults,allow_other,logfile=/var/log/mhddfs.log 0 0
[02:44] <AurorAWOL> with the quotes?
[02:44] <sarnold> argh, sorry, heh I should have just left them off. no quotes
[02:44] <sarnold> that # still weirds me out, but it's in manpages .. I just hope systemd parses it the same way :)
[02:45] <AurorAWOL> That worked
[02:45] <sarnold> woooooo
[02:45] <sarnold> try a reboot and make sure? :)
[02:45] <AurorAWOL> You are awesome!
[02:45] <AurorAWOL> I am
[02:45] <sarnold> good good :)
[02:47] <AurorAWOL> Yep that worked. Thank you so much
[02:47] <AurorAWOL> Im guessing it had something to do with the # and fuse
[02:48] <sarnold> nice :)
[02:48] <AurorAWOL> You guys are a lot more helpful than sosme of the windows community. Most of them usually just say "prolly a virus"
[02:50] <AurorAWOL> Totally halfway kidding. Anyway thank you so much. Now I can get back to what I really was doing lol.
[02:58] <sarnold> AurorAWOL: lol, nice. I often go days without getting back to what I was doing..
[02:59] <AurorAWOL> Well sarnold with awesome people like you I can :)
[03:00] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | sarnold
[03:02] <sarnold> YAY COOKIES!
[03:02] <sarnold> thanks AurorAWOL :D
[03:25] <viktor> Hi all. I'm trying to install geany from the tar.gz from the website. when i run the config script i get this msg: https://pastebin.com/eJAhbB2j at the end
[03:26] <viktor> can i just apt install these packages?
[03:27] <viktor> or is the problem that the script can't find them?
[03:28] <sarnold> I think gtk+2 was ages ago
[03:29] <sarnold> does your release have the geany package available to install?
[03:29] <oerheks> if you really *need* a newer version, use the ppa, as their site says https://www.geany.org/download/third-party/
[03:29] <sarnold> !package geany
[03:29] <sarnold> bugger, the bot doesn't work as I expect :)
[03:29] <oerheks> !info geany
[03:29] <sarnold> anyway, it *is* packaged https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/geany
[03:31] <viktor> sarnold, oerheks, ok, thanks, i'll just get the bionic-universe package from the software center
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> there's a snap too, but lower version
[03:34] <sarnold> heh
[03:38] <viktor> lotuspsychje, i know, but snaps often still have some growing pains
[03:38] <lotuspsychje> viktor: just trying to widen options, nothing personal :p
[03:39] <viktor> lotuspsychje, :D , thanks for the suggestion anyway
[04:48] <dodocrypto> hey guys how do we change apt-get mirror
[04:48] <dodocrypto> ?
[04:48] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:48] <dodocrypto> thank you
[04:49] <tarzeau> in soviet russia, you move to where your mirror is
[04:51] <dodocrypto> tarzeau is there anyway we can just change it through script
[04:51] <dodocrypto> and point to ubuntu.com instead of the mirror
[04:51] <Bashing-om> dodocrypto: GUI way: open the Ubuntu software center, click the Edit menu > "Software Sources" and click the "Software" tab - try selecting a different mirror from the dropdown list ("Download from") .
[04:52] <swift110> hey
[04:53] <dodocrypto> hey swift110
[04:53] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: sure sed -i s,it,ru,g (make it ru so it only takes the mirror, you'll need to catch dots escaped)
[04:53] <dodocrypto> how about how to find our laptop module
[04:53] <Bashing-om> dodocrypto: terminal example: sudo sed -i -e 's/archive.ubuntu.com/mirror.steadfast.net/g' /etc/apt/sources.list .
[04:53] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: i know debian has cdn, no idea about ubuntu
[04:53] <dodocrypto> thank God ubuntu support this asus eee pc i386
[04:53] <dodocrypto> lubuntu i mean with 1 gig ram
[04:53] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: mind you people using PPA or foreign software might need to check apt/sources.list.d/ as well
[04:54] <tarzeau> (ah doesn't apply with country mirrors)
[04:56] <dodocrypto> thank you guys
[04:57] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: no /queries please, thank you
[04:57] <dodocrypto> tarzau
[04:57] <dodocrypto> do you know how to check computer module
[04:57] <dodocrypto> in ubuntu ?
[04:58] <tarzeau> i don't know what you mean by module? demoscene chiptune modules?
[04:58] <tarzeau> hardware? linux kernel modules?
[04:58] <dodocrypto> i have this asus eee pc
[04:58] <tarzeau> which is 32bit i386?
[04:58] <dodocrypto> but i can't find the module of it
[04:58] <dodocrypto> yeah i386
[04:58] <tarzeau> i have stopped that 10 years ago, 64bit only here
[04:58] <tarzeau> the ubuntu+1(LTS) doesn't even support i386 anymore
[04:59] <dodocrypto> i want to know what module it is and i forgot what i module i bought this laptop
[04:59] <tarzeau> use debian on it, or throw it away
[04:59] <dodocrypto> i want to know whether it's possible to upgrade to 2 gig ram
[04:59] <tarzeau> in which country are you?
[04:59] <dodocrypto> running lubuntu with 1 gig ram now
[04:59] <dodocrypto> nah i am in indonesia
[04:59] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: i'd apt-get install zram-config; service zram-config start
[05:00] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: that gives you compressed memory you'll have almost 1.5 gb ram more or less
[05:00] <tarzeau> how many cores? single core?
[05:00] <dodocrypto> dual core
[05:00] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: computers/laptops are expensive there?
[05:01] <dodocrypto> yeah of course man
[05:01] <dodocrypto> i can't afford another one
[05:01] <dodocrypto> :(
[05:01] <dodocrypto> this one is fine for traveling
[06:01] <untoreh_> hello when I start a session gvfsd-fuse started by gvfsd doesn't work (mount's are not shown in /run/user/$uid/gvfs) and I have to kill and restart gvfsd-fuse manually
[06:11] <dodocrypto> guys how to check
[06:11] <dodocrypto> what ubuntu version we are using
[06:11]  * tarzeau is using 20.04 LTS here
[06:11] <dodocrypto> . /etc/releases file not found
[06:11] <tarzeau> and a few hundred 18.04
[06:12] <tarzeau> dodocrypto: try ls /etc/*release i've got two lsb- and os- (linked to lsb-)
[06:13] <dodocrypto> thank you
[06:13] <dodocrypto> is /etc/lsb-release
[06:13] <dodocrypto> thank God
[06:13] <dodocrypto> i have 3 more years
[06:13] <dodocrypto> to run this laptop
[06:13] <dodocrypto> :(
[06:14] <dodocrypto> fedora stop supporting i386 with release 31
[06:17] <wangledo2f> exit
[06:33] <MJCD> wangledo1f, fail
[06:33] <MJCD> dodocrypto, good. legacy was holding everything back
[06:33] <MJCD> as I said; upgrade from $20 laptop to $40 laptop
[06:33] <MJCD> lol
[06:34] <MJCD> I've got a celeron 64 bit lappy here with working battery i'm going to sell for ~$70AUD
[06:34] <MJCD> it's clunky as heck but gets you up to speed (all puns intended)
[06:34] <MJCD> => ##hardware
[06:34] <dodocrypto> i am broke
[06:34] <dodocrypto> :(
[06:35] <dodocrypto> still 3 more year till 18.04 lts
[06:35] <dodocrypto> till 2023
[06:35] <dodocrypto> lol 3 more year
[06:35] <dodocrypto> this laptop is my baby
[06:35] <dodocrypto> accompanied me for so many years
[06:39] <swift110> oh ok
[06:40] <lotuspsychje_> !offtopic | dodocrypto MJCD
[06:58] <MJCD> lotuspsychje_, I was just responding, I literally said up there that this is not ubuntu related
[06:58] <MJCD> :P
[06:59] <Intelo> How can I bookmark/ cross/ strikethrhough, highlight, underline text in pdf?
