| mitya57 | vorlon: why are you trying to sync python-secretstorage? It is still in main, and jeepney is still in universe. | 06:49 |
|---|---|---|
| vorlon | mitya57: because I forgot that's why it wasn't synced and it showed up on merges | 06:49 |
| mitya57 | Ok | 06:49 |
| * mitya57 should have mentioned that in changelog | 06:50 | |
| mwhudson | xnox: no idea, sorry | 09:24 |
| xnox | juliank: Saviq is stuck in a boot loop, where something creates Ubuntu entry, points it at grubx64 and mokmanager is not being booted (it did boot once, but he quit it rather than completing it) | 11:34 |
| Saviq | o/ juliank - I can boot, but I have to keep the grub entry, hopefully not default | 11:35 |
| Saviq | And yeah somehow there's nothing resembling mokmanager on my system… | 11:35 |
| Saviq | Not sure how to add | 11:36 |
| xnox | once booted, | 11:36 |
| Saviq | Or is that what mmx is? | 11:36 |
| xnox | yes it is | 11:36 |
| xnox | not memory test thing =) | 11:36 |
| xnox | i think in verbose mode you should be able to use efibootmgr to add a new entry and set it as bootnext | 11:37 |
| xnox | doko: server team were already looking at xen mini-transition when i poked them due to auto-tracker detecting it. Also it looks like at https://launchpad.net/~lucaskanashiro/+archive/ubuntu/focal-ruby2.7-transition someone from server team is evaluating ruby2.7 transition. | 11:38 |
| Saviq | I was able to add it in setup, but it's unsigned… | 11:38 |
| xnox | sounds wrong, because it is signed | 11:38 |
| xnox | ah | 11:38 |
| xnox | well | 11:38 |
| xnox | one needs to make shim boot mmx | 11:38 |
| Saviq | Right :) | 11:39 |
| xnox | there was like a magic config file or variables to make shim boot mm, instead of grub | 11:39 |
| xnox | Saviq: can you use mokutil | 11:43 |
| xnox | and like re-roll it with: | 11:43 |
| xnox | mokutil --disable-validation | 11:44 |
| xnox | mokutil --enable-validation | 11:44 |
| xnox | and after the --disable-validaion go through the whole password, reboot, type password flow | 11:44 |
| xnox | and again after enable-validation? | 11:44 |
| Saviq | Trying | 11:47 |
| Saviq | Got mm to start at least | 11:48 |
| Saviq | xnox: ok that got me through, thanks! | 11:52 |
| Saviq | juliank, I'd still like to talk to you about what went wrong here, maybe we can fix? | 11:53 |
| juliank | Saviq: sure we can do some digging on Monday | 12:00 |
| * juliank is out today | 12:00 | |
| Saviq | ack! | 12:03 |
| ahasenack | tjaalton: hi, around? Got a question about your pkcs11 patch on bind9 | 12:23 |
| ahasenack | bug #1565392 for reference | 12:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1565392 in bind9 (Ubuntu) "[FFE] add support for native pkcs11" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565392 | 12:23 |
| rbasak | Can someone remind me where the script is for email address collection for an election please? | 12:24 |
| ahasenack | tjaalton: is that still needed by freeipa? Debian dropped that in their 9.12.0 package, stating that there "is a better solution with openssl engines" | 12:24 |
| tjaalton | ahasenack: 9.12 reimplemented it in some way, I guess. fedora hasn't moved to it yet | 12:43 |
| tjaalton | just like they haven't moved to > jdk8 | 12:43 |
| ahasenack | tjaalton: but does freeipa need a bind with pkcs11 support? | 12:43 |
| tjaalton | err, jdk > 8 | 12:43 |
| tjaalton | yes | 12:43 |
| tjaalton | then again, it got removed from focal, so | 12:44 |
| ahasenack | and that cannot be achieved via openssl configuration? | 12:44 |
| ahasenack | ah, that was my next question | 12:44 |
| ahasenack | freeipa's state in focal | 12:44 |
| tjaalton | haven't decided if the server will be reuploaded | 12:46 |
| tjaalton | dogtag got removed and freeipa with it, but jdk8 will be in focal | 12:46 |
| tjaalton | so experimental has 9.15, you're going to move to it? | 12:48 |
| ahasenack | no, the package in experimental has too many packaging changes, and looks incomplete | 12:48 |
| ahasenack | it doesn't have devel libraries | 12:48 |
