[00:15] <oerheks> i would standard say intel, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html/clear
[00:15] <oerheks> oops
[01:17] <leftyfb> Fair warning, I banned ptah from #ubuntu and #linuxhelp on EFnet from constantly spamming garbage.
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> ptah has been doing this all week
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> has had some valid support issues... but rambles into the ot realm
[01:18] <leftyfb> yup, which I found interesting. He filters himself quite a bit here. Pretty outright trolling/spamming on EFnet
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> agreed, very good at dancing on the line between what is and isn't acceptable
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> they have been told about -discuss and -offtopic and usually find their way over there after being reminded
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> unlike this alazy character
[01:22] <leftyfb> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/fH3THkyQmr/
[01:23] <leftyfb> there was nobody else talking during any of his rambling
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> I think they're doing it because it all gets logged... so they can tell all their friends... hey look, I did something
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> guessing it's either some 15 year old who hasn't quite met the world yet, or some 40 year old living in their mom's basement
[02:00] <pragmaticenigma> !gpt
[03:42] <pragmaticenigma> or they should just get a real laptop?
[03:43] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: aren't some chromebooks capable of having ChromeOS completely removed and replaced by another OS now?
[03:44] <leftyfb> I think so
[03:44] <leftyfb> but this isn't that
[03:45] <pragmaticenigma> hence why I didn't mention it in main as an option ;-)
[03:45] <leftyfb> I bet they could potentially get it going properly with namespacing, but that goes way beyond the scope of #u and that individuals capabilities
[03:45] <pragmaticenigma> agreed
[03:46] <daftykins> those ones i got free, you had to crack the case and remove a write protect screw... flash an alternate firmware... then you only got some super limited options due to the tiny eMMC
[03:47] <leftyfb> I still have my CR48. It won't power on/charge though due to the defective barrel connector or something that they all had.
[03:47] <pragmaticenigma> I think the newer ones are less physical to switch over
[03:48] <leftyfb> for a while, I could plug/unplug the power cord 10-100 times in a row(according to googles official documentation) to get it to charge and power on
[03:49] <pragmaticenigma> oh geeze
[03:49] <pragmaticenigma> that sounds like a guide to... here... let
[03:49] <pragmaticenigma> it limp along until the warrenty expires
[03:49] <leftyfb> I should bring it down to the makerspace and see if I can get it going one of these days
[03:49] <leftyfb> there was no warranty, google just sent it to me one day
[03:50] <pragmaticenigma> sounds like a fun afternoon project for the maker space
[03:50] <leftyfb> I think I signed up to test google products or something a long time ago, then one day this thing just showed up out of the blue.
[03:51] <leftyfb> yeah, though I question how well it'll work. I can guarantee it's not going to run any modern chromeOS. It's got to be about 10 years old now
[03:52] <leftyfb> oh look, it's just about exactly 10 years old
[03:52] <leftyfb> it has free built in 3G too. I wonder if that's still active
[03:57] <pragmaticenigma> It would be impressive if it was... worth pulling it apart to get at the SIM card?
[03:58] <daftykins> i feel like i read a piece on something like that getting retired
[04:00] <leftyfb> not to mention it's 3g which is starting to get phased out everywhere
[04:01] <pragmaticenigma> phased out? hadn't heard that yet
[04:01] <pragmaticenigma> most I heared recently was the 2nd gen and older being shut off
[04:02] <leftyfb> https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-218813/
[04:03] <pragmaticenigma> found an article for AT&T planning on shutting it down in 2022
[04:03] <leftyfb> https://www.att.com/support/article/wireless/KM1324171/
[04:03] <leftyfb> so yeah, basically gone in the next 2 years
[04:03] <pragmaticenigma> damn... guess another set of phones to get rid of
[04:03] <leftyfb> hm, wonder if my old kindle paperwhite supports LTE ... that'll be a pitty if it doesn't
[04:04] <leftyfb> shocker, it needs to be charged
[04:04] <pragmaticenigma> haha
[04:04] <daftykins> i'm seeing a theme developing :)
[04:04] <leftyfb> ooo, new one is waterproof
[04:05] <daftykins> finally a feature dead-tree lacks
[04:05] <pragmaticenigma> I thought the waterproof one was released back in 2015?
