[00:15] <C0nundrum> Anyone tried a windows guest in kvm. I installed the network drivers but it doesn't seem to have a network connection
[00:16] <entelin> what's the easiest way of configuring mail to send via a gmail account?
[00:16] <entelin> for system mail
[00:32] <tomreyn> entelin: i may not be aware of the easiest way, but i assume you can use ssmtp.
[00:33] <tomreyn> you may need to enable smtp functionality and authentication in gmail settings beforehand
[00:34] <entelin> ok yeah I just finished setting up ssmtp, seems like its working
[01:11] <celphi> omg -- how can anyone say ufw is easier than iptables?!
[01:11] <celphi> i definitely dont like this about ubuntu
[01:12] <entelin> ?
[01:12] <celphi> im coming from centos
[01:12] <entelin> ufw is just a tool to configure iptables
[01:12] <entelin> you dont have to use it
[01:12] <celphi> with iptables it's super easy to add rules
[01:12] <entelin> yeah then do that :P
[01:12] <celphi> really?
[01:12] <celphi> oh i thought i had to use it
[01:12] <entelin> iptables is the kernal firewall
[01:12] <mrkotfw> So I'm getting a TON of errors with apt regarding python3
[01:13] <mrkotfw> I'm on Budgie 19.04
[01:13] <mrkotfw> I have NO IDEA why this is happening... Is there a way to fix this?
[01:13] <mrkotfw> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[01:13] <celphi> entelin: then how come i cant start the service?
[01:13] <celphi> try reinstalling python3?
[01:13] <entelin> iptables isnt a service, its a kernel feature
[01:14] <entelin> sudo iptables -L
[01:14] <celphi> on centos it is
[01:14] <celphi> so it's not same then?
[01:14] <entelin> there are iptables "services" that save and restore firewall rules
[01:14] <mrkotfw> celphi: I tried that
[01:14] <entelin> and that exists on ubuntu as well
[01:14] <celphi> `systemctl start iptables` works on centos7 not on ubuntu
[01:15] <entelin> iptables-save saves whatever your current iptables rules are into /etc/iptables.rules  which is what the system reads at boot
[01:16] <entelin> well i think you pipe the output into that file actually
[01:16] <celphi> entelin: so how do i reapply the rules?
[01:16] <celphi> bc i normally do `systemctl restart iptables`
[01:16] <Bashing-om> !19.04 | mrkotfw
[01:17] <celphi> so since it's not a service -- how does that work
[01:18] <entelin> you could use iptables-restore
[01:18] <celphi> lol wth
[01:18] <celphi> iptables -F destroyed my session
[01:18] <celphi> does ubuntu run it live or somethin?
[01:18] <entelin> i mean iptables is not a "service" anywhere, where it is a service it's just a script that runs these things anyway
[01:19] <entelin> iptables modifies iptables yeah thats the kernal tool
[01:19] <entelin> as always
[01:19] <Bashing-om> mrkotfw: Only consider - It "might" be easier and quicker to back up your data and do a fresh install of a supported release.
[01:20] <celphi> there's like a million rules on this iptables list
[01:20] <entelin> personally I have a script with all my iptables statements, which I then just run to purge and apply it. Then when i'm done messing with it I use iptables-save > /etc/iptables.rules
[01:20] <mrkotfw> Bashing-om: This has never happened, but I might have to
[01:20] <celphi> a ton of ufw stuff
[01:20] <mrkotfw> I don't understand how, if I haven't done any updates
[01:20] <entelin> yeah well then just purge the rules and do your own thing
[01:20] <celphi> how do i purge them?
[01:20] <entelin> uninstall ufw or whatever else, etc
[01:20] <celphi> i thought -F did that
[01:21] <Bashing-om> mrkotfw: Well, wont gurt to show us what happens ; ' sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 '.
[01:21] <entelin> sudo iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT
[01:21] <entelin> sudo iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT
[01:21] <entelin> sudo iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT
[01:21] <entelin> sudo iptables -F
[01:21] <entelin> sudo iptables -X
[01:21] <entelin> sudo iptables -t nat -F
[01:21] <Bashing-om> hurt*
[01:22] <celphi> TheRedQueen: He did that as a mistake
[01:22] <mrkotfw> Bashing-om: https://termbin.com/vam7
[01:22] <mrkotfw> Bashing-om: This is with "apt install -f"
[01:22] <celphi> Can someone take entelin off of mute-
[01:22] <krytarik> celphi: Sure, but it's a bot.
[01:22] <celphi> Are there any mods in room?
[01:23] <krytarik> It'll be off again in a minute.
[01:23] <Bashing-om> !info python3 disco
[01:25] <entelin> oops lol
[01:26] <entelin> anyway http://codepad.org/zpjo1T9D  thats what I do to wipe all iptables rules and set default allow
[01:26] <entelin> then I have a script that runs all my iptables commands, this way I can organize it and comment things
[01:27] <entelin> iptables itself is the system tool for live modification of the rules
[01:27] <celphi> so i add those rules then delete those rules after they clear the tables?
[01:27] <Bashing-om> mrkotfw: Try ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure python3 ' as soon as this system is stable - release upgrade time!
[01:28] <entelin> that script does that, it deletes all rules and sets default allow
[01:28] <mrkotfw> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: python3 is broken or not fully
[01:28] <mrkotfw> installed
[01:28] <entelin> so if you saved that, that's how your system would boot
[01:28] <mrkotfw> Bashing-om: I'm reinstalling the OS -- thanks for the help
[01:29] <mrkotfw> At that point, if dpkg-reconfigure is broken, I'm giving up
[01:29] <entelin> but if you don't know iptables well, you may be better off using a firewall config tool
[01:29] <entelin> all of that ultimately just makes rules and runs iptables in the end though
[01:30] <celphi> entelin: i usually have my rules like this
[01:30] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0XYzxH73/image.png
[01:30] <Bashing-om> mrkotfw: Yup - Python is close to the guts.
[01:32] <entelin> celphi, so it looks like you are setting default permit on everything, then permitting more stuff based on state
[01:32] <celphi> right i typically white label certain ips
[01:32] <entelin> you're probably going to want to start with default drop on everything and then open things
[01:33] <celphi> i use this at bottom
[01:33] <celphi> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/64RyYmr3/image.png
[01:34] <celphi> maybe i should just learn ufw
[01:35] <entelin> you might want to,  I'm not familiar with ufw, it's not going to be the only one available
[01:35] <celphi> which one do you recommnd?
[01:35] <entelin> I don't know any of them, I've always used iptables directly. But I know firewalling pretty well
[01:36] <celphi> im just trying to setup to allow port 80 and 22
[01:36] <celphi> and to use fail2ban with it
[01:36] <celphi> i know how to set that up on centos but not ubuntu
[01:36] <entelin> sec
[01:38] <entelin> here: http://codepad.org/iXa1Mmp1
[01:39] <entelin> that's the kind of thing I do.  You might want to put the clear commands at the top to wipe the tables before this runs
[01:40] <entelin> that blocks basically everything including some bad state combinations, then permits new connections outbound, and related traffic and ssh inbound
[01:42] <entelin> it may make plenty of sense to block all outgoing connections except the ports that you need. This is by no means the most secure you could make a firewall ruleset, but it's a good basic start
[01:42] <celphi> k
[01:42] <MarkB2> I'm trying to compile an application that uses the wide character set functions.  Unfortunately, ld is picking up the wrong library file and I don't know which library file contains __wcslen_sse2 .
[02:05] <celphi> im following this guide and it ends my session everytime i add the default rules: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-setup-a-firewall-with-ufw-on-an-ubuntu-and-debian-cloud-server
[02:43] <MarkB2> Oh no.  my system just slowed way down.  kern.log is filling with messages "ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }" and "ata5.01 status: {DRDY ERR}"
[02:43] <MarkB2> I've several drives attached.  How can I find which drive is associated with "ata5.00" ?
[02:46] <bindi> its at the start of syslog, try dmesg | grep ata5.00 | head -5
[02:47] <MarkB2> bindi: Thank you!  I'll go look.
[02:47] <bindi> increase number of head if that isn't helping, its just to get rid of the spam
[02:48] <MarkB2> The log must have rolled over.  the log file is just LOADED with those messages.
