[00:00] <kenperkins> psuedosucces. install 19.10 without connecting wifi indeed gets me 5.3.0-18 :D so was that pin command above correct? apt-mark hold?
[00:00] <Battle> I was speaking with a few guys earlier about my system crashing without reason, nothing in syslog or kern.log. I contacted providers who have replaced the entire machine, however..after following their latest advice which was to downgrade network driver to r8168 from the r8169. system was online for maybe 5hoours before it then froze completely
[00:00] <pragmaticenigma> I believe so... I usually do it through synaptic (though that might not have been installed by default)
[00:01] <Battle> if I KVM into it, the system screen is there but unresponsive, providers confirmed the system was powered and on but frozen
[00:01] <Battle> so it's one step up from before, which was completely shut off
[00:02] <causative> pragmaticenigma, here is a complete rundown:  https://pastebin.com/teivCPnq
[00:02] <leftyfb> Battle: get it going again, open kvm and run "dmesg -Tw"   watch it for the next time it freezes
[00:02] <leftyfb> Battle: also, what version of ubuntu and what kernel?
[00:02] <leftyfb> Battle: did you ever end up trying to leave it running without an OS?
[00:03] <pragmaticenigma> causative: that would appear that your computer BIOS/Firmware may have locked the computer in safe mode with the power loss
[00:03] <causative> think a reboot would fix it?
[00:04] <pragmaticenigma> causative: It very well could, I'd also take a look through your BIOS/Firmware setup screens and make sure the settings are correct
[00:05] <pragmaticenigma> causative: And if you were running tests that were benchmarking or running the system at full throttle, it might be a sign that something overheated
[00:05] <Battle> leftyfb: I havent tried the bios only path just yet as I wanted to test what the providers suggested first when they advised of the network driver being the cause. so I'm going to bring the system online and try what you've said dmesg -Tw
[00:06] <leftyfb> Battle: also confirm the version of ubuntu and which kernel
[00:06] <Battle> also just want to say thank you for all the assistance you've provided
[00:07] <Battle> leftyfb, i'm running: Ubuntu Linux 18.04.4 and kernel: 4.15.0-88-generic
[00:07] <leftyfb> Battle: you could try the hwe kernel
[00:07] <leftyfb> !hwe | Battle
[00:08] <Battle> are there issues with the kernel im running now? I also tried downgrading to previous kernel (I think it ended in 77 instead of 88)
[00:09] <leftyfb> Battle: that's what we want to find out
[00:09] <Battle> installing that HWE one now
[00:11] <Battle> leftyfb okay, rebooting now, I will leave it on KVM with that command you mentioned
[00:14] <Battle> leftyfb there is one red line that shows about unable to bind the codec hdaudiocd03
[00:14] <Battle> I assume this is safe to ignore as its just audio ?
[00:15] <kenperkins> pragmaticenigma: apt-get update/upgrade successful on 19.10 with kernel pinned
[00:20] <causative> pragmaticenigma, I rebooted, no change.  Also I didn't see anything in "settings" that controls the processor - mostly just boot options.  Perhaps there's a different screen I can get to somehow?
[00:21] <causative> all my processors are still at 800 MHz with a hardware limit of 3.5 GHz
[00:22] <causative> perhaps the processor hardware is somehow damaged?  how could I check that?
[00:24] <pragmaticenigma> kenperkins: awesome... that should buy you some time to figure out a kernel configuration with that driver :-)
[00:24] <pragmaticenigma> kenperkins: here's hoping that 20.04 might have the regression fixed
[00:25] <pragmaticenigma> causative: I'm not aware of any tools that would detect that... but given that you mentioned you've had a loose power cable, it is very possible a voltage spike could have damaged the CPU
[00:28] <Battle> leftyfb the network connectivity appears to be down after switching to that HWE kernel
[00:29] <leftyfb> Battle: can you confirm after logging in via the kvm?
[00:29] <Battle> yeah
[00:29] <Battle> leftyfb I thought it went down again but KVM and system are fine, theres just no network. iftconfig shows only the 127.0.0.1 interface
[00:30] <leftyfb> Battle: look through dmesg for issues with your network interface/driver
[00:32] <leftyfb> Battle: run "lspci" , what network device is it?
[00:36] <Battle> leftyfb very hard to see the text on this KVM https://prnt.sc/r6bfdo
[00:39] <Battle> leftyfb does that show what you were asking for?
[00:39] <leftyfb> Battle: try going back to your previous kernel and installing r8168-dkms
[00:40] <leftyfb> Battle: also, make sure you have the universe repo enabled
[00:42] <kenperkins> Thanks again pragmaticenigma, jeremy31
[00:42] <kenperkins> successfully on wifi with "full" install of 19.10, however I notice that I have no bluetooth :(
[00:43] <senorsmile> Anyone having issues with apt against archive.ubuntu.com?  I'm getting 503's from both a 16.04 box and 2 18.04 boxes.
[00:44] <|izzie> hi, lenovo t420 no sound, dummy output only
[00:45] <pragmaticenigma> senorsmile: possible that the mirror is sync'ing and might be a moment to finish?
