[00:00] <JoeLlama> has ubuntu on it now just need to wipe and replace
[00:00] <sarnold> FremontC: check your /etc/pam,d/ configs
[00:00] <EriC^^> JoeLlama: try pressing F12 and choose the usb
[00:01] <JoeLlama> no F12 key :(
[00:01] <JoeLlama> goes up to F10
[00:01] <JoeLlama> I get a boot menu if I press 0
[00:01] <JoeLlama> but same thing happens
[00:01] <EriC^^> JoeLlama: anything interesting in the bios boot options?
[00:01] <EriC^^> fast boot disabled? secureboot off?
[00:02] <EriC^^> JoeLlama: in the bios which is set as the priority of booting? hdd or usb?
[00:03] <JoeLlama> I check...  didn't see secure boot
[00:03] <JoeLlama> set for USB
[00:03] <JoeLlama> hold on :)
[00:03] <oerheks> there is an old ubuntu manual for that mini9
[00:04] <oerheks> https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_laptop/esuprt_inspiron_laptop/inspiron-mini9_reference%20guide_nl-nl.pdf
[00:04] <JoeLlama> quick boot off EriC^^ and nope :(
[00:04] <JoeLlama> *sigh*
[00:04] <FremontC> sarnold: /etc/pam.d/  has no *conf* files.  There is a pam.conf - it has everything #commented out.  (This is actually a xubuntu system)
[00:04] <JoeLlama> where is secure boot?
[00:04] <JoeLlama> wait I try something else
[00:04] <sarnold> FremontC: those files odn't end with .conf, they are just named after the services in question
[00:05] <sarnold> FremontC: so make sure /etc/pam.d/sshd describes the PAM policy you want sshd to enforce
[00:06] <JoeLlama> EriC^^ and sarnold looks like my USB drive is not configured right for this install I tried regular ubuntu install and it boots from that
[00:06] <JoeLlama> thanks :)
[00:07] <sarnold> JoeLlama: yay? things are working?
[00:07] <JoeLlama> nope
[00:08] <JoeLlama> ok so I have an intel atom 450.... what version of lubuntu do I use? also should I go xubuntu instead?
[00:08] <JoeLlama> oh wait intel atom n270
[00:09] <JoeLlama> it says it's a i686 hrm
[00:09] <sarnold> JoeLlama: oh. uh. grab the 32 bit version: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/36331/intel-atom-processor-n270-512k-cache-1-60-ghz-533-mhz-fsb.html
[00:09] <JoeLlama> thought this processor was 64 bit maybe not
[00:09] <JoeLlama> oh ok thanks sarnold that is probably why
[00:09] <sarnold> yeah
[00:10] <JoeLlama> oh it's 32 bit :P
[00:10] <JoeLlama> ok ok (:
[00:10] <JoeLlama> I was thinking atom n450
[00:10] <JoeLlama> bbl thanks
[00:11] <JoeLlama> lubuntu or xubuntu?
[00:11] <JoeLlama> which should I use for this little CPU and small drive with little memory?
[00:12] <sarnold> I've gotten the impression that both are pretty good for low-resource systems
[00:12] <Jlc4bigred> Hey everyone I am fairly new to Ubuntu and I was wondering if someone could assist with some issues i'm trying to get figured out.
[00:14] <oerheks> hi Jlc, ask wait and see :-)
[00:15] <Jlc4bigred> I am in the process of moving my Plex media server over to Ubuntu from Windows. I have two separate hard drives with movies/tv shows and due to being NTFS it is assigned to root. How can I go about changing ownership from root to me so i can edit the file names and move everything around from the two drives. I have tried chown with no avail.
[00:16] <oerheks> NTFS is not posix, so there is no permission change needed
[00:17] <bprompt> Jlc4bigred:  pretty much as oerheks said, you have to do "nothing"
[00:17] <oerheks> mount the ntfs properly , not sure plex has mediafiles under a special group
[00:18] <oerheks> oh, a clue: https://support.plex.tv/articles/200288606-mounting-ntfs-drives-on-linux/
[00:18] <Jlc4bigred> how do i go about mounting it properly? Ubuntu auto mounted both of the drives. Sorry for all the noobish questions. I'm just wanting to gain the ability to move files around and rename as need be
[00:20] <oerheks> To make sure that Plex can read the files on your NTFS drvie simply run: sudo chown -R plex:plex /media/<ntfsdisk>
[00:21] <oerheks> so, make plex an user of that disk, not changing the disk at all.
[00:23] <Jlc4bigred> I have done that but it states that its chaging it to read only file system
[00:23] <oerheks> maybe the free version is limited..
[00:23] <oerheks> plex is payware
[00:23] <Jlc4bigred> but i'm wanting to be able to rename files accordingly and move files
[00:24] <Jlc4bigred> Never had issues on windows but just got tired of windows updates taking down my server constantly
[00:29] <puff`> So I shrank windows partition using windows Disk Manager, now I'm installing ubuntu, what do you think aboiut the "Install third party software for graphics and Wi-Fi hardware and additional media formats"?
[00:29] <puff`> Also, it says to do that I need to configure Secure Boot.
[00:30] <sarnold> 3rd party things is handy if you've got nvidia or a funky wifi chipset that's not well supported by the usual kernel
[00:30] <puff`> sarnold: This is just the on-board intel graphics.
[00:30] <sarnold> I don't know if it's needed for the amdgpu package and firmware or not
[00:30] <sarnold> puff`: you can probably skip it then
[00:30] <puff`> I guess it's not that hard to add it later?
[00:32] <sarnold> yeah I think that's just run ubuntu-drivers if you want it
[00:33] <ptah8> how do i auto connect without manually /msg NickServ identify ?
[00:34] <sarnold> ptah8: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp
[00:34] <oerheks> depends on the client, webchat is not possible
[00:35] <ptah8> oerheks, xchat
[00:36] <oerheks> xchat is dead, no longer supported / developed.
[00:36] <ptah8> oerheks, i auto connect to freenode, but
[00:37] <ptah8> ok
[00:37] <oerheks> it should be removed from universe repo
[00:38] <ptah8> oerheks, what about irssi?
[00:38] <dax> if you want graphical, use hexchat, it's like xchat but maintained
[00:38] <oerheks> see the url from sarnold, all valid clients are mentioned
[00:38] <dax> if you want command-line, use weechat or irssi
[00:39] <dax> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl is probably a better link
[00:39] <ptah8> bitchx
[00:39] <dax> bitchx is crap
[00:39] <ptah8> lol
[00:39] <ptah8> 1997
[00:40] <Battle> hello all, im trying to work out what is causing my system to shutdown unexpectedly with very little indication as to what. ive had my providers replace the whole machine except for the HDDs and still my system unexpectedly is shutting down. it runs fine for anywhere between 1-10hours and then shuts off. logs dont really show much... but I did find this duringthe boot up text. Does
 it mean anything? https://pastebin.com/iBwP0eSd
[00:42] <Battle> those bits about *BAD*gran_size
[01:27] <catphish> i'm trying to find the source for my kernel (linux-image-4.15.0-74-generic), is there an easy way i can download it?
[01:27] <oerheks> on launchpad?
[01:28] <catphish> well anywhere really? is it easier to do it on an ubuntu host with apt-get source?
[01:28] <sarnold> I believe that should do it, yes
[01:29] <catphish> i'll try that
[01:29] <catphish> i didn't have the source repos enabled on this host but i can add them
[01:30] <sarnold> try apt-get source linux ; on my focal system I had to do apt-get source apt-get source linux-5.4
[01:31] <sarnold> sigh I forgot what I had in my select buffer
[01:32] <catphish> trying to debug a crash :( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QYyDpHjG5b/
[01:33] <leftyfb> catphish: what version of ubuntu?
[01:34] <catphish> 18.04.3 LTS (server) 4.15.0-74-generic
[01:35] <leftyfb> catphish: you are behind on updates
[01:35] <leftyfb> catphish: both your kernel and version of ubuntu are behind
[01:35] <leftyfb> catphish: that said, if you install the hwe kernel, you'll get 5.3
[01:38] <catphish> so i am, unfortunately this kernel is tainted with proprietary modules from a vendor and i'm not allowed to update it, this is not a condition i'm accustomed to, but it's the case, regardless my ideal conclusion here would be that the bug is already fixed and tell my customer to tell their vendor to upgrade the kernel (and their module)
[01:38] <cgi> I have a 4k screen and am unable to get a decent rendering of apps in ubuntu 18.04 LTS - any recommendations to fix things? I've a nvidia graphics card.
[01:38] <leftyfb> catphish: good luck
[01:38] <cgi> Fonts overlap in applications like editors
[01:38] <catphish> thanks :)
[01:39] <catphish> not all applications work nicely in hidpi in my experience, i run my 4k screen at 1080 :(
[01:39] <leftyfb> catphish: also, since you're using a kernel not provided by ubuntu, you're not going to get the source for it from the ubuntu repos
[01:39] <catphish> leftyfb: afaik this kernel is provided by ubuntu
[01:39] <catphish> (apart from the proprietary module)
[01:39] <sarnold> this does look like an ubuntu kernel, but I can't recall seeing this stack trace before
[01:40] <catphish> the stack trace is similar to this one: https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc/?id=7023575
[01:40] <leftyfb> catphish: does the module not work with any other kernel? Did you try?