[02:49] <MarkB2> Good gawd.  syslog is more an 8M long.
[02:50] <MarkB2> the dmesg buffer must have cycled around.
[02:51] <MarkB2> It's ... this makes no sense.. it's reporting ATAPI: ATAPI iHDP118 .
[02:52] <bindi> a dvd drive?
[02:53] <MarkB2> There are two DVD drives in the system, both on a PATA interface.  but I can't figure out why ubuntu is probing them.
[02:53] <MarkB2> But it's doing it at 1 second intervals.
[02:53] <tomreyn> it probes all devices during boot.
[02:54] <MarkB2> That I understand.  I mean, it has to identify all attached devices.
[02:54] <tomreyn> "ata5.00: status: { DRDY ERR }" and "ata5.01 status: {DRDY ERR}" would make me think bad disk, at leats bad wire
[02:55] <tomreyn> MarkB2:  which ubuntu version is this?
[02:55] <MarkB2> 18.04 64-bit LTS.
[02:55] <MarkB2> Perhaps I should power down the toy and reseat the PATA cable?
[02:55] <tomreyn> so you have a systemd journal which should have all records
[02:56] <tomreyn> journalctl -b   to review anything logged since last boot
[02:56] <tomreyn> add -p3 to filter errors only.
[02:57] <tomreyn> is ata5.01 a dvd drive, though?
[02:58] <MarkB2> The journal is full of these error messages.  How can I identify what device ata5.00 and ata5.01 are associated with?
[02:59] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep -F ata5.00
[02:59] <tomreyn> journalctl -b | grep -F ata5.00 | head
[02:59] <tomreyn> the latter rather
[03:00] <tomreyn> and then the same for ata5.01
[03:00] <MarkB2> Does ubuntu call SATA and PATA "ATAPI" internally?
[03:01] <tomreyn> ATAPI can be on top of either, i think
[03:02] <MarkB2> Alright.. it looks like ubuntu is complaining about the PATA interface.  And often, too.  will return shortly.. getting inside the box is straightforward but the cables are at the bottom.  back in a bit.
[03:12] <MarkB2> Reseated the cable, all three connectors.
[03:13] <tomreyn> MarkB2: are the errors gone then?
[03:13] <MarkB2> That ..seems.. to have stopped the shouting... now am seeing a boatload of errors from all the other installed things that I've never seen before.
[03:14] <MarkB2> Gnome calculator just has to announce itself, verbosely, into syslog.
[03:14] <tomreyn> can you share the log? journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999 && journalctl -b -p3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:16] <MarkB2> Should I have expected the journal log to have restarted on a reboot?
[03:17] <MarkB2> Here's an error I didn't expect:
[03:17] <MarkB2> Feb 08 22:08:26 duo smartd[845]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
[03:17] <MarkB2> Feb 08 22:08:26 duo smartd[845]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 1 Offline uncorrectable sectors
[03:18] <tomreyn> MarkB2: systemd journal captures all logs available until a certain disp space limit is reached (4 GB if you have plenty of spare space)
[03:18] <tomreyn> *disK
[03:19] <tomreyn> so sda is showing physical decay, replace it.
[03:20] <tomreyn> or check its statistics first and consider how soon you should replace it,
[03:20] <MarkB2> That's ... not so easy.  That drive has a Win7 install.  When Microsoft discontinued Win7 support, they seem to have locked out new installs.
[03:21] <MarkB2> The first journalctl command resulted in a 223455 byte long file.  The second 12682 bytes.
[03:22] <tomreyn> should have resulted in urls rather ;)
[03:22] <MarkB2> do you want the journal files compressed?  Or just lots of ascii?
[03:23] <tomreyn> if you're ok with sharing it, just run the commands and post the urls
[03:24] <MarkB2> No problems sharing.  But those error are not in the j.1 and j.2 files (just created by journalctl -b >j.1 etc).
[03:25] <MarkB2> *errors
[03:25] <MarkB2> Wow.  kern.log is more than 9M long.
[03:25] <tomreyn> maybe others are, and those logs will provide a general picture on the system. you can also post     smartctl -x /dev/sda    if you like
[03:27] <tomreyn> kern.log? this would usuall ynot exist on 18.04 LTS unless you configured it manually (maybe it's an old configuration which is present from several release upgrades still)
[03:30] <MarkB2> kern.log ... it was in an old 16.04 .. and is still there on a complete reload of 18.04 .
[03:31] <tomreyn> actually i may be misremembering, i just purged rsyslog off systems because i don't need it.
[03:36] <MarkB2> Installed the smart utilities maybe an hour ago while trying to figure this out.  Hadn't known they existed until a frantic search on "ubuntu which device is ata5.00 and ata5.01 ?
[03:38] <MarkB2> Those searches sent me to /sys/class/ata_devices and there is "dev5.0" pointing at ata5.  But all the devices looks like they're ata devices so that did me no good.
[03:39] <tomreyn> ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/*-ata*
[03:40] <ryuo> MarkB2: when it comes to IO errors it could be anywhere along the line. maybe the drive itself even.
[03:40] <MarkB2> I remember that one.  And there isn't a "5" anywhere in that list.
[03:40] <ryuo> MarkB2: you still have IDE on this system?
[03:40] <MarkB2> And now smartd pops up an message: Feb  8 22:38:27 duo smartd[845]: Device: /dev/sdb [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 7 Seek_Error_Rate changed from 200 to 100
[03:41] <MarkB2> ryuo: The hard drives are SATA.  The two CDROM drives are PATA .
[03:41] <ryuo> ancient.
[03:41] <MarkB2> What, the PATA drives?
[03:41] <ryuo> yea.
[03:42] <ryuo> anyway.
[03:42] <MarkB2> There are two remaining SATA sockets on the motherboard.. and those are supposed to be for some kind of RAID operation.
[03:44] <ryuo> MarkB2: do you get any use out of the optical drives still?
[03:45] <MarkB2> ryuo: Most of the installed software base comes from CD or DVD.  And once in a while I'll stuff a DVD in there to view.
[03:46] <ryuo> so you only really need one.
[03:46] <MarkB2> ryuo: So, yes, I still use those drives.
[03:46] <ryuo> No?
[03:46] <MarkB2> True.  Could unplug one and leave it in there when the other dies.
[03:46] <ryuo> either way i don't usually install even a SATA optical drive these days.
[03:47] <MarkB2> But plugging in a SATA-based drive would be the tail-wagging-the-dog as it's out of SATA ports.
[03:47] <MarkB2> Yah.. thumb drives are The Thing nowadays.
[03:47] <ryuo> nah i meant more like i use USB optical drives.
[03:48] <ryuo> internal ones aren't as useful to me anymore since they're not portable.
  This tank of a computer isn't portable either.  :-)
[03:48] <ryuo> it sounds ancient.
[03:48] <ryuo> IDE was phased out entirely from motherboards a long time ago.
[03:49] <ryuo> is your system 64 bit capable at least?
[03:50] <ryuo> ubuntu is phasing out full support for 32 bit only platforms
[03:50] <ryuo> for now they are keeping 32 bit libs though.
[03:50] <MarkB2> The motherboard is based on a Core 2 Quad and, yes, it's 64-bit capable.  I was pleasantly surprised to find out it'll run Windows 7, Windows 10, and ubuntu 64-bit.
[03:50] <MarkB2> By the way...
[03:51] <ryuo> yea, that's really old. 2008-2010.
[03:51] <MarkB2> Anyone run into the problem of a terminal suddenly issuing beeps.
[03:51] <MarkB2> ?
[03:51] <ryuo> that's part of system sound theme.
[03:51] <ryuo> you can disable it somewhere.
[03:52] <MarkB2> When that beeping starts up, it's like the Energizer Bunny.  Keeps going and going and going...
[03:52] <ryuo> it should be one beep per alert bell or so
[03:52] <MarkB2> Even killing the terminal doesn't always stop it.
[03:52] <energizer> and going and going
[03:52] <ryuo> echo $'\a'
[03:52] <ryuo> etc
[03:54] <MarkB2> energizer: LOL .  Sorry.  Thought I'd tripped a freenode daemon somewhere with the E-B comment.
[03:54] <energizer> MarkB2: np :)
[03:55] <ryuo> MarkB2: it sounds like it's time for something new. that's 10 years old now. there's much faster AMD ryzen based systems at a fairly decent price, if you're still into custom builds.