[06:59] <Intelo> any best language learning app?
[07:12] <MJCD> Intelo, using a pdf editing app?
[07:12] <MJCD> pretty sure gimp can import pdf
[07:12] <Intelo> MJCD, in android?
[07:12] <MJCD> Intelo, what does that have to do with #ubuntu
[07:13] <Intelo> MJCD, nothing
[07:13] <Intelo> MJCD,  just was an additional questin
[07:14] <dreamhawk> Hi, i have a small Linux-question :). Hope to find help here. I am setting up a simple webpage but want some more control over permissions. So. Webserver-user = "nobody" and the owner of files = "dev". So i would like chown dev:dev public/ for ownership, however this render the page with a internal server error. if i chown nobody:nobody public/, it works fine. So i try to use setfacl, "setfacl -Rm
[07:14] <dreamhawk> u:nobody:rwx public/", but eventhou it sets the right permissions, the webserver still cant display the webpage. What should i do?
[07:35] <dodocrypto> hey guys
[07:35] <dodocrypto> is there anyway to reinstall all packages that been installed
[07:35] <dodocrypto> redownload and auto reinstall
[07:38] <guiverc> dodocrypto, the fastest would be a re-install using something-else; use existing partitions & don't format; it notes your installed packages, re-installs & adds back your additional packages (if installed from sources and not local files thus cannot be found in sources) - that only works if you don't format partitions though, and backup as always first
[07:39] <dodocrypto> thank you
[07:39] <dodocrypto> guiverc is there any requirement for encryption
[07:39] <dodocrypto> i mean amount of ram for disk encryption
[07:40] <dodocrypto> i just have one gig of ram
[07:40] <dodocrypto> will it be enough
[07:41] <guiverc> dodocrypto, sorry I don't know, and have only used encryption on devices with 2gb+ of ram so haven't tried personally
[07:42] <guiverc> dodocrypto, 1gb isn't much ram
[07:44] <ducasse> dodocrypto: does your cpu have the aes extensions?
[07:45]  * dodocrypto brb
[07:54] <dodocrypto> hey guys
[07:54] <dodocrypto> what ubuntu download manager out there
[07:54] <dodocrypto> for 32 bit
[07:58] <ducasse> dodocrypto: try "apt search 'download manager'"
[08:05] <dodocrypto> thank you
[08:05] <dodocrypto> btw is there any https of cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[08:06] <dodocrypto> i want to reinstall
[08:06] <dodocrypto> and redownload
[08:07] <ducasse> i don't think there is, no
[08:08] <ryuo> erm. wasn't i386 removed as a complete architecture?
[08:08] <tarzeau> ryuo: yes in 20.04
[08:08] <tarzeau> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/ still available
[08:14] <dodocrypto> at least 18.04 support it still
[08:14] <dodocrypto> till 2023
[08:34] <RonaldsMazitis> I can't save as files to desktop
[08:35] <RonaldsMazitis> I have set chmod 777 desktop folder
[08:35] <RonaldsMazitis> still can't do anything
[08:36] <ducasse> do you get an error?
[08:36] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[08:36] <RonaldsMazitis> from any software - libreoffice, qt creater
[08:37] <RonaldsMazitis> Error while saving file: Cannot create file
[08:44] <rory> RonaldsMazitis: can you run this command OK?: touch ~/Desktop/test
[08:44] <rory> RonaldsMazitis: does it create an empty file called test on your desktop?
[08:44] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[08:45] <rory> can you save files elsewhere using libreoffice etc? is it just ~/Desktop directory which causes issues?
[08:45] <RonaldsMazitis> Home aswell
[08:46] <rory> were you running "touch" command as your own user? ie not using sudo or otherwise run as root?
[08:46] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[08:46] <rory> i wonder
[08:47] <rory> if you open the "test" file in libreoffice etc, then add some text, are you able to save it?
[08:47] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[08:47] <rory> so just creation of new files from there is failing. wtf.
[08:47] <RonaldsMazitis> save as just does not work, in libre office, qt creator etc
[08:47] <ducasse> maybe try an application that hasn't got apparmor profiles or isn't a snap
[08:48] <RonaldsMazitis> I really doubt it's a snap
[08:49] <ducasse> iirc libreoffice has apparmor, though
[08:50] <Intelo> clipboard copy is not working in virtual box. What can be the reasons. Settings are bidirectional clipboard share. Host: ubuntu: guest: ubuntu
[08:50] <Intelo> virtual box^
[08:54] <ducasse> have you installed the guest additions?
[09:12] <Abhijit> Hi
[09:12] <Abhijit> how to uninstall Microsoft Teams on Ubuntu?
[09:14] <ducasse> how did you install it?
[09:19] <northstrider> Is there anything wrong with this config in /etc/network/interfaces ? https://pastebin.com/raw/YmDNpkTe
[09:19] <northstrider> It's not picking up the DNS at all
[09:20] <northstrider> `ping google.com` gives temporary failure in name resolution, but pinging IPs works, as does `dig google.com @1.1.1.1`
[09:22] <ryuo> northstrider: erm. is that even picked up by resolved? check your resolv.conf
[09:22] <northstrider> resolv.conf is managed by systemd-resolve apparently
[09:22] <ryuo> you're not intended to use that anymore
[09:23] <northstrider> not intended to use what?
[09:23] <ryuo> the old network configuration system
[09:23] <ryuo> even debian now labels it as deprecated/legacy
[09:23] <northstrider> systemd-resolve?
[09:23] <ryuo> no
[09:24] <ryuo> /etc/network/interfaces
[09:24] <northstrider> Ah, I see. What should be used instead?
[09:24] <northstrider> This is just 18.04.4 LTS D:
[09:24] <ryuo> that's the old method; the systemd method involves networkd but on ubuntu you may want to use netplan instead
[09:25] <ryuo> your choice really. i avoid netplan on bionic due to its limitations.
[09:25] <ryuo> northstrider: you'd need to enable systemd-networkd if you want to use it directly. netplan is normally how it is started.
[09:26] <northstrider> Okay, thanks :)
[09:26] <ryuo> if you want to just use resolved for managing resolv.conf, you can replace the symlink
[09:26] <ryuo> otherwise it acts as an intermediary
[09:26] <ryuo> good/bad thing
[09:27] <ryuo> it can create problems for local DNS.
[09:27] <ryuo> if you have any on your network
[09:27] <ryuo> due to its async design
[09:27] <ryuo> maybe it's been improved in newer systemd
[09:28] <Abhijit> ducasse, they provided a .deb on their website.
[09:28] <Abhijit> ducasse, sudo dpkg -i that.deb
[09:30] <BadGuyAlex> Hello
[09:30] <BadGuyAlex> How to share Ethernet connection via WiFi but prohibit access to local network?
[09:32] <enyc> BadGuyAlex: hrrm....
[09:32] <enyc> BadGuyAlex: as in "creating a guest network" sort of thing?
[09:32] <enyc> BadGuyAlex: i've done manual hacky things myself, it in many respects 'depends what you mean' ;p
[09:34] <BadGuyAlex> I want to share an internet connection to a phone but I do not trust it at all and I don't want it to talk with other machines in my local network
[09:37] <ducasse> Abhijit: dpkg -P that
[09:38] <ryuo> BadGuyAlex: that's best done at the router. it could just not add it to the LAN bridge and instead place it on a different network and not allow routing of packets between these networks.