[00:46] <senorsmile> has been 30+ minutes for me now.   possibly... I don't have another internet connection to try atm, and 503's are almost always serverside issues
[00:46] <pragmaticenigma> senorsmile: not having any issues with us.archive.ubuntu.com
[00:47] <leftyfb> |izzie: lspci -v | grep -i audio  # which audio card? (hi btw )
[00:47] <senorsmile> pragmaticenigma yeah I noticed that too
[00:47] <|izzie> HOLY CANNOLI
[00:47] <leftyfb> senorsmile: also not having issues here. Maybe try changing to us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[00:47] <|izzie> LEFTYFB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
[00:48] <leftyfb> |izzie: it's been a while :)
[00:49] <|izzie> leftyfb: you still in all th esame places?
[00:49] <leftyfb> |izzie: check your PM
[00:49] <|izzie> leftyfb: no output to that command
[00:49] <senorsmile> seeing errors there now too
[00:49] <senorsmile> both to us.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com
[00:50] <senorsmile> Can anyone else with default sources.list run apt update successfully atm?
[00:50] <leftyfb> |izzie: try just lspci, see if you can see anything about sound/audio
[00:50] <leftyfb> senorsmile: yes, again, no issues
[00:51] <leftyfb> senorsmile: maybe a problem with your provider
[00:51] <senorsmile> interesting ok
[00:51] <leftyfb> senorsmile: oh, Comcast in the U.S. they really shouldn't have a problem
[00:52] <leftyfb> senorsmile: 503 isn't typically DNS related, but maybe just try changing your public DNS to 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf just to see if it makes a difference
[00:52] <senorsmile> always use 8.8.8.8
[00:52] <senorsmile> will try cloudflare
[00:53] <Battle> leftyfb sadly I must go somethigns come up. ive got it on orignal kernel ill run dmesg -Tw in KVM and see whats going on when i return. ill switch to that other network driver too when i return
[00:53] <|izzie> leftyfb: nothing about audio
[00:53] <leftyfb> Battle: fyi, it's not another network driver. Its to rebuild the kernel module upon installing new kernels, like the hwe I had you install
[00:54] <leftyfb> |izzie: did this ever work? what version of ubuntu are you running now?
[00:54] <senorsmile> tried on all 3 boxes with exactly the same results.  Going to see if I can get my mobile phone hot spot working.
[00:54] <leftyfb> Battle: the idea is, after you install that dkms package, you --reinstall the hwe kernel and boot back into that and see if it loads up
[00:55] <|izzie> leftyfb: off and on.. and it works with headphones
[00:55] <leftyfb> senorsmile: got a router/firewall that might be blocking it?
[00:55] <|izzie> leftyfb: off and on.. and it works with headphones only
[00:55] <senorsmile> leftyfb haven't made any changes in my network since december
[00:55] <leftyfb> |izzie: sounds like maybe it's a bad/dead chipset?
[00:56] <|izzie> leftyfb: thanks much
[00:56] <leftyfb> |izzie: try a live cd/usb
[00:56] <senorsmile> been doing automated testing all week between boxes at home and various aws nodes
[00:56] <leftyfb> |izzie: and different versions of ubuntu or other distro's. See if there's any change
[00:56] <kenperkins> ok, so my bluetooth is also not present, as far as I can tell. Intel AC9560 is combo wifi and bluetooth correct? what dmesg logs should Iook for to investigate
[01:00] <causative> well, on the advice here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1021748/set-cpu-governor-to-performance-in-18-04 I did "sudo systemctl disable ondemand" and rebooted and now /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor all say "performance"
[01:00] <|izzie> leftyfb: ok
[01:00] <causative> however, all cpus are still locked to the minimum 800 mhz :( and I'm still getting low performance
[01:01] <kenperkins> interestingly, my processors are also at 800mhz :S
[01:02] <causative> maybe I could try a different OS to see if the problem is ubuntu or the bios/hardware
[01:02] <kenperkins> causative: what processor
[01:03] <causative> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4710MQ CPU @ 2.50GHz
[01:03] <causative> x8
[01:05] <causative> maybe something other than the CPU is being throttled to a low speed, so the CPU is at 800 mhz because that's all it needs to keep up with slow memory or bus or whatever? can that happen?
[01:07] <alazy> Is it possible to tell apt to pretend a manually downloaded .deb package is the same as a very slightly different package in the repos? Ok, it's not likely to work, but how could I try?
[01:08] <pragmaticenigma> alazy: apt isn't designed for that purpose... dpkg is used to manually install .deb packages
[01:09] <leftyfb> alazy: what is your end goal?
[01:10] <alazy> pragmaticenigma: It's a dependency of a package I want to install via apt. apt complains about the missing dependancy. I can't get it from the repos. I found what might be a nearly identical one in debian's pkg repos.
[01:10] <leftyfb> alazy: why can't you get the correct dependency package from the ubuntu repo?
[01:11] <senorsmile> leftyfb just tried from a t-mobile hotspot and all is well.  Something messed up with routes via my comcast connection.  That'll not be fun trying to report to comcast.
[01:11] <alazy> leftyfb: Install the qutebrowser-qtwebengine package on a raspberry pi / raspbian.
[01:12] <leftyfb> :/
[01:12] <leftyfb> alazy: we cannot support raspbian or debian or it's packages here. Try #raspberrypi
[01:13] <ptah8> i got something interesting to share. when you save a screenshot of stellarium, the image file is *.bmp, and file says windows 3.x format? why does unix/linux take something from windows?