[03:55] <energizer> more often happens in ##electronics and ##hardware
[03:55] <ryuo> but your choice.
[03:55] <ryuo> i'm still using Ivy Bridge for the time being.
[03:55] <ryuo> for a mobile laptop no less
[03:56] <ryuo> ~6 years old now
[03:56] <ryuo> but very affordable.
[03:56] <MarkB2> ryuo: I'm saving for a 64-bit laptop.  My old 32-bitter isn't welcome at ST-Micro workshops any more.
[03:56] <ryuo> MarkB2: i see. you usually buy used stuff?
[03:56] <ryuo> older stuff even.
[03:57] <ryuo> MarkB2: i've noticed laptops tend to lose their value very quickly as they age... though it seems related to brand too in part.
[03:57] <MarkB2> The 32-bitter was a cast-off... and at the time I was unemployed.  It's been a while since I've purchased a brand new box.
[03:58] <ryuo> MarkB2: if you're saving for new, i'd suggest looking for something dell or lenovo in their business products.
[03:58] <ryuo> most regular Dell laptops are Ubuntu certified.
[03:58] <ryuo> you'd need to check their manual to be certain.
[03:59] <ryuo> but i'm using a Latitude E5530 I restored from ebay parts.
[03:59] <ryuo> it works great.
[03:59] <ryuo> fully maxed out and at a bottom basement price due to its age.
[04:00] <ryuo> has an i7-3632QM, because I wanted a quad core. :)
[04:00] <MarkB2> My work laptop is a Latitude E7450.  It claims to be based on an i7 but wow, is it a dog.
[04:00] <ryuo> slow?
[04:00] <MarkB2> Disgustingly so.
[04:01] <Bashing-om> ryuo: In the push for new hardware:  Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Aims To Enhance The Certified OEM Experience From Its Installer
[04:01] <MarkB2> But they've tricked it out with VPN access to their servers so I can get something done with it.
[04:01] <Bashing-om> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-Certified-OEM-Exp
[04:02] <ryuo> I see.
[04:04] <ryuo> MarkB2: not surprising. mobile intel took a nose dive after ivy bridge because they switched to ultrabook processors which sacrificed performance over previous mobile processors.
[04:04] <ryuo> MarkB2: though supposedly 8th generation processors have finally caught back up
[04:05] <ryuo> that's a 5th gen ultrabook.
[04:05] <ryuo> it appears
[04:06] <ryuo> MarkB2: AMD Ryzen offers a good value for your buck at least. But read the reviews yourself online. If you do go looking for these, you'll probably want a dual channel memory model since that can greatly impact performance on these machines.
[04:06] <ryuo> MarkB2: AMD Ryzen laptops. Ideally the 3rd generation.
[04:07] <ryuo> 1st/2nd are good too but inferior. If going for new, may as well go for the latest if it's an option.
[04:07] <MarkB2> Linus Tech Tips recently reviewed a 64-core Ryzen processor.  My workloads, esp. at home, don't need anywhere near that amount of horsepower.
[04:07] <Disconsented> We're getting 8c in a laptop with 'ryzen 4000'
[04:07] <ryuo> that's for Desktop. I'm talking about Ryzen Mobile.
[04:09] <ryuo> we're seeing some laptop vendors switching to Ryzen to stand out from the crowd more. apparently Intel isn't competitive enough for them right now.
[04:09] <vion> I got this ZFS install that is halted and unavailable, won't boot. But it still says it is "rpool" and has an id. Can I recover something from it?
[04:12] <MarkB2> Are the Ryzen devices subject to the Spectre and Meltdown faults?
[04:12] <ryuo> MarkB2: the latest ones have had hardware level fixes applied
[04:13] <ryuo> i think 1st gen only has microcode.
[04:13] <ryuo> MarkB2: but here's the thing. Spectre was the main one that affected AMD and pretty much all similar CPU models.
[04:13] <ryuo> MarkB2: almost all the other ones are Intel only.
[04:13] <ryuo> MarkB2: Meltdown, etc.
[04:14] <ryuo> vion: did you try import the pool in a live CD or so?
[04:15] <vion> ryuo: yes even used the -f switch
[04:15] <ryuo> vion: is it listed in zpool list
[04:15] <vion> ryuo import shows it but its not in the list
[04:16] <vion> ryou do you mean zpool status?
[04:16] <ryuo> err yea
[04:16] <ryuo> sorry i don't use zpool too often.
[04:16] <ryuo> vion: try asking in #zfsonlinux channel
[04:16] <ryuo> they would know more since they wrote the port
[04:18] <vion> ryuo tyvm will do
[04:19] <MarkB2> Am trying to configure a package before doing a make.. and it wants "jogl2".  So I install libjogl2 (it's part of a Java package) and still the configure fails because it can't find javax.media.opengl.glu.GLUnurbs .
[04:19] <MarkB2> Maybe it's in one of the OpenGL packages.
[04:19] <vion> ryuo btw I like amd too, but why do the motherboards used always have such awful cooling setups
[04:20] <ryuo> vion: no idea. i haven't built a custom PC in years.
[04:20] <vion> I like intel motherboards and amd cpus
[04:22] <ryuo> MarkB2: or maybe it wants the JNI version.
[04:22] <ryuo> MarkB2: I saw 2 versions of it in the repos
[04:23] <vion> MarkB2: I wouldn't compile anything that had a dependency called GLUnurbs. Doesn't java have its own repository manager for handling dependencies?
[04:24] <MarkB2> GLUnurbs ...should be part of the OpenGL package.  But I've already got that installed.
[04:27] <vion> MarkB2: Vulkan?
[04:27] <ryuo> MarkB2: good luck with your search. i just suggest Dell Latitude and Lenovo Thinkpads. Business laptops that work pretty well with Linux, particularly Ubuntu.
[04:28] <ryuo> MarkB2: https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426
[04:28] <ryuo> MarkB2: useful links
[04:30] <vion> ryuo I got one of those latitude 7404s and says some came with ubuntu preinstalled yet my touchscreen is not working. Do I enable it in settings somewhere or press a key?
[04:31] <ryuo> vion: it's a 14" rugged?
[04:31] <vion> ryuo yes
[04:31] <ryuo> i'd suggest upgrading the BIOS if you haven't done so in ages.
[04:31] <ryuo> you should be able to do it from FreeDOS
[04:31] <ryuo> but to answer your question
[04:32] <ryuo> let's see what it has.
[04:32] <ryuo> vion: can you pastebin your lsusb output?
[04:32] <vion> I probably forgot about doing that. I heard you can just dump the windows executable into the boot directory and those modern bios would take care of it
[04:32] <ryuo> this isn't modern enough for that.
[04:32] <ryuo> you'll need to run the updater from Windows or FreeDOS but this should be the last update it'll ever need
[04:33] <ryuo> then the Dell laptop reboots and does the BIOS update from there
[04:33] <vion> I'm not on it right now but will hit it up tomorrow
[04:34] <ryuo> vion: truth is, there's a number of ways touchscreens can be connected.
[04:34] <ryuo> you have to have drivers for the BUS as well as the touchscreen, etc.
[04:34] <ryuo> i've seen RS232, PS/2, USB, and I2C.
[04:34] <vion> hold up I'm sure I did the bios update when it had win10 installed because apparently windows wouldn't do any updates until the bios was manually updated
[04:35] <ryuo> vion: was it a BIOS from 2019?
[04:35] <vion> yes 29 july 2019 the latest
[04:35] <ryuo> ok then you're good there
[04:36] <ryuo> Ah. eGalax.
[04:36] <ryuo> It just had to be eGalax.
[04:36]  * vion stares at fc5dc9d4
[04:37] <vion> eGalax?
[04:37] <ryuo> a brand of touchscreen. there's a windows 7 drive for it here so it must be the type of screen.
[04:39] <ryuo> vion: to tell you anything specific i would need to see output of commands and such.
[04:39] <oerheks> maybe you suffer this bug, with workaround https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1850130
  smartd is reporting disk drives have temperatures past 100C.
[04:41] <oerheks> 100F would be great
[04:42] <MarkB2> Agreed.  But 100C?  I can put a hand on the drives and they're not that hot.
