| bdmurray | o/ | 16:00 |
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| sil2100 | o/ | 16:00 |
| rbalint | o/ | 16:01 |
| bdmurray | #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team | 16:03 |
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| bdmurray | #topic Lightning rounds | 16:03 |
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| bdmurray | echo $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity mwhudson juliank waveform) | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | bdmurray mwhudson tdaitx rbalint sil2100 doko xnox infinity vorlon waveform juliank | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | submitted RT regarding ET mojo spec jenkins run failing | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | reading / posting on Raspberry Pi forums re Ubuntu | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | writing / discussing ubuntu-patch-status specification | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | uploaded u-r-u fixing LP: #1834501 | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | testing updated linux-firmware-raspi2 and 802.11ac | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | sru-review of containerd for mwhudson | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | short week due to a holiday | 16:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1834501 in lxd (Ubuntu) "do-release-upgrade from bionic->any disables lxd without snapstore access" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1834501 | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | ✔ done | 16:03 |
| bdmurray | tdaitx: | 16:04 |
| bdmurray | rbalint: how about you? | 16:04 |
| rbalint | * partner work | 16:04 |
| rbalint | * proposed migration: task | 16:04 |
| rbalint | * ftbfs fix: flatbuffers | 16:05 |
| rbalint | * SRUs: unattended-upgrades | 16:05 |
| rbalint | * speeding up unattended-upgrades in progress | 16:05 |
| rbalint | (done) | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | rbalint: Do those SRUs need review? | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | sil2100: | 16:05 |
| rbalint | bdmurray, sil2100 kindly did them | 16:05 |
| sil2100 | Skip | 16:05 |
| sil2100 | plz | 16:05 |
| doko | - finally sent the python2 removal email | 16:05 |
| doko | - python3.7 removal: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.8-only.html | 16:05 |
| doko | - icu transition | 16:05 |
| doko | - working on a gcc-8 upstream issue, armhf, for the 8.4 release | 16:05 |
| doko | - gcc-8 update | 16:05 |
| doko | - gcc-9 update, add the fix for -O3 ppc64el endless loop | 16:05 |
| doko | - some unrelated uploads/transitions | 16:05 |
| doko | (done) | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | xnox: | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | vorlon: | 16:06 |
| vorlon | * short week, out last Friday and this Monday | 16:06 |
| vorlon | * proposed-migration and merges | 16:06 |
| vorlon | * a few more i386 autopkgtests passing | 16:06 |
| vorlon | (done) | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | waveform is ill | 16:07 |
| bdmurray | juliank: | 16:07 |
| juliank | you guys are too fast | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | I'm ready | 16:07 |
| bdmurray | go for it | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | - SRU reviews and releases | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | - Some kernel SRUs | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | - Looking into the quirk check-free-space update-manager crash bug - already fixed | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | - Looked into bubblewrap/libcap2 ADT issues, filled bugs in LP and Debian | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | - Refreshed core16 images | 16:07 |
| xnox | bdmurray: i was still in IBM call sorry. | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | - Archive administration work | 16:07 |
| sil2100 | - Poked people to get Dave added to the right teams for pi-gadget commit access | 16:08 |