[04:06] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: now you know how long I've had my OS paperwhite :)
[04:07] <leftyfb> 2014 is when I bought mine
[04:08] <pragmaticenigma> it's all good... I have one in the cupboard from about the same time... though it wasn't mine originally... and I'm sure it's battery is dead
[04:08] <pragmaticenigma> I wanted to see if I could make it into a weather display
[04:11] <leftyfb> hm, interesting. The latest paperwhite is still 3G. Wonder how they expect to not tick off their customers in the next couple years
[04:13] <leftyfb> nm, I guess it's LTE
[04:17] <pragmaticenigma> wonder how many are still on the old whispernet system
[04:18] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:19] <pragmaticenigma> guess who's back
[04:19] <pragmaticenigma> back again... ptah8's back...
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> when you see me, you need to goto bed :p
[04:20] <pragmaticenigma> watching some shows on the telie
[04:20] <Bashing-om> I am going to go to bed :P \o
[04:21] <daftykins> g'night!
[04:21] <pragmaticenigma> I'm not too far behind in that plan... the tom foolery in main and #kodi... has me brain dead
[04:26] <daftykins> same here, fried and 4:30am
[07:30] <ducasse> good morning
[10:10] <JoeLlama> I have a number of older, slower machines that I want to run linux on.  Which will run faster and use few resources: lubuntu or xubuntu?
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: depends on the hardware really, i had machines that worked smoother with xubuntu
[10:10] <JoeLlama> ok
[10:10] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: but in most cases, lubuntu should still be the lightest
[10:11] <JoeLlama> lubuntu is generally faster?
[10:11] <JoeLlama> I have a number of intel atom n250 computers
[10:11] <JoeLlama> wait lemme make sure
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: think we cant generalize the fastest flavor by default
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> its all about how the user tweaks his own system
[10:12] <JoeLlama> well I mean a straight install and updates
[10:12] <JoeLlama> and that is about it
[10:13] <JoeLlama> Intel Atom n270
[10:13] <JoeLlama> single core two threads 32 bit
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: best way to findout is compare yourself on your hardware
[10:13] <JoeLlama> it gets a bit bogged down at atimes for sure
[10:14] <JoeLlama> yeah I am just installing xubuntu at this point... it just works... lubuntu I couldn't get wireless working but then again I'm not real sharp when it comes to that
[10:14] <JoeLlama> mainly I just want the one that runs faster
[10:15] <JoeLlama> takes 7 to 10 seconds to open firefox
[10:15] <JoeLlama> but at least xubuntu works very well
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: firefox is a heavy browser for older hardware
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> best case is you tweak everything possible, to have a smooth system
[10:16] <JoeLlama> oh ok :) what would be a good browser in your opinion
[10:17] <JoeLlama> I would need a link/referenve on tweaks
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: there are few lighter browsers like chromium or text based browsers links2
[10:18] <JoeLlama> ah
[10:18] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: tweaking: install preload, haveged, stacer, bleachbit, trim down unwanted startup items, disabled unwanted systemd services, use lightweight software
[10:18] <JoeLlama> not sure I would want chromium because it's google... google has enough data gathing going on but I dunno
[10:19] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[10:19] <JoeLlama> I saved that information and I'll google that up later
[10:20] <JoeLlama> mostly one box I am working on is just for very simple things like running VLC, email, and browser
[10:20] <JoeLlama> I can see how firefox is rather loadedd down
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> you can also install lubuntu/xubuntu with minimal option during setup
[10:20] <JoeLlama> how so?
[10:21] <JoeLlama> I did not see much in the way of choices
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: did you never install ubuntu before?