[04:43] <vion> ryuo I will see if I can get hold of it sometime soon, my dude literally fell asleep on it.
[04:46] <vion> oerheks: you linking that to me? thanks
[04:46] <vion> MarkB2: are you short stroking those drives for a speed boost? Do they have some screwy chipset firmware?
[04:47] <vion> AHCI right?
[04:48] <MarkB2> vion: <groan>  Earlier I had a bad scare as log files were filling with drive error messages.  After some calming words from the cognoscenti here, the problem was traced to a loose cable.
[04:48] <MarkB2> In the process I'd installed a couple of utilities (smartd for one)... and now they're issuing little notes about things it doesn't like.
[04:48] <MarkB2> Drives at 100C being one of them.
[04:50] <MarkB2> Funny you should bring up AHCI.  Last week I had to switch the BIOS to AHCI to get an external drive enclosure running.  That worked.. but when I rebooted the system to the previous node, every OS wanted to chkdsk or fsck the daylights out of the drives.
[04:52] <vion> MarkB IDE mode is crap that only exists to give you poor performance. I got my SSD raid setup and I never looked back.
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> lets focus on actual ubuntu support issues instead of discussions please
[04:53] <lotuspsychje> we have a nice discuss channel you can use 24/7
[04:59] <robertparkerx> I have a znc that is joined two networks. When I connect I only see one network. How do I view the other?
[04:59] <lotuspsychje> robertparkerx: a question for ##networking ?
[04:59] <vion> robertparkerx dmz?
[05:00] <robertparkerx> a bouncer
[05:00] <robertparkerx> znc
[05:01] <vion> robertparkerx: does this have to do with IRC?
[05:01] <tomreyn> /join #znc
[05:03] <vion> tomreyn with ubuntu's use of systemd, apparmor and other inventions its probably quite different than the norm which is nice it leads the charge
[05:04] <tomreyn> vion: that's fine with me.
[05:08] <vion> tomreyn: passing the buck leads to partisan limbo for these things, also ufw another system specific consideration
[05:10] <vion> robertparkerx: did you install it as a snap or through apt? (again another system specific thing)
[05:11] <robertparkerx> I got it
[05:11] <robertparkerx> quote PASS <username>/<network>:<password>
[05:12] <vion> robertparkerx: its working? try a few tests
[05:14] <tomreyn> vion: i don't know exactly what you're talking about or why you're telling me. if you'd like to discuss ubuntu, #ubuntu-discuss is a good place for that.
[05:15] <vion> tomreyn: I'm in both channels, but you may message me if its something important
[05:17] <vion> lotuspsychej: did you have a question for me?
[06:09] <ax562> I'm running ubuntu 18.04 lts x64 with nvidia quadrom graphics card.  I've been experiencing random (at least seems like) sreen dimming while watching movies in vlc.    I have the most up to date driversI've tried caffeine but doesn't seem to work.  Any ideas of a fix?
[06:12] <ducasse> ax562: are you using drivers from the repos or the graphics-drivers ppa?
[06:14] <ax562> ducasse graphics driver ppa
[06:14] <ax562> ducasse:
[06:15] <ducasse> right, then i'm not sure, sorry
[06:15] <ax562> cool thanks
[06:15] <pragmaticenigma> ax562, the only thing I could think of is check if the computer firmware/bios has a setting for power saving the screen? Is this a laptop or desktop?
[06:16] <Goop> There any software that I can remote into an Android phone from a computer, without using a third-party server?
[06:17] <pragmaticenigma> Goop, for recommendations, it is better to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic. This chanel focuses on supporting software that is already installed and provided through the official Ubuntu software channels
[06:17] <ax562> pragmaticenigma: laptop
[06:18] <ducasse> Goop: you'd most likely need something like a vnc server, but try #android
[06:18] <ax562> I'm pretty sure I've disabled settings a while back but I can double check
[06:18] <pragmaticenigma> ax562, I would then check the firmware/bios ... dimming after an amount of time sounds more like a power management feature than a graphics driver issue
[06:21] <ax562> pragmaticenigma: thanks.  I will double check shortly.  I was reading up on modifying dconf from here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1063396/ubuntu-18-04-brightness-dims-when-screen-is-not-static .  Does that make any sense?
[06:23] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not sure... I haven't had much experience with laptops having non-Intel GPUs in them
[06:25] <ax562> ty
[06:36] <ax562> pragmaticenigma: the dconf has a lot of interesting power, dimming, etc options. used this sudo apt-get install dconf-editor
[06:37] <ax562> i'll see if it works
[06:37] <ax562> once i log out I will double check bios
[06:40] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like a good path... remember to take notes so you can put things back if they don't work or have the desired effect
[06:42] <dsofeir> Hello, if I install Ubuntu 19.10, will it be possible to a dist-upgrade to 20.04 LTS
[06:43] <littlekimmy> can I disable persistence in ubuntu
[06:43] <littlekimmy> For the main OS I want it to be gone.
[06:43] <littlekimmy> just like live USB
[06:44] <pragmaticenigma> littlekimmy, No there is no such feature... Why don't you look at something like Tails? https://tails.boum.org/
[06:44] <pragmaticenigma> dsofeir, Yes, 19.10 will be able to update to 20.04 when it is ready
[06:45] <pragmaticenigma> dsofeir, however, do note that starting with 19.10 will place you in the regular release schedule. If you are hoping to only get LTS releases after  upgrading to 20.04, you will need to make a change to your package manager settings to pick up only on LTS releases
[06:46] <ducasse> dsofeir: yes
[07:01] <jsync> Hello. I need to set apt to allow installs from a ppa I want to use.
[07:02] <jsync> How do I do that?
[07:05] <MarkB2> jsync: Take a look at apt-add-repository(1)
[07:10] <jsync> It says no_pubkey, & bionic has new security that tells me updates are disabled.
[07:10] <ducasse> jsync: the web page for the ppa should have instructions
[07:11] <jsync> Nope. Not for a system that wants to tell me my adding a ppa is pointless & against the rules suddenly.
[07:11] <jsync> I should be able to disable new ubuntu rules, buds.
[07:11] <ducasse> can you pastebin the exact error?
[07:13] <dsofeir> pragmaticenigma: Thank you
[07:13] <jsync> GPG error the public key is not available. In release is not signed, etc.
[07:14] <jsync> Updating from an unsigned repository is disabled by default. How do I enable it?
[07:15] <ducasse> you need to add the correct key
[07:17] <ducasse> which ppa is this?
[07:26] <jsync> Xenial.
[07:27] <jsync> These instructions suggest update-alternatives  --remove-all gcc
[07:28] <ducasse> no, which repo - where are the packages from?
[07:30] <jsync> Unrecognized option --slave?
[07:31] <jsync> It's trying to help me configure how to compile a software.
[07:45] <ducasse> if you post a link to the repo we can try to help, without it we won't get far
[07:51] <jsync> They gave spotty instructions, that was the problem, & they're outdated. Thanks anyway.
[08:38] <quarterback> How to estimate idle power consumption of a ubuntu machine?
[08:47] <ducasse> get a kill-a-watt
[08:47] <ducasse> other than that, see if powertop can help
[08:57] <quarterback> What is your idle hdd temperature in ubuntu?
[08:58] <quarterback> I am wondering what should be its range.
[08:58] <quarterback> on my machine hdd temperature is at 36C without load.
[08:59] <Ben64> anything under 50C should be fine
[09:01] <quarterback> Looks good then.
[09:04] <elias_a> And we are really talking about HDDs, not SSDs here?
[09:04] <quarterback> Yes, older HDDs from seagate
[09:05] <elias_a> quarterback: You are doing fine. My SSD in my laptop is as warm. :)
[09:07] <quarterback> elias_a, I loaded ubuntu 18.04 on a old core2duo e7440 with 4gb ram and 160 GB hdd. The machine is pretty stable. The only issue is that after several hours of idle, the screen locks up and the login prompt disappears. This happened a few times.
[09:08] <quarterback> I posted this question about a week ago and somebody answered that the machine is going into sleep mode and not waking up because the drivers for display are pretty old.
[09:09] <quarterback> in power management in BIOS, I changed screen off mode to DPMS. The problem seems to have gone now. I have to test it for a day or two to see what settings in bios really work.
