| leftyfb | sarnold: I had synergy running on a jailbroken iphone at one point :) | 01:58 |
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| sarnold | you know I always thought iOS would be better if you could right click on things :) | 01:59 |
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| lotuspsychje | good morning | 03:27 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:39 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:30 |
| lotuspsychje | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-February/040901.html | 10:07 |
| lotuspsychje | grub | mra90 start here | 11:17 |
| lotuspsychje | !grub | mra90 | 11:17 |
| ubot5 | mra90: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 | 11:17 |
| mra90 | ok so in case of bootable USB device the beginning of device memory is actually a grub image? | 11:18 |
| lotuspsychje | mra90: not sure i understand your end goal exactly, but grub installs from your ubuntu install media towards your HD | 11:22 |
| lotuspsychje | mra90: now are you asking wich location grub has on the install medium, or do you want to know if grub can be installed on a persistent ubuntu usb? | 11:22 |
| mra90 | lotuspsychje, yes the former | 11:23 |
| mra90 | I want to know how USB device wa set up in regards to boot | 11:23 |
| mra90 | I mean how is it able to boot ubuntu | 11:23 |
| mra90 | it must come with a boot record right | 11:23 |
| lotuspsychje | mra90: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB | 11:24 |
| mra90 | lotuspsychje, but I don't see the information if live USB with ubuntu has MBR on it | 11:29 |
| lotuspsychje | nedR: i had cases where xubuntu worked better then lubuntu on one computer brand | 14:36 |
| lotuspsychje | nedR: but as leftyfb mentioned, try and see for yourself on your hardware both | 14:37 |
| leftyfb | pragmaticenigma: I didn't know lxde and xfce have both stopped focusing on low-end hardware. That's a pitty. Who is left? | 14:37 |
| pragmaticenigma | This is the hard part... saying the stoped focus isn't totally correct either | 14:37 |
| lotuspsychje | https://betanews.com/2018/07/30/ubuntu-linux-lubuntu-old-lxqt/ | 14:38 |
| oerheks | lxqt might be more lightweight | 14:38 |
| nedR | lotuspsychje, thanks.. yeah my use case is that i want to install it alongside gnome to run terraria which seems to run out of ram by few hundred megs... on a 10 year old laptop.. so ram is top priority but cpu performance is kinda important too | 14:38 |
| lotuspsychje | nedR: why along side gnome, when you can use the real flavour? | 14:39 |
| nedR | lotuspsychje, i don't know i just don't want to change my complete desktop and workflow for one game | 14:39 |
| nedR | don't want to open that pandoras box | 14:39 |
| lotuspsychje | nedR: in your case, i would go for the real flavour, perhaps minimal even and tweak your system around | 14:39 |
| nedR | just yet | 14:39 |
| pragmaticenigma | leftyfb: I think the better term is that Lubuntu devs are less focused on older hardware, but still focused on creating a low resource requirement for LXDE | 14:40 |
| nedR | yeah but that would involve reformatting, repartitioning, freeing space... right.. seems a bit more trouble than its worth | 14:40 |
| lotuspsychje | the better your system performs overall, the better your game will be nedR | 14:40 |
| nedR | but is it really low resource requirement if it doesn't run well on old hardware | 14:40 |
| leftyfb | Steam is not | 14:41 |
| lotuspsychje | there are low end graphic linux games on steam too | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | but 4gb ram...thats gonna need alot of system tweaking | 14:42 |
| lotuspsychje | nedR: got a spinner or ssd in there? | 14:42 |
| nedR | Terraria used to run on 512 mb ram... its official requirement is 4gb on steamos/linux.. but i guess updates. and ubuntu today changed it a bit | 14:43 |
| pragmaticenigma | I didn't say they dropped older hardware support, they're just less concerned with how it might run on a computer from 10 years ago compared to one that was released 5 years ago | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | nedR: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/i-finally-found-a-way-to-run-terraria-on-ubuntu-playonlinux.5477/ | 14:43 |