[01:13] <ptah8> :)
[01:13] <oerheks> it is just not available for bionic,... https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=qutebrowser-qtwebengine
[01:13] <ptah8> gui :)
[01:14] <leftyfb> !ot | ptah8
[01:15] <ptah8> leftyfb, im using ubuntu
[01:15] <alazy> leftfy: I've asked on #raspbian for a while... My original question is about apt. Given an analogous problem in ubuntu, how could I force apt to accept a given .deb as a valid substitute for a package it could download from the repos?
[01:15] <ptah8> stellarium is a astronomy program in ubuntu linux
[01:15] <pragmaticenigma> ptah8: You're topic is not a support question or related to a support issue. Unless you're experiencing an issue that requires help, it's considered off topic
[01:16] <ptah8> i just thought its interesting to share that
[01:16] <leftyfb> ptah8: your question is not a support question for ubuntu. There is no problem you need help with. For opinions or inquiries, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[01:17] <oerheks> no, reask in #stellarium
[01:18] <leftyfb> alazy: let us know when you need help with Ubuntu. Otherwise, continue to seek help from #raspberrypi
[01:19] <alazy> leftyfb: I have a question about apt, ubuntu's package manager. If I want to force apt to accept a given .deb as a valid substitute for a package it could download for a repos (just because I want to experiment), how would I tell apt to do that, in ubuntu?
[01:20] <pragmaticenigma> alazy: just because two distributions use the same application, does not mean they have the same configuration. apt is an integral part of each distribution, however, it's mechanisms for resolving dependencies rely on the developers of the distribution to configure, which will not carry across all distros that use apt.
[01:20] <leftyfb> alazy: No. Go ask in #raspberrypi
[01:22] <oerheks> just upgrade that pi to 19.10, easy peasy
[01:32] <_Myst_> need help please, I have lenova 2-1 yoga touch screen, with dual boot ubuntu/win 10. the lappy has been playing up & came good yesterday after 10 using for nearly 6 months. issues where  to do with display. so I went ahead & did the windows updates & lenova , ran a bios update.. Now when after  grub, lenova hangs with "preparing automatic repair" screen & does not going any further. I've adjusted uefi to  " no secure boot"& disabled quick
[01:32] <_Myst_> boot
[01:32] <_Myst_> suggestions please. thanks in advance
[01:58] <Sven_vB> hi! :-) I'm trying to install bionic onto an old thinkpad which has the GPT boot bug, i.e. won't boot disks that have a default protective MBR. I found the tutorial [1] on how to create a fake boot-flagged partition entry in the MBR, but the fdisk in my bionic live session doesn't support the "-p" option. when I run it normally, it displays my GPT partitions instead of the MBR entries. are there other good ways to tweak the protective
[01:58] <Sven_vB> MBR? [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-i386/2013-March/010437.html
[02:10] <Sven_vB> I've reproduced the problem with a spare USB thumb driver where I put just GRUB, so I'm open for adventurous hex editor action ideas as well.
[02:22] <johnfg> hi folks
[02:23] <johnfg> apt returned a msg when I tried to install libmyodbc, that it's contained in another package.  How do I find out what pkg contains it?
[02:24] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: perhaps start with making sure the Firmware/Bios is up-to-date on that computer... the "bug" might have been fixed
[02:26] <pragmaticenigma> johnfg: what do you need it for?
[02:27] <Sven_vB> johnfg, really "contained" or just "mentioned"?
[02:28] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: ODBC is typically a windows requirement... hence why I'm asking johnfg what they need it for
[02:28] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, that was my first thought as well, however I can't seem to find the appropriate download, and the forum thread that lead me to the tutorial sounded a lot like lenovo just doesn't care.
[02:29] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, (that thought = update the BIOS)
[02:29] <johnfg> I'm installing openldap, and it's an add-on recommended.  It's actually in libreoffice-base-drivers.
[02:29] <johnfg> That's where I used to use it, back in the day.
[02:30] <johnfg> So, if I want to take advantage of it, I'll need to install the libreoffice-base-drivers, I guess.
[02:30] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, so are you saying bionic doesn't have tools to easily manipulate MBR entries? then maybe I should just boot an older version?
[02:31] <johnfg> It's at least a partial ?interface? with mysql.
[02:31] <pragmaticenigma> johnfg: no... you should see if there are instruction specific to ubuntu for OpenLDAP + MySQL backend
[02:31] <oerheks> that odbc it has serious issues, removed after xenial?? you could use this dirty unsupported trick https://askubuntu.com/questions/1162340/package-libmyodbc-has-no-installation-candidate
[02:31] <johnfg> Ok, for now I'll just proceed without it.
[02:32] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: I didn't say anything of the sort... why would you assume something I haven't said
[02:33] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, sorry I didn't mean to assume you meant something, just to ask whether you meant it.
[02:33] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, also I probably misunderstood the "start with" suggestion
[02:35] <oerheks> Sven_vB, so you have a locked uefi bios?
[02:35] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: the bug would be an issue with the firmware of the laptop... that's why I suggested to start there... easier to fix the bug, then try a bunch of work arounds
[02:37] <Sven_vB> oerheks, not sure whether that bug counts as "locked". it boots from MBR fine, just not from GPT. some forum thread says there's a bug where the BIOS doesn't even scan a disk if it has no boot-flagged partition in its MBR. which seems to be the case with default protective MBRs.
[02:39] <oerheks> err, one formats the disk from 0 for gpt.
[02:40] <jfariasf> is anyone in here using ubuntu 19.10 with kernel 5.5?