[01:40] <catphish> leftyfb: i'm not in the habit of trying to force load kernel modules into large production systems on a whim :)
[01:41] <catphish> it's okay, if i can confirm that the bug is fixed, i can get it upgraded i'm sure
[01:42] <catphish> i'm more accustomed to just trying new kernels and hoping problems are fixed, but in this environment i don't have the luxury
[01:43] <catphish> so i'm like to really undertand the bug first
[01:43] <catphish> *i'd
[01:44] <sarnold> catphish: hmm in that case this may be more usefu lto you https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git/log/
[01:44] <catphish> that is useful, thanks
[01:45] <sarnold> a 2017 (!) changeset looks related 5ccba44ba118a5000cccc50076b0344632459779
[01:45] <cgi> catphish, hopefully someone here has figured out a good setting for 4k
[01:45] <cgi> running a 4k monitor at 1080p doesnt sound like a good idea
[01:47] <catphish> leftyfb: sarnold: i was looking out for this patch in particular that suse mentioned https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/55afee27-4143-e08c-b254-0d68a05d5ee6@arm.com/
[01:47] <cgi> is there a lightweight x-manager that does fonts well on a 4k monitor that i can install on 18.04lts?
[01:48] <catphish> but that patch doesn't seem to fit with this kernel at all, so there must have been more major changes
[01:49] <catphish> if those changes were made since this patch, the problem is likely resolved coincidentally
[02:04] <catphish> found it, the division is absent from master
[02:04] <catphish> should be trivial to see when it was rewritten / fixed
[02:08] <catphish> github doesn't enjoy rendering a blame of a 10,000 line kernel source file :)
[02:08] <leftyfb> !discuss | catphish
[02:08] <sarnold> catphish: heh, no, it doesn't like that at all :)
[03:10] <davido_> I raised this question a few weeks ago but kind of ran out of ideas at the time. Unable to proceed from 18.04.4 LTS to "normal" releases: https://pastebin.com/YSrsCrTJ
[03:11] <sarnold> what's the output of curl https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release
[03:11] <davido_> Yeah, I should have pasted that too. Just a sec...
[03:11] <sarnold> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gxr9pNCpvB/ is what I get
[03:13] <davido_> https://pastebin.com/Qd4J8Xwx
[03:13] <davido_> Hm, I should be using paste.ubuntu.com but aside from that it's the same.
[03:15] <sarnold> okay I'm pretty confused
[03:15] <davido_> I feel like perhaps it's actually not "me". If there were someone else trying to upgrade from 18.04 to 19.10, they might get the same behavior.  I'd be happy to be wrong about that too. :)
[03:18] <davido_> Hopefully 20.04 becomes a reasonable resolution to the issue.
[03:18] <leftyfb> davido_: LTS -> LTS is the better upgrade. Wait till MAy
[03:19] <lotuspsychje> davido_: are you trying to do weird things again
[03:19] <leftyfb> May*
[03:19] <sarnold> (20.04 will probably not be offered as an upgrade path until later in the year)
[03:19] <leftyfb> sarnold: oh really? That long huh?
[03:20] <davido_> It doesn't seem like LTS to Normal is that weird of a thing to do, but sure.
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> around august?
[03:20] <leftyfb> davido_: it's not an easy task to go from LTS -> skip EOL -> non-LTS
[03:21] <davido_> Honestly the motivation I had when I was asking about this a few weeks ago I worked around by compiling some things from source that I needed. So the urgency is gone.
[03:21] <sarnold> I can't recall when we flip the switch, but I have a vague memory that it might be around the time we release 20.04.1
[03:21] <leftyfb> davido_: I would highly suggest just sticking with LTS's
[03:24] <davido_> I understand. I can live with that. I may switch to normal once I get the next LTS release though. All my other systems have been using normal, and I've been living dangerously like that for eleven years.
[03:24] <davido_> Anyway, thanks. Hope everyone has a good evening.
[03:25] <lotuspsychje> davido_: its the users choice to always install latest
[03:26] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: he's trying :) https://pastebin.com/YSrsCrTJ
[03:26] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: and where things get confusing is that curl can grab that file no trouble https://pastebin.com/Qd4J8Xwx
[03:26] <davido_> Right. I just think that probably the upgrade path isn't working for the LTS release to the current 'latest'
[03:26] <lotuspsychje> davido_: you are trying things you shouldnt
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> davido_: if you wanted to jump from 18.04, you had to jump to 18.10 before eol
[03:27] <sarnold> I'd expect it to work though, and if it doesn't, then I'd expect a way better error message
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> davido_: now you are stuck to 18.04 LTS
[03:28] <sarnold> aww.
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> davido_: unless you wanna jump early to 20.04 -d lol
[03:28] <davido_> Then the message should not be "Failed to connect to https://...", it should be your upgrade path isn't supported.
[03:29] <leftyfb> there's the manual way
[03:29] <leftyfb> just updating the sources.list
[03:30] <sarnold> probably not a great idea, I'd rather *know* why this happens before going down that path
[03:30] <davido_> I respect that. Just today I was telling someone on a totally unrelated topic, "Before we just fix this, let's find out how it got that way in the first place."
[03:31] <sarnold> heh, did you? :)
[03:33] <davido_> We did! And it's good thing too, because it would have just gotten clobbered again.
[03:34] <sarnold> davido_: oh very nice :)
[03:34] <storm-shadow> Has anyone experienced intermittent wifi connectivity issues using Ubuntu 18.03 with VMWare Workstation 15.5 Pro?
[03:34] <storm-shadow> 18.04*
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> storm-shadow: best to ask your specific question about it to the channel
[03:35] <davido_> anyway, good night everyone.
[03:39] <storm-shadow> What steps are recommended to prevent wifi connectivity issues using Ubuntu 18.04 on VMWare workstation 15.5 Pro?
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> storm-shadow: volunteers need more details about your system and issue first
[03:41] <lotuspsychje> storm-shadow: for example: kernel version, wifi chipset, ubuntu release, system up to date..
[03:43] <storm-shadow> I'm using Ubuntu V18.04.4, Kernel 5.3.0.  The host OS is Windows 10 Professional.
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> storm-shadow: ok...and your wifi does what exactly on wich Os?
[03:46] <sarnold> I finally got an lxd 18.04 instance up and do-release-upgrade on it appeared to work exactly as it should..
[03:46] <sarnold> storm-shadow: so, are you configuring PCI passthrough to allow the ubuntu guest to use it?
[03:49] <storm-shadow> The wi-fi on the host OS (Windows 10 Professional), appears to work fine.  I can navigate to various websites without delay using multiple broswers (IE, Chrome, Firefox).  The guest VM (Ubuntu 18.04) appears to intermittently lose connection.  I sometimes have failures / delays downloading new software packages or navigating to websites using Firefox.  I occassionally have to "Turn Off' the "Wire Connect" and then reconnnect in
[03:49] <storm-shadow> order to jump start the internet connection.
[03:51] <storm-shadow> The Ubuntu VM is configured for bridged network connectivity.  I'm not sure how to enable PCI pass through connectivity.  All other VMs that reside on the host (mainly Windows VMs) have no issues with connectivity.
[03:54] <the1banana> Hello, is this a general ubuntu discussion chatroom?
[03:54] <the1banana> Ah, yes it is. Sorry, I'm somewhat new to this.
[03:54] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | the1banana
[03:55] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: this channel here is for ubuntu related questions
[03:55] <the1banana> Basically, I'm having some trouble with my ubuntu install. I've recently replaced Windows 10 with Unbuntu, and I've successfully wiped that and installed Ubuntu in in its place.
[03:55] <the1banana> However, I have one last problem.
[03:56] <the1banana> Seems like the default Open Source Radeon drivers don't work with my video card (Tahiti LE [Radeon HD 7870 XT]). This is demonstrated by an insanely low resolution, and the computer booting to an unresponsive black screen on startup (only way to get past this is to manually add 'nomodeset').
[03:57] <the1banana> How do I resolve this problem? What additional information would help diagnose the actual problem?
[03:59] <sarnold> usually it's enough to have linux-firmware installed so the firmware files can be loaded when amdgpu module is loaded
[04:01] <the1banana> Ah, sorry if this is a stupid question, but should I have installed the linux-firmware package? Is that all I need?
[04:01] <sarnold> you could try running ubuntu-drivers to see if there's missing amdgpu support or similar..
[04:01] <sarnold> the1banana: perhaps
[04:01] <the1banana> Ah. I'll look.
[04:01] <sarnold> the1banana: try apt install linux-firmware and see what happens..
[04:01] <the1banana> Seems like that's already in place.
[04:01] <the1banana> Before we go on, I want to apologize in advance for any eye-rolling, "duh" questions I might ask.
[04:02] <the1banana> I acknowledge that I'm very much an extreme beginner.
[04:02] <the1banana> Anyhoo, I'm going to run ubuntu-drivers and take a look there.
[04:02] <the1banana> devices or list?
[04:03] <sarnold> I think devices is the better one
[04:03] <the1banana> Huh.
[04:03] <the1banana> It hung for a few seconds, then spit out nothing.