| ahasenack | no s ymbols files | 12:49 |
| ahasenack | (all lib packages were merged into bind9-libs, and no symbols with them) | 12:49 |
| ahasenack | no export version too, afaik | 12:49 |
| tjaalton | that was for a reason aiui | 12:49 |
| tjaalton | but anyway, maybe best to stick to 9.11.x | 12:49 |
| ahasenack | well, that's the thing | 12:49 |
| ahasenack | the upcoming 9.16 is their lts release | 12:49 |
| tjaalton | heh | 12:50 |
| ahasenack | we could really benefit from moving to it | 12:50 |
| tjaalton | your call | 12:50 |
| ahasenack | 9.16 will be released this week or the next | 12:50 |
| * rbasak finds https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stefanor/+junk/election-tools/view/head:/voter-addresses.py | 12:54 | |
| Laney | that's the one | 12:57 |
| tjaalton | ahasenack: I'm not going to block the update. apparently it's not an easy task to port bind-dyndb-ldap over | 12:57 |
| ahasenack | ah, there's that one | 12:57 |
| ahasenack | I haven't checked it | 12:58 |
| ahasenack | and samba, come to think of it | 12:58 |
| rbasak | 147 email addresses for the poll. 28 people are eligible but don't have an email address published that I can use | 13:16 |
| rbasak | Some of them are quite active. What have they done in the past? Asked for a poll manually? | 13:17 |
| Laney | We've previously said "if you don't receive a ballot, ask for one" in the CfV mail. I don't remember ever receiving such a request though, so maybe that's not enough? | 13:18 |
| rbasak | IMHO it's sufficient to have emailed u-d-a@ | 13:20 |
| rbasak | (with instructions) | 13:20 |
| rbasak | As long as I don't get inundanted with manual requests. 28 seems rather a lot. But it sounds like that won't be a concern then :) | 13:20 |
| rbasak | inundanted | 13:21 |
| rbasak | My fingers seem incapable of typing that | 13:21 |
| rbasak | inundated | 13:21 |
| Laney | It does sound high for active uploaders, I'd have expected the GPG thingy to have found email addresses from their keys | 13:22 |
| rbasak | I disabled the GPG thingy | 13:22 |
| rbasak | Maybe I shouldn't have | 13:22 |
| rbasak | But don't we no longer trust SKS keyservers? | 13:22 |
| Laney | I think it should be OK to query keyserver.u.c with the full fingerprint | 13:23 |
| Laney | gtg have lunch, sorry | 13:23 |
| rbasak | The code has keyserver.leg.uct.ac.za hardcoded | 13:24 |
| * rbasak fights through some Python 2 induced UTF-8 goodness | 13:30 | |
| rbasak | With the keyserver support fix, 28 errored goes down to 2. | 13:35 |
| rbasak | That's much better | 13:35 |
| LocutusOfBorg | sunweaver, Missing build dependencies: mate-common (>= 1.24.0-1~) | 13:56 |
| LocutusOfBorg | mate-common 1.24.0-0ubuntu1 | 13:56 |
| LocutusOfBorg | meh | 13:56 |
| rbasak | "None of the above" is confusing because it'll appear backwards when people actually vote (on that particular page, "None of the below" would make more sense). What's a better term that doesn't rely on the ordering in which candidates appear? | 14:01 |
| slashd | rbasak, do you have an example so I can see ? | 14:03 |
| rafaeldtinoco | depmod: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:515 lookup_builtin_file() could not open builtin file '/var/tmp/mkinitramfs_HAauWM/lib/modules/5.4.0-14-generic/modules.builtin.bin' | 14:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | are you all getting this ^ for focal as well ? | 14:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | (during update-initramfs) | 14:05 |
| rbasak | slashd: so a quick Google revealed https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_7afed1599f666137&akey=09c624659290123f for instance. Imagine if "None" said "None of the above". Try to vote for two of those, and nothing else. | 14:05 |
| rbasak | (I don't mean that you should actually submit the vote, of course) | 14:05 |
| rbasak | How about "No further candidates"? | 14:06 |
| rbasak | Debian typically calls it "Further Discussion" but of course that doesn't make sense here. | 14:07 |