[09:38] <ryuo> otherwise you'd need to employ vlan to get something similar
[09:40] <BadGuyAlex> Ugh! If I just could write a handler function for this, that would be easy
[09:42] <ryuo> BadGuyAlex: well, otherwise it's on the same network and can connect to anything on it.
[09:42] <ryuo> it has to be done on whatever machine is acting as the internet gateway if you aren't using a more sophisicated switch system.
[09:43] <conjo> hi all i really need some help can anyone suggest a way to edit a watermark off a pdf using ubuntu-im really pressed for time-please help
[09:44] <conjo> hi all i really need some help can anyone suggest a way to edit a watermark off a pdf using ubuntu-im really pressed for time-please help
[09:44] <ryuo> conjo: generally no, as that would defeat the purpose of a watermark. they're virtually impossible to remove by design.
[09:45] <conjo> shit its a resume
[09:45] <ryuo> wouldn't you have the original source if its your own?
[09:46] <conjo> well print it put paper over the footer water mark then print again and scan to upload then email it
[09:47] <conjo> i made the cv on a resume builder online it has a footer watermark at the bottom of the document
[09:47] <conjo> luckily not over the middle
[09:47] <ryuo> if it's only in a footer, maybe you can remove that. it's not sounding like a watermark.
[09:50] <ryuo> conjo: https://www.sejda.com/pdf-editor
[09:50] <ryuo> all i can suggest. i don't work with pdf very often.
[09:50] <ryuo> i usually only "read" them
[09:51] <conjo> i cant thank you enough so so sooooo happy right now thank you =)
[09:52] <ryuo> conjo: a watermark would be over the whole image or so.
[09:54] <conjo> cheers didnt know how else to describe it but yeah you're right lols
[10:01] <Abhijit> ducasse, it worked. Thanks.
[10:11] <barg> I just had ubuntu live on usb, crash.. it won't start up a terminal even. So I checked maketecheasier.com/… and it said do sudo systemctl restart gdm3 to restart the xserver. Then I get an orange box and it says "live session user". I click it and I get a blanks screen for a while like just under a minute.. then it returns to that screen saying "live session user".
[10:22] <duibhneach> My Ubuntu 18.04 has a borked network. Half netplan, half old-style. Network Manager was purged... Any ideas how I can rebuild my network stack? I.e. remove 'enp39s0' and get systemd to recognise again from scratch? I'd prefere not to lose the install
[10:41] <naturalog> hi, i'd like to map ctrl+` to pgup, how to do that please?
[10:42] <EriC^^> naturalog: xbindkeys
[10:44] <naturalog> tx
[10:47] <naturalog> "
[10:47] <naturalog> xbindkeys is a program that allows you to launch shell commands with your keyboard or your mouse under X Window"
[10:47] <naturalog> how can i simulate pgup using shell command?
[10:48] <ducasse> the right way to do this is using xkbcomp and setxkbmap
[10:48] <naturalog> tx
[11:47] <benishor> ohai
[11:47] <benishor> I had some problems related to mouse being sluggish and all that
[11:47] <benishor> I finally found the cause. pretty lolstatic
[11:47] <benishor> I'm leaving a note here, perhaps it will help others
[11:48] <benishor> somehow, the refresh rate of my display got set to 23.98Hz
[11:48] <benishor> so that naturally caused the tearing and everything to seem sluggish
[11:48] <benishor> I can only presume my little kid messed around with the dropdown when I was holding him near the keyboard
[11:49] <benishor> anyways, it feels great to have it fixed
[11:49] <benishor> thanks for all the help
[11:54] <Intelo> I have virtualbox, apache running on guest and I want to view the webpage in host os. I think I need bridged network. Do I need any other configuration because I cannot ping the guest from host?
[12:05] <pavlushka> Intelo: type "ip neigh" in your host machine, you'll see a foreign ip listing, that's your guest ip, type that into your browser
[12:08] <Intelo> pavlushka,  nothing appears
[12:08] <Intelo> ifconfig shows though
[12:09] <pavlushka> Intelo: can you paste the output?
[12:10] <pavlushka> paste.ubuntu.com
[12:11] <Intelo> pavlushka,  no output
[12:11] <pavlushka> Intelo: and also "arp -n" ?
[12:12] <Intelo> pavlushka,  I cant copy paste either. guest addons/clipboard not working
[12:12] <Intelo> epty
[12:12] <Intelo> empty arp
[12:12] <pavlushka> Intelo: asked for your ifconfig output
[12:12] <pavlushka> Intelo: you have to do it in your host not guest
[12:23] <Intelo> pavlushka, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/q4qR9gR3pb/
[12:24] <pavlushka> Intelo: is your guest running now, can you access that through virtualbox?
[12:25] <pavlushka> Intelo: you have pasted the result of your guest machine, I asked for the host machine
[12:26] <pavlushka> Intelo: and try to type the 172.31.5.12 into your host machine's browser and feedback us.
[12:30] <Intelo> https://ibb.co/3p9sxH4\
[12:30] <Intelo> pavlushka,  the paste is of host
[12:33] <pavlushka> Intelo: hwat's your host os and guest os?
[12:39] <lupulo> hi
[12:39] <Intelo> pavlushka, kubuntu, ubuntu-server
[13:21] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:52] <analogical> Ubuntu 18.04.4 was supposed to be release today has it been delayed??
[13:53] <pragmaticenigma> analogical: I've been running 18.04.4 for quite some time... are you seeing errors when you run apt?
[13:55] <analogical> pragmaticenigma, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseSchedule
[13:56] <pragmaticenigma> analogical: That is a best guess as to when updates will be released, they may occur earlier or later than those published dates
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> analogical: If there is information you would like to know, please ask
[13:59] <analogical> pragmaticenigma, I already did and you didn't know
[13:59] <pragmaticenigma> analogical: I'm referring to the CTCP request
[14:00] <analogical> so you prefer Windows 10 rather than Ubuntu?
[14:00] <analogical> interesting
[14:01] <pragmaticenigma> analogical: That is an off topic question for this channel
[14:19] <barg> I just had ubuntu live on usb, crash.. it won't start up a terminal even. So I googled and checked the link https://www.maketecheasier.com/4-ways-to-get-yourself-out-of-a-ubuntu-crash/ and it said do sudo systemctl restart gdm3 to restart the xserver. Then I get an orange box and it says "live session user". I click it and I get a blanks screen for a while like just under a minute.. then it
[14:19] <barg> returns to that screen saying "live session user".
[14:20] <pragmaticenigma> barg: The only way to recover from crash in a Live session is to reboot
[14:21] <barg> ok, thanks.. Also, will it remember what changes I made since the last time I ran it or does it reset like a CD ROM?
[14:21] <barg> And if it resets like a CD ROM, is there any way to boot off USB such that it treats it like a hard drive?
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> barg: It will not remember, the Live USB can be setup with persistance so some things can be recovered
[14:22] <pragmaticenigma> !persistance | barg
[14:23] <pragmaticenigma> !persistence | barg
[14:23] <barg> thanks
[14:34] <barg> if i had a usb hard drive rather than usb flash drive, could I install ubuntu directly on that and then boot ubuntu off the usb hard drive and it's totally not live?
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> barg: depending on your computer setup and features... it might be possible
[14:37] <Cooler> hey, the builtin terminal of ubuntu 18.04
[14:37] <Cooler> does it support saving layouts?
[14:37] <Cooler> I have 8 tabs open
[14:38] <Cooler> each having a separate ssh session
[14:38] <Cooler> is it better to use tmux for this?