| * xnox starts typing my own notes | 16:08 | |
| sil2100 | - netplan: | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | * Played around with the code | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | * Looked at the NetworkManager read-write spec, answered some questions, asked a few more | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | * Prepared packaging for the required libnetplan library, did some test builds | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | - Prepared some symlinks to pi4 images on nusakan | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | - Interviews | 16:08 |
| sil2100 | (done) | 16:08 |
| * juliank ready | 16:08 | |
| juliank | * learning more about grub scripting and dmi, and modaliases | 16:08 |
| juliank | * apt 1.9.10 | 16:08 |
| juliank | * started breaking the APT ABI in master | 16:08 |
| juliank | * learning how to build images locally with ubuntu-cdimage and friends | 16:08 |
| juliank | * sponsoring maas deb2snap uploads for ack and co | 16:08 |
| juliank | * fixing apt fuzz segfaults in tagfile parser | 16:08 |
| juliank | * python-apt: | 16:08 |
| juliank | - ported to pybuild | 16:08 |
| juliank | - fixed segmentation fault in python-apt | 16:08 |
| juliank | - added set_priority calls for rbalint | 16:08 |
| juliank | - made it build against apt master | 16:08 |
| juliank | * fixed aptitude | 16:08 |
| juliank | * broke shim? it can't load fwupd on focal, investigating did not yield useful results so far | 16:08 |
| juliank | * found i915 patches | 16:09 |
| juliank | * "testing" mesa 20 from proposed :D | 16:09 |
| juliank | (done) | 16:09 |
| bdmurray | xnox: are you ready? | 16:09 |
| juliank | thanks xnox for ubuntu-cdimage tutorial | 16:09 |
| xnox | Good progress on icu transition, about just a dozen packages left | 16:09 |
| xnox | Ubuntu-core-initramfs did upload with better cryptsetup, still needs work as post-initrd boot is still borked up a bit. | 16:09 |
| xnox | Subiquity luks is done in edge channel now, it’s nice. | 16:09 |
| xnox | Done | 16:09 |
| xnox | juliank: your welcome =) | 16:09 |
| xnox | bdmurray: let's call that my status | 16:09 |
| bdmurray | xnox: works for me | 16:09 |
| bdmurray | #topic Release incoming bugs | 16:10 |
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| bdmurray | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs | 16:10 |
| bdmurray | bug 1863532 | 16:10 |
| ubottu | bug 1863532 in python3-defaults (Ubuntu) "Invoking "python" brings inappropriate response from command-not-found when python3 installed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1863532 | 16:10 |
| bdmurray | this seems worth taking | 16:11 |
| bdmurray | I'll target and card it | 16:12 |
| bdmurray | bug 1863195 | 16:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1863195 in dh-python (Ubuntu) "py3compile should not emit python runtime warnings during dist-upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1863195 | 16:12 |
| bdmurray | I also saw this during an upgrade | 16:13 |
| bdmurray | This would add a lot of noise to debugging dist-upgrades | 16:14 |
| doko | I don't care, do what you have to do | 16:18 |
| rbalint | +1 for carding it | 16:23 |
| bdmurray | We'll talk about this at the sprint in Frankfurt but will also target and card it | 16:24 |
| bdmurray | bug 1862846 is already targetted and in progress | 16:25 |
| ubottu | bug 1862846 in util-linux (Ubuntu Focal) "Crash and failure installing focal" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1862846 | 16:25 |
| bdmurray | bug 1861655 | 16:26 |
| ubottu | bug 1861655 in The Ubuntu-power-systems project "[Ubu 20.04][kernel-5.4.0-12-generic][WSP-DD2.3] Unable to install Ubu 20.4 on NVMe disk" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861655 | 16:26 |
| bdmurray | we'll card that | 16:27 |
| bdmurray | It looks like bryce has made progress with bug 1861472 but has a lot of philosophical questions in there | 16:28 |
