[07:29] <xubuntu99w> anyone using xubuntu know how to get it to recognize my smartphone
[09:32] <bo2020> hey
[09:34] <bo2020> Is it a significant security risk to have an Ubuntu subsystem on Windows 10?
[09:45] <gnrp> bo2020: Yes, your ubuntu subsystem will be pretty insecure with a windows below it ;)
[09:45] <bo2020> Yeah.
[09:45] <bo2020> I meant for the Windows OS lol.
[09:46] <gnrp> but anyway, see it like this: Of course you multiply the security risks by two. As with every piece of software you install
[09:46] <gnrp> however, the "desktop" stuff from ubuntu is very unlikely to be abused
[09:46] <gnrp> if you don't run an ssh server, start webservers or so, it should not matter
[09:47] <bo2020> Many organisations seem to be trying to make Linux usable on their devices and software now.
[09:47] <bo2020> But if someone did run a server :p
[09:47] <bo2020> lol
[09:50] <gnrp> any kind of software you run poses a potential security risk. There are some high-gain targets though because they are run very often or in very important places... Windows in general, webservers, ssh being some of them
[09:51] <gnrp> so you have to configure them properly and keep them updated. There is virtually no risk when you know what you are doing
[09:51] <gnrp> zero-day exploits are not used against unimportant individuals
[11:54] <astraljava> I'd say installing WSL does not nearly introduce twice as many security risks, but maybe you were talking in general?
[12:30] <gnrp> astraljava: I meant that you introduce the ubuntu security risks of course, in addition to the ones already present on Windows
[13:30] <astraljava> gnrp: Right, yeah. So basically you don't really multiply the security risks by two, but you introduce a new set of security risks.
[13:31] <astraljava> Because the lists of ones on distinct operating systems are vastly different when it comes to size. :D
[13:31] <gnrp> astraljava: Ok. Can't give you the exact factor currently. Maybe it's pi/e or so. :P
[13:34] <astraljava> :D
[19:27] <xubuntu16w> Does Xubuntu 19.10 include any snap packages?  Will it download any if I install new packages?  What is the distro's plan for the future regarding snapd?
[19:50] <lighterowl> as far as I remember, chromium is now distributed as a snap package.
[19:54] <xubuntu16w> I know that is the case for Ubuntu, but I have heard that Xubuntu contains no snaps -- hence my questions.
[19:55] <lighterowl> well, Xubuntu uses the Ubuntu repositories to provide packages, so...
[19:59] <xubuntu16w> Lighterowl, are you saying the snaps will be there, Chromium and everything else?  What is your degree of certainty?
[20:01] <brainwash> xubuntu does not install chromium by default, and Xfce is not packaged as snap
[20:05] <xubuntu16w> So, one could always install snapd, but if you don't want it you don't have to, right?  Also, no need to uninstall the snap store or search for any installed snap packages after the initial install, right?  Finally, if I use apt to install new packages, they will never be snaps, right?
[20:06] <brainwash> install snapd? I thought it's installed already
[20:07] <brainwash> otherwise the user would not be able to see snap packages in the "Software" application
[20:07] <brainwash> or install them
[20:07] <brainwash> apt will probably not install any snaps
[20:15] <xubuntu16w> OK, I'm getting confused.  If snapd is already installed, then if I want a system with no snap packages I would have to uninstall it right away, as well as search for and uninstall any specific snaps that might have been installed with the distro.  Is that right?
[20:18] <lighterowl> xubuntu16w: if you uninstall snapd, all packages requiring it will have to be uninstalled too since they list it as a dependency (and if they don't, it's a whole other problem).
[20:19] <Kumool> snap is a kind of system itself, you can't get rid of it without getting rid of everything else
[20:20] <xubuntu16w> So, then as I'm currently on MX-Linux, which uses no snaps unless I specifically want to, I should probably just stay where I am.
[23:18] <JackFrost> XUbuntu doesn't ship any snaps, if you install Xubuntu then purge snapd you're good.  There's a couple landmines in the repos, but they're easy enough to avoid.