[02:40] <pragmaticenigma> !ask | jfariasf
[02:41] <jfariasf> my nvidia card is failing so I have to boot with nomodeset
[02:41] <Sven_vB> oerheks, the creation method shouldn't matter I guess. however, on the USB thunbdrive I reproduced it and there I created a fresh GPT.
[02:41] <jfariasf> which is annoying because the laptop light gives me headaches
[02:42] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: It sounds like to me that the machine doesn't support GPT well, and therefore you should just use it MBR
[02:42] <jfariasf> i tried with Kubuntu 19.10 and kernel 5.5 stable and 5.6-rc1. GPU is nvidia gtx 960m. it fails when booting and nomodeset is the only thing that works
[02:43] <pragmaticenigma> !patience | jfariasf
[02:43] <Sven_vB> oerheks, on the internal disk I created a GPT that had the appropriate sectors for existing partitions, and it works fine except I need an MBR-only SuperGrub Disk to help the BIOS load the internal disk's GRUB. once it's loaded, I can withdraw the "boot floppy" and boot normally.
[02:44] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, that would be easiest. however I'm trying to find a setup that makes my disk bootable independent of which of my notebooks I plug it in.
[02:45] <oerheks> heh, good luck
[02:45] <Sven_vB> if all else fails, I'll probably obtain a very small thumbdrive and install a GRUB there that just redirects
[02:46] <Sven_vB> blocks one USB port though
[02:46] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: So you want to force a device, that doesn't support a feature very well... entrust your data to it... all so you can do a fancy boot from any computer trick and risk the loss of all your data... let alone a workaround that will probably get the drive to work on that laptop, but will not work on any other machine
[02:48] <Sven_vB> pragmaticenigma, how would the data loss occurr? is this about more than just getting GRUB into RAM and handing over to it?
[02:50] <jfariasf> guys what's the Ubuntu equivalent of Debian unstable
[02:50] <Sven_vB> I thought once GRUB is loaded, the firmware doesn't care anymore
[02:50] <Sven_vB> jfariasf, probably #ubuntu+1
[02:51] <pragmaticenigma> jfariasf: there isn't one
[02:51] <pragmaticenigma> Sven_vB: #ubuntu+1 is for Ubuntu 20.04 only... they are running 19.10... don't misdirect other users seeking help
[02:53] <jfariasf> i saw that a new driver for kernel 5.5 was posted on Debian's unstable repo but can't find them for ubuntu. maybe i'll just try the official nvidia binaries
[02:53] <Sven_vB> sorry then, seems I misunderstood what Debian's "unstable" means then. I'll go read about it.
[02:57] <pragmaticenigma> jfariasf: There is the graphics drivers team repo, which may resolve the issue. though I suspect your card is old enough that really, I'm not sure if the nvidia drivers are really providing you any particular benefit
[02:57] <Sven_vB> oh I see the difference is that Debian unstable is rolling
[03:00] <jfariasf> yeah the card is old but if you want to run some games like cities skyline the drivers are a must
[03:01] <jfariasf> it's sad that nvidia won't open source the drivers
[03:02] <pragmaticenigma> I would look into the graphics drivers team PPA... most of it's contributors are the same people that push the drivers for mainstream Ubuntu. And nvidia has opensourced parts of their driver. Most of what remains closed has to do with CUDA and some specific rendering cores
[03:05] <jfariasf> i didn't know that. I'll check and see what happens
[03:05] <jfariasf> thanks
[03:13] <SirNapkin1334> hi, when trying to SSH / ping a hostname I have put in hosts, it says "unknown host" even though it's in /etc/hosts
[03:14] <SirNapkin1334> `$ ping pc-napkin_l`
[03:14] <SirNapkin1334> `ping: unknown host pc-napkin_l`
[03:14] <SirNapkin1334> and in the hosts file, there is `pc-napkin_l      172.18.28.1`
[03:14] <SirNapkin1334> this is the local IP adress
[03:14] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: hostnames can't have underscores
[03:14] <pragmaticenigma> SirNapkin1334: underscores are not valid for hostnames
[03:15] <SirNapkin1334> ohhh
[03:15] <pragmaticenigma> !paste | SirNapkin1334 , in the future also please
[03:15] <SirNapkin1334> how do I cause the changes I make to /etc/hosts to be used?
[03:15] <SirNapkin1334> any way other than restarting?
[03:15] <SirNapkin1334> and thanks, I'll do that
[03:16] <pragmaticenigma> SirNapkin1334: changes to host file does not usually require a reboot... changes should take effect immediately
[03:16] <SirNapkin1334> huh
[03:16] <SirNapkin1334> because it says unknown host pc-napkin-l
[03:16] <pragmaticenigma> what is the last character SirNapkin1334 ?
[03:16] <SirNapkin1334> of the host name?
[03:16] <SirNapkin1334> or the line?
[03:16] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[03:16] <SirNapkin1334> l
[03:16] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: ip goes first
[03:16] <SirNapkin1334> wait really
[03:17] <SirNapkin1334> oh
[03:17] <SirNapkin1334> oh
[03:17] <pragmaticenigma> SirNapkin1334: There should have already been entries in your host file to use as an example
[03:17] <SirNapkin1334> that's weird, because it used to work, even with the stuff backwards
[03:17] <SirNapkin1334> but suddenly it doesnt
[03:17] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: no, it will never work if it is backwards
[03:18] <pragmaticenigma> SirNapkin1334: It has never worked in reverse... not in the 30 years that I have been working with networks and servers
[03:18] <SirNapkin1334> hmm
[03:18] <SirNapkin1334> maybe i'm remembering wrong
[03:18] <leftyfb> you are
[03:19] <pragmaticenigma> SirNapkin1334: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_(file)#File_content
[03:19] <SirNapkin1334> hmm, but now I can't ping my computer from my laptop
[03:19] <SirNapkin1334> they're on the same network and I'm pinging the local ip
[03:21] <SirNapkin1334> hmm, I can ping my laptop from my computer, but not the other way around
[03:21] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: do you still have an invalid entry in your hosts file?