| ubottu | bug 1861472 in openssh (Ubuntu) "upgrade from fresh bionic to focal needlessly prompts user" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861472 | 16:28 |
| bdmurray | vorlon will follow up on the questions | 16:29 |
| bdmurray | bug 1861470 sounds familiar did we discuss it? | 16:30 |
| ubottu | bug 1861470 in linux-signed-5.4 (Ubuntu) "BIOS logo reappears mid-boot after the purple screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861470 | 16:30 |
| vorlon | is this the one I've commented on? | 16:30 |
| vorlon | yeah | 16:30 |
| bdmurray | This sounds like something we should coordinate across teams so a spec would be appropriate to get agreement and buy in. | 16:33 |
| bdmurray | Or start via an email which xnox will send. | 16:33 |
| bdmurray | bug 1861082 is a duplicate and think is a won't fix from us | 16:34 |
| ubottu | bug 1861082 in apport (Ubuntu) "ubuntu-bug doesn't know how to file bugs against snaps" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1861082 | 16:34 |
| bdmurray | because there isn't any information provided by snaps about where bugs should go | 16:35 |
| bdmurray | I seem to recall some previous work about apport telling you something is a snap e.g. if you do ubuntu-bug git-ubuntu | 16:37 |
| bdmurray | and that does tell you something | 16:38 |
| bdmurray | xnox will do some stuff with that bug | 16:39 |
| bdmurray | #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 16:40 |
| bdmurray | bug 1842439 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | bug 1842439 in apport (Ubuntu) "apport-gtk crashed with SIGSEGV in _gtk_settings_get_screen(settings=0x0)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1842439 | 16:41 |
| bdmurray | That errors bucket is somewhat large so I think its worth having a look. Agreed? | 16:41 |
| sil2100 | +1 | 16:42 |
| bdmurray | rls-bb-incoming is fine | 16:42 |
| bdmurray | #topic Team proposed-migration report | 16:43 |
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| bdmurray | vorlon: | 16:43 |
| vorlon | [LINK] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/focal/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs | 16:43 |
| vorlon | the top one is libyaml-libyaml-perl, which is stuck in both Debian unstable and -proposed because of some upstream incompatibilities | 16:44 |
| vorlon | I took this one last time but didn't make any progress on it | 16:44 |
| vorlon | I'm inclined to deprioritize it, unless someone else is keen? | 16:44 |
| xnox | kick it out of -proposed? | 16:44 |
| vorlon | xnox: why? it is likely to be fixed eventually in Debian | 16:45 |
| xnox | if it can't migrate, and we can't update the package if we need to = bad | 16:45 |
| xnox | cause /this/ version will never migrate | 16:45 |
| vorlon | when have we ever updated this package | 16:45 |
| xnox | =) | 16:45 |
| xnox | lolz ok | 16:45 |
| vorlon | xnox: no, it's a /related/ package whose autopkgtests are failing | 16:45 |
| xnox | ah | 16:45 |
| vorlon | and that package might get fixed so that they can go in together | 16:45 |
| xnox | ok | 16:45 |
| vorlon | so I would leave it there and ignore unless something else comes up that makes it a priority | 16:45 |
| vorlon | gmp | 16:45 |
| xnox | open a bug report with update-execuse tag explaining this? | 16:45 |
| vorlon | rbalint: you took this one last week, do you need any help? | 16:46 |
| vorlon | xnox: ok | 16:46 |
| rbalint | gmp is mine, behavour changes | 16:46 |
| vorlon | I'll do that | 16:46 |
| rbalint | need revdep fixes, on it | 16:46 |
| vorlon | ok | 16:46 |
| vorlon | boost-defaults | 16:46 |
| vorlon | xnox: need any help here for this transition? | 16:46 |
| xnox | can we just migrate it? | 16:46 |
| vorlon | sounds like no (britney is right!) | 16:47 |
| vorlon | and sounds like boost-defaults+icu is going to be ready to go soon | 16:47 |
| vorlon | pyserial/mu-editor | 16:48 |
| vorlon | waveform took this | 16:48 |
| vorlon | waveform: (when you're around) any progress on pyserial, mu-editor on armhf? | 16:48 |