[09:10] <quarterback> On this machine, XCFE4 works best, next is gnome flashback with compiz and next is gnome wayland.
[09:12] <blip99> Hi all.  Is there a way to disable the decrypted filesystem prompt on boot (I think its part of grub)?
[09:12] <blip99> I still want the FS encrypted, but have it save the password cos my laptop doesnt leave the house anyways
[09:15] <elias_a> quarterback: Nice testing!
[09:15] <blip99> LUKS/encrypted ext4
[09:22] <sazawal> Hi all. I am using Ubuntu 19.04 with Gnome 3.32.1 on Thinkpad. Today suddenly when I turned on my laptop the touchpad stopped working, the clicks are not working as well. The touchpad is also not shown in xinput --list. How do I identify the problem?
[09:29] <jeremy31> sazawal: 19.04 is not supported any more
[09:29] <ducasse> sazawal: you need to upgrade to 19.10
[09:30] <sazawal> Yes, I am only waiting for the next LTS, and do a fresh install
[09:31] <ducasse> that is still months off, in that time you will not get support or security patches
[09:53] <lovelytingy> hey anyone help
[09:54] <lovelytingy> $ python3bash: /usr/lib/command-not-found: /usr/bin/python3: bad interpreter: Too many levels of symbolic links
[09:55] <lovelytingy> what to do same with the python command
[09:55] <Ben64> lovelytingy: keep going down the links, 'ls -l /path'
[09:57] <lovelytingy> Ben64 ls: cannot access '/path': No such file or directory
[09:57] <Ben64> not literally /path, the path to the thing. in this case /usr/bin/python3 but then do it to where it links to
[09:58] <lovelytingy> Ben63 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Feb  9 15:06 /usr/bin/python -> /usr/bin/python3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 Jan 21 04:59 /usr/bin/python3 -> /etc/alternatives/python3
[10:00] <Ben64> keep going
[10:02] <lovelytingy> and do what
[10:05] <jrgilman> hey guys, had a bunch of problems connecting to in flight wifi earlier and I took as many notes as I could regarding it. I was wondering if anyone has been able to successfully connect to American airlines' inflight on ubuntu?
[10:38] <IniGit> hi
[10:38] <IniGit> if I have a /boot partition and a /root partition and /root is encrypted, is this then what's referred to as a full disk encrypption?
[10:39] <ducasse> yes
[10:40] <IniGit> and having a /boot partition and a /root partition and a /home partition and /root and /home is encrypted, is this then also what's referred to as a full disk encrypption?
[10:44] <sazawal> I am using Ubuntu 19.04 with Gnome 3.32.1 on Thinkpad E560. My touchpad has stopped working since today morning, the clicks are not working as well. The touchpad is also not shown in xinput --list. I have checked by booting with a Ubuntu bootable USB, and still the touchpad is not working. I suspect that the hardware has failed. Is there anything I can do to diagnose the problem?
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: volunteers said earlier already 19.04 is end of life
[10:58] <Amijai> how do I configure gnome-session to start on 2 X displays? When I enter the Display setup in gnome-control-center, only 2 of the 4 monitors show up
[10:59] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, Yes. I mean the touchpad won't work anyway if it is a hardware problem.
[11:00] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: hardware problems we cannot solve in the ubuntu support channel
[11:00] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, Right.
[11:01] <lotuspsychje> sazawal: in you case, you could try a supported ubuntu version from the topic, see if you get it working to rule out hardware issues
[11:02] <lotuspsychje> Amijai: what kind of graphics card and ubuntu version please?
[11:02] <Guest_81> i can't install the nvidia drivers via ubuntu-drivers autoinstall. Any fix? https://del.dog/agnyppurro
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: do you have external ppa's added to your system?
[11:04] <Guest_81> I may have. How i can check?
[11:05] <sazawal> lotuspsychje, Yes, I am downloading Ubuntu 19.10, and run some diagnostics on the bootable USB. I will come back here, once I am done.
[11:05] <ducasse> !info libnvidia-compute-435 bionic
[11:05] <Amijai> lotuspsychje, I have 2 nVidia GT710. 2 monitors connected to each. the open Xorg driver works fine, but as soon as I install the proprietary nVidia driver only 2 work
[11:06] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: in your sources.list or sources.list.d
[11:06] <_raven__> possible to use two graphics cards in one system - amd vega64 for screens and a nvidia620gt for cuda operation?
[11:07] <Amijai> _raven__, sure, just install the AMD driver and install only CUDA for the NV card
[11:08] <Guest_81> lotuspsychje for all I can tell I don't have any ppa's https://del.dog/pezexuvoma
[11:08]  * Amijai Gone for a Reboot
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: how about your sources.list.d ?
[11:09] <Guest_81> there are two files both empty
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: is your system up to date?
[11:10] <Guest_81> All packages are up to date.
[11:10] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: wich drivers show when you: ubuntu-drivers list, please?
[11:11] <Guest_81> lotuspsychje nvidia-driver-435nvidia-driver-390nvidia-driver-430
[11:11] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: try sudo apt install nvidia-driver-430 as a test
[11:12] <Guest_81> btw I have a gtx 1070 if that matters
[11:12] <Guest_81> lotuspsychje same as before https://del.dog/navinemoph
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: sudo apt autoremove -f
[11:14] <Guest_81> it didn't remove anything
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: sudo apt purge nvidia*
[11:15] <Guest_81> same error when installing driver
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: sudo apt -f install
[11:17] <Guest_81> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: are you sure you did not add a graphics ppa?
[11:23] <Guest_81> I remember I followed a guide and maybe it added a graphics ppa
[11:23] <Guest_81> the problem is that I don't know
[11:23] <Guest_81> can't I just delete all ppa's
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> !sources | Guest_81 doublecheck please
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> Guest_81: what gives: lsb_release -a
[11:26] <Guest_81> nowww it worksss
[11:26] <Guest_81> in software and update, other software I enabled canonical partners
[11:30] <Guest_81> thank you lotuspsychje
[11:58] <lovelytingy> hlo guys got a problem in myubuntu
[11:58] <lovelytingy> about pyhton
[11:58] <lovelytingy> python
[12:01] <lovelytingy> any help me plz
[12:02] <lovelytingy> update-alternatives: error: cannot stat file '/usr/bin/python3.7': Too many levels of symbolic links
[12:07] <lovelytingy> guys plz
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> !patience | lovelytingy
[12:07] <tfam> What are you trying to do lovelythingy?
[12:08] <lovelytingy> i just messed up while trying to install pyPDF2 using pip
[12:14] <tfam> maybe reinstalling pip and python will help after uninstalling pyPDF2
[12:34] <LostDogbang> Hy
[12:36] <c|oneman> hmm, my shitty dell 1390 wireless card worked on 32-bit ubuntu but not 64-bit... can't Fn+F2 to flip the switch
[12:36] <ikonia> tone down the language a bit please c|oneman
[12:37] <c|oneman> hmm I fixed it
[12:38] <c|oneman> b43 driver via firmware-b43-installer
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:16] <jpmh> on ubuntu 16.4 when I do: inotifywait -e modify temp.fil &, and then touch -m temp.fil - the event does not get triggered - on 18.4 it works as expected - what am I missing?
[13:26] <ioria> jpmh, i don't have atm a xenial box available; do you get any warning ?
[13:27] <jpmh> ior
[13:27] <jpmh> ioria: No - what is weird is that if I have it wait on the attrib event then it works as expected - bit then of course it fails on 18.4
[13:28] <jpmh> ioria: it is almost as though the MEANING of attrib and modify has changed between the two - which seems hard to believe
[13:29] <ioria> jpmh, with inotify usually the problem is the watches limit, but it would tell you
[13:30] <jpmh> ioria: on both systems the output is: Setting up watches. Watches established. - the two there are on separate lines
[13:30] <ioria> that's ok
[13:30] <jpmh> ioria: and if that was the problem then it would not work with attrib
[13:30] <ioria> ofc
[13:30] <jpmh> ioria: what is ofc?