[14:38] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | Cooler
[14:39] <barg> pragmaticenigma: what do you mean when you say "depending on your computer setup and features... it might be possible".  What setup and features are required?  thanks
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Cooler: I'm not aware of any method for saving the current "session" or "state" of gnome-terminal. Tmux sounds like a better option
[14:39] <tatertots> Cooler: better and best are subjective terms...what's better/best for person "A" may not be better/best for person "B" ect
[14:40] <BluesKaj> barg, boot from usb in the uefi/bios boot sequence for starters
[14:40] <gitShrekt> Hello
[14:40] <gitShrekt> does Wayland GNOME have touchpad gestures
[14:40] <gitShrekt> like nice ones
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> barg: The computer's BIOS needs to support being able to determine if the drive is bootable. Also, some computer BIOS/Firmware do not like it when a bootable drive is removed
[14:41] <Cooler> well my usecase is that when I want to be able to open the terminal and have all 8 tabs show up
[14:42] <Cooler> but only if I want to, by default if I open a terminal it should open a normal terminal window
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> Cooler: I don't believe there is an ability to do that
[14:42] <Cooler> some sort of file > save and file > open functionality would be nice
[14:43] <barg> BluesKaj: of course but that applies to a usb flash drive too, and I already have that
[14:43] <Cooler> hmm https://askubuntu.com/questions/310705/some-fast-way-to-save-and-restore-tabs-of-terminal
[14:43] <gitShrekt> Nobody ??
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> !patience | gitShrekt
[14:44] <BluesKaj> barg, once you remove the flash drive the boot sequence will revert to HDD or SSD
[14:44] <leftyfb> Cooler: you should look into terminator
[15:05] <sentiment> Hello. I have an AMD radeon 4650 gpu and I need to use opencl to run some software. But I found that the Linux open source driver doesn't support opencl. I searched around the web and found some complicated procedures that could work for cards other than mine (because the amdgpu driver doesn't seem to support my card). Am I out of luck and do I have to use Windows?
[15:07] <bieb> I am building a new Ubuntu server for Wordpress at our office.. Would you recommend the OS be on a 120gb SSD and data/WP/DB on a 2 tb HDD?
[15:08] <tatertots> sentiment: you're out of luck...the open source driver doesn't support your use case
[15:08] <leftyfb> bieb: put everything on the SSD. If you're wordpress site is over a few gigs in size, you're doing something wrong.
[15:08] <tatertots> sentiment: on the bright side...you can buy a GCN 1.x or newer card like the RX 570 for undre $400 USD on newegg
[15:09] <bieb> leftyfb: thanks
[15:09] <sentiment> or just use Windows
[15:09] <sentiment> thanks
[15:19] <Hornet> Hello. Could someone knowledgable with package management please help me through downgrading lib6c? I've got into a catch 22 and need to roll back a bit apparently, but it's not straightforwards and looks breaky
[15:22] <Hornet> https://pastebin.com/f4DqutD2 for the exact issue. it looks like newer versions were installed by a debian repo I'd added safely a while ago, but it then upgraded past ubuntu. I've removed the repo from sources but the too-high package remains
[15:22] <Hornet> google is full of people with similar issues and no clear answers unfortunately
[15:23] <ash_guest> when I open whatever screen you open by hitting the super-key and type team, I get two icons for team viewer that do different things
[15:23] <ash_guest> when I open the first one and check help it says it's an old version of team viewer
[15:23] <ash_guest> when I check apt list --installed, I only see the most recent version
[15:24] <ash_guest> how can I find out what *program* is actually being launched by these icons?
[15:25] <pragmaticenigma> ash_guest: That happens when you manually install the application outside of the package manager... we could only help you remove the one installed through the package manager... you'll have to submit a help desk ticket to TeamViewer directly for help on removing the version you manually installed
[15:25] <ash_guest> this happens to me a lot and the frustrating thing is that the answer is like "look for it in dpkg" or something. It's like, "yeah, if I knew what name I was looking for, I wouldn't need to look at all."
[15:26] <ash_guest> pragmaticenigma: yeah, idk, I have had other case where installing something left residue icons
[15:26] <ash_guest> not necessarily through apt I guess. I dunno. About 50% of the time I'd say, I run into problems staying with just the ubuntu repos
[15:27] <Hornet> I use mint with UI, I've not had issues with that. my pure ubuntu is headless though
[15:27] <Hornet> so I doubt I can be of much help
[15:27] <pragmaticenigma> ash_guest: And as I believe you've been told before, it's not recommended to install software from other sources. As this channel can't help with things there is no documentation for.
[15:28] <ash_guest> iirc the version of Team Viewer on the main branch doesn't work correctly.
[15:28] <pavlushka> Intelo: sorry, can't figure out, I usually use virt-manager with qemu and deal with the guest machines just like any other remote machines without any extra configurations, may be someone else might help or try virtualbox specific channel if there's any, good luck
[15:28] <ash_guest> in any event, I am basically looking for the parallel to Windows right-click "properties" and checking the "target" of an icon
[15:29] <ash_guest> I was just hoping something like that existed on ubuntu
[15:29] <ash_guest> I can't imagine there's _no_ way to find out what an icon is triggering
[15:29] <Hornet> maybe don't, use ps or something and see what's running after you click it?
[15:30] <pavlushka> Intelo: meanwhile installed virtualbox in Ubuntu 18.04 though but lazy enough not to tinker with because with my setup I don't need to in general :)
[15:31] <ash_guest> Hornet: good idea
[15:33] <Hornet> Is anyone able to assist me with downgrading a package or two? I'm going in circles now
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> Hornet: There is no mechanism for downgrading
[15:34] <Hornet> removing and reinstalling I suppose then?
[15:34] <Hornet> libc6 seems too integral to just blindly try that with though
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> Hornet: It's unfortunate that this kind of is a "told ya so" but that's why its well documented to not mix Debian repos with Ubuntu. If you need something from Debian, best to use Debian. That is an integral library and that's why there is no definitive answer to your research. pulling it, takes so much with it, you'd be better off just wiping the system and starting from scratch
[15:38] <Hornet> at the time it was safe and in sync, they had no plans to update it further, then they did anyway :\
[15:38] <Hornet> apparently forcing a specific version to be installed can be done, I can see how using synaptic, not bash though
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> synaptic uses package pinning... I'm just affraid changing the version number might cause other fallout
[15:40] <Hornet> dpgk has a -force-downgrade option that looks helpful, but I can't see how to find the exact slug to feed it on
[15:40] <Hornet> maybe, but atm it's pretty broken
[15:40] <Hornet> so only way is up
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> !info libc6
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> !info libc6 bionic
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> Hornet: ^  ^  ^  those are the version for 19.10 and 18.04 respectively... does that help?
[15:42] <Hornet> interestingly, no - they're too new. which means the server installation is older than I realised
[15:42] <Hornet> I'm trying to get package management up so I can update it
[15:43] <ioria> Hornet, what's the kernel ? unamr -r
[15:43] <ioria> *uname -r
[15:43] <Hornet>  3.13.0-143-generic
[15:43] <ioria> trusty
[15:44] <Hornet> 14.04, yep
[15:44] <ioria> Hornet, trusty should use 2.19-0ubuntu6.15 libc6
[15:44] <Hornet> lsb_release -a a little more informative
[15:44] <Hornet> handy, where are you finding that information from?
[15:44] <ioria> Hornet,  dpkg -l | grep libc
[15:44] <gitShrekt> If nobody's gonna tell me if Ubuntu has touchpad gestures I'm gonna switch to Windows
[15:45] <tatertots> lol
[15:45] <Hornet> I also need libc-l10n and libc-bin - thanks, will investigate
[15:45] <gitShrekt> You have 10 seconds
[15:45] <Hornet> 'maybe'
[15:45] <nss> gitShrekt: with wayland yes
[15:45] <gitShrekt> lol it worked
[15:45] <gitShrekt> but are they configurable
[15:45] <gitShrekt> I saw only the 4 finger ones
[15:45] <gitShrekt> 4 FINGERS
[15:46] <gitShrekt> What I am i
[15:46] <gitShrekt> What am I*, an illegal alien
[15:46] <gitShrekt> stealing yer jebs
[15:46] <ioria> Hornet,  if apt is broken, you'll probably need to manually download those .debs and use dpkg -i
[15:47] <Hornet> ioria: thanks, probably yes. are you using a 14.04 then? as dpkg is showing me the too-high numbers for the other two I need
[15:47] <Hornet> in which case could I trouble you for the right answers?