| vorlon | libsereal-decoder-perl is tdaitx, who is also not around, carry over | 16:49 |
| vorlon | icu, as discussed | 16:49 |
| vorlon | openjdk-lts is blocked on the i386 autopkgtest regression | 16:49 |
| vorlon | well, "regression" | 16:49 |
| vorlon | doko: do I need to dig up my patch for i386 autopkgtests and send it to you? | 16:49 |
| vorlon | or have you talked to tdaitx about this? | 16:50 |
| doko | vorlon: not yet, he's still lunching :-/ | 16:51 |
| vorlon | doko: so will you follow up with him or should I dig up my link? | 16:51 |
| doko | maybe digging it up is safer | 16:52 |
| vorlon | ok | 16:53 |
| vorlon | apt + libzstd | 16:53 |
| vorlon | juliank: ^^ any insight? do you want to take this and dig into it? | 16:53 |
| vorlon | might just need a retry | 16:53 |
| juliank | ill loo | 16:53 |
| vorlon | ok | 16:53 |
| juliank | k | 16:53 |
| vorlon | xfsprogs, entangled with icu | 16:53 |
| vorlon | procps: this was my upload, I've pinged the server team about figuring out why postgresql-common doesn't like the new version, I'll re-ping | 16:54 |
| vorlon | (the postgresql-comomn tests require a VM rather than a chroot, so I can't be bothered to reproduce it locally ;p) | 16:54 |
| vorlon | lintian | 16:54 |
| vorlon | ftbfs | 16:54 |
| vorlon | who wants this one? | 16:55 |
| vorlon | bdmurray: ? | 16:55 |
| vorlon | and I'll take netbase, which is munin, which is flaky | 16:56 |
| vorlon | bdmurray: can you take lintian? | 16:56 |
| bdmurray | okay | 16:56 |
| vorlon | thanks | 16:56 |
| vorlon | and that's the list for today | 16:56 |
| bdmurray | #topic AOB | 16:57 |
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| bdmurray | I'm out starting the 25th | 16:57 |
| juliank | I'll have to land libapt-pkg6.0 next week before FF. I might still want a FFe to add more patterns later when I'm less busy | 16:57 |
| ahasenack | can I bring something up? (don't know what aob is, any other business?) | 16:57 |
| doko | ahh, I wanted to point out the two pending transitions: | 16:57 |
| juliank | ahasenack: yes it is | 16:57 |
| doko | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.8-only.html | 16:58 |
| bdmurray | its not ahasenack other business though | 16:58 |
| juliank | bdmurray: that's true | 16:58 |
| doko | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/icu.html | 16:58 |
| doko | help on those is welcome | 16:58 |
| vorlon | doko: from what xnox says, icu should be "done soon", are there specific things here that you and xnox want help with? | 16:58 |
| xnox | doko: are unknown actually bad? or unknown actually good? | 16:58 |
| vorlon | I can pitch in but don't want to duplicate effort | 16:58 |
| juliank | bdmurray: we could invite him to share, though, let's be friendly | 16:59 |
| xnox | vorlon: there are like 12 packages left, i'm not stuck yet. if i do get stuck i'll ask for help. | 16:59 |
| vorlon | ok | 16:59 |
| doko | xnox: I'm ignoring unknown | 16:59 |
| xnox | so far it was fallout from new SDL2 and new CMAKE nothing related to icu itself, just generic bitrot FTBFS | 16:59 |
| bdmurray | ahasenack: what do you want to bring up? | 16:59 |
| ahasenack | my topic is bind 9.16, upstream's "lts" stable version. isc-dhcp, bind-dyndb-ldap (universe) don't build with it, and debian has come up with https://salsa.debian.org/dns-team/bind9-libs/commit/40cab7029da3680cb9e58fa849018d942a6013b1 | 16:59 |
| xnox | ahasenack: i asked them to release LTS stable in time for ubuntu LTS. | 16:59 |
| ahasenack | which is package 9.16.x as just libraries, to keep isc-dhcp happy, and ship 9.16 with the full blown server | 17:00 |
| xnox | ahasenack: my hope was that we will take it. | 17:00 |
| doko | anyway, if anybody is picking up a python3.8 issue, just mention it on irc | 17:00 |
| ahasenack | yeah, I've been working on 9.15.8 for the past few days, trying to pacakge it, check the differences, etc | 17:00 |
| ahasenack | this affects also freeipa, but it's my understanding we removed it from focal already, due to java issues, or something like that | 17:00 |