[04:05] <sarnold> ooooookay
[04:05] <the1banana> Does that mean I literally don't have anything installed pertinent to my hardware right now?
[04:05] <sarnold> I don't know if that mean's it's confused or if it thinks everything is fine ;)
[04:05] <the1banana> I was under the impression that the TAHITI chipset was supported by Radeon.
[04:05] <the1banana> O...oh.
[04:05] <the1banana> Oh, there's another command I ran that indicated something was wrong.
[04:05] <the1banana> Let me scrounge up the command and the output.
[04:05] <sarnold> yeah, the gentoo wiki page I found gave me the same impression..
[04:06] <sarnold> 2012 feels like prime place for a gpu vendor to stop caring though
[04:06] <the1banana> Oh my.
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: does your dmesg show problems about your driver module?
[04:06] <sarnold> yeah, they always have something shinier and faster to sell..heh
[04:06] <the1banana> Was about to get to that, actually.
[04:07] <the1banana> dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[04:07] <the1banana> [    2.467311] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[04:07] <the1banana> [    2.467346] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
[04:07] <the1banana> [    2.770233] [drm:amdgpu_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting.
[04:07] <the1banana> I'm uh, concerned I might have irreversibly rendered my video card useless by installing ubuntu fresh onto Windows.
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: does your bios have graphics settings you can swap?
[04:08] <sarnold> hmm is it normal to try both radeon and amdgpu modules? I had the impression amdgpu was way nicer replacement
[04:09] <the1banana> Again, apologies for this, @lotuspsychje, but what does that exactly mean? Should I look into the BIOS and see what options I have for my video card specifically?
[04:09] <the1banana> I'm not sure, sarnold.
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: yeah some cards can switch to discrete graphics in bios
[04:09] <the1banana> For reference, my hard drive is ASRock Z77 Extreme4.
[04:10] <the1banana> This was a mid-high tier build back in 2012 that has rocked on for quite some time now.
[04:10] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu will choose the right module for your card, depending on the model it will choose radeon or amdgpu
[04:10] <the1banana> I bet it's downright primitive now. XD
[04:10] <the1banana> Hmm.
[04:10] <the1banana> Should I check if I have amdgpu?
[04:10] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Driver available ? what shows ' dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-video-radeon ' ?
[04:11] <the1banana> ii  xserver-xorg-video-radeon-hwe-18.04        1:19.0.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1                        amd64        X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI Radeon display driver
[04:11] <the1banana> This is the output
[04:12] <sarnold> and xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu ?
[04:13] <the1banana> ii  xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-18.04        19.0.1-1ubuntu1~18.04.1                          amd64        X.Org X server -- AMDGPU display driver
[04:13] <the1banana> Seems like I have both.
[04:14] <sarnold> alright, how about kernel modules; lsmod | grep amdgpu   lsmod | grep radeon
[04:14] <sarnold> I'm guessing both are loaded
[04:14] <sarnold> (I don't know if this actually matters much)
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> that doesnt make sense
[04:15] <lotuspsychje> unless the system uses 2 cards :p
[04:15] <the1banana> Both lsmod commands spit out nothing.
[04:15] <sarnold> lotuspsychje: really? I've got a bunch of the xorg drivers installed on my machine
[04:15] <sarnold> the1banana: alright, try modprobe amdgpu
[04:15] <sarnold> then check dmesg to see if there's new lines near the end..
[04:16] <the1banana> should i sudo?
[04:16] <the1banana> its not letting me do it
[04:16] <the1banana> Operation not permitted
[04:16] <the1banana> Also, I want to thank you in advance for your patience with this problem and me.
[04:16] <the1banana> I sincerely appreciate it.
[04:17] <sarnold> the1banana: ah yes, sorry
[04:18] <the1banana> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'amdgpu': Invalid argument
[04:20] <sarnold> modinfo amdgpu dumps a novella
[04:20] <the1banana> should i run that instead?
[04:20] <sarnold> I sure hope none of those are mandatory :/
[04:20] <sarnold> does dmesg have more details?
[04:21] <the1banana> dmesg | egrep 'drm|radeon'
[04:21] <the1banana> [    2.467311] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[04:21] <the1banana> [    2.467346] [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
[04:21] <the1banana> [    2.770233] [drm:amdgpu_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting.
[04:21] <the1banana> [ 3789.471974] [drm:amdgpu_init [amdgpu]] *ERROR* VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting.
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> use a pastebin please the1banana
[04:21] <the1banana> Oh, ok.
[04:21] <sarnold> heh, drone's a bit slow on the draw
[04:22] <sarnold> how about lsmod | grep vga ? I wonder if that's a module you could simply *not* load? heh
[04:22] <the1banana> Spits out nothing.
[04:22] <Bashing-om> the1banana: sarnold "VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting." // Is nomodeset set ? show ' cat /proc/cmdline ' .
[04:23] <the1banana> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.3.0-40-generic root=UUID=4b70b64f-75e8-45ae-ab5f-d3bd06505b50 ro quiet splash nomodeset vt.handoff=1
[04:23] <the1banana> If it gets much longer than that, use a pastebin, right?
[04:23] <the1banana> I'll keep that in mind.
[04:23] <sarnold> yeah, two lines is usually fine, but more than that it's easier on all to pastebin
[04:24] <sarnold> the1banana: so, I've got to run
[04:24] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: pastebin your whole dmesg please; and also a sudo lshw -C video
[04:24] <sarnold> the1banana: Bashing-om is making me think it's worth reomving that 'nomodeset' from the command line, rebooting, and seeing what dmesg changed
[04:25] <sarnold> the1banana: hopefully someone else around here knows these things better than I do :) good luck, have fun
[04:25] <the1banana> aight, running dmesg
[04:25] <sarnold> btw the pastebinit tool is fantastic at dealing with pastes
[04:25] <sarnold> you'd do dmesg | pastebinit and it'll return you the url to paste in here :)
[04:25] <Bashing-om> the1banana: that boot parameter "nomdeset" defeats Kernel Mode Setting. Can not load a driver . Are you setting nomodeset in /etc/default/grub ?
[04:26] <the1banana> https://pastebin.com/nTkmwAi8
[04:27] <the1banana> Uh, I have many people whispering me (and I just realized it), should I whistle back to each thing or post my replies here for mutual reference?
[04:27] <the1banana> And Bashing, I figured something like that and did set nomodeset. It was necessary to even be able to boot.
[04:27] <Bashing-om> !who | the1banana
[04:28] <Bashing-om> !tab | the1banana
[04:28] <the1banana> Bashing: However, setting it in /etc/default/grub and letting it start up results in a black screen.
[04:28] <the1banana> \w ubottu thanks! let me know if i break any other etiquette rules.
[04:28] <the1banana> oh flip
[04:28] <Bashing-om> the1`irc is a process of learning too :P
[04:30] <the1banana> What next? Should I restart my computer and check out the options in BIOS?
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: can i see sudo lshw -C video too plz?
[04:30] <Bashing-om> the1banana: OK - made a backup of the grub config file ? we do need to remove the "nomodeset" boot parameter - then remember to run ' sudo update-grub ' then reboot and see what happens, take it from there.
[04:32] <the1banana> @lotuspsychje, https://pastebin.com/UKWS8weG
[04:32] <the1banana> @bashing, alright, let me examine /etc/default/grub
[04:32] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: ok, now it makes sense, your card is a hybrid with intel/amd
[04:33] <the1banana> Are you referring to my graphics card? It's ATI/AMD.
[04:33] <the1banana> @lotuspsychje,
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: that means you can choose between your intel graphics or amd graphics
[04:33] <lotuspsychje> the1banana: they show both unclaimed that means both drivers have not been loaded right now
[04:34] <the1banana> @lotuspsychje, Which, in this case, I would prefer amd. How do I activate it?
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> try the advice from Bashing-om first
[04:34] <the1banana> @Bashing-om, removed nomodeset from the grub settings.
[04:34] <the1banana> @Bashing-om, now I run sudo update-grub, right?
[04:38] <the1banana> Alright, I'll run sudo update-grub and reboot.
[04:38] <the1banana> I'll be leaving while the computer reboots. Be back soon!
[04:41] <the1banana> Bashing-om, as usual, rebooting and waiting results in the purple ubuntu screen showing, with the five white dots, before hanging at a black screen.
[04:44] <the1banana> Sorry, what should I try next?
[04:46] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Yukkiepoo :( - when booting fo you get to grub's boot sceen ( hold shift key as soon as bios screen clears - EFI systen spam the escape key) . lets find something on the system to work with.
[04:46] <the1banana> I'm in grub.
[04:48] <the1banana> Options include "Ubuntu, Advance Options, some EFI directories and System setup".
[04:48] <ironpillow> Is there a breaking change between kernel 5.3.0 and 5.3.11? thanks!
[04:49] <Bashing-om> the1banana: 'e' key for edit mode -> boot screen - in the line starting with linux remove quiet splash and insert systemd.unit=multi-user.target -  ctl+x to continue the boot process to a TTY. can you log into the system here ?
[04:50] <the1banana> Did it. Let's see if this boots.
[04:51] <the1banana> Yup, im in a console sort of thing!
[04:51] <the1banana> tty1
[04:51] <Bashing-om> the1banana: This is one time boot - will not persist a reboot .