| leftyfb | nedR: I bet the game wuld run better in wine than steam, as far as memory usage goes | 14:44 |
| nedR | lotuspsychje, spinner lol...its funny how times and perceptions change... on my system i sometime accidentally launch calculator instead of libreoffice calc... gnome-calc takes longer to load than libreoffice due to it being a snap | 14:44 |
| lotuspsychje | with 4gb ram, you need to loose gnome | 14:44 |
| nedR | leftyfb, unfortunately game doesn't seem to run without steam from what i tried | 14:44 |
| leftyfb | nedR: did you read the link? Did you try with playonlinux? | 14:44 |
| nedR | oh sorry am reading now | 14:45 |
| nedR | one clarification pls.. if i install xfce alongside gnome... and use that during login.. you are saying some parts of gnome will still be running? | 14:45 |
| lotuspsychje | if you use ubuntu-desktop as base, it will act like it still | 14:46 |
| lotuspsychje | unless you start tweaking your services etc | 14:47 |
| nedR | ah ok thanks | 14:47 |
| nedR | didn't realise that | 14:47 |
| nedR | will still give it a shot | 14:47 |
| lotuspsychje | that doesnt mean xfce will run gnome parts | 14:47 |
| lotuspsychje | nedR: i always install: preload, haveged, bleachbit, stacer, tweak startup items, tweak system services,... | 14:48 |
| lotuspsychje | uninstall software you dont use | 14:49 |
| nedR | wow thats a lot of cool stuff i need to check out.. i am jotting this down for later.. thanks a million.. | 14:51 |
| nedR | This 4 year old article (https://askubuntu.com/questions/728845/how-to-install-xfce-alongside-with-gnome-in-trusty) recommends running sudo -i apt-get install xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfdesktop4 xfce4-taskmanager tango-icon-theme thunar instead of sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop because of possible issues/bloat.. is this still relevant advice? | 14:53 |
| nedR | apt-get install xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfdesktop4 xfce4-taskmanager tango-icon-theme thunar | 14:53 |
| nedR | instead of | 14:53 |
| nedR | sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 14:53 |
| nedR | is this true? | 14:53 |
| pragmaticenigma | I wouldn't trust that article | 14:54 |
| nedR | pragmaticenigma, ah ok.. so i will go with sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ? | 14:56 |
| pragmaticenigma | xubuntu-desktop is a meta package, it holds all the necassary components needed by XFCE to run properly... the only "bloat" i could think of is it might pull lightdm, which isn't going to hurt anything | 14:56 |
| nedR | or sudo -i | 14:57 |
| nedR | apt-get install --no-install-recommends xubuntu-desktop ? | 14:57 |
| pragmaticenigma | considering xubuntu-desktop is only a "recommends" package... I'm guessing that won't accomplish anything | 14:57 |
| nedR | So sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop is the way to go? | 14:58 |
| pragmaticenigma | that is the way I would do it | 14:58 |
| oerheks | i would install side-by-side, no clutter of other desktop services and programms | 14:58 |
| lotuspsychje | +1 oerheks | 14:59 |
| nedR | google thinks i am a bot because i am asking too many questions :( | 14:59 |
| nedR | oerheks, you mean xubuntu on separate partition? | 15:00 |
| oerheks | yes | 15:00 |
| nedR | ah ok.. thats a bit too much commitment at this point.. that is a more of a third date kinda thing... and i just going to meet xfce :) | 15:01 |
| nedR | ok installing.. hope it doesn't blow up my system :) | 15:02 |
| marcoagpinto | ohhhhhhh... did someone mention "cola"? | 15:17 |
| oerheks | no, corona .. | 15:18 |
| marcoagpinto | ohhhhhhh | 15:18 |
| oerheks | si .. pepsi | 15:18 |
| marcoagpinto | I am joking | 15:19 |
| oerheks | oke, i am not serious | 15:19 |
| marcoagpinto | nice MS Office feature in bug reports: "Include screenshot" | 15:21 |
| oerheks | uh oh | 15:21 |
| marcoagpinto | but months have gone by and my bibliography is still all messed up | 15:21 |
| marcoagpinto | the numbers don't fit the lines | 15:22 |
| marcoagpinto | IEEE | 15:22 |
| marcoagpinto | the columns* | 15:24 |
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