[03:21] <SirNapkin1334> i dont think so
[03:21] <SirNapkin1334> oh, no, this isn't a hosts problem
[03:22] <SirNapkin1334> even when using the IP directly it doesn't work
[03:22] <SirNapkin1334> copying directly from my computer's output of hostname -I, I use the first IP address displayed, but nothing, can't ping
[03:22] <leftyfb> it will be if you specified an ip address as the hostname for another hostname (backwards)
[03:22] <SirNapkin1334> no, I fixed it
[03:22] <SirNapkin1334> IP addresses always in first position
[03:23] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: please pastebin your hosts file (btw, messing with the hosts file is the wrong way to do things)
[03:23] <SirNapkin1334> i just want to make shortcuts so that I don't have to type IP addresses every time I SSH
[03:24] <SirNapkin1334> https://f.secretalgorithm.com/1Nab8/hosts
[03:24] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: I get the point, it's usually the wrong way to go about it.
[03:24] <SirNapkin1334> I use that site because I can upload files from terminal
[03:24] <SirNapkin1334> what is the best way then?
[03:24] <SirNapkin1334> didn't know there was a different way to do that
[03:24] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: you can do the same with pastebinit and nc with termbin
[03:25] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: your link fails
[03:25] <SirNapkin1334> https://f.secretalgorithm.com/1NAb8/hosts
[03:25] <SirNapkin1334> typed it wrong sorry
[03:25] <pragmaticenigma> SirNapkin1334: Personally I have a DNS server setup on my home network, but that's a bit beyond the scope of this channel
[03:25] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: install pastebiniti then: cat /etc/hosts | pastebinit
[03:26] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: I'm not downloading a file. Please use a proper pastebin site and not a site to download files
[03:26] <SirNapkin1334> okay
[03:26] <leftyfb> sorry, the package name is pastebinit
[03:27] <SirNapkin1334> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JfYxy6xy5w/
[03:27] <leftyfb> or nc termbin.com 9999 < <(cat /etc/hosts;)
[03:27] <SirNapkin1334> I use that site because the random id for the files is short, good for typing on other computers
[03:27] <SirNapkin1334> normally it displays text files but I guess it needs to have a .txt extension for it to automatically do that
[03:27] <SirNapkin1334> this is from the laptop
[03:28] <SirNapkin1334> which fails to ping pc-napkin (the computer)
[03:28] <pragmaticenigma> SirNapkin1334: It's asked that you use termbin or paste.ubuntu.com because they are neutral and are safe from malware or trakcing
[03:28] <SirNapkin1334> yeah, I understand
[03:28] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: what sort of network is this? Do you own the router? Typically you should have the ability to ping other hosts on the same network by hostname.local
[03:28] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: but not being able to ping by ip address.... can you ping your router's ip?
[03:29] <SirNapkin1334> home network. it's my router
[03:29] <SirNapkin1334> what is the router IP again? 0.0.0.1?
[03:29] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: don't know, it's your router. You can typically find it by looking at your route: sudo route -n
[03:30] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: it'll be your default gateway with the 0.0.0.0 destination
[03:30] <SirNapkin1334> yeah I can ping 0.0.0.0
[03:30] <leftyfb> no
[03:31] <SirNapkin1334> oh, I can also ping the destination
[03:31] <leftyfb> that is not the ip address of your router. That is a catchall destination for your default route
[03:31] <SirNapkin1334> which is 10.0.0.0
[03:31]  * leftyfb sigh
[03:31] <SirNapkin1334> but when I ping it it tells me to include the -b tag, but when I do it works
[03:31] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: you have yet to ping your gateway
[03:31] <leftyfb> sop
[03:31] <leftyfb> stop
[03:31] <SirNapkin1334> oh, gateway
[03:32] <leftyfb> 1 step at a time
[03:32] <SirNapkin1334> it says my gateway is 0.0.0.0
[03:32] <SirNapkin1334> which I can ping
[03:32] <leftyfb> it does not. That is either a destination or a genmask
[03:32] <leftyfb> look at the destination of 0.0.0.0 , what is the gateway for that?
[03:33] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: sudo route -n|awk '/^0.0.0.0/ {print $2}'
[03:33] <SirNapkin1334> I am a bit confused. There is only one entry in the table. Destination: 10.0.0.0; Gateway: 0.0.0.0; Genmask: 255.255.255.0
[03:34] <SirNapkin1334> that command outputs nothing
[03:34] <SirNapkin1334> hmm
[03:35] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: then your computer is not on the network/internet
[03:35] <SirNapkin1334> i can ping google.com just fine
[03:35] <SirNapkin1334> hmmm
[03:35] <SirNapkin1334> is it because it's on a chromebook
[03:35] <leftyfb> why are we talking about a chromebook?