| slashd | rbasak, I'm good with "No further candidates" | 14:07 |
| ddstreet | rbasak possibly instead of allowing a vote for 'None' it would be better to clarify voters should use 'no opinion' for anyone they don't want to vote for, e.g. https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/faq.html | 14:08 |
| ddstreet | adding a 'None' candidate just means that if it wins, the DMB will be short 1 member, right? | 14:08 |
| rbasak | ddstreet: correct, but multiple people have suggested to me that it will give more credibility to the vote to permit that as an option | 14:08 |
| rbasak | I don't see it happening that "No further candidates" will rank higher than any of the current candidates, but giving the electorate that option does make sense I guess. | 14:09 |
| slashd | ddstreet, "no opinion" for me sound I don't care-ish ... while I think the vote should be decisive | 14:09 |
| ddstreet | i hope 'None' doesn't win then, unless that also adjusts the threshhold for quorum :) | 14:09 |
| rbasak | I don't think it'll happen, but if it does, I'll ask the TB to decide what to do. | 14:10 |
| ddstreet | slashd no, the 'no option' is an actual ranking choice in the poll, not a title of something you can vote for | 14:10 |
| ddstreet | the faq explains it in that first question | 14:10 |
| slashd | https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/faq.html | 14:11 |
| * slashd reading | 14:11 | |
| slashd | rbasak, ^^ | 14:11 |
| slashd | "Voters often pick “no opinion” when what they mean is that they don't like the choice or that they don't have any information about it." | 14:12 |
| rbasak | *If* we want to give the electorate an option to reject a candidate, then I think a "No further candidates" option makes sense to allow the electorate to positively specify that. | 14:12 |
| rbasak | On the If, there seems to be consensus from the current DMB that we do what to do that. | 14:13 |
| rbasak | So I intend to go ahead with "No further candidates" rather than enable the no opinion option. | 14:13 |
| slashd | rbasak, sound good to me | 14:13 |
| ddstreet | i guess this means there are only 8 candidates ;-) | 14:15 |
| rbasak | ddstreet: why do you say that? | 14:20 |
| rbasak | ddstreet: the FAQ "Setting up a poll" question 3 seems to cover this case. | 14:20 |
| ddstreet | rbasak well i assumed we don't need 'None' option if there are more candidates than open positions | 14:21 |
| ddstreet | but i suppose 'None' could still win over multiple candidates | 14:21 |
| rbasak | It could | 14:21 |
| ddstreet | rbasak option 3 is possible but it's different than just a 'None', if 'Unacceptable' won first place, then effectively the voters would have chosen *nobody* to serve on the DMB | 14:23 |
| ddstreet | not just 1 member short | 14:23 |
| ddstreet | anyway, whatever you think is best | 14:23 |
| slashd | if this case happens we will ask TBD to decide what is the next step ^^^ | 14:24 |
| rbasak | ddstreet: yes. I think that's intentional. It allows the electorate to decide that everyone is unacceptable, which is a valid position to hold and be reflected in the vote. | 14:24 |
| rbasak | It doesn't help staff the DMB of course, but if that's what the electorate wants... :) | 14:24 |
| ddstreet | sounds like the entry should be named as suggested then, 'choices ranked below this are unacceptable' | 14:26 |
| sladen | aka "None of the above", which is always included on Debian votes | 14:31 |
| sladen | so you get a result normally like Alice, Bob, Charlies, None-of-the-above, Drew, Erin, Francis, | 14:34 |
| rbasak | OK poll created, and announcement sent to u-d-a@ | 14:39 |
| rbasak | Now let's see how many mistakes I made :-/ | 14:40 |
| slashd | rbasak, thanks for the work on this | 14:41 |
| slashd | rbasak, there is a typo in rafaeldtinoco nickname, but I don't think it's big enough to generate confusion about who he is, ... but prefer to let you know | 14:42 |
| rbasak | Thanks | 14:43 |
| rbasak | Sorry rafaeldtinoco! | 14:43 |
| rafaeldtinoco | lol | 14:43 |