[15:47] <ioria> Hornet,  i'am not using 14.04
[15:49] <Hornet> okay, thanks, I think I see what it's showing me here
[15:49] <ioria> Hornet, libc-bin should be the same version
[15:49] <Hornet> https://pastebin.com/f4DqutD2 is the original problem, ioria
[15:51] <ioria> Hornet, apt-cache policy libc-l10n
[15:52] <Hornet> libc-bin 2.19-0ubuntu6.14 , libc-l10n 2.21-7+linux2.6.32 , libc6:amd64 2.21-7+linux2.6.32 I think these are the ones I need
[15:52] <Hornet> Installed: 2.21-7+linux2.6.32 , candidate teh same
[15:55] <Hornet> https://pastebin.com/crU6jwh4 lightly confusion
[15:56] <pragmaticenigma> Hornet: There is a slight complication... 14.04 reached EOL in April of 2019 :-/
[15:56] <Hornet> I'm upgrading it so that's academic, repos will be archived surely
[15:58] <ioria> Hornet,  libc-bin is ok (also if outdated) the others you need to force a manual install i guess
[15:59] <ioria> Hornet,  https://blog.simos.info/how-to-completely-remove-a-third-party-repository-from-ubuntu/
[16:02] <Hornet> I did encounter that, but I'm not sure it applies, the repo was directly added into sources.list and has been since removed
[16:03] <Hornet> unsure if that would help or just break things more
[16:03] <Hornet> I'm currently trying to find the right /debs
[16:03] <Hornet> .
[16:05] <Hornet> libc6 isn't findable :\
[16:06] <duibhneach> does anyone have advice on how to reset the network stack for systemd / netplan on 18.04? I've borked it and I think I need to make systemd / PCI forget about my network and make it regenerate/rediscover it
[16:07] <pragmaticenigma> duibhneach: would just deleting the profiles (preferably moving the config files out of the config folder) be enough to get you back to base?
[16:07] <multifractal> Just rigged up a displaylink hub to have extra screens on my Dell 9370 with 18.04. I spent a while tweaking the display and resolution settings, but after I restarted they were gone and I had to re-do them all. Will this keep on happening? Is there anything I can do to keep them persistent?
[16:08] <pragmaticenigma> multifractal: You might have to create a xorg config file to save the settings more permanently. Ubuntu typically auto generates a profile on each boot
[16:09] <duibhneach> maybe so! any hint as to where profile / config files are?
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> unfortunately I haven't done much work with netplan... but if you're not sure where the config files are you sure you are using netplan and not NetworkManager?
[16:10] <ducasse> duibhneach: /etc/netplan
[16:10] <Hornet> ioria, the way that works requires data in /var/lib/apt/lists/ , which isn't there, at least for the errant repo
[16:10] <Hornet> just double-checked
[16:11] <duibhneach> ducasse: I've tried to do that. From googling, I think I need to regenerate the interface 'enp39s0' but not 100% sure how
[16:12] <pavlushka> Intelo: join #vbox channel, that might help you including google
[16:14] <ducasse> duibhneach: afaik the netplan files are generated by logic in the installer, the only other way i know of is manually writing them
[16:15] <ioria> Hornet,  dpkg -l | grep +linux2.6 | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:16] <Hornet> https://termbin.com/vsjf
[16:17] <Hornet> I think it's the + that's breaking my searching then
[16:17] <Hornet> that and getting terminal blindness, been at this for hours -_-
[16:17] <Hornet> thanks for your help, it's much appreciated
[16:18] <duibhneach> pomust go
[16:21] <Hornet> I think sudo aptitude install libc-l10n=2.21-7+linux2.6.32 libc6=2.21-7+linux2.6.32 might be the magic answer?
[16:21] <Hornet> I'm not sure how + is handled in apt* though
[16:21] <SimonNL> if not there it's not there
[16:21] <Hornet> aptitude is apparently better at this than apt-get install for some reason
[16:23] <Hornet> https://pastebin.com/PAtsWfXy ioria et al
[16:23] <Hornet> that's ... not very friendly
[16:24] <Hornet> I'm wondering if the 'partly installed' packages are part of the issue
[16:26] <pragmaticenigma> They definitely could have a influence
[16:26] <Intelo> pavlushka, ok. thanks
[16:27] <Hornet> how can I tell it to abandon them?
[16:27] <Hornet> I'm miles out of my depth now
[16:27] <pragmaticenigma> me too
[16:27] <Hornet> .-.
[16:30] <ioria> Hornet,  aptitude not working ?
[16:31] <Hornet> ioria, see the pastebin, it wants to nuke everything from orbit
[16:35] <ioria> Hornet,  apt -s install --reinstall libc6=2.19-0ubuntu6.15
[16:39] <Hornet> ioria, it just repeats the same errors about unmet dependancies
[16:41] <Hornet> I tried aptitude in interactive mode, it was interesting, it worked out it needed to downgrade, I told it to apply with '!', it looked like it did things, I then quit and reloaded it and it didn't see the issue to solve any more
[16:41] <Hornet> BUT, the same error -still- appears in apt?!
[16:41] <Hornet> after update etc#
[16:41] <Hornet> I'm deeply confused now
[16:42] <ioria> Hornet,  check apt-cache policy again
[16:43] <ioria> Hornet,  btw, are you on a 14.04 extended support  , right ?
[16:44] <ZeroBeholder> Hello, I would like to install the regular amd64 ubuntu live desktop iso to a usb stick-- I would like to run the ubuntu server install iso from the runing desktop loaded.
[16:44] <ZeroBeholder> Is this possible? Or should I put the crackpipe down...?
[16:45] <ioria> Hornet,  correct me but that libc-l10n it's not an ubuntu package, so you might remove it
[16:45] <Hornet> ioria it's 14.04 LTS yes, it's not been updated in 'some time' though, due to this issue. it's been behind a firewall and turned off until today though, so should be quite secure
[16:46] <Hornet> I did via aptitude
[16:46] <ioria> Hornet,  what  apt-cache policy  libc6
[16:47] <Hornet> policy reports that l10n is still installed though :|
[16:47] <Hornet> sec
[16:48] <Hornet> https://termbin.com/x3jw ioria
[16:48] <ZeroBeholder> X -> Y problem possibly. I want to modify the SSDs and Hard Drive array from the running live USB. But, I need to update the Intel e1000e and set up hibernation/Wake-on-LAN... cut/paste text & files stored in a folder on the USB flash drive. But, I want gedit/kate/something to use instead of vi.
[16:49] <ioria> Hornet,  no, it did nothing
[16:49] <Hornet> that's what I thought... so the apt problem is stopping us fixing it with apt? do I need to dpkg -i with the deb file to hand?
[16:50] <Hornet> ZeroBeholder, nano is nice
[16:50] <pragmaticenigma> ZeroBeholder: There's a lot to unpack there... what is your immediate need?
[16:52] <ZeroBeholder> I am not smart yet. Brightening ever so slightly each minute. I am going to load ubuntu server on a bootable usb disk. I will load kde or something. Then I will copy over the things I need for the persnickety Intel s1200bts motherboard. Finally I will boot the board with the USB flash drive and start up the ubuntu server install...