| xnox | ahasenack: we do want to keep isc-dhcp working | 17:00 |
| xnox | ahasenack: so i guess we do need to do this mess, and take it into focal | 17:01 |
| juliank | :/ | 17:01 |
| xnox | don't care about bind-dyndb-ldap, but we do care about isc-dhcp to be working | 17:01 |
| ahasenack | #security also prefers to have 9.16 as the server | 17:01 |
| vorlon | xnox: do you want to create a card for the isc-dhcp work? | 17:01 |
| xnox | can we fix isc-dhcp or is it hard? | 17:01 |
| ahasenack | and is ok with having 9.11 as libs only, even though they are used (for what?) in isc-dhcp | 17:01 |
| xnox | or like make isc-dhcp static link? | 17:01 |
| xnox | cause i'm not sure we want to expose old libs for everyone | 17:01 |
| xnox | ahasenack: it is ok for having 9.11 as libs only, yes. | 17:02 |
| ahasenack | there are also the udebs which I don't know how they are used | 17:02 |
| ahasenack | debian's 9.16 package doesn't build them | 17:02 |
| vorlon | only in d-i, so let's just break those deliberately | 17:02 |
| vorlon | ;p | 17:02 |
| xnox | ahasenack: it's isc-dhcp which is used in d-i. | 17:02 |
| ahasenack | I mean, I know it's in d-i, just not how, or how to test it | 17:02 |
| xnox | ahasenack: hence you'll probably need the old bind libs as udebs | 17:02 |
| xnox | but not the new ones | 17:03 |
| ahasenack | xnox: the bind9-libs src pkg from that salsa link above builds the udebs | 17:03 |
| ahasenack | the 9.11 ones | 17:03 |
| xnox | yes | 17:03 |
| ahasenack | so it looks like a working plan | 17:03 |
| xnox | yeap | 17:03 |
| ahasenack | but wanted to check with you | 17:03 |
| ahasenack | specially because we will have two major versions of bind 9 in main then | 17:03 |
| ahasenack | even though one only builds libraries | 17:03 |
| vorlon | :/ | 17:03 |
| xnox | yes | 17:03 |
| xnox | ahasenack: alternative is to build systemd-networkd netplan python3.8 into initramfs and udebs | 17:04 |
| ahasenack | I don't know about building isc-dhcp with static bind9.11 libraries | 17:04 |
| xnox | ahasenack: drop / break isc-dhcp | 17:04 |
| xnox | and thus drop / break ifupdown | 17:04 |
| juliank | nooooooooo | 17:04 |
| ahasenack | I tried merging isc-dhcp once from debian, couldn't do it. Too much undocumented history | 17:04 |
| xnox | which is not going to happen | 17:04 |
| xnox | ahasenack: i think people at this point depend on the bugs in isc-dhcp as stable ABI | 17:04 |
| juliank | but .. can't it go to universe? | 17:05 |
| xnox | juliank: we use it in the initrd | 17:05 |
| juliank | ifupdown is in universe | 17:05 |
| xnox | juliank: isc-dhcp | 17:05 |
| juliank | hmm | 17:05 |
| vorlon | xnox: isc-dhcp is also used in initramfs | 17:05 |
| ahasenack | I was told by upstream that isc-dhcp is on life support | 17:05 |
| vorlon | sure, but in favor of what | 17:05 |
| ahasenack | isc-kea probably | 17:06 |
| juliank | systemd dhcp client? | 17:06 |
| ahasenack | ah, mixed streams, sorry | 17:06 |
| vorlon | juliank: in initramfs | 17:06 |
| vorlon | that's not a change to make for 20.04 | 17:06 |
| juliank | yes | 17:06 |
| juliank | :D | 17:07 |
| vorlon | did we manage to close out this meeting, or is it going to go forever because bdmurray is afk? :) | 17:07 |
| xnox | juliank: i don't think we can use networkd dhcp client stand alone, as it requests different set of DHCP options / not enough for like ISCSI root mount on Oracle | 17:07 |
| bdmurray | I'll close it out | 17:07 |
| bdmurray | #endmeeting | 17:07 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Feb 20 17:07:59 2020 UTC. | 17:07 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-02-20-16.03.moin.txt | 17:07 |
| rbalint | o/ | 17:09 |
| ahasenack | ok, so I'll continue exploring that bind9 plan then? bring in bind9-libs 9.11, build 9.16 server, following debian? | 17:09 |
| xnox | yes | 17:09 |
| ahasenack | and keep isc-dhcp working | 17:10 |
| ahasenack | :) | 17:10 |
| xnox | yes | 17:10 |
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