[04:52] <the1banana> What should I do here?
[04:52] <Bashing-om> In that terminal run ' /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' . lets see what the log file has to say.
[04:53] <the1banana> Huh. Permission denied. Should I sudo?
[04:53] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Ouch : ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[04:54] <the1banana> Oh, oh that's really cool. I didn't know you could write logs to external paste recepticles.
[04:54] <the1banana> https://termbin.com/rl8y
[04:54] <Bashing-om> the1banana: reading ,
[04:55] <the1banana> Some of this looks suspect. Kernels not loaded and whatnot.
[04:55] <Bashing-om> the1banana: So far so good " Is radeon loaded? yes" :)
[04:57] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Yuk - "Unsupported discrete card vendor: 8086"  I do not know what to make of this . Humm .
[04:59] <Bashing-om> the1banana: What desktop environment do you have ? we try and start the GUI from this terminal.
[05:00] <the1banana> Desktop environment?
[05:00] <the1banana> I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to.
[05:00] <the1banana> Oh, my Ubuntu version?
[05:00] <the1banana> That's 18.04.4 LTS
[05:01] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Well, for example ubuntu has gnome, xubuntu has xfce , is this install vanilla ubuntu ?
[05:02] <the1banana> Vanilla Ubuntu, I think. I fished it from the Ubuntu download page.
[05:02] <the1banana> There's a GNU/Linux 5.3.0-40-generic x86_64 attached to this OS version name.
[05:03] <Bashing-om> the1banana: OK - lets try and start the GUI see what happens: ' .
[05:03] <the1banana> uh
[05:04] <the1banana> how do i do that, haha?
[05:04] <Bashing-om> the1banana: ' sudo systemctl start gdm3 '.
[05:04] <the1banana> GUI is starting.
[05:05] <the1banana> Getting the same thing.
[05:05] <the1banana> Black screen, no response.
[05:05] <the1banana> This doesn't go away unless I shove in the "nomodeset" thing in grub.
[05:06] <Bashing-om> the1banana: And as above - nomoeset is not a long term solution. we need to find where the GUI fails . Ouch.
[05:07] <Bashing-om> !sysrq | the1banana
[05:07] <ironpillow> Hi all, how to install kernel 5.3.11 on ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS? thanks for the advice!
[05:08] <Bashing-om> !info linux-generic-hwe-18.04  bionic
[05:08] <the1banana> That doesn't seem to actually work.
[05:08] <the1banana> Should I just cold boot?
[05:09] <Bashing-om> the1banana: try then as R S E I R B sequence . I much prefer a clean reboot!
[05:11] <the1banana> that didn't do anything either
[05:11] <Bashing-om> the1banana: lower case - r s e i  b .
[05:11] <Bashing-om> r s e i r b **
[05:11] <the1banana> Yeah. Should I be holding down the alt and print screen key when i do that?
[05:11] <crimson_king> wouldn't it be R E I S U B ? Or doesn't matter?
[05:12] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Yup . tedious but can be done :P
[05:12] <the1banana> i did that
[05:12] <the1banana> is it a sequence or should i hold down ALL the keys
[05:12] <Bashing-om> crimson_king: that too will work , I just learned the other in my beginnings :)
[05:13] <crimson_king> sequence
[05:13] <crimson_king> while holding CTRL + ALT
[05:13] <crimson_king> and PRINT
[05:13] <the1banana> nothing doing
[05:14] <Bashing-om> the1banana: A sequces - while holding down alt+prt scrn - slowing in sequence r s e i r b .
[05:14] <the1banana> oh is the period necessary?
[05:14] <the1banana> gotcha
[05:15] <Bashing-om> the1banana: No, the period is only punctuation.
[05:15] <the1banana> huh, either way both do not respond
[05:17] <Bashing-om> the1banana: That is something I think we should fix. but how to cleanly reboot ? does key combo ctk+alt+delete work ?
[05:18] <the1banana> doesn't work either
[05:19] <the1banana> Sorry, I bet this seems like a train wrekc.
[05:21] <Bashing-om> the1banana: let's do the harmful hard way then - as I know of no other ways to re-boot. get back to the terminal from grub, See again what we can do. Be aware I am running short on time to remain here also.
[05:21] <the1banana> oh dear
[05:22] <the1banana> i'm in grub
[05:22] <Bashing-om> the1banana: This is AMD it should "
[05:22] <the1banana> what did i need to put in again?
[05:22] <Bashing-om> just work" !
[05:22] <the1banana> what do i replace quiet splash with again?
[05:23] <Bashing-om> the1banana: ' sudo systemctl start gdm3 '.
[05:23] <Bashing-om> no ! the1banana
[05:23] <the1banana> no?
[05:24] <the1banana> still getting the same black screen
[05:24] <the1banana> boots only work if i put in the nomodeset option
[05:24] <Bashing-om> the1banana: To start the terminl from grub ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target ' .
[05:24] <the1banana> oh
[05:25] <the1banana> haha
[05:26] <the1banana> Terminal is loading.
[05:26] <the1banana> we're in
[05:27] <the1banana> what do i run here
[05:30] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Lets see what the command line that the kernel sees ' cat /proc/cmdline | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[05:31] <the1banana> termbin.com/075h
[05:35] <the1banana> any conclusions you can draw from that?
[05:36] <Bashing-om> the1banana: checking :)
[05:37] <Bashing-om> !info linux-generic-hwe-18.04 bionic
[05:39] <Bashing-om> the1banana: verify the package manager is in a happy state run ' sudo dpkg -C ' we want that you promply return to terminal with no output,
[05:39] <the1banana> no output
[05:42] <Bashing-om> the1banana: As you have a functioal terminal we know the kernel is good - so this is a GUI issue. Pesky thing. How about we make a new user and see if you can log into that new account ?
[05:43] <the1banana> should i do that with a nomodeset entry after a cold boot? how do you want me to make this user?
[05:44] <Bashing-om> the1banana: No we can make that new account up here . IF you are so inclined.
[05:44] <the1banana> i don't actually know the commands
[05:44] <the1banana> sudo adduser?
[05:45] <Bashing-om> the1banana: ' sudo adduser --gecos '' testuser; sudo  adduser testuser sudo ' where the bew account is testuser.
[05:45] <Bashing-om> new*
[05:46] <the1banana> made one
[05:47] <the1banana> how do i switch to this user?
[05:48] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Let's see what happens - reboot: ' systemctl reboot ' . At the login can you activate newuser ?
[05:49] <the1banana> should i enter terminal or the os?
[05:49] <Bashing-om> the1banana: The OS - see if the GUI starts :)
[05:49] <the1banana> with or without a noresetmod?
[05:50] <the1banana> i mean a no
[05:50] <the1banana> i can't remember what it was called
[05:50] <the1banana> right! nomodeset
[05:51] <the1banana> should i attempt boot with nomodeset or without nomodeset
[05:55] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Yes - without !
[05:55] <the1banana> Attempting to boot.
[05:55] <the1banana> ubuntu screen with 5 white dots appears, lets see if we get the black screen again
[05:55] <the1banana> ubuntu screen again after the black screen flickers
[05:56] <the1banana> and it seems like we're back to another black screen
[05:56] <Bashing-om> the1banana: Sorry :( I am out of time - perhaps lotus|i7 can pick this up ?
[05:57] <the1banana> lotuspsychje_ if you have any ideas, they're very welcome
[05:57] <the1banana> Bashing-om ran out of time
[05:57] <the1banana> Thank you for your efforts, Bashing-om!
[05:57] <lotuspsychje_> the1banana: did you find graphics bios settings yet?
[05:57] <the1banana> Let's start there.
[05:57] <the1banana> Restarting my computer now.
[05:58] <the1banana> Where in my bios should I look?
[05:58] <the1banana> What sort of "graphics settings" options should I examine?
[05:59] <the1banana> For reference: this is the ASROCK UEFI SETUP UTILITY.
[06:00] <lotuspsychje_> not sure out of my head, you could try ##hardware for that
[06:01] <the1banana> Ah, I found something.
[06:01] <the1banana> There's a Primary Graphics Adapter setting for my "North Bridge Configuration"
[06:02] <the1banana> Options are Onboard, PCI Express (current), and PCI.
[06:03] <the1banana> Which seems more pertinent? Or should I scrounge for other options?
[06:04] <lotuspsychje_> the1banana: try a few things out and boot to see yourself
[06:05] <the1banana> We have *something*, changing to Onboard results in a dead purple screen with the word ubuntu on the bottom. My right monitor is showing me some crazy glitchy colors that are really hurting my eyes, and my primary monitor has lost signal.
[06:06] <the1banana> Regardless, my computer is unresponsive at this point.
[06:06] <the1banana> I'll switch to PCI after I cold boot out.
[06:08] <the1banana> PCI behaves identically to PCI Express. Two Ubuntu pages, and then darkness and unresponsiveness.
[06:08] <the1banana> Seems like this setting's a dud. Let me see what other options exist.
[06:10] <JoeLlama> Dell Inspiron 910 Lubuntu just installed.  No internet.  How do you make it work please?
[06:12] <JoeLlama> doesn't see wireless networks
[06:15] <JoeLlama> maybe I should have installed xubuntu?