[03:35] <SirNapkin1334> i remember having network difficulties but seemingly solving them
[03:36] <SirNapkin1334> because I'm running ubuntu on my chromebook
[03:36] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: how was it installed?
[03:36] <SirNapkin1334> via crouton
[03:37] <leftyfb> ok, that is not full ubuntu and cannot be supported here
[03:37] <SirNapkin1334> oh
[03:38] <leftyfb> it's a chroot environment on top of chromeOS
[03:38] <leftyfb> it's basically just the filesystem of ubuntu but not the proper kernel or anything else
[03:39] <SirNapkin1334> oh, I didn't know that
[03:40] <leftyfb> that explains the broken-looking network
[03:40] <leftyfb> that's probably NAT'd
[03:40] <leftyfb> and abstracted from any hard network stack
[03:41] <pragmaticenigma> I also believe Chrome OS by default blocks all non-originating network packets at it's own firewall
[03:41] <SirNapkin1334> I let the chroot through the firewall
[03:42] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: sorry, but it's not a version of ubuntu we can support here
[03:42] <SirNapkin1334> okay. thanks, anywhere else I could go?
[03:42] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: maybe try ##linux
[03:43] <leftyfb> SirNapkin1334: though, that setup is going to get real ugly with networking
[03:43] <SirNapkin1334> okay, thanks
[06:10] <causative> what the hell, now I'm only getting 5 steps per second on https://distill.pub/2020/growing-ca/ !  At first (2 days ago) I was getting 200 steps/second, then it dropped to 25, now it's only 5
[06:10] <causative> some part of my system seems to be rapidly degrading in performance and idk what part
[06:11] <causative> ah wait a second i have an idea of at least what might have caused the 25->5 drop, bbl
[06:14] <causative> ok yeah I'm back to 20-25 steps/s after rebooting.  Think it dropped to 5 because I had initially booted to safe mode before resuming normal boot
[06:14] <causative> and there was a message that this could have interfered with certain graphics drivers
[06:16] <causative> still it's not what I want.  idk where all the performance suddenly went
[08:02] <warshrike> Hey guys
[08:02] <warshrike> does anyone know how to set different scaling for different monitors?
[08:02] <warshrike> I have one 4k and one 1080p
[08:03] <warshrike> I want 100% on one and 200% on the other
[08:03] <warshrike> there is no option to do it as changing it for one in the settings changes it for all of them
[08:03] <warshrike> playing with xrandr was inconclusive
[08:07] <doug16k> warshrike, when I tried that it screwed up fullscreen behaviour
[08:07] <doug16k> ended up with two of same resolution to sidestep it
[08:08] <warshrike> doug16k lol. I hope I don't have to do that >.<
[08:08] <warshrike> at that point one would arguably be better off just doing windoz...
[08:10] <_Myst_> need help my 2 in 1 laptop dual boot windows touch screen crashed, Had to use recover windows, now unable to boot into ubunti. I have uncecked secure boot & fast boot in efi settings. Even when i use super grub disk , ubuntu is listed & when I try all both ubuntu & advanced settings, the pcdrops to "initramfs"
[08:11] <_Myst_> suggestions please thanks in advance
[08:12] <doug16k> _Myst_, have you tried nomodeset
[08:12] <_Myst_> will  try thanks
[08:16] <_Myst_> doug16k: nomodeset already listed in recovery, & tried it after splash in "ubuntu" just hanging
[08:17] <doug16k> remove quiet and splash. you might see what it is doing right then
[08:19] <doug16k> the last thing might be telling
[08:24] <doug16k> _Myst_, boot to runlevel 3 ( https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2012/howto-change-runlevel-on-grub2/ ), it will stop short of starting the desktop
[08:24] <doug16k> then apt update and apt full-upgrade and reboot normally
[08:25] <doug16k> might want to try installing the hwe kernel from runlevel 3
[08:26] <doug16k> it might initialize stuff better
[08:26] <_Myst_> thanks doug16k
[08:26] <_Myst_> thanks doug16k:
[08:28] <wawrek> Does ubuntu use packages installed by snap? I would like to get rid of all packages installed by snap and ditch snap, at the end
[08:29] <doug16k> wawrek, why you so mad? :)
[08:30] <doug16k> why ditch snap?
[08:46] <wawrek> I find it awkward that you have 2 systems; apt and snap
[08:46] <warshrike> does anyone know why my monitor connected to xps 15 9400h is stuck on 4k30fps?
[08:46] <warshrike> I can't seem to make it go 60fps
[08:46] <wawrek> snap creates a lot of disk partitions
[08:47] <warshrike> every answer on ask ubuntu says to use xrandr
[08:47] <warshrike> but it fails in my case
[08:47] <warshrike> windows works without issue
[08:47] <wawrek> partitions named:  /dev/loop18
[08:48] <warshrike> mouse is noticeably jerky on 30 fps :/
[08:51] <warshrike> Journal Log: It is day 43 of using my monitor on 30 fps. I think I'm slowly losing my sanity as the cursor moves slowly in front of my eyes every time.
[08:52] <warshrike> Who knows? Maybe Ubuntu had this limitation built into it as a curse and punishment for the collective sins of man kind?
[08:52] <warshrike> Maybe it is destiny to suffer like this for my race?
