[01:58] sarnold: I had synergy running on a jailbroken iphone at one point :) [01:59] you know I always thought iOS would be better if you could right click on things :) === leden_ is now known as leden [03:27] good morning [06:39] good morning [07:30] Good morning [10:07] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-February/040901.html [11:17] grub | mra90 start here [11:17] !grub | mra90 [11:17] mra90: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [11:18] ok so in case of bootable USB device the beginning of device memory is actually a grub image? [11:22] mra90: not sure i understand your end goal exactly, but grub installs from your ubuntu install media towards your HD [11:22] mra90: now are you asking wich location grub has on the install medium, or do you want to know if grub can be installed on a persistent ubuntu usb? [11:23] lotuspsychje, yes the former [11:23] I want to know how USB device wa set up in regards to boot [11:23] I mean how is it able to boot ubuntu [11:23] it must come with a boot record right [11:24] mra90: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB [11:29] lotuspsychje, but I don't see the information if live USB with ubuntu has MBR on it [14:36] nedR: i had cases where xubuntu worked better then lubuntu on one computer brand [14:37] nedR: but as leftyfb mentioned, try and see for yourself on your hardware both [14:37] pragmaticenigma: I didn't know lxde and xfce have both stopped focusing on low-end hardware. That's a pitty. Who is left? [14:37] This is the hard part... saying the stoped focus isn't totally correct either [14:38] https://betanews.com/2018/07/30/ubuntu-linux-lubuntu-old-lxqt/ [14:38] lxqt might be more lightweight [14:38] lotuspsychje, thanks.. yeah my use case is that i want to install it alongside gnome to run terraria which seems to run out of ram by few hundred megs... on a 10 year old laptop.. so ram is top priority but cpu performance is kinda important too [14:39] nedR: why along side gnome, when you can use the real flavour? [14:39] lotuspsychje, i don't know i just don't want to change my complete desktop and workflow for one game [14:39] don't want to open that pandoras box [14:39] nedR: in your case, i would go for the real flavour, perhaps minimal even and tweak your system around [14:39] just yet [14:40] leftyfb: I think the better term is that Lubuntu devs are less focused on older hardware, but still focused on creating a low resource requirement for LXDE [14:40] yeah but that would involve reformatting, repartitioning, freeing space... right.. seems a bit more trouble than its worth [14:40] the better your system performs overall, the better your game will be nedR [14:40] but is it really low resource requirement if it doesn't run well on old hardware [14:41] Steam is not [14:42] there are low end graphic linux games on steam too [14:42] but 4gb ram...thats gonna need alot of system tweaking [14:42] nedR: got a spinner or ssd in there? [14:43] Terraria used to run on 512 mb ram... its official requirement is 4gb on steamos/linux.. but i guess updates. and ubuntu today changed it a bit [14:43] I didn't say they dropped older hardware support, they're just less concerned with how it might run on a computer from 10 years ago compared to one that was released 5 years ago [14:43] nedR: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/i-finally-found-a-way-to-run-terraria-on-ubuntu-playonlinux.5477/ [14:44] nedR: I bet the game wuld run better in wine than steam, as far as memory usage goes [14:44] lotuspsychje, spinner lol...its funny how times and perceptions change... on my system i sometime accidentally launch calculator instead of libreoffice calc... gnome-calc takes longer to load than libreoffice due to it being a snap [14:44] with 4gb ram, you need to loose gnome [14:44] leftyfb, unfortunately game doesn't seem to run without steam from what i tried [14:44] nedR: did you read the link? Did you try with playonlinux? [14:45] oh sorry am reading now [14:45] one clarification pls.. if i install xfce alongside gnome... and use that during login.. you are saying some parts of gnome will still be running? [14:46] if you use ubuntu-desktop as base, it will act like it still [14:47] unless you start tweaking your services etc [14:47] ah ok thanks [14:47] didn't realise that [14:47] will still give it a shot [14:47] that doesnt mean xfce will run gnome parts [14:48] nedR: i always install: preload, haveged, bleachbit, stacer, tweak startup items, tweak system services,... [14:49] uninstall software you dont use [14:51] wow thats a lot of cool stuff i need to check out.. i am jotting this down for later.. thanks a million.. [14:53] This 4 year old article (https://askubuntu.com/questions/728845/how-to-install-xfce-alongside-with-gnome-in-trusty) recommends running sudo -i apt-get install xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfdesktop4 xfce4-taskmanager tango-icon-theme thunar instead of sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop because of possible issues/bloat.. is this still relevant advice? [14:53] apt-get install xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfdesktop4 xfce4-taskmanager tango-icon-theme thunar [14:53] instead of [14:53] sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [14:53] is this true? [14:54] I wouldn't trust that article [14:56] pragmaticenigma, ah ok.. so i will go with sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ? [14:56] xubuntu-desktop is a meta package, it holds all the necassary components needed by XFCE to run properly... the only "bloat" i could think of is it might pull lightdm, which isn't going to hurt anything [14:57] or sudo -i [14:57] apt-get install --no-install-recommends xubuntu-desktop ? [14:57] considering xubuntu-desktop is only a "recommends" package... I'm guessing that won't accomplish anything [14:58] So sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop is the way to go? [14:58] that is the way I would do it [14:58] i would install side-by-side, no clutter of other desktop services and programms [14:59] +1 oerheks [14:59] google thinks i am a bot because i am asking too many questions :( [15:00] oerheks, you mean xubuntu on separate partition? [15:00] yes [15:01] ah ok.. thats a bit too much commitment at this point.. that is a more of a third date kinda thing... and i just going to meet xfce :) [15:02] ok installing.. hope it doesn't blow up my system :) [15:17] ohhhhhhh... did someone mention "cola"? [15:18] no, corona .. [15:18] ohhhhhhh [15:18] si .. pepsi [15:19] I am joking [15:19] oke, i am not serious [15:21] nice MS Office feature in bug reports: "Include screenshot" [15:21] uh oh [15:21] but months have gone by and my bibliography is still all messed up [15:22] the numbers don't fit the lines [15:22] IEEE [15:24] the columns* === angik1 is now known as angik === angik1 is now known as angik