[06:15] <JoeLlama> seems to work better than lubuntu maybe
[06:15] <JoeLlama> frustrated.... again
[06:16] <the1banana> alright feeling pretty dejected, seems like that was the only graphics "setting" available (perused all the options)
[06:16] <the1banana> not even switching to secure boot - OFF resolved the issue
[06:20] <the1banana> do you have any other ideas or should i try back tomorrow? it's getting a bit late here.
[06:26] <the1banana> Well, I guess that's it.
[06:26] <the1banana> I don't want to seem needy, but should I try back tomorrow?
[06:27] <the1banana> My computer isn't in a usable state, so things are not great.
[06:33] <the1banana> Signing out for today. Thanks for the effort, lotuspsychje_.
[07:53] <t3rminal> Good morning all
[07:53] <t3rminal> I have a pyton script that takes command line arguments
[07:54] <t3rminal> if i run it from inside the directory with './script.py' start or 'python3 script.py start' it works fine
[07:55] <t3rminal> if i try to run it from outside its directory though it fails and asks me to give a command line argument
[08:02] <vlt> t3rminal: Can you give an example for "running from outside its directory"? What command did you actually use?
[08:04] <t3rminal> how Hi vlt. I mean if I use the full path 'python3 /home/user/scripts/script.py start'
[08:04] <vlt> t3rminal: Ok, and can you show the traceback you get?
[08:05] <t3rminal> vlt, what do you mean by traceback?
[08:06] <vlt> t3rminal: The thing Python prints when an exception occurs.
[08:07] <vlt> t3rminal: What output do you get after running the command?
[08:08] <t3rminal> It gives me the help page for the script just like i would get if i ran the script from its directory without a command line argument like start or stop
[08:09] <vlt> t3rminal: Then paste the script, please. (https://dpaste.org)
[08:13] <t3rminal> vlt, http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zHxG22wH7J/
[08:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> Hey ! I installed ubuntu 19.10 on a laptop which has an nvdia GPU (don't remember which. It's a bit old laptop)
[08:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> I did all the upgrades and then did a "ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" and sudo apt Install nvdia-prime.
[08:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> Then I proceeded to select Integrated graphics as default using the nvidia settings.
[08:24] <The_LoudSpeaker>  
[08:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> After reboot, I am getting to a blank screen with a blinking cursor at the top.
[08:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> I tried setting nomodeset. Still same issue. Any suggestions?
[08:25] <t3rminal> Sorry vlm, I disconnected
[08:26] <The_LoudSpeaker> I had Installed ubuntu as with lvm option and autologin enabled.
[08:30] <t3rminal> vlt, sorry i disconnected. Did you get the pastebin?
[08:39] <alycidyne> Hello, I have put 'Option "Tapping" "on"' and associated stuff in my X server's configuration, but it only works fully on the login screen. I have to manually enable tapping once logged in with xinput. Is there anything I may have missed?
[08:39] <alycidyne> (Ubuntu 19.10 Eoan Ermine)
[08:40] <alycidyne> (well, Lubuntu, since the display manager is SDDM)
[08:41] <alycidyne> Oddly enough, two-finger scrolling works when logged in
[08:42] <alycidyne> s/enable/re-enable/
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> alycidyne: you could try installing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics, see if that helps
[08:45] <alycidyne> lotuspsychje: it's an Elantech touchpad :-/
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> alycidyne: can you pastebin your dmesg plz?
[08:45] <CamelRiderZ> hey
[08:53] <alycidyne> lotuspsychje: how do I upload an entire file to paste.ubuntu.com?
[08:57] <EriC^^> alycidyne: you can do "cat /file | nc termbin.com 9999"
[08:58] <alycidyne> https://termbin.com/2r5l
[09:12] <lotuspsychje> alycidyne: your kernel version doesnt match the current one for 19.10
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> alycidyne: system up to date?
[09:14] <alycidyne> lotuspsychje: Yes. I was on a custom kernel before this happened (5.3.7). This happened after libinput and then the kernel was updated
[09:14] <lotuspsychje> alycidyne: we dont support custom kernels here, sorry, use the official !mainline ones
[09:15] <alycidyne> right
[09:16] <alycidyne> (though I doubt this is a kernel problem)
[09:41] <raj> "python" opens python2 for me, can I see where this alias is currently set?
[09:41] <raj> I have to explicitly do python3 for python3
[09:41] <raj> I don't see it in ~/.bashrc
[09:59] <fructose> raj: It's probably in your PATH
[10:05] <raj> echo $PATH? nope not in there
[10:09] <fructose> raj: http://www.linfo.org/path_env_var.html
[10:17] <raj> thanks fructose, I see it there https://paste.ofcode.org/34sfUD3s9EPRLD2i5k4qv4c
[10:17] <Iarla> Is there still somewhere to request applications to be packaged as snaps?
[10:18] <raj> but how does that make `python` call the 2.x version and `python3` call the 3.x version?
[10:29] <Iarla> Oh, I've found #snapcraft
[11:29] <JoeLlama> I think xubuntu is better than lubuntu.  What do you guys think?
[11:30] <JoeLlama> can't get lubuntu to see the wireless internet
[11:34] <jeremy31> JoeLlama: post URL from terminal for>  lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 net | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:35] <JoeLlama> hi jeremy31 :) do you like xubuntu or lubuntu better please?
[11:35] <jeremy31> JoeLlama: this is not the place for polls, just support
[11:38] <JoeLlama> but I need support? I'm very conflicted :(
[11:39] <JoeLlama> I don't think this is a poll
[11:39] <jeremy31> I have to go to work now
[11:39] <JoeLlama> This is support but okay I will assume you do not know
[11:39] <JoeLlama> thank you
[11:40] <JoeLlama> if anyone else knows please let me know but at this point I'm going with xubuntu I think it works better for me
[11:45] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:46] <SimonNL> JoeLlama, providing the requested information might get you a step closer
[11:47] <JoeLlama> so... xubuntu then?  okay! thank you :)
[11:47]  * JoeLlama happy now
[12:15] <catphish> does ubuntu 18.04 have a meta package for kernel 5.0?
[12:20] <tomreyn> catphish: no, it has meta packages for kernels which it currently supports only. one for the general availability kernel, another for !LTSE
[12:21] <tomreyn> (and another for LTSE/HWE-edge)
[12:22] <catphish> thanks
[13:44] <JoeMcNolan> I migrated a VM from ESXi to Hyper-V, and the network interface got renamed from ens160 to eth0. I thought the whole change to interface names was to produce stable and predictable interface names. Why does Hyper-V cause systemd to stop using the new naming scheme?
[13:45] <oerheks> interesting, sounds like hyperV overrules interface naming.
[13:46] <JoeMcNolan> I just double-checked and a fresh install of ubuntu on Hyper-V had eth0, so it's not even the migration process
[13:46] <oerheks> never heard of this, try ##windows  ?
[13:47] <oerheks> it is not logical that ubuntu suddenly changes.
[13:47] <oerheks> so it must be hyperv
[13:47] <ollehar> Is there a command the "opposite" of diff? I want to seewhat a number of files have in common.
[13:48] <ollehar> Nvm, it's here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/746458/how-to-show-lines-in-common-reverse-diff
[14:00] <JoeMcNolan> @oerheks, in case you're curious... It's sortof a known issue but there's no real fix and surprisingly little discussion that I can find https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8652#issuecomment-379438408
[14:02] <oerheks> hard renaming.. that is what i thought, thanks for the feedback
[14:07] <Bombo> i just loked at root fs, and i wondered if all the symlinks are 'normal' are they? bin -> usr/bin, lib -> usr/lib, lib32 -> usr/lib32, lib64 -> usr/lib64, libx32 -> usr/libx32, sbin -> usr/sbin
[14:07] <Bombo> (i don't have any symlinks on debian)
[14:21] <ducasse> Bombo: yes, this is normal  since a few releases back
[14:33] <Bombo> ducasse: ok thx
[14:35] <ducasse> Bombo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/Quantal/UsrMerge
[14:35] <Vysty> Running 18.04 and my Wi-Fi Adapter suddenly is unable to be found to connect to the internet. I'm working through a how-to video to fix it, but it requires me to connect to the internet using an ethernet cable with another computer. This other computer is a Windows machine, and I'm following the steps to share, but my "Wi=Fi Connections" has no dropdown menu in the Sharing tab to select "Ethernet Cable" or "Local Area Network". Can anyo
[14:36] <ducasse> Bombo: debian is heading the same way - https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge
[14:37] <leftyfb> Vysty: try reverting to the previous kernel at boot
[14:37] <Vysty> leftyfb: How do I do that and what is the likelihood of a crash if I do?
[14:37] <leftyfb> Vysty: very unlikely to have a crash since you were running it at one time
[14:37] <Vysty> Hmm... I'll do a backup first, anyway.
[14:38] <Vysty> How do I revert to a previous kernel?
[14:38] <leftyfb> Vysty: https://karlcode.owtelse.com/blog/2017/03/13/reverting-to-a-previous-kernel/
[14:38] <Vysty> Woo
[14:38] <leftyfb> Vysty: scroll down to "Boot from previous kernel"
[14:39] <Vysty> I can just use the command "remove the broken kernel" when I boot to a previous one to fix it?