[08:54] <Xard> I'd suspect the monitor edid might be broken
[08:55] <warshrike> Xard I tried to fix it like this:
[08:55] <warshrike> xrandr --newmode "3840x2160_60.00"  712.75  3840 4160 4576 5312  2160 2163 2168 2237 -hsync +vsyncxrandr --addmode DP-1 3840x2160_60.00
[08:55] <warshrike> xrandr --output DP-1 --mode 3840x2160_60.00^C
[08:55] <Xard> my 43" tv seems to guide all open source drivers to use 4096x2160@30 while closed nvidia drivers force proper 3840x2160p @60 with 4:4:4
[08:56] <Xard> and this is via HDMI
[08:56] <warshrike> xrandr: Configure crtc 2 failed
[08:56] <warshrike> I just get this error. I'm using displayport over usb c/tb3
[08:57] <Xard> does displayport use chroma compression?
[08:57] <warshrike> I don't think so
[08:58] <warshrike> It is well known that 4k60 works over dp on this laptop (xps 15 9570)
[08:58] <Xard> using dp over usb c is also a potential red flag
[08:58] <warshrike> these modern laptops pretty much only have usb c ports.
[08:58] <warshrike> usually dp over it works flawlessly
[09:00] <Xard> hmm... I know that 4k@60 requires at least some dp level
[09:01] <Xard> I wonder if I can check my settings even though this might not be comparable at all
[09:01] <warshrike> Xard it does work on windows 10 so I think that's not the issue...
[09:02] <Xard> it if requires additional support from drivers this can be an issue
[09:02] <_Myst_> doug16k: no luck.
[09:03] <_Myst_> nothing stored on the os of importance, so I might as well install 19:10, for a couple of months
[09:03] <_Myst_> till 20:04 is released.
[09:03] <_Myst_> hopefully this might be better than 18:04 with touch screen
[09:05] <warshrike> Xard yeah that might be helpful if you can check it
[09:05] <warshrike> just intel integrated gpu btw
[09:06] <Xard> my rpi can't get 4k@60 work with this "monitor" neither can nouveau so it might have something to do with the edid
[09:06] <Xard> I cannot trust edid but I'd need to get current modeline
[09:10] <Xard> "3840x2160"   594.00   3840 4016 4104 4400   2160 2168 2178 2250 +hsync +vsync
[09:11] <Xard> thank you "xvidtune -show"
[09:11] <Xard> it's 60.00 hz
[09:12] <warshrike> ahh
[09:13] <warshrike> should I try to change refresh rate with xvidtune?
[09:13] <warshrike> it says 'may damage monitor forever' lol
[09:13] <Xard> it's from CRT era
[09:14] <Xard> when the monitors accepted anything and the electro beam could really do that with invalid values
[09:14] <warshrike> ah makes sense I vaguely remember monitors accepting obtuse resolutions in my childhood
[09:14] <Xard> but you could try those timeings since I think mine are using less bandwidth
[09:15] <Xard> also those +hsync and +vsync can be either - or + depending from the monitor
[09:16] <warshrike> ah
[09:16] <warshrike> 3840x2160 59.98 Hz (CVT 8.29M9) hsync: 134.18 kHz; pclk: 712.75 MHzModeline "3840x2160_60.00"  712.75  3840 4160 4576 5312  2160 2163 2168 2237 -hsync +vsync
[09:16] <warshrike> I tried these vals I got from cvt 3840 2160 60
[09:17] <warshrike> no go but I'll try what you mentioned
[09:17] <Xard> those utilities are probably designed for CRT which means larger blanking areas = more bandwidth required
[09:18] <Xard> becaues you needed to give time for the beam to turn off while focusing on new row :)
[09:19] <Xard> also also you could use some windows utility to get those values which are proven to work with your monitor since I'm suspecting that the windows drivers just look the EDID and go "naah..."
[09:20] <Xard> which has been historical reason for the monitor vendors not bother testing the edid properly "if just works out of the box"
[09:22] <Xard> but then again at work we have some large 4k monitors and televisions and NONE of them work @60hz on DP or hdmi with windows 7 or 10 so go figure...
[09:24] <Xard> televisions can be tricky for various reasons (forcing bandwidth saving and all kinds of trickery to get slower hdmi to technically display something @4k)
[09:26] <warshrike> ahh makes sense
[09:27] <Xard> but monitors shouldn't be excused in this regard
[09:27] <warshrike> I tried to get values online for the monitor model: samsung u28e510d
[09:27] <warshrike> but nothing showed up...I guess I will check windows
[09:28] <warshrike> somebody should patch things on the ubuntu side though...if the windows drivers just ignore the edid and work it would make sense to have ubuntu do that as well
[09:28] <warshrike> because well monitors are designed for windows first
[09:28] <warshrike> of course that is a whole other discussion...
[09:29] <Xard> also if you get the timing values from windows you can compare them to the ones read form EDID
[09:29] <Xard> to see if the problem is there or in somewhere else in the stack
[09:30] <Xard> at least this should eliminate the timings as a source of problem
[09:59] <sparr> How might I find packages of, or build, libssl1.0.0:i386 for Ubuntu 19.10 on a 64bit system?
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> sparr: what are you trying to make work exactly?
[10:09] <JoeLlama> I have a number of older, slower machines that I want to run linux on.  Which will run faster and use few resources: lubuntu or xubuntu?
