| Eickmeyer | OvenWerks: I think he borked his install during install by failing to read the release notes. :/ | 02:12 |
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| studiobot | <azbulutlu> re mypaint if it gets in it gets in, if not as you said there is the backport. thats all we can do... :) mypaint is just amazing for sketching (it is an infinite canvas software which krita isn't. so they are not direct alternatives to each other). | 03:52 |
| RikMills | doesn't look co-installable to me. looks like a library transition where gimp would need to be rebuilt for the bumped soname | 10:01 |
| RikMills | ok. current gimp would fail to build with the new mypaint lib/brushes, so that is a blocker in debian and us | 12:44 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: Except gimp specifies libmypaint2.0 and Mypaint specifies libmypaint1.5, so why couldn't the two be coinstallable? Unless the soname is an issue. | 18:19 |
| RikMills | Eickmeyer: gimp in focal currently depends: libmypaint-1.3-0 (>= 1.3.0) | 18:24 |
| Eickmeyer | RikMills: Ok, so are the two libraries coinstallable or is someone in Debian being super dumb about this? | 18:26 |
| RikMills | which is because that is what it build with. replace that with libmypaint-1.5-1 required for new mypaint, amd gimp would have to be recompiled to work with that | 18:26 |
| RikMills | actually it is not so much the lib that rebuilding gimp has an issue with, but more the mypaint-brushes version | 18:27 |
| RikMills | but they all need to be shipped for the transition to build new mypaint | 18:27 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok, I'm asking this because Fedora seems to have figured it out by having both mypaint-brushes versions coinstallable. Why can't Debian do the same? | 18:28 |
| Eickmeyer | (and both libmypaint versions) | 18:28 |
| RikMills | Eickmeyer: See: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/experimental/+packages | 18:28 |
| RikMills | debian is not fedora ;? | 18:28 |
| Eickmeyer | Yes, but the principle is still there. | 18:29 |
| Eickmeyer | It all comes down to the packaging. | 18:29 |
| RikMills | it always is, but point is at the moment it will crash and burn which is why that stuff is in experimental | 18:32 |
| Eickmeyer | Well, I'm not sweating it too much, but it's an issue that has been going on for two years that nobody has figured out and I don't have the influence in Debian to tell people to make stuff coninstallable. Seems like the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing on this. | 18:33 |
| Eickmeyer | Either way, we have people installing gimp from PPAs that have figured out how to make it coninstallable with MyPaint. | 18:34 |
| RikMills | Eickmeyer: same issue with fuse3. It is v annoying | 18:34 |
| Eickmeyer | And then filing bug reports against that gimp package when it crashes, filling launchpad with useless bug reports that get reported to us because gimp is in the packageset. | 18:34 |
| Eickmeyer | I get at least two emails a day about gimp because someone improperly reported a bug against the gimp that's in the PPA (skipping-over ubuntu-bug/apport). | 18:35 |
| RikMills | Eickmeyer: PPAs are an 'overlay' which means you can gave a lib from that and a different version from the ubuntu primary archive installed AT THE SAME TIME as long as there is no file conflict. We can;t so that in the ubuntu main archive without renaming the source package | 18:37 |
| RikMills | *have a lib | 18:37 |
| Eickmeyer | Right. Either way, it's annoying. | 18:37 |
| RikMills | It is | 18:38 |
| studiobot | <teward001> (this was the headache I had to encounter with a filesystem compat lib/toolset in Debian - vmfs-tools and vmfs6-tools achieve much of the same 'goals' but with different compat levels for VMware filesystems - the first request was to make coinstallable.) | 18:39 |
| studiobot | <teward001> (but that was pain :P) | 18:39 |
| RikMills | easiest hope is gimp do a bugfix version to work with new mypaint sources | 18:39 |
| studiobot | <Eickmeyer> @azbulutlu So, there's our answer, probably not going to happen. :/ | 19:27 |
| studiobot | <Eickmeyer> @azbulutlu Did you ever have a chance to design a new default wallpaper? | 19:27 |
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