[14:40] <leftyfb> Vysty: sure, though lets take this 1 step at a time. First see it booting to the previous kernel works. Then we see what we can do about it
[14:41] <Vysty> It's probably a better idea for me to table this and not try to fix it before I have to get to work. Are you in this chat often?
[14:42] <leftyfb> Vysty: $often, yes
[14:42] <Vysty> What's your time zone?
[14:42] <leftyfb> Vysty: I'm not the only volunteer here that can help you
[14:43] <Vysty> I know, but you seem pretty dialed into the specifics and it's nice to start where I left off with someone.
[14:44] <Vysty> I'll come back and find someone. I appreciate your help!
[14:45] <Bombo> ducasse: i see, thx again good to know
[16:34] <Kali_Yuga> contains a file system with errors, check forced, UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY I fixed it for now but is this a sign for a failing HDD or something? older machine... not what I'm using rn
[16:35] <Kali_Yuga> because there weren't any changes made on that system since last reboot...
[16:39] <leftyfb> Kali_Yuga: could be a bad hard drive or just could just be filesystem corruption from losing power without a proper shutdown
[16:40] <Kali_Yuga> leftyfb: yes idk how or who shut it down last time, but smart test is also not passing on this hdd either...
[16:40] <leftyfb> Kali_Yuga: is SMART is failing, get a new hard drive
[16:41] <Kali_Yuga> leftyfb: yeah i know...
[16:41] <Kali_Yuga> leftyfb: thx though
[16:42] <Kali_Yuga> leftyfb: If that shows up again it's probably the hdd
[16:42] <leftyfb> Kali_Yuga: is SMART is failing, get a new hard drive
[16:43] <Kali_Yuga> leftyfb: yes... it's going to run until it says bye bye
[16:43] <leftyfb> Kali_Yuga: ok, hope you have a backup
[16:43] <Kali_Yuga> leftyfb: maybe it's doing that right now because of that error I was expecting that eventually
[16:44] <Kali_Yuga> leftyfb: yes everything backed up thx for the warning
[18:02] <zetheroo1> connected via VPN to work (openvpn) and after some time (10 - 15min) I cannot reach any of the hostnames in the work LAN. After doing 'sudo service systemd-resolved restart' all hosts on the work LAN are reachable again ... for another 10-15 min. What could this be? It doesn't happen with Windows connecting to the same VPN.
[18:04] <leftyfb> zetheroo1: try setting a static local(work) DNS server for your VPN profile. I'm guessing network-manager is updating your dns server from your local dhcp
[18:06] <zetheroo1> leftyfb: atm the DNS setting in the VPN connection is set to Auto. Do you mean I should set Auto to off and then enter in the DNS field the DNS server of the work LAN?
[18:08] <leftyfb> correct
[18:08] <zetheroo1> ok, giving that a shot now ...
[18:16] <zetheroo> @leftyfb: with Auto off I cannot reach any of the hostnames in the work LAN at all
[18:17] <leftyfb> zetheroo: then you didn't set the nameserver ip correctly
[18:18] <zetheroo> wdym? set where?
[18:18] <leftyfb> zetheroo: what version of ubuntu?
[18:19] <zetheroo> 18.04
[18:19] <leftyfb> zetheroo: in network manager, in the ipv4 tab flip the switch so DNS automatic if off, then type in your works local nameserver ip address in the white box
[18:20] <zetheroo> this is what it looks like now (without any change) https://ibb.co/7Yj9PNG
[18:21] <leftyfb> ok, follow what I said above
[18:26] <zetheroo>  leftyfb: not sure what the last message you saw from me was
[18:26] <leftyfb> zetheroo: in network manager, in the ipv4 tab flip the switch so DNS automatic if off, then type in your works local nameserver ip address in the white box
[18:26] <zetheroo>  leftyfb: did you see the two screenshots I sent?
[18:27] <leftyfb> zetheroo: I saw 1 screenshot. Doesn't change what you need to do
[18:27] <zetheroo> ok, this is what it will look like after your proposed changes are made https://ibb.co/zJCvW03
[18:28] <zetheroo> I have the VPN connected now and I can reach the work hostnames, but only if I add domain.local to the end of the hostname.
[18:28] <leftyfb> zetheroo: ok, as long as that 192.168.x.x address is the correct nameserver for your work local network, then it should work
[18:28] <leftyfb> ah, that is a different issue then ...
[18:29] <zetheroo> yeah, before I could reach (ping) the hostnames without the domain.local
[18:29] <leftyfb> zetheroo: run nm-connection-editor and enter domain.local as your search domain
[18:30] <leftyfb> gnome devs hate users so they removed the ability to set that in network-manager
[18:30] <zetheroo> oh man ... you don't know how much time I have spent looking for that bleeding setting :D
[18:31] <zetheroo> ok, going to reconnect the VPN ... so going to loose this connection temporarily
[18:32] <pyusr> Is it possible to see how many downloads there is for a given package and version ?
[18:32] <leftyfb> zetheroo: you can always edit the files directly in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connectons/name-of-vpn-profile and add/edit your dns=  under the [ipv4] section
[18:32] <feannag> is there a command line tool that can give me the city in which a IP address is based in?
[18:32] <leftyfb> pyusr: how many downloads? You mean how many package dependencies?
[18:32] <leftyfb> feannag: not really, no
[18:33] <pyusr> no, how many downloads
[18:33] <leftyfb> pyusr: downloads of what?
[18:34] <pyusr> since python 2.7 + virtualenv is broken in ubuntu 16.04 (which is LTS, hahahaha), I want to figure out how many people are effected by python not working..: https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues/325
[18:34] <feannag> leftyfb, how do sites like ipleak, etc work? how do retrieve the stats about an IP address?
[18:34] <pyusr> downloads os a specific .deb package from ubuntu repositories (or how many people have it via populairty contest)
[18:34] <feannag> *they
[18:34] <leftyfb> pyusr: no, contact Canonical
[18:35] <pyusr> afaik, someone in the company saw that
[18:35] <pyusr> don't think they car
[18:35] <zetheroo1> leftyfb: ok, so that worked a treat - Awesome!
[18:36] <zetheroo1> leftyfb: would you have any ideas as to why the 'Use this connection only for resources on it's network' settings makes the hostnames on the work LAN no longer reachable when enabled?
[18:37] <sarnold> pyusr: so, probably the best way to get canonical engaged on this issue is to go through the packages that were updated in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/2020-February/date.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/2020-January/date.html  and so on, find *which* package update broke the workflow, and then report a bug against that package
[18:37] <leftyfb> zetheroo1: because your work doesn't advertise the different routes needed to access those other ip's over the VPN
[18:38] <zetheroo1> leftyfb: would that be something set on the VPN server?
[18:38] <leftyfb> zetheroo1: yes
[18:38] <pyusr> sarnold: the problem is not that simple, no update broke the work flow, that problem is that ubuntu 16.04 comes with an pip from 10 years ago
[18:39] <pyusr> sarnold: the problem is that the python ecosystem moved from python 2, the pip that ubuntu 16.04 use, is so old, it can't tell the difference between a python 3 only package, and a regular one
[18:39] <pyusr> so someone would have to create a hybrid version of pip which can tell the difference, yet keep the same idiotacy from 10 yeas ago
[18:40] <zetheroo1> leftyfb: and is it correct that if this setting is not enabled ('Use this connection only for resources on it's network') that all my laptops network traffic is being funneled via the VPN connection?
[18:40] <sarnold> pyusr: so.. "someone" in the python ecosystem removed old py2 packages or something?
[18:41] <pyusr> no... the pip (version 8 ) is so old, it cannot tell if a version is py 3 only, so it d/ls the latest version, and borks the system
[18:42] <pyusr> only pip 9 and above can handle py3 only packages
[18:42] <leftyfb> pyusr: pip 8.1.1 which is the latest packaged version of python-pip available in Ubuntu 16.04.6 was released 1 month before Ubuntu 16.04 was released which was 4 years ago.
[18:42] <pyusr> (i.e. filter by them, and not install them on py2)
[18:42] <pyusr> leftyfb: ok, sorry, so 4 yeras ago
[18:42] <pyusr> and now we are in a big mess
[18:42] <pyusr> people think that LTS is LTS, but now lots of enterprise CI/CD work flow is borked
[18:43] <sarnold> pyusr: ahh.. so the old py2 versions of packages are still available, but if the authors stopped providing py2 versions with new updates, and the pip users didn't pin to 'working' versions.,.
[18:43] <leftyfb> pyusr: https://itsfoss.com/install-pip-ubuntu/
[18:51] <lurkashflake> installed jrnl both with pip and homebrew yet it says command not found when sending jrnl
[18:53] <pyusr> sarnold: they shouldn't be pinned, it should auto figure this out, but it's one version too old
[18:53] <leftyfb> lurkashflake: homebrew?
[18:54] <pyusr> leftyfb: not sure whats your point with that lin
[18:54] <lurkashflake> leftyfb: yes the command is bre
[18:54] <lurkashflake> brew
[18:54] <leftyfb> lurkashflake: what OS?
