[01:58] <leftyfb> sarnold: I had synergy running on a jailbroken iphone at one point :)
[01:59] <sarnold> you know I always thought iOS would be better if you could right click on things :)
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:39] <ducasse> good morning
[07:30] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2020-February/040901.html
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> grub | mra90 start here
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> !grub | mra90
[11:18] <mra90> ok so in case of bootable USB device the beginning of device memory is actually a grub image?
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> mra90: not sure i understand your end goal exactly, but grub installs from your ubuntu install media towards your HD
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> mra90: now are you asking wich location grub has on the install medium, or do you want to know if grub can be installed on a persistent ubuntu usb?
[11:23] <mra90> lotuspsychje, yes the former
[11:23] <mra90> I want to know how USB device wa set up in regards to boot
[11:23] <mra90> I mean how is it able to boot ubuntu
[11:23] <mra90> it must come with a boot record right
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> mra90: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB
[11:29] <mra90> lotuspsychje, but I don't see the information if live USB with ubuntu has MBR on it
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> nedR: i had cases where xubuntu worked better then lubuntu on one computer brand
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> nedR: but as leftyfb mentioned, try and see for yourself on your hardware both
[14:37] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I didn't know lxde and xfce have both stopped focusing on low-end hardware. That's a pitty. Who is left?
[14:37] <pragmaticenigma> This is the hard part... saying the stoped focus isn't totally correct either
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> https://betanews.com/2018/07/30/ubuntu-linux-lubuntu-old-lxqt/
[14:38] <oerheks> lxqt might be more lightweight
[14:38] <nedR> lotuspsychje, thanks.. yeah my use case is that i want to install it alongside gnome to run terraria which seems to run out of ram by few hundred megs... on a 10 year old laptop.. so ram is top priority but cpu performance is kinda important too
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> nedR: why along side gnome, when you can use the real flavour?
[14:39] <nedR> lotuspsychje, i don't know i just don't want to change my complete desktop and workflow for one game
[14:39] <nedR> don't want to open that pandoras box
[14:39] <lotuspsychje> nedR: in your case, i would go for the real flavour, perhaps minimal even and tweak your system around
[14:39] <nedR> just yet
[14:40] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I think the better term is that Lubuntu devs are less focused on older hardware, but still focused on creating a low resource requirement for LXDE
[14:40] <nedR> yeah but that would involve reformatting, repartitioning, freeing space... right.. seems a bit more trouble than its worth
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> the better your system performs overall, the better your game will be nedR
[14:40] <nedR> but is it really low resource requirement if it doesn't run well on old hardware
[14:41] <leftyfb> Steam is not
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> there are low end graphic linux games on steam too
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> but 4gb ram...thats gonna need alot of system tweaking
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> nedR: got a spinner or ssd in there?
[14:43] <nedR> Terraria used to run on 512 mb ram... its official requirement is 4gb on steamos/linux.. but i guess updates. and ubuntu today changed it a bit
[14:43] <pragmaticenigma> I didn't say they dropped older hardware support, they're just less concerned with how it might run on a computer from 10 years ago compared to one that was released 5 years ago
[14:43] <leftyfb> nedR: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/i-finally-found-a-way-to-run-terraria-on-ubuntu-playonlinux.5477/
[14:44] <leftyfb> nedR: I bet the game wuld run better in wine than steam, as far as memory usage goes
[14:44] <nedR> lotuspsychje, spinner lol...its funny how times and perceptions change... on my system i sometime accidentally launch calculator instead of libreoffice calc... gnome-calc takes longer to load than libreoffice due to it being a snap
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> with 4gb ram, you need to loose gnome
[14:44] <nedR> leftyfb, unfortunately game doesn't seem to run without steam from what i tried
[14:44] <leftyfb> nedR: did you read the link? Did you try with playonlinux?
[14:45] <nedR> oh sorry am reading now
[14:45] <nedR> one clarification pls.. if i install xfce alongside gnome... and use that during login.. you are saying some parts of gnome will still be running?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> if you use ubuntu-desktop as base, it will act like it still
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> unless you start tweaking your services etc
[14:47] <nedR> ah ok thanks
[14:47] <nedR> didn't realise that
[14:47] <nedR> will still give it a shot
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> that doesnt mean xfce will run gnome parts
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> nedR: i always install: preload, haveged, bleachbit, stacer, tweak startup items, tweak system services,...
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> uninstall software you dont use
[14:51] <nedR> wow thats a lot of cool stuff i need to check out.. i am jotting this down for later.. thanks a million..
[14:53] <nedR> This 4 year old article (https://askubuntu.com/questions/728845/how-to-install-xfce-alongside-with-gnome-in-trusty) recommends running sudo -i apt-get install xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfdesktop4 xfce4-taskmanager tango-icon-theme thunar instead of sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop because of possible issues/bloat.. is this still relevant advice?
[14:53] <nedR> apt-get install xfwm4 xfce4-panel xfce4-settings xfce4-session xfce4-terminal xfdesktop4 xfce4-taskmanager tango-icon-theme thunar
[14:53] <nedR> instead of
[14:53] <nedR>   sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[14:53] <nedR> is this true?
[14:54] <pragmaticenigma> I wouldn't trust that article
[14:56] <nedR> pragmaticenigma, ah ok.. so i will go with  sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop ?
[14:56] <pragmaticenigma> xubuntu-desktop is a meta package, it holds all the necassary components needed by XFCE to run properly... the only "bloat" i could think of is it might pull lightdm, which isn't going to hurt anything
[14:57] <nedR> or sudo -i
[14:57] <nedR> apt-get install --no-install-recommends xubuntu-desktop ?
[14:57] <pragmaticenigma> considering xubuntu-desktop is only a "recommends" package... I'm guessing that won't accomplish anything
[14:58] <nedR> So sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop is the way to go?
[14:58] <pragmaticenigma> that is the way I would do it
[14:58] <oerheks> i would install side-by-side, no clutter of other desktop services and programms
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> +1 oerheks
[14:59] <nedR> google thinks i am a bot because i am asking too many questions :(
[15:00] <nedR> oerheks, you mean xubuntu on separate partition?
[15:00] <oerheks> yes
[15:01] <nedR> ah ok.. thats a bit too much commitment at this point.. that is a more of a third date kinda thing... and i just going to meet xfce :)
[15:02] <nedR> ok installing.. hope it doesn't blow up my system :)
[15:17] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh... did someone mention "cola"?
[15:18] <oerheks> no, corona ..
[15:18] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhhh
[15:18] <oerheks> si .. pepsi
[15:19] <marcoagpinto> I am joking
[15:19] <oerheks> oke, i am not serious
[15:21] <marcoagpinto> nice MS Office feature in bug reports: "Include screenshot"
[15:21] <oerheks> uh oh
[15:21] <marcoagpinto> but months have gone by and my bibliography is still all messed up
[15:22] <marcoagpinto> the numbers don't fit the lines
[15:22] <marcoagpinto> IEEE
[15:24] <marcoagpinto> the columns*