[13:30] <ioria> of course
[13:32] <jpmh> in fact, I just did: (inotifywait -e modify -e attrib temp.fil &) ; sleep 5; touch -m temp.fil
[13:32] <jpmh> on 16.4 I get the message on ATTRIB and 18.4 MODIFY
[13:36] <jpmh> and as I think about it - the other thing that is strange wth my test is that I get ONLY ONE event - surely I should get MODIFY and ATTRIB
[13:39] <ioria> jpmh, inotifywait -m -r -e  modify,attrib,close_write,move,create,delete temp.fil
[13:40] <jpmh> ioria: LOL - I don;t like solutions that I don't understand
[13:40] <ioria> it's clear enough
[13:41] <geirha> without -m, inotifywait only outputs the first event and exits
[13:41] <ioria> m = Instead  of  exiting  after  receiving a single event, execute indefinitely
[13:41] <jpmh> ioria: I agree that the -m is clear - what is not clear to me is why I do NOT get the attrib event on 18 and not the modify on 16
[13:41] <ioria> not usufull now, but -r, --recursive
[13:42] <jpmh> geirha: my comment should have been to you too, sorry
[13:42] <ioria> jpmh, then , take a look at the changelogs between thew two versions
[13:42] <jpmh> ioria: why the -r - I am doing a file not a directory so what is recursive?
[13:42] <ioria> i told you not usefull now
[13:43] <jpmh> ioria: I see NOTHING in the changelogs mentioning this -
[13:44] <ioria> jpmh, use strace, check the sources....
[13:45] <jpmh> ioria: please explain more - I don't know what you mean
[13:45] <ioria> jpmh,  man strace
[13:46] <ioria> jpmh, maybe use -s, --syslog
[13:47] <jpmh> ioria: strace will be a nightmare to analize - but I guess so
[13:47] <Amijai> I am trying to configure a secondary nVidia GT710 in Ubuntu 18.04. After installing the nVidia driver (ver. 440) the secondary GPU is diabled. When I enable the monitors by creating a new X Display, I get a black screen with an X for mouse pointer. I cannot figure out how to tell my Gnome session to run on the new display (1.1)
[13:51] <subcool> Hey, idk where to ask..
[13:52] <subcool> I have a MKV video, which is defaulted to play the russion audio. I want to edit it - simply to make the Engish audio default. after research, i was brought to MKVToolNix- - Isnt there something simplier?
[13:53] <ducasse> ffmpeg will let you copy the video with the audio you want
[13:55] <subcool> unless someone knows a VR Cinema program that allows you to select which audio file to use.
[13:55] <subcool> ducasse:  thanks, buts almost the same.
[14:00] <PeGaSuS> any idea why Chrome in my Xubuntu is throwing a NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID and not in my Android device?
[14:01] <subcool> my VPN does that to me.
[14:01] <subcool> Or if i have login to a HotSpot
[14:01] <PeGaSuS> Firefox doesn't throw the error for the same domain:port
[14:03] <PeGaSuS> the domain is https://galaxyshells.ga:10000/ > could someone try it and see if they have the same error?
[14:20] <Amijai> can anyone help me with the secondary nvidia ?
[14:22] <kk4ewt> Amijai; secondary nvidia use the same driver as the primary
[14:23] <kk4ewt> ?
[14:24] <Amijai> kk4ewt: yes
[14:25] <Amijai> if I remove the nvidia driver - all displays work.
[14:26] <Amijai> after installing the nvidia driver, the monitors connected to the secondary display are disabled. When i want to enable them, it creates a second X Display (1.1) but the gnome-session doesn;t start on it
[14:27] <Amijai> whan I enter Gnome Control Center, it shows only the original 2 monitors (displays)
[14:44] <kaoron> Hi there! I used to use sweethome3d on bionic and it kinda worked, with manageable glitches. Recently I upgraded to eoan and SH3D's interface became unusable (it shows, but it doesn't respond appropriately to mouse input). I've looked at the wiki's page and tried the official repo's version, the snap version, the linux installer version, even an older version. Won't work properly. Any ideas how I can fix that ?
[15:06] <bozsikarmand> hello
[15:06] <littlepython> can i use export statement inside the ~/.bashrc file?
[15:08] <leftyfb> littlepython: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/107851/using-export-in-bashrc   # first result on google searching for .bashrc export
[16:04] <Katronix> Hi all, looking to start up a new Ubuntu server that comes with 2 1TB drives. If I use mdadm would be that be a good option to do software raid? My goal is to have as much as possible the 2 drives in one space. I'm assuming it would be about 1.5GB?
[16:08] <ducasse> Katronix: with two drives you can do raid0 (striping) or raid1 (mirroring). you don't want a stripe
[16:09] <Katronix> @ducasse in that case I likely just want to take advantage of both drives?
[16:09] <leftyfb> Katronix: you want RAID1 which will mirror both drives. You'll have 1TB total space but you'll have redundancy
[16:09] <ducasse> Katronix: with a mirror, one drive can fail without you losing data. with a stripe, if one drive fails it's all gone
[16:10] <leftyfb> Katronix: with RAID0, you don't care about the data on the server
[16:10] <Katronix> OK so with Raid0, it basically links both drives into one big one?
[16:10] <ducasse> yes
[16:11] <leftyfb> Katronix: But again, if you have a problem with 1 drive, all the data is lost for good
[16:11] <Katronix> this will be mainly hosting mp3s which I can always get again
[16:12] <Katronix> is mdadm the best way to do it via software?
[16:12] <ducasse> still, i'd set up a mirror
[16:12] <ducasse> mdadm works well
[16:12] <ducasse> alternatively, you can use zfs
[16:15] <GanzAndere> Hello. I am on 18.04 running exim4 server, and I noticed all of a sudden it has massive problems
[16:15] <GanzAndere> 2020-02-09 16:12:28 1j0pC7-0003Ur-QN Failed to create spool file /var/spool/exim4//input//1j0pC7-0003Ur-QN-D: Permission denied
[16:15] <Katronix> the company who I'm getting the server from doesn't give me option of what FS the server uses as its being setup. Can EXT4 be converted to ZFS?
[16:16] <GanzAndere> exim can no longer write log files either. What happened to the ubuntu exim4?
[16:16] <GanzAndere> Why is there problems now all of a sudden?
[16:16] <Katronix> GanzAndere, are you out of disk space?
[16:17] <GanzAndere> Nope
[16:17] <GanzAndere> It's a permission issue, not a disk space issue.
[16:18] <tomreyn> findmnt --target /var/spool/exim4/
[16:19] <GanzAndere> It exists. When it doesn't exist, it doesn't give you a permission error.
[16:19] <tomreyn> i'm wondering which file system is on it, and what the mount options are
[16:19] <GanzAndere> What could possibly have happened?
[16:19] <GanzAndere> I'm scratching head
[16:20] <GanzAndere>       /dev/vda1 ext4   rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered
[16:20] <GanzAndere> Ohhhhhhh
[16:20] <GanzAndere> I remember now, And I think what I tried to do didn't fix it.
[16:21] <GanzAndere> So, last month, I accidentally setup permissions chown for a web user to /var instead of /var/www
[16:21] <tomreyn> you remember what, tried to do what, it failed how?
[16:21] <GanzAndere> I tried to correct that mistake by setting everythign in /var to be owned by root
[16:21] <GanzAndere> That apparently is not working, as somethings expect Debian-exim user
[16:21] <GanzAndere> This I need help fixing
[16:21] <GanzAndere> Which directories in /var would belong to Debian-exim, and then set that owner and perms
[16:22] <Katronix> @ducasse if Ubuntu is installed on /dev/sda can I make a pool that is on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb ?
[16:22] <GanzAndere> Other than reinstalling the exim package over, which might mess up my already existing configs.
[16:23] <ducasse> Katronix: with mdadm, yes, but you need to use the server installer
[16:23] <tomreyn> GanzAndere: so you had recursively chown'ed root:root /var ?
[16:23] <GanzAndere> AND exim paniclog said spamd wasn't there. I always had spamassassin installed. For some reason, even spamassassi was removed, I had to install and run the srevice again, config was there though
[16:23] <Katronix> @ducasse so I couldn't do a zfs pool that way?
[16:23] <GanzAndere> tomreyn, I had done chown -R root:root /var
[16:24] <GanzAndere> tomreyn, somthing like that
[16:24] <tomreyn> GanzAndere: can you find out what you did exactly, using bash history?