[10:21] <JoeLlama> I think my preference is xubuntu at this point
[10:21] <JoeLlama> I have installed many times yes but far from an expert
[10:21] <JoeLlama> it pretty much installs itself
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: during setup depending on your ubuntu version, you can enable/disable minimal option
[10:22] <JoeLlama> hrm...
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> that will save you alot of space on harddisk
[10:22] <JoeLlama> I am not sure if I saw that anyplace during installation
[10:22] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: https://i.stack.imgur.com/pMgbB.png
[10:23] <JoeLlama> thanks :)
[10:23] <JoeLlama> hrm I do not remmeber seeing that
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: depends wich version you tryed to install
[10:23] <JoeLlama> I am sure there is a way to pick and choose right>
[10:24] <JoeLlama> well this was 16.04 I think
[10:24] <JoeLlama> 32 bit
[10:24] <lotuspsychje> 16.04 didnt have that option yet
[10:25] <JoeLlama> I'm not really worried about how much storage I use (hard drive) just mainly speed... so dump firefox and install chrome right?
[10:25] <JoeLlama> how can I pick and choose each utility item during installation I assume there is a way
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: more space on hd will also help overall system smoothness
[10:26] <JoeLlama> oh ok well is SSD
[10:26] <JoeLlama> small SSD
[10:26] <JoeLlama> so there is no way to choose individual options with 16.04 during install??
[10:27] <JoeLlama> I will try chrome
[10:27] <JoeLlama> thanks lotuspsychje
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> chromium is the ubuntu alternate for chrome
[10:28] <JoeLlama> oh! ok I was wondering
[10:28] <lotuspsychje> so wich ubuntu version are you on now?
[10:29] <JoeLlama> for the box I set up xubuntu 16.04 I think...  that is the last version that is 32 bit right?
[10:29] <JoeLlama> lemme look
[10:30] <JoeLlama> oops:
[10:30] <JoeLlama> xubuntu-18.04.4-desktop-i386
[10:30] <JoeLlama> that's it lotuspsychje
[10:30] <JoeLlama> I need cheese products brb
[10:38] <JoeLlama> bak
[10:38] <JoeLlama> so I should uninstall firefox and install chromium right lotuspsychje?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> you can try what you want JoeLlama
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> live dangerous, try out some things on ubuntu
[10:39] <JoeLlama> let me rephrase
[10:40] <JoeLlama> for a speed increase in browsing I might have better luck with chromium right? also, removing firefox can help wtih speed issues?
[10:40] <JoeLlama> looking for an opinion here
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> my opinion is to try and compare things for yourself
[10:41] <JoeLlama> yes let me rephrase again...
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> cause on different hardware, software willr eact differently
[10:42] <JoeLlama> in your experience...  do you find chromium to be faster and also in your experience do you find that removing firefox helps with speed issues
[10:42] <JoeLlama> I notice it's very hard to get straight answers from linux people and I don't know why
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> in my experience i use firefox only on my i5 and i7 machine
[10:42] <JoeLlama> it's a single core CPU so...
[10:43] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[10:43] <JoeLlama> that's the answer I think I was looking for
[10:43] <JoeLlama> I will uninstall firefox and install chromium
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:43] <JoeLlama> also I will look up the tweaks you mentioned
[10:43] <JoeLlama> like I said takes 7 to 10 seconds for firefox to open on that box
[10:44] <JoeLlama> Intel Atom n270 1.6 GHz
[10:44] <JoeLlama> I run Dells almost exclusively here
[10:44] <JoeLlama> I have piles of dells (literally)
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> before uninstalling firefox, TRY chromium first and compare, then let me know wich1 goes faster
[10:45] <JoeLlama> I went nuts, bought used older Dells sometimes 5 at a time on ebay
[10:45] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[10:45] <JoeLlama> I think I will just uninstall firefox I'm not that big of a fan to be honest
[10:46] <JoeLlama> I will try chromium
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: open software center, there's like several browsers you can test alternate
[10:46] <JoeLlama> hrm ok
[10:47] <JoeLlama> I will trust that chromium is a good alternative from what you have told me
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> you are using xubuntu already, you never looked in the software?