[16:52] <Hornet> ioria, so if I grab the .deb from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64/libc6/2.19-0ubuntu6.15 should I try force feeding it with dpkg?
[16:52] <ZeroBeholder> A bog standard server flavor install leaves the board with "issues". Partly because the e1000e driver is crap.
[16:53] <ZeroBeholder> I have never experienced so much sadness from any motherboard.
[16:53] <ioria> Hornet,  yep (you can try) for all of them
[16:55] <Hornet> https://termbin.com/1ksf !
[16:56] <ZeroBeholder> Thanks for the attempt and the rubber ducking.
[16:56] <ZeroBeholder> Adios monfreres
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> ioria: found my fan issue, bug #1862150
[17:07] <NasusiroTokasoni> Hi.
[17:09] <ioria> lotuspsychje, ok... but you said that your htop was fine
[17:09] <kinghat> if you run a snap it takes time to load, if you close the app and run it again its almost instant, does that mean its just held in memory forever?
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> ioria: well the thing is, after xscreensaver is interupted by mouse, it vanishes so quickly from htop, i never saw it rised in cpu
[17:10] <ioria> lotuspsychje, i see
[17:11] <ioria> Hornet, is ok, good
[17:14] <Hornet> ioria, I'm just chasing around similar things now but manual searching and -i seems to be working. many thanks for your help, this seems to have nailed it
[17:14] <ioria> Hornet, good job
[17:14] <NasusiroTokasoni> Hey, if I want to install ubuntu, what should I choose as a mount point? I don't really know the difference between the options.
[17:14] <seanrdev> Question. I have one user on ubuntu server. Lets call this user1. Well user1 edited /etc/sudoers file and made massive mistakes. So in order to correct that issue one has to log in as root. However I cannot access root as there is no password for this accound during install. I cannot use sudo on user1 as the file is messed up. What are my options?
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> !partitioning | NasusiroTokasoni
[17:15] <seanrdev> su root doesn't work. sudo -i gives errors. I'm a little stuck on this one.
[17:16] <NasusiroTokasoni> Thanks for the link! I'll look into it.
[17:17] <ioria> seanrdev, recovery mode
[17:17] <ducasse> seanrdev: boot in maintenance mode, and you can fix it
[17:17] <Hornet> or pull & mount the drive in something else
[17:18] <seanrdev> So no way to fix remotely. Damn.....
[17:19] <Hornet> well you could hack it from a non-root account
[17:19] <Hornet> https://termbin.com/2037 mission succesful, apt is behaving again! thanks again ioria, that was a mission and a half
[17:19] <Hornet> 4 hours of swearing
[17:19] <ioria> Hornet, very good
[17:21] <seanrdev> Well I guess it's a shot if I can find a privilege escalation exploit. Ok guys. Thanks for the help.
[17:27] <Reventlov> Hello
[17:28] <Reventlov> I'm having trouble with WiFi on one HP (RTL8111/8168/8411): it can connect to some WiFi networks, but not on the other
[17:46] <ioria> Reventlov, are you that is your wifi adapter ? lspci -nnk | grep -i net
[18:04] <jeremy31> Reventlov: that is ethernet
[18:20] <tatertots> Reventlov: you may not meet the requirements to connect to the wireless network
[18:20] <tatertots> Reventlov: especially if it's a school or college wireless network on campus
[18:20] <tatertots> Reventlov: and there's not really much you can do about it either if that's the case
[19:15] <Notguest96> Hi, I have a question about unbuntu, can I still install all my google chrome extensions?
[19:15] <Notguest96> Please tag me if you want to get my attention
[19:17] <sarnold> Notguest96: no idea. if your google chrome extensions were built just for windows or mac, probably not. if they're webextensions, probably they'll work fine
[19:18] <Notguest96> This is my first Linux system so I'm not used to it sarnold
[19:18] <Notguest96> I still haven't installed it yet because I use a lot of chrome extension
[19:21] <sarnold> hmm, I can't spot anything on eg to suggest which platforms it'll work on https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/vimium/dbepggeogbaibhgnhhndojpepiihcmeb?hl=en
[19:22] <sarnold> Notguest96: you could try it out in a VM first, I guess; performance would probably be way worse than you're used to, but it might be good enough to let you install the extensions and make sure they work first
[19:23] <Notguest96> I'm gonna be installing it on a crappy laptop so I don't have the luxury to do that  sarnold
[19:23] <sarnold> Notguest96: oh. bummer :(
[19:23] <tatertots> Notguest96: you don't mention any chrome extensions by name specifically...a vague inquiry is only deserving of a vague response
[19:24] <tatertots> Notguest96: you won't know anything until you actually take actions to install chrome and the extensions that you didn't name and test for yourself
[19:25] <Notguest96> tatertots it's a lot, but for example stuff like ublock, dark reader, privacy possum and umatrix
[19:27] <tatertots> install and test for yourself
[19:28] <sarnold> loads of folks talk about ublock and umatrix all the time, so those will likely just work
[19:28] <sarnold> dark reader feels like it's just new csses for sites, probably it'll just work
[19:29] <Notguest96> ok
[19:29] <Notguest96> I looked online and it seem like it'll work so i'll try it
[19:46] <crimson_king> After changing the SSH port from the default 22 to a non-privileged higher-number port, the SSH service no longer starts on boot, despite being enabled when queried with `systemctl status`. What could it be?
[19:47] <sarnold> what do the logs say?
[19:56] <crimson_king> sarnold, I checked auth.log and systemctl status, but there are not errors. The service is stopped on boot, then I login using the hosting provider website and manually start SSH. Only then I can ssh into it.
[19:57] <crimson_king> sarnold, Wanna take a look at the auth.log?
[19:57] <sarnold> crimson_king: try journalctl -ex -u ssh
[19:58] <ioria> crimson_king, also try to start in debug mode : /usr/sbin/sshd -p xxxx  -D -d -e
[19:58] <crimson_king> sarnold, no entries
[19:58] <crimson_king> ioria, ok, trying now
[19:59] <crimson_king> sarnold, sorry, my bad, i had to run as root
[19:59] <sarnold> aha :)
[19:59] <sarnold> also sudo sshd -T   can help spot errors in configs
[20:00] <ioria> i'am wondering if you're  running it as a regular process instead of service/daemon
[20:01] <sarnold> heh, that'd be an impressive amount of systemd unit file goofing ;)
[20:02] <crimson_king> sarnold, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rd8mRNqTb8/
[20:04] <crimson_king> sarnold, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hWgPRWwn4c/
[20:04] <crimson_king> first is ssh -T, the second is journalctl -ex -u ssh
[20:05] <crimson_king> sshd -T*
[20:05] <sarnold> crimson_king: hmm, it all seems like it's working fine ... when you said "the SSH service no longer starts on boot", how did you determine this?
[20:06] <leftyfb> crimson_king: journalctl -n 100 -xeu ssh
[20:06] <crimson_king> I was getting connection refused from the terminal. But I can still login through the hosting provider website and check if ssh is running
[20:07] <crimson_king> And it wasn't running
[20:07] <leftyfb> sarnold: the reason it failed is probably before the "Unit ssh.service has failed." message at the very top
[20:07] <crimson_king> But it still said "enabled"
[20:07] <leftyfb> crimson_king: please pastebin the output from the modified journalctl command I posted above
[20:07] <crimson_king> ok
[20:08] <crimson_king> ah, I see some errors now.
[20:08] <ioria> the network ?
[20:09] <leftyfb> crimson_king: care to share this new info?
[20:09] <crimson_king> How do I make a paste to paste.ubuntu.com from the terminal? I forgot.
[20:09] <leftyfb> you can install pastebinit
[20:09] <ioria> there was a bug where ssh starts before network.target
[20:11] <crimson_king> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wxwrBtwM8z/
[20:13] <crimson_king> Those errors are old. October 30. It's not that.