[16:24] <ducasse> Katronix: not easily
[16:25] <GanzAndere> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Bp6Mhxd4V9/
[16:25] <tomreyn> GanzAndere: which ubuntu version is this?
[16:25] <GanzAndere> tomreyn, I lost that history, but I have the thigns I tried. I set everything in /var to root and then whatever needed to be fixed, like /var/www etc. is the stuff I did
[16:25] <GanzAndere> 19.04
[16:25] <GanzAndere> `8
[16:25] <GanzAndere> oh ffs. 18.04
[16:26] <ducasse> Katronix: there is a guide on github for installing ubuntu with the root fs on zfs, but it involves a bit of hacking. you could modify that to set up a zfs mirror
[16:26] <GanzAndere> Almost everything else is back to normal in /var, but not exim.
[16:26] <GanzAndere> I just need to know which directories exim4 needs
[16:26] <GanzAndere> perhaps dpkg -L might tell me the list of directories
[16:27] <vlm> is there a way to launch a program on a desktop session from an ssh session?
[16:27] <GanzAndere> Nope. That doesn't contain any /var paths
[16:27] <GanzAndere> so far it want /var/spool/exim4/pool etc.
[16:29] <tomreyn> GanzAndere: yes, dpkg -L against all exim packages may help find out which paths need to exist, it won't tell whch owner and permissions will need to be applied, though. it appears from the output you posted that we cannot identify the command you had run that initially broke ownerships on /var. it will then be difficult to fix it entirely. you can focus just on exim now but this will most likely not suffice, it'd be better to reinstall.
[16:29] <vlm> figured it out
[16:29] <de-facto> Is there a WebDAV client other than Nautilus? I need to debug a connection...
[16:30] <de-facto> ideally i would need a log from the client to find out what went wrong
[16:34] <GanzAndere> tomreyn, can you possibly help me find a default permission list for /var in ubutnu? perhaps if you have the 18 lts you can ls -al /var for me?
[16:35] <tomreyn> de-facto: you can use "gio" to reproduce the situation on a temrinal in a way that is similar to how nautilus accesses. but it's not really great for debugging. there's curl which is great for debugging but you'd need to craft custom http requests, which would be complicated. and there are a couple other webdav CLI clients, some of which i'd try (not sure which though). cadaver, hdav amongst other (apt search webdav)
[16:37] <de-facto> tomreyn, the problem i am facing is that i use xslt transformations and they unwantedly also apply to webdav answers, so i need to see the actual output for answers from the server to debug
[16:40] <tomreyn> de-facto: curl would work then, but be annoying to use, i guess. or any webdav client which can dump the full requests, or which can use a proxy server which can.
[16:41] <GanzAndere> I got it
[16:41] <GanzAndere> I had to install a container of another 18 ubutnu and installed exim4 and dovecot and my configs from git etc. and launched it, diffed the file structure
[16:41] <de-facto> yeah curl would be nice, yet i dont know the command sequence nautilus sends to the server
[16:41] <GanzAndere> Done.
[16:41] <GanzAndere> Wasn't too bad.
[16:42] <GanzAndere> Mail server/webmail etc. all back up now, thanks for the time tomreyn
[16:42] <GanzAndere> turns out, /var/spool is owned by root, but /var/spool/exim4 should be -R Debian-exim
[16:43] <GanzAndere> And then dovdcot in /var/vmail (as I use virtual textfile users, no db or anything, unix crypted)
[16:43] <GanzAndere> Ok, Life is ok again.
[16:44] <tomreyn> GanzAndere: if you only fixed ownerships in /var directly (not its other subdirectories) then you haven't fixed things fully you'll continue to see problems.
[16:44] <de-facto> tomreyn, i think i see the problem:  curl -i -X PROPFIND ... should get text/xml answer yet my xslt applied to it transforms it and answers witn application/xml+xhtml
[16:44] <GanzAndere> tomreyn, I expect some, but I'll address them as they come. I don't have a way to reinstall the OS without remaking the VPS, and I Can't afford to get a new ip for my mail server for obvious reputation reasons
[16:44] <GanzAndere> It's taken time to build a good rep on that ip
[16:45] <GanzAndere> If you make a new vps, you get new ip. I'll ask the supprot guys about how to reinstall os without redoing the entire vps node
[16:46] <GanzAndere> So far it was only /var/vmail and /var/spool (exim related stuff). Not much else on there. Everything I meticulously fixed by hand
[16:46] <GanzAndere> So far it is fine.
[16:46] <tomreyn> well, good luck.
[16:47] <GanzAndere> Thank you very much :)
[16:47] <GanzAndere> I may need it.
[16:49] <tomreyn> GanzAndere: output of    find /var -type d -ls      on a 18.04 desktop VM: https://termbin.com/3fhe
[17:45] <GanzAndere> tomreyn, thank you so much!
[17:46] <GanzAndere> I'm missing syslog stuff and yeah, that's helpful
[17:46] <GanzAndere> Currently I have a different problem for which I need ubuntu off topic
[18:30] <Intelo> Hi
[18:30] <Intelo> Why use  a chromebook if I can just install ubuntu-server, then install xorg, then install a browser in it. Wont that be better ?
[18:44] <chmykh> Intelo, why do you want server apps?
[19:03] <MarkB2> What is this process "tracker-miner-f" and why is it segfaulting like crazy in Ubuntu 18.04 64-bit?
[19:09] <crimson_king> MarkB2, It seems to be part of GNOME tracker, which indexes files and things like that, if I remember right.
[19:10] <MarkB2> It keeps wanting to send a file somewhere but complains that it can't send/recv .
[19:12] <crimson_king> MarkB2, I'd recommend you open an issue about it here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/tracker - in case you don't get help from anyone here.
[19:12] <MarkB2> crimson_king: Thank you... I'll take a look.
[19:13] <crimson_king> Or maybe it would be best to file the issue against Ubuntu first, actually
[19:13] <crimson_king> We don't know if it's an upstream problem, so...
[19:14] <crimson_king> MarkB2,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker
[19:15] <ioria> what i don't get , is  that it should not be installed by default on 18.04.3 MarkB2
[19:16] <MarkB2> I'm running 18.04 "straight".  Installed it when first released.
[19:16] <ioria> same
[19:18] <MarkB2> Huh.  Does that mean Canonical is sneaking "interesting" bits of software into their updates?
[19:22] <ioria> MarkB2, but it's default on 19.10
[19:23] <MarkB2> 245 "problems" ?
[19:29] <acebrianjuan> Hi all, how can I test if a program releases its resources when it is forced to stop from the termial with 'Ctrl+C' ?
[19:29] <acebrianjuan> Thank you
[19:31] <Polesch> I'm trying to set up a Windows 10 virtual machine in QEMU/KVM with PCIe/GPU passthrough. Using a Radeon VII on my host and Vega 64 on the VM.
[19:32] <Polesch> The Vega 64 is properly isolated: "Kernel driver in use: vfio-pci"
[19:32] <Polesch> But whenever I try to run a VM, I just get a black screen and no video.
[19:32] <Polesch> Anyone have ideas?
[19:37] <Polesch> I have not isolated the audio, would this be necessary?
[19:41] <cjohnson> Is there anything special to know about copying a root filesystem partition from an old SATA hard drive to an nvme SSD?
[19:42] <cjohnson> Should I write a new mbr to the nvme with fdisk, make a single partition for the whole disk, and dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/nvme0n1
[19:44] <cjohnson> Or would rsync make more sense
[19:50] <cjohnson> Oh I'm also going from a really old BIOS to a UEFI
[19:50] <kyle__> As long as you know not to copy /dev /sys /proc, copying is just fine.   But if you're switching from BIOS to UEFI you'll probably be better off re-installing grub.
[19:51] <kyle__> you might be able to get away with copying it all over and then using boot-repair (bootable image that just repairs grub & friends)
[19:53] <cjohnson> That's the plan. I'm ok to reinstall grub on my own. Is the process pretty much the same otherwise?
[19:53] <cjohnson> New GPT instead of MBR table, add 2 partitions, one EFI and one linux root
[19:53] <cjohnson> And is the EFI partition where you install grub to now?
[19:57] <ducasse> yes
[19:58] <cjohnson> cool thanks
[20:01] <ducasse> make sure you boot in uefi mode to install grub
[20:31] <akemStream> Hey, i have an AMD A4 on this machine and cpufreq-set doesn't seem to change the CPU, i cannot set the frequency manually, performance mode looks just like regular mode...Any idea about this?