[10:47] <JoeLlama> I also use opera
[10:47] <JoeLlama> I like opera
[10:47] <JoeLlama> no not much haven't looked
[10:47] <lotuspsychje> so, you already know all this
[10:47] <JoeLlama> hrm?
[10:47] <JoeLlama> all what?
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> wich browser goes faster, opera or firefox?
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> i need your opinion
[10:48] <JoeLlama> well I assume opera
[10:48] <JoeLlama> yes I Think opera goes faster on a windows box
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> you use it right?
[10:48] <JoeLlama> but it doesn't work with every site
[10:48] <JoeLlama> I use opera and firefox on windows boxes
[10:49] <JoeLlama> opera seems faster and lower overhead
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> well lets not discuss windows here
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> did you test them on xubuntu?
[10:49] <JoeLlama> and to be honest I like opera a little better than firefox
[10:49] <JoeLlama> so then I will try both opera and chromium on xubuntu
[10:50] <JoeLlama> perhaps leave both installed and uninstall firefox
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> the fastest browser is tested was brave snap
[10:50] <JoeLlama> brave snap?
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> but i think they removed the snap
[10:50] <JoeLlama> oh
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> brave browser
[10:50] <JoeLlama> brave browser?
[10:50] <JoeLlama> do you like it? does it work well?
[10:50] <JoeLlama> I will try those three then
[10:51] <JoeLlama> I have not tried windows 10 yet but from what steve gibson says it makes me itch :(
[10:52] <JoeLlama> I will have a number of ubuntu boxes up and running soon I hope
[10:52] <JoeLlama> microsoft offered me the job but I find that I am unable to write slow and bloated code
[10:53] <JoeLlama> ok thanks lotuspsychje :) I appreciate the input
[10:54] <JoeLlama> steve gibson is writing a new version of spinrite btw for newer drives
[10:55]  * JoeLlama wanders off munching cheese and crackers with a wee bit of scotch
[10:56] <JoeLlama> oh yes I know brave browser!  saw it on security now.
[10:57] <JoeLlama> seems like a good thing but at the time was still not available when I saw it...  I look again now
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> just keep in mind some software are snaps or will add external ppa's to your system
[10:58] <JoeLlama> installing brave now
[10:59] <JoeLlama> dunno what an external ppa is
[10:59] <lotuspsychje> !ppa
[10:59] <JoeLlama> oh ok looking
[11:01] <JoeLlama> yes brave advertised on security now for a short time a while back: https://twit.tv/shows/security-now
[11:03] <JoeLlama> ok thanks lotuspsychje
[11:06] <JoeLlama> I find that drinking never solves any problems but it does make them go away
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: ping for your wakeup: <Battle> leftyfb if you're here, when i returned home I found this message on the KVM when the system crashed again https://prnt.sc/r6gdrc ive asked them to reconnect the KVM so i may be able to get more info but uncertain atm
[21:34] <oerheks> Microsoft Defender ATP for Linux ...
[21:37] <daftykins> i hope it has Clippy
[21:37] <oerheks> i am trying t find a download, but no
[21:38] <oerheks> https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-defender-atp-now-public-preview-linux
[21:38] <oerheks> maybe just part of WSL?
[21:40] <leftyfb> I think it's only part of the Windows preview or whatever they call it
[21:40] <leftyfb> basically beta testers
[21:40] <daftykins> ah for "Windows Insiders"
[21:41] <oerheks> peew, i had a deja vu
[21:41] <leftyfb> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/windows/microsoft-defender-atp?ocid=docs-wdatp-main-abovefoldlink&rtc=1
[21:42] <leftyfb> it's only for business