| rafaeldtinoco | no problem, i just realized that now | 14:43 |
| rafaeldtinoco | that slashd pointed out | 14:43 |
| rbasak | I'm going to pull https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/+junk/election-tools into a git repository inside ~ubuntu-core-dev or similar. I have a bunch of fixes to the script, port to Python 3, etc. Any other choices for a good team? | 14:45 |
| rafaeldtinoco | u mean a team to place it ? or a name for a new team ? | 14:49 |
| rbasak | An existing team to place it | 14:49 |
| rbasak | Maybe even ~ubuntu-dev actually | 14:49 |
| rafaeldtinoco | +1 on ubuntu-dev | 14:50 |
| rbasak | No reason the electorate can't help maintain the script that helps with their own elections | 14:50 |
| rafaeldtinoco | actually its really transparent =) | 14:50 |
| sunweaver | LocutusOfBorg: temporary issue... | 15:01 |
| sunweaver | LocutusOfBorg: I uploaded mate-common 1.24.0-1 to unstable now. Wimpress will see that it syncs over. Then this should be amended. | 15:05 |
| Laney | oof | 15:23 |
| Laney | rbasak: I used NOTB before: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_7ce24ee3e589e440 | 15:23 |
| Laney | sorry if this is underdocumented, must have escaped my parting brain dump AKA the knowledge base | 15:23 |
| Laney | would be good to update that while it's fresh :) | 15:27 |
| Laney | what a great slate of candidates! | 15:28 |
| LocutusOfBorg | sunweaver, nice! | 16:10 |
| rafaeldtinoco | bryce: https://code.launchpad.net/~rafaeldtinoco/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+git/initramfs-tools/+merge/379222 | 16:23 |
| rafaeldtinoco | u think u can +1 this ? its very easy to reproduce and check (if you have time of course) | 16:23 |
| bryce | rafaeldtinoco, alright, coffee first | 16:23 |
| rafaeldtinoco | deal | 16:23 |
| bryce | rafaeldtinoco, it's taking me a while to get kvm set up, I don't usually use kvm... it's coming up with no network and so I can't run update-initramfs -u | 17:15 |
| bryce | well, I mean I can run it, but I can't add the ppa before doing so | 17:16 |
| ahasenack | bryce: tried multipass? | 17:49 |
| ahasenack | or you need more low level access, like tweak qemu's command line? | 17:49 |
| bryce | ahasenack, I think I need to set up a bridge network device in NetworkManager | 17:50 |
| ahasenack | that sounds too complicated to be true | 17:50 |
| bryce | ahasenack, I know... :-/ | 17:50 |
| ahasenack | if you install libvirt, it creates a virbr0 bridge for you | 17:50 |
| ahasenack | same if you install multipass, it creates a bridge for you | 17:50 |
| cpaelzer | why would you create a bridge yourself - do you need a VM that can be reached from the outside? | 17:53 |
| cpaelzer | bryce: ^^ | 17:53 |
| bryce | cpaelzer, no, I just need to get a kvm vm that can install a ppa | 17:54 |
| bryce | but I rarely use kvm so the directions I'm googling are confusing | 17:55 |
| ahasenack | easiest I think is multipass; snap install multipass. multipass launch daily:focal | 17:56 |
| ahasenack | multipass shell <name-it-gave-you> | 17:56 |
| bryce | ahasenack, thanks that worked | 18:08 |
| ahasenack | cool | 18:08 |
| Saviq | w00t | 18:08 |
| bryce | rafaeldtinoco, ok, mp looks good, +1 -- https://code.launchpad.net/~rafaeldtinoco/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+git/initramfs-tools/+merge/379222 | 18:15 |
| rafaeldtinoco | bryce: cool! thx bryce !! | 18:16 |
| cjwatson | ricotz: Shouldn't these new transitional packages in libreoffice (-gtk2 and -kde4) actually depend on the things they're being transitional to? As it stands it's not clear that they achieve anything | 19:49 |
| cjwatson | ricotz: I'll accept them to get things moving, but they look kind of pointless | 19:51 |
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| ahasenack | any idea why apr-util has a build-depends on python:any? | 22:59 |
| ahasenack | a grep for "python" in the entire source returns only a d/changelog entry saying that the python b-d was annotated with ":any" | 23:00 |
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