[20:34] <Ben64> akemStream: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[20:35] <akemStream> Ben64, There is "1500000 1300000 1100000"
[20:35] <Ben64> cool, so it does know it can go to those three
[20:36] <akemStream> Ben64, I have a frequency monitor in conky and right now it's at 1300Mhz but it can go up to 2000Mhz sometimes.
[20:36] <akemStream> Ben64, Theses frequencies are fixed?
[20:36] <Ben64> dunno what you mean by fixed
[20:37] <akemStream> Ben64, That file can be modified? like cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies with performance or ondemand...
[20:37] <Ben64> available frequencies are not the governor. governor is like performance, ondemand, etc
[20:38] <Ben64> try this... cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[20:38] <Ben64> it will show you current speed
[20:39] <Ben64> this will show current governor ---  cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[20:40] <akemStream> Ben64, Yes i see it, i know i meant that last file governor.
[20:41] <akemStream> Ben64, If i do "sudo cpufreq-set -f 1500Mh" It doesn't change anything, and if i "echo performance" to the governor file or use "sudo cpufreq-set -r -g performance" it doesn't change either :/
[20:41] <akemStream> +z
[20:42] <akemStream> Ben64, Maybe my CPU is not supported?
[20:42] <Ben64> how do you echo performance to the governor file
[20:43] <akemStream> Ben64, I found a 2 line script i modified online wait.
[20:43] <Ben64> :|
[20:44] <akemStream> https://pastebin.com/1VMiwEy0
[20:44] <akemStream> I don't know if this is supposed to work, i was just testing cause cpufreq-set didn't do anything :/
[20:46] <longshot> How can I create an lxc container with a static IP?
[20:46] <Ben64> akemStream: try this... echo performance | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor
[20:46] <Ben64> then check to see if the cpu0 cur_freq is at maximum
[20:46] <longshot> I got it to directly attach to the physical interface, which I wanted, and it got a dhcp address.
[20:47] <longshot> Googling around some I found that I should add eth0 as a device then set ipv4.address and ipv4.gateway
[20:47] <longshot> But after doing that and rebooting, now there's no v4 networking.
[20:47] <longshot> It does, however have a v6 address from slaac.
[20:48] <akemStream> Ben64, The cur_freq didn't changed 1297147.
[20:48] <Ben64> akemStream: weird
[20:48] <longshot> this is on ubuntu 18.04, creating a 16.04 container.
[20:49] <akemStream> Ben64, Yeah it's strange.
[20:49] <Ben64> akemStream: try running a bunch of copies of "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null" and checking, that should max out one core each time you run it, run enough to fill all your cores and see if the freq goes up
[20:52] <akemStream> Ben64, The CPU jumped to 1700 Mz and fell back to 1300 and both cores at 100%
[20:52] <akemStream> Now 1000 Mhz, still 100% on both core.
[20:53] <akemStream> I run 3 sessions of the dd command you gave me.
[20:53] <Ben64> strange
[20:55] <akemStream> Ok, nevermind, it works anyway, but i wanted a perf mode around 1800 or 2000Mhz rather than about 1300Mhz usually. I'll keep it the way it is.
[20:55] <akemStream> Thanks for the help anyway Ben64.
[21:28] <Betal> if cpu still in IO, don't it count as 100% too? because it can't do nothing
[21:36] <cjohnson> IS there any chance of straight-forward recovery?
[21:38] <cjohnson> I did rsync /dev/sdaold /dev/sdnew (which I suspect updated /dev/sdnew to point to /dev/sdold), realized I needed to use mounted paths and also that /dev/sdnew didn't have a filesystem yet. I mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdnew which prompted me to overwrite an existing one
[21:38] <cjohnson> I wasn't thinking right and said "nah I don't care about whatever FS is on /dev/sdnew" and overwrote. Mounted /dev/sdold and saw that I only had lost+found in it. I mounted both /dev/sdold and /dev/sdnew and touched a file to confirm it showed up in the other
[21:39] <cjohnson> confirming my suspicion that that my mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdnew command actually ran against /dev/sdold due to my earlier rsync mistake
[22:04] <jsync> Hello. What do I add to ubuntu sources.list to get contrib & non-free packages?
[22:04] <jsync> I am building an Ubuntu machine for a program build environment.
[22:05] <leftyfb> jsync: you don't, those are Debian repositories
[22:05] <leftyfb> jsync: Install the packages you need. If you can't find certain packages you need, then ask for help with them here.
[22:06] <jsync> I need to make a mirror for source files, because this actually is a big & involved project & I'll use this release of Ubuntu for a while.
[22:06] <leftyfb> jsync: ok? What do you need help with?
[22:07] <jsync> I need Xenial specifically. Project requires particular, custom built libraries, etc.
[22:08] <jsync> I need to use apt-mirror to mirror the Xenial source files.
[22:08] <leftyfb> jsync: again, what do you need help with exactly? Please ask a question.
[22:09] <jsync> With apt-mirror install in Ubuntu, do I just run "sudo apt-mirror", or do I need to configure it first?
[22:10] <leftyfb> jsync: which documentation/tutorial are you following to setup an apt mirror?
[22:11] <leftyfb> jsync: https://computingforgeeks.com/creating-ubuntu-mirrors-using-apt-mirror/   # found on google by searching "ubuntu apt-mirror"
[22:11] <jsync> Uhh, it's a page I downloaded. In Debian I just needed to include repo sites in /etc/apt/mirror.list
[22:13] <leftyfb> jsync: if you want to follow instructions on how to setup an apt-mirror with Debian, then you need to run Debian. If you want to run Ubuntu, then you need to follow instructions for Ubuntu.
[22:19] <mustmodify31> I have a new Inspiron and have installed Ubuntu on it.
[22:19] <mustmodify31> It seems like power management isn't working... it's always dead when I go back to it.
[22:20] <mustmodify31> I searched for "power management" and it suggested I install an app.
[22:20] <mustmodify31> but it gave me many options.
[22:24] <jsync> leftyfb, thanks.
[23:03] <Aristide> Hello ! I'm trying to make a do-release-upgrade but I don't have enought space available on disk. Do you have a solution for download .deb in other cache directory ? (other disk) instead root partition and ignore disk left ?
[23:03] <Aristide> disk space left*
[23:04] <longshot> Aristide: Do you have another filesystem with adequate space?
[23:05] <Aristide> Yes
[23:05] <longshot> Aristide: Move the cache directory to the other filesystem and then symlink the original location.
[23:05] <Aristide> Oh :D Good idea
[23:05] <Aristide> longshot before, I'm trying to clean some temporary directory
[23:06] <Aristide> If is not enought : Go :D
[23:06] <Aristide> Thank's
[23:13] <Aristide> Hm. longshot, I have always same message
[23:14] <Aristide> I have symlink a 2TB disk in /var/cache
[23:15] <leftyfb> Aristide: I moving the cache directory isn't going to be enough
[23:16] <Aristide> leftyfb: Hm. Do you have a idea ?
[23:16] <leftyfb> Aristide: df -h |egrep -v "loop|tmp"   # can you pastebin the current state of your storage?
[23:18] <Aristide> leftyfb: Hm. I have maybea a idea. Its a uSD, and I think partition is not full sized
[23:18] <Aristide> I check that before
[23:18] <Aristide> (Its a banana pi ^^)
[23:19] <leftyfb> Aristide: in that case, I would get a bigger SD card and image the old one to the new one and resize the new one
[23:19] <Aristide> leftyfb: I have created a disk image. uSD size is 16GB. And image is 3.3GB
[23:20] <Aristide> I have found my response thank's :D
[23:20] <leftyfb> Aristide: better yet, just install from scratch onto the bigger SD card and restore from backup
[23:20] <leftyfb> Aristide: do-release-upgrade isn't really meant for SBC's. It might not go as planned
[23:20] <Aristide> https://i.imgur.com/3MWxysc.png huhu
[23:20] <Aristide> leftyfb: SBC ?
[23:21] <leftyfb> "Single Board Computer". Basically embedded computers booting from an imaged SD card
[23:21] <Aristide> leftyfb: Hm. I have a « backup image » in case