[18:54] <lurkashflake> ubuntu
[18:56] <sarnold> pyusr: bummer. this sounds like a bad situation. I mean we all knew python was a trainwreck but still :/
[18:57] <sarnold> pyusr: could you file a bug report? ubuntu-bug python-pip  .. and give a short little reproducer, something that works and something that fails?
[19:00] <lurkashflake> i've added pip and brew to my path
[19:04] <pyusr> sarnold: don't like opening 100 accounts... nothing works, and i dont think it can be shorter than what i write there...
[19:04] <pyusr> if someone has a launchpad and wants to link my bug report that would be nice
[19:05] <oerheks> .. you just make it longer than needed
[19:06] <leftyfb> pretty sure launchpad only requires opening 1 account
[19:06] <pyusr> yeah, sorry..
[19:07] <pyusr> here is a shorter repro: "sudo apt update && sudo apt install -y python virtualenv && virtaulenv /tmp/venv && /tmp/venv/bin/python -m install setuptools"
[19:08] <pyusr> maybe it's not a big issue if it's already going on for 1.5 month, and nobody complainted :)
[19:09] <sarnold> indeed, no one has cared enough to file a bug report
[19:11] <JimBuntu> normally, for situations like this, one would install pip and then have pip self update, right?
[19:11] <pyusr> no, you can't update a system package
[19:11] <pyusr> (or it's not sane to do)
[19:12] <pyusr> for situations like this, jus tdon't use system python
[19:12] <JimBuntu> pyusr: I have been having pip update pip, works fine with pipenv. Perhaps I have not ran into a py3 only case yet.
[19:13] <pyusr> if pipenv creates a virtualenv, it's ok
[19:13] <pyusr> but you can't touch the system pip that comes with python-pip
[19:13] <pyusr> infact doing it on 16.04 (maybe on other versions as well) will simply make pip stop working
[19:16] <JimBuntu> I just checked a 16.04 system, has python-pip version 8.1.1, pip -V reports pip 20.0.2 in my .local/lib from the pip self update, unless I'm reading something wrong.
[19:16] <pyusr> ahh, ok, so you did a pip --user install, but that won't help python-virtualenv which I uses the system one
[19:17] <sarnold> updating the system version is a good way to make sure nothing works, either today or some point in the future
[19:17] <pyusr> infact virtualenv doesn't even use or need python-pip, it uses python-pip-whl which sits in /usr/share/python-wheels/pip*.whl
[19:22] <kreyren> What provides /var/run/libvirt on ubuntu?
[19:22] <Kharec> 'evening here.
[19:22] <pyusr> kreyren: dpkg-query can tell you that I think
[19:24] <kreyren> pyusr, does not seem to
[19:25] <pyusr> kreyren: https://askubuntu.com/questions/481/how-do-i-find-the-package-that-provides-a-file
[19:26] <kreyren> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /var/run/libvir
[19:26] <leftyfb> kreyren: /var/run/libvirt is not a file/directory provided by an official ubuntu package
[19:26] <leftyfb> kreyren: it looks to me like something created and used at runtime
[19:26] <kreyren> leftyfb, it's required by official ubuntu package (vagrant)
[19:31] <sarnold> man I juist can't find where that directory is created
[19:33] <ioria>  iirc ,  /var/run is a symlink to /run and  /run is just a  standardized location made available, where apps  can store runtime informations
[19:35] <leftyfb> it gets created when libvirtd is running after installing libvirt-bin and running the libvirtd service
[19:35] <leftyfb> it gets removed when you stop the libvirtd service
[19:35] <ioria> is tmp ; df -h | grep 'run$'
[19:36] <leftyfb> I just installed libvirtd to test it
[19:40] <lonewolf047> ++
[19:47] <isomari> greetings, does anyone know the tool that shows you popups of any key that I press? I saw it being used on a youtube video where I was able to see the hotkeys being pressed.
[19:48] <GH0S1> can I browse the ubuntu playstore online? CUrrently it redirects to snapcraft
[19:53] <geirha> isomari: xev perhaps?
[19:54] <pragmaticenigma> GH0S1: There is no play store, do you mean Software Center? If you do mean Software Center, there is not an online web site for those
[19:54] <geirha> ah no, popups, perhaps you're thinking of an onscreen keyboard?
[19:54] <GH0S1> ok thanks pragmaticenigma
[19:54] <isomari> geirha: thanks
[19:55] <isomari> geirha: not an onscreen keyboard. You only see the keys after you press them.
[19:56] <geirha> ah, hm. Don't know then, I'm afraid
[20:08] <ioria> isomari, screenkey
[20:09] <isomari> ioria: thanks
[20:09] <ioria> ok
[20:28] <dar123> hey guyz, i was changing routes on my machine. static routes look good after modifications but i can't get the default route to change
[20:30] <dar123> added 'up route add default gw 8.9.10.11 dev eth1' to my eth1 block in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:30] <dar123> after reboot still using eth0 gw as default route
[20:33] <sarnold> up?
[20:33] <sarnold> probably you wanted ip instead
[20:37] <lordcirth> Both - up ip route add
[20:38] <lordcirth> 'up' runs it when the iface comes up
[20:38] <lordcirth> That being said, about a year ago 'up', 'post-up', etc stopped working for no apparent reason on many of my 16.04 boxes
[20:43] <dar123> so what's the best way
[20:44] <dar123> should i delete the existing default route and then add the new one
[20:48] <B0g4r7> I just found out that my kernel on 18.04 is so old because I need to install "hwe".
[20:49] <EriC^> !hwe | B0g4r7
[20:50] <B0g4r7> Thanks, yeah I'm installing it now.
[20:54] <B0g4r7> That seemed to go OK.  5.3.0 booted up without incident.
[21:00] <milkt> where can i download ubuntu with https?
[21:00] <milkt> download the ubuntu installation iso image *
[21:01] <tomreyn> why do you need to?
[21:01] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=18.04.4&architecture=amd64
[21:02] <milkt> i already checked official download page though, only http supported for both direct iso download, or downloading iso.torrent file
[21:02] <oerheks> you can always check the iso with md5sum
[21:02] <milkt> because i want to make sure that i'm downloading correct ubuntu image
[21:03] <tomreyn> that's what gpg signatures are for
[21:03] <milkt> does ubuntu maintain any gpg/pgp signed checksum of iso or torrent file
[21:03] <milkt> i couldn't find one
[21:03] <oerheks> !md5sum
[21:03] <oerheks> and it has the routine build in too
[21:04] <tomreyn> there are gpg signatures against the checksum files: http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.4/
[21:05] <tomreyn> so check the SHA256SUM against the downloiaded image, then check the gpg signature on the SHA256SUM
[21:05] <milkt> so i can't even use https to download gpg signature?
[21:05] <tomreyn> trust needs to be rooted somewhere.
[21:06] <tomreyn> ideally you'll have a way to validate the iso signing key via the web of trust
[21:06] <milkt> i mean gpg signature is hosted in releases.ubuntu.com and it doesn't have https
[21:06] <oerheks> so, the -s makes it safe?
[21:07] <milkt> better than http i guess
[21:12] <milkt> so where can i get gpg pubkey which used to sign that http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04.4/SHA256SUMS.gpg ?
[21:14] <milkt> is there fingerprint or pubkey file in official ubuntu website
[21:14] <tomreyn> milkt: if https makes you happier: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts/blob/master/ubuntu_cdmirrors_https
[21:15] <tomreyn> keys.ubuntu.com and probably most SKS keyservers will have a copy of the ubuntu signing keys
[21:15] <tomreyn> maybe even keys.openpgp.org
[21:16] <tomreyn> also any existing ubuntu installation you might have will have a copy.
[21:16] <milkt> i don't have any ubuntu installation currently though, i'll try with ubuntu keyserver
[21:17] <oerheks> this page is secure though https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto
[21:18] <milkt> still have no idea why ubuntu don't even support basic https in their download page though
[21:19] <oerheks> to make you think again; does the -s comfort you?
[21:19] <milkt> little bit
[21:22] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/tutorial-how-to-verify-ubuntu
[21:28] <RonaldsMazitis> Why "find in all files" fail in geany?
[21:29] <kinghat> snaps take a while to start up but subsequent launches of the same app are "snappy". does that mean they are held in memory or how does that work?
[21:32] <leftyfb> kinghat: you might get a more informative answer in #snappy
[21:37] <oerheks> 1st time they might have delay, checking for update
[21:37] <oerheks> this makes calculator a bit annoying, known issue
[21:38] <kinghat> dont they do that in the background?
[21:38] <oerheks> yes, it does.. but on start of the app, not on login, like unattended updates
[21:39] <oerheks> i would not mind, seeing updates being downloaded, before login.
[21:41] <Scriptonaut> Does anyone know if ubuntu has something like setgid, except instead of new files inheriting the directory's owner's group, it inherits the directory's group?
[21:42] <kinghat> seems odd to hold up startup by checking for updates
[21:42] <Scriptonaut> I have a dir, with my_user:www-data, I added the setgid bit on the dir, but when I create new files, they have my_user:my_user, I want new files to have my_user:www-data
[21:49] <tomreyn> Scriptonaut: sudo chmod g+s /path/to/directory
[21:50] <tomreyn> that's after     sudo chown my_user:www-data /path/to/directory
[22:15] <Psi-Jack> So, live environment of both Ubuntu 18.04 and 19.10, WiFi works, post-install, I get no WiFi. Intel on a Lenovo Yoga C740-14IML. dmesg shows iwl loading, but then dumping an error stack resulting in the firmware not running.