[20:13] <leftyfb> crimson_king: you have something else running on port 22 on boot and your service still configured to do so as well?
[20:14] <leftyfb> oh
[20:15] <crimson_king> This started about an hour ago. I changed Port 22 to another in sshd_config, then I allowed the new port in UFW, deleting port 22 from it as well.
[20:15] <crimson_king> After a reboot, bang! Connection refused. Then I check it, SSH is not running.
[20:15] <nelgin> Hey all. I'm looking at the acpi package for 18.04LTS and it appears to have both systemd and init.d files in there. Any reason for this? It looks like my customer has enabled it in init.d - any reason to use one rather than the other?
[20:15] <sarnold> I wonder why the "not running" doesn't show up in the logs though :( that's just weird
[20:16] <crimson_king> sarnold, I'll show you what I see from the hosting provider web console.
[20:17] <sarnold> nelgin: "it's complicated" :( -- debian still lets people switch inits, so they aren't removing the /etc/init.d/ versions; while we could remove them, it'd be a lot more changes compared to debian that we'd have to carry forward. I think we should do it, but I'm just one voice..
[20:17] <vlt> Hello. I have a (powered) USB hub. When I connect a mouse, its red LED flashes only for about a second and I get this message: https://termbin.com/cj70   Any idea why and how to fix this?
[20:17] <nelgin> Meh ok.
[20:18] <nelgin> I'm trying to detect when the reset switch is pressed and I thought the acpid.service being off was stopping it logging, obviously not since it was running from init.d
[20:19] <sarnold> vlt: wild guess, you may have too many devices in that hub, or perhaps some usb2 or 1.2 or 1.1 or 1.0 or similar devices plugged into it, causing the whole thing to run at slower speeds. (at least I think usb does this.)
[20:20] <crimson_king> sarnold, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qJf6cvRHBg/  - systemctl status ssh
[20:21] <g3poandlsl> Trying to set up automatic LUKS unlocking for root at boot time with clevis and tang.  The tang server is already set up and working correctly. When I run clevis-bind-luks -d /dev/sd3 tang '{"url":"<URL>:<PORT>"}' and accept the key, not key is added to the LUKS partition.
[20:21] <vlt> sarnold: The mouse is the *only* device.
[20:21] <sarnold> crimson_king: hmm. I wonder; does it start or not on a fresh boot?
[20:22] <crimson_king> sarnold, This output is right after a fresh boot
[20:23] <nelgin> Is your hub plugged into usb2 or usb3? Whichever, try swapping it.
[20:23] <ioria> crimson_king, and what happens if you revert to 22 port ?
[20:23] <crimson_king> ioria, I'll do it now.
[20:25] <nelgin> vlt, lots of people have a similar problem. Matching hub usb with computer usb (ie, usb2.0 hub to usb2.0 port) seems to fix it for them.
[20:28] <crimson_king> ioria, Then it works, via port 22
[20:28] <nelgin> crimson_king - did run journalctl -u sshd to see what the error is?
[20:28] <ioria> crimson_king, it's a VPS right ?
[20:29] <crimson_king> Yes, VPS
[20:29] <crimson_king> nelgin, no errors
[20:30] <crimson_king> I think I pasted already ^
[20:30] <vlt> nelgin: It's plugged into USB 3. `lsusb -t` with and without the hub: https://termbin.com/us85
[20:33] <adac> Hi there! On one of my ubuntu servers I suddenly get on autocomplete: ls -bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system
[20:33] <adac> -bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: Read-only file system
[20:33] <adac> also docker process cannot be started anymore
[20:33] <adac> any ideas?
[20:33] <adac> I tried to reboot. It did came back but reboot didn't solve it
[20:34] <sarnold> adac: check dmesg -- probably there's loads of filesystem errors in there
[20:35] <ioria> crimson_king, i don't use VPS, idk if something must be set or unset: paste    grep -i port /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:36] <crimson_king> ioria, will do in a moment, it's restarting...
[20:37] <crimson_king> I'm trying to change the port in sshd_config but leave port 22 enabled on the firewall along with the new port.
[20:38] <crimson_king> ok, I got something. I can ssh via port 22 even when it's configured to another port in sshd_config
[20:38] <leftyfb> crimson_king: can you ssh to the new port? Can you post your sshd_config?
[20:38] <crimson_king> I can't ssh to the new port. It gives me connection refused.
[20:38] <crimson_king> OK, will paste
[20:39] <crimson_king> leftyfb, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tGNz77zrVh/
[20:42] <crimson_king> Could the VPS provider be overriding the port to 22 somehow?
[20:42] <crimson_king> In their default images...
[20:42] <leftyfb> crimson_king: could be. Depends on what sort of solution they're running
[20:43] <crimson_king> I see they're changing some settings using some component named cloud-init or something like that... I don't understand it much.
[20:44] <crimson_king> I'm gonna look at their documentation.
[20:44] <leftyfb> crimson_king: yup, cloud-init definitely does that
[20:45] <leftyfb> crimson_king: are you using Digital Ocean?
[20:45] <crimson_king> leftyfb, No, I think this provider only operates in Brazil
[20:46] <crimson_king> Locaweb
[20:47] <ioria> crimson_king, silly thing; try 58342
[20:47] <crimson_king> ok
[20:47] <leftyfb> ioria: it won't work. cloud-init is overwriting
[20:47] <ioria> ah, it's coloud ?
[20:47] <ioria> *vloud
[20:48] <leftyfb> crimson_king: I'm going to guess the settings are in your Locaweb web console settings which cloud-init uses at boot
[20:49] <crimson_king> leftyfb, I looked for any info on changing ports on their docs, but there's nothing
[20:50] <Notguest96> I installed linux
[20:50] <crimson_king> I'm now looking at /etc/cloud/* to find anything related to ssh
[20:50] <Notguest96> It's a big laggy but the extension are working with chrome
[20:50] <Notguest96> Thanks to whoever helped me
[20:50] <ioria> crimson_king, you can disable it  with a kernel parameter
[20:51] <leftyfb> ioria: I wouldn't do that. No telling what default settings they have in there to made the server work/accessible
[20:51] <ioria> right, right
[20:51] <crimson_king> Yeah, that's what I'm afraid to
[20:51] <leftyfb> crimson_king: was there a place you had to setup an ssh key when you created the instance?
[20:52] <Notguest96> Also, I recently downloaded mumble from launchpad and i'm a bit confused
[20:52] <crimson_king> leftyfb, Well, they give us the option to set an ssh key to login with when you first create the instance.
[20:52] <Notguest96> This is my first time on linux
[20:52] <Notguest96> where is the launchpad app at?
[20:52] <crimson_king> leftyfb, I used it.
[20:52] <leftyfb> crimson_king: think you can go back to that spot/config in your web console for Locaweb?
[20:53] <makr8100> Notguest96: what distro and window manager are you using?
[20:54] <makr8100> You can just try the super/meta/windows key, and try alt+f1 or ctrl+esc
[20:54] <Notguest96> ubuntu and just the default makr8100
[20:54] <makr8100> Those are common shortcuts to open app launcher menus
[20:54] <makr8100> Ah, then everything should be on the left bar but I forget how to open the all progs menu
[20:56] <crimson_king> leftyfb, Only by deleting everything and reinstalling the OS
[20:56] <makr8100> Are there 9 dots arranged in a 3x3 square at the bottom left?  That looks to be default for 18 LTS
[20:57] <Notguest96> Also my mouse is a bit laggy
[20:57] <crimson_king> leftyfb, I'll try to contact their support and ask...