[22:16] <tomreyn> post-install of what? what's the wireless chipset?
[22:17] <tomreyn> and what's the error message / trace in detail?
[22:17] <Psi-Jack> Ubuntu itself.
[22:18] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: what is current running kernel, 5.3.0-40?
[22:18] <Psi-Jack> Sec.. I was rebooting the dern thing, and it seems... the touchpad randomly stopped working as well now.
[22:20] <tomreyn> https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/Yoga/Yoga_C740_14IML says Intel  Wireless-AC 9560 or Intel WiFi 6 AX201
[22:21] <Psi-Jack> Kernel is 5.3.0-40
[22:22] <Psi-Jack> I'm thinking, hoping, the acpi_osi thing I did earlier was the cause... And it was, of the touchpad stopping working.
[22:23] <Psi-Jack> So, acpi_osi='Windows 2009' isn't a good choice. OL
[22:23] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: Use an older kernel version after filing a bug report
[22:24] <Psi-Jack> Lovely. Umm.. After? LOL
[22:24] <oerheks> hardblocked or soft?
[22:25] <Psi-Jack> I already removed it from rfkill, and it's neither, after that. :)
[22:26] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: I have seen other reports of issues with Intel wifi with that kernel, someone needs to file a bug report
[22:27] <Psi-Jack> I see. I'll get a working system, and file a report.
[22:27] <Psi-Jack> Basically, install Ubuntu 18.04 back on like I originaly wanted, Without installing the updates,
[22:28] <Psi-Jack> It was on 19.10 this last time. So. yeah.
[22:29] <tomreyn> there is bug 1833065
[22:30] <Psi-Jack> Intel Intel 9560, same one. Looking further,
[22:30] <Psi-Jack> Similar, but not exactly what I was seeiung with the kernel log
[22:30] <tomreyn> well, i can only guess
[22:31] <ptah8> there is a coldplay song that mentions ubuntu, its a african khosale word meaning humanity one
[22:31] <Psi-Jack> Dang good guess, though, honestly. Very very similar and close.
[22:32] <tomreyn> i mean, it's not like we have logs to look at
[22:32] <Psi-Jack> Yet. I will get that when I have a working system, because at least I can switch active kernels,. ;)
[22:33] <Psi-Jack> As it was, I'd be hand typing everything if I kept it the way it was.
[22:33] <tomreyn> i see. good luck.
[22:36] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: you could try the canonical-hwe PPA with the backport-iwlwifi-dkms package and see if it is fixed
[22:37] <Psi-Jack> Also looks like the oem-osp1 kernel may also have it working. But, we'll see about that as well.
[22:39] <warshrike> guys is anyone else facing laggy/stuttery mouse pointer in Ubuntu 19.10?
[22:39] <warshrike> I'm using an XPS 15 with i5 9400h and samsung svme ssd
[22:39] <warshrike> like it's going smoothly, and whenever the cpu 'revs'
[22:40] <warshrike> i.e. when a new program or chrome tab is loading
[22:40] <warshrike> the cursor starts to lag/stutter
[22:40] <sarnold> warshrike: how long does the lag last?
[22:40] <sarnold> warshrike: do you see any entries in dmesg that correlate to the events?
[22:40] <warshrike> I came back from windows 10 because the reviews said 19.10 was 'smooth like the old unity version' :/
[22:41] <warshrike> sarnold just a few seconds. like in moderately heavy usage, it will happen every 20 seconds for a sec or two
[22:41] <Psi-Jack> Oh good.. I didn't realize a brand new install of Ubuntu 18.04.4 would result in the exact same kernel version. LOL
[22:41] <warshrike> sarnold how can I check messages in dmesg?
[22:42] <warshrike> could it...be a wayland issue?
[22:42] <warshrike> btw I don't have any discrete gpu just the intel 9th gen one.
[22:42] <sarnold> Psi-Jack: d'oh :/ -- you could try 'undoing' the instructions here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack -- but that's not super convenient
[22:43] <sarnold> warshrike: from a terminal, run 'dmesg'
[22:45] <Krennic> ubuntu 18.04 is better than the 19.10 i think even im on ubuntu 18.04 on wsl
[22:46] <warshrike> sarnold here it is https://pastebin.com/hJASew3R
[22:46] <warshrike> I pasted the output here. Maybe it can help you see the issue
[22:46] <sarnold> cripes
[22:47] <warshrike> easier to view: https://pastebin.com/raw/hJASew3R
[22:47] <tomreyn> "make it all snaps" they said
[22:47] <sarnold> warshrike: run these "snap connect" commands https://snapcraft.io/htop
[22:48] <warshrike> sarnold done but I don't the htop program is causing my issues is it? oO
[22:48] <sarnold> warshrike: I'm not sure
[22:48] <sarnold> warshrike: it's certainly logging a few hundred events a second and that's not going to be fun
[22:49] <sarnold> [26526.236436] kauditd_printk_skb: 9060 callbacks suppressed
[22:49] <sarnold> .. and that's just what it's logging :)
[22:49] <sarnold> it's logging way less than 1% of what's being denied
[22:50] <warshrike> Ah I see...
[22:50] <warshrike> so dmesg should be mostly empty?
[22:50] <warshrike> I mean I can get rid of htop I don't really use it
[22:50] <sarnold> here's a machine that's been up for three weeks http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3G9vGwWTfh/
[22:52] <warshrike> Ah I see
[22:53] <warshrike> I think there are two issues...1 - cpu usage is kind of high with all this dmesg stuff going on 2- mouse should not lag even if its high
[22:53] <warshrike> powertop certainly chows a very high drain of 16w. previously id get 7-9 w
[22:55] <warshrike> I wish they'd just bring back Unity! Lol it has never been the same...that unified top menu bar was sooo sexy
[22:55] <craigbass76> pactl load-module module-loopback <-- just ran that so I could hear what I'm playing (bass/guitar plugged in) live, but there's a wicked delay. Any way to cut that down?
[22:55] <sarnold> warshrike: someone's trying to keep unity alive -- you should be able to install it via apt install unity
[22:56] <Sbur3> I want to install a DVD/BluRay combo drive in Ubuntu 19.10. It doesn't seem that the system recognizes it. During boot, I saw ata4 error message ...
[22:56] <Sbur3> Anyone wanna help me see if it is seen by the system?
[22:57] <sarnold> craigbass76: our friends in #ubuntustudio may have suggestions
[22:57] <sarnold> craigbass76: there's probably ways to get a lot of the benefits of the things they're doing without a full reinstall, maybe rtkit or similar, but I think those folks probably fight that fight a lot more than I do :)
[22:58] <warshrike> sarnold yeah but I feel kind of weird using a product that wont be actively maintained hence forth
[22:58] <warshrike> so...
[22:59] <sarnold> warshrike: yeah, I get that
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: Unfortunately, pulseaudio doesn't care about latency. That's where Jack comes into play, or using ALSA directly.
[23:00] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: (thanks for the ping)
[23:00] <craigbass76> @sarnold, I'm actually on Manjaro -- this Scarlet box works fine on my Ubuntu Studio box (I record in the basement so my album will be a big cellar!), but I'm trying to work upstairs a bit on my laptop. I'll ask over there though. I'm guessing it's a pulse issue, not related to OS.
[23:01] <craigbass76> Oh, and dinner is about ready, so it will have to wait a bit... :(
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> craigbass76: You definitely shouldn't use this channel for non-Ubuntu questions, that's VERY offtopic.
[23:02] <sarnold> craigbass76: *roflgroan*
[23:03] <bprompt> craigbass76:  "my album will be a big cellar!"   <----- sorry to hear that :P
[23:06] <sarnold> Eickmeyer: I wondered if pulse would be able to do this fast enough or not -- do you happen to know off-hand what kinds of latencies you get with pulse's loopback vs jack's equivalent? (no need to go looking, this is an idle curiosity, but if you happen to know.. :)
[23:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> sarnold: Based on estimates, anything higher than Jack. Jack doesn't use any loopback as it can simply patch a loopback to a Jack-enabled application. For instance, Ardour can take the output of a track and loop it back to itself using Jack without the need for a further plugin such as Pulse does (of course, Ardour can just use straight ALSA to do that too).
[23:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Pulse just simply doesn't deal with latencies. I've never been able to bench any lower than 5 ms with Pulse.
[23:09] <sarnold> sheesh
[23:09] <sarnold> 5ms is an eternity
[23:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> In terms of audio, yes.
[23:09] <sarnold> what's it *doing*? :)
[23:10] <Eickmeyer[m]> Processing. Before Pulseaudio, ALSA didn't share audio devices very well.
[23:11] <sarnold> true that
[23:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> But, it's also not capable of sending audio to another application without a loopback. That's where Jack excels.
[23:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> (We're horribly off-support topic here)
[23:17] <warshrike> we should all work together to fix ubuntu lag
[23:17] <warshrike> now THAT would on topic
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> warshrike: On-topic, in this channel, is not merely discussion. It's support, as in helping fellow users.
[23:18] <Eickmeyer> !topic