[20:57] <makr8100> I usually suggest KDE for noobs coming from Windows, it's a lot more familiar feeling
[21:08] <WaV> My SSH client appears to be automatically requesting X11 to be enabled during an ssh session to a remote host. I have to disable it via -x. Is this expected behavior? I don't recall this happening until recently.
[21:19] <metbsd> is there a way to run a linux distribution from usb drive?
[21:19] <metbsd> even update and reboot
[21:21] <WaV> Disregard, I forgot I edited /etc/ssh/ssh_config some months ago to Forward X11.
[21:21] <bprompt> metbsd:  sure, you can, but is a live session, why bother?
[21:22] <crimson_king> metbsd, You can install any distribution on a USB drive the same way you do on a normal SSD/HDD. Just keep in mind that it's going to be slower and, since it's flash memory, it will wear the device really fast if there's a lot of I/O.
[21:24] <crimson_king> metbsd, Some lightweight distributions are made for that purpose, and they will try to minimize I/O to help keep the flash drive going for longer.
[21:24] <metbsd> cuz i don't want to affect my hard drive
[21:25] <metbsd> cannot update live system?
[21:26] <metbsd> i want to run from usb drive just like hd
[21:26] <crimson_king> metbsd, You have to install the OS on the usb drive then.
[21:27] <crimson_king> But you need the installer in one USB device and the target device connected so you can install to it.
[21:27] <crimson_king> So you need 2 USB devices...
[21:31] <metbsd> can't i just burn a preinstalled usb image and burn it to usb to run for good
[21:32] <Notguest96> I can't install from PPA
[21:32] <Notguest96> I get stuck after the update part
[21:33] <Notguest96> I can't see the app installed anywhere
[21:35] <EriC^^> metbsd: if you have virtualbox you could use it to install directly to the usb
[21:36] <EriC^^> you'd need to make the usb a raw disk file and load that as the hdd in virtualbox and the ubuntu iso as the initial loader
[21:37] <metbsd> can live system be updated?
[21:46] <mkquist> metbsd: or something like this?  https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/
[21:47] <mkquist> metbsd: not quite the same
[21:48] <johnjay> how do I get a system monitor into the task bar for ubuntu 18?
[21:48] <johnjay> is the default DE gnome?
[21:51] <Notguest96> Launchpad.net is not working for me
[21:52] <Notguest96> I seem to be doing something wrong when I try to get a ppa
[21:54] <nCoV_fren> Hi Frens!
[21:59] <makr8100> metbsd: opensuse can run from a live iso and software installs/updates are peristent because it makes/uses a file system with the remaining space on the usb drive
[21:59] <makr8100> no tweaking needed, it just works
[22:00] <makr8100> dd the live iso to the usb stick and you can boot off it, the filesystem is made on 1st boot of the os
[22:05] <barquentine> hello!
[22:07] <barquentine> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on my dad's laptop. He's got a hard drive called /dev/sda. The SSD that I'm trying to put Ubuntu on for him is called /dev/sdb. I created a partition (the whole drive) and the mount point as "/". When prompted to continue, it tells me that "swap" will be on (sda). Does that make sense? Shouldn't it be on sdb? Thanks guys
[22:10] <Fuchs> barquentine: then you need to leave some space on sdb for swap  (or not have swap at all)
[22:10] <Fuchs> (well, or a swapfile, but ... meh)
[22:11] <barquentine> oh gotcha! that makes sense
[22:11] <barquentine> learning as I go along here ...
[22:11] <Fuchs> barquentine: personally I also recommend a separate /boot, and if you want encrypted home directories, separate /home might make sense
[22:12] <Fuchs> but from an entirely technical point of view, the only thing that absolutely needs to be separate is swap, as that is not under / and a different "filesystem"
[22:12] <Fuchs> given it's a laptop, personally  I recommend having swap, if you want to suspend to disk
[22:12] <Fuchs> (then it needs to be at least as big as RAM)
[22:13] <barquentine> strange! So now it tells me that both sda and sdb are swap. Is 40GB not enough?
[22:13] <barquentine> It's a 240GB hard drive and I allocated 200 for ext4
[22:13] <Fuchs> uh, careful that you don't override sda, I assume you want to keep whatever is on that disk on that disk
[22:14] <barquentine> yes, I'm going to be moving data over from there. I'd like to leave it as is until my dad is fully settled with his new SSD and then I'll wipe that drive and turn it into a backup device
[22:14] <Fuchs> so you need to tell it to not use sda for anything, and on sdb personally I'd create a small /boot (can be ext2/3/4), a swap a tiny bit bigger than RAM and have the rest as /  (probably ext4)
[22:14] <Fuchs> the installer should offer something to auto-format for you, and if you tell it to only use sdb (but all of it) it should do something rather sane, usually
[22:14] <Fuchs> maybe best go one step back to ensure sda is not touched, then redo sdb
[22:16] <Fuchs> personally I'd give it  RAM + 1G for swap, 512M for /boot and the rest for /, unless you want separate /home partition, then it gets a bit more complicated. But YMMV, and probably what the installer suggests is fine as well  (just doublecheck that Swap > RAM if you plan to have suspend to disk, otherwise you have to use a swapfile, and persoanlly I think that's a bit meh)
[22:18] <barquentine> oh man it won't leave sda alone!
[22:18] <barquentine> I tried both
[22:18] <barquentine> manually setting everything and letting the installer decide
[22:18] <Ben64> i mean, you could physically remove sda
[22:18] <Fuchs> I'm pretty sure there is an option in the installer to tell it not to touch a specific disk, but it's a while since I saw the installer
[22:18] <Fuchs> so maybe someone has a more up to date idea on this :)
[22:19] <Fuchs> but yeah, worst case you can just either disconnect it, or, if easier because laptop, temporariy disable it in the BIOS
[22:19] <Fuchs> (or EFI or whatever you have)
[22:25] <ailion> Hi~~
[22:26] <ailion> Do we have a channel for topics on ubuntu derivatives or distros?
[22:27] <Ben64> this one
[22:27] <Ben64> well, official flavors only
[22:27] <ailion> I mean... building a new one...
[22:28] <ailion> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement#Germinate
[22:30] <ailion> I'm following this page and got the output from Germinate, so now I have a list of package name. But it's just names, not debs and udebs, so what's next?
[22:32] <ailion> apt-ftparchive and reprepro both requires downloaded deb and udeb files to work. Any help? Thanks.
[23:20] <Darkchaos> Anyone familiar with debugging package building failures? Building _the same_ package on Debian Buster vs. Ubuntu Bionic yields different results and I am suspecting something happening from pbuilder or specific faults in the rules file being the cause, but I don't know the tooling well enough
[23:22] <sarnold> what's the difference in output?
[23:23] <Darkchaos> Some sections in the ELF Header are missing, on Ubuntu the VERSYMs are lost, causing ld to assert when trying to use the built libraries
[23:23] <Darkchaos> I've already tried it with nostrip, that adds additional tables, but versym shouldn't be stripped anyway
[23:23] <Darkchaos> The only thing that is different is that Debian does the whole build in debuild, where on ubuntu I need to invoke pbuilder
[23:26] <Darkchaos> I guess there is no way of skipping pbuilder? Or at least opening a shell at every build stage to inspect the file right after compilation and before packaging?
[23:27] <brezanac> Which package does get-gpg-key actually belong to?
[23:27] <sarnold> it's up to you how you want to build of course; most people use sbuild, a few use pbuilder, and one or two folks just use dpkg-buildpackage directly on their machine without any build infrastructure (I do not recommend)
[23:29] <Darkchaos> Well, I'm currently spinning up a docker container to see if something changes depending on the environment, which is the only pointer I have right now
[23:59] <raver> sarnold: I use checkinstall if l must compile by my own