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> JoeLlama: join at #ubuntu-discuss for discussions please
[10:09] <JoeLlama> ok
[10:09] <sparr> lotuspsychje: few years old video game, when launching it complains: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:10] <sparr> also libssl.so.1.0.0
[10:10] <sparr> apparently in Ubuntu 19.10 I can get libssl1.1:i386 but the older libssl1.0.0 is only built for 64bit arch
[10:40] <vladoski> Hi guys, everytime I start my laptop, after the login, it popups a dialog with "System problem detected". Now in /var/crash there's a 21MB log file that says that GNOME is the problem. How do I know what's causing the crash?
[11:16] <ncuxo> Hey guys I have trouble with my vm. I can't ssh into it. The vm can ping out to the internet and my local lan but I can't ping it from my host pc or any other pc on my local network. What have I done wrong?\
[11:19] <rory> ncuxo: is it in virtualbox? If it's behind NAT I think need to explicitly forward the port. There's a section in Virtualbox network settings for the VM for this.
[11:21] <rory> https://i.imgur.com/CXc2dyz.png
[11:33] <ncuxo> rory: I'm usint virt-manager and on the networking options I'm on host device 'device' macvtap and source is a bridge
[11:35] <_Myst_> ubuntu dual boot laptop uefi, freh install now unable to boot from grub, windows listed. lenova, shows "prepairing automatic repair"
[11:36] <_Myst_> ubuntu boots as per normal
[12:03] <niko1990> Hello everyone
[12:05] <niko1990> I have a quick question: is it possible to set a init.d service script to be run after x is already started?
[12:10] <Battle> leftyfb if you're here, when i returned home I found this message on the KVM when the system crashed again https://prnt.sc/r6gdrc ive asked them to reconnect the KVM so i may be able to get more info but uncertain atm
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> tnx for the feedback Battle we will pass him the message
[12:14] <fritzroy15> hello, how to make it so that when running apt upgrade when provisioning a machine, it doesn't get stuck at the package configuration question regarding /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[12:14] <fritzroy15> tried this but didn't work: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive; apt upgrade -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confdef --allow-downgrades --allow-remove-essential --allow-change-held-packages
[12:15] <fritzroy15> it still stops and asks me to select between the locally installed version and the maintainer's version
[12:47] <alfatau> hi everybody. trying to get here an answare I'm not able to get on the web: having set up a software raid-1 (mdraid) with 2 disks. Should read speed be comparable to a 2-disks striped array or not? Actually I get similar performances for both reads and writes, and it appears behaving like a "master-slave" array: only the first disk appear to be
[12:47] <alfatau> used while reading. thank you in advance.
[12:49] <alfatau> *typo* - answer
[13:20] <leftyfb> Battle: gotta need to see the top of that. I would run: dmesg -Tw >> ~/dmesg.log and see if it happens again.
[13:21] <Battle> leftyfb okay
[13:23] <leftyfb> Battle: also, what kernel? Did you install the dkms package, --reinstall the hwe kernel and then see if you can boot into the new kernel with networking?
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:48] <triad> so did someone found out why ubuntu with unity crahses in about 2 weeks of uptime ?
[13:54] <nbusrone> Anyone did a p2v (convert physical OS ubuntu to virtual ) before ?
[13:54] <nbusrone> may I know what are the step using clonezilla ?
[14:19] <ubudesk> jemand erfahrung mit rsync+hetzner+ovm ?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> !de | ubudesk
[14:35] <triad> no one ?
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> triad: we cant generalize unity crashes for everyone, please ask your specific question to the channel with all your details
[14:56] <Psi-Jack> One cannot simply upgrade from 18.04 directly to 19.10, can they? Have to go 18.10, 19.04, 19.10, correct?
[14:56] <Psi-Jack> or, just install 19.10 directly from a new install, of course.
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Psi-Jack, yup
[14:58] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, considering if that is worth it. Two things on this tabtop currently do not work. The fingerprint reader, and the microphone. Everything else seems working great.
[15:05] <BluesKaj> Psi-Jack, fwiw my laptop fingerprint reader doesn't work either
[15:05] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I realize that's still hit/miss.
[15:06] <Psi-Jack> I do gotta say, to some extent, I really do like what Ubuntu has done with their remodelling of Gnome.
[15:07] <Psi-Jack> For touch-screen easier use, however... I'm thinking I might need to change the titlebar sizes of windows, because on a 14" screen, they're kinda hard to specifically touch. :)
[15:07] <funabash1> Helllo all, can anyone please help me to get my USB drive work?
[15:08] <EriC^^> funabash1: what's the problem?
[15:10] <kenperkins_> @Psi-Jack I meant to ask yesterday what laptop you were on? I've finally gotten the OS installed, considering looking at other kernels today as I have no bluetooth still
[15:11] <Psi-Jack> I have a Lenovo Yoga C740-14IML
[15:11] <kenperkins_> so continuing from yesterday; how do I troubleshoot the lack of a bluetooth adapter? my chipset has it built in (AC 9560)
[15:19] <spread12> im following this tutorial to setup a new unbuntu server https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/initial-server-setup-with-ubuntu-18-04
[15:19] <spread12> my root is setup to login with a ssh key
[15:20] <kenperkins_> does the ac 9560 use the same driver for wifi and bluetooth?
[15:20] <funabash1> EriC^^: i cant see it in fdisk -l
[15:20] <spread12> im not on digital ocean for this server. The tut says they put the ssh key in root's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys but i only have ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2
[15:21] <spread12> when i copy ~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 to the new users directory, logging in with the roots ket tot hat user does not work
[15:21] <spread12> when i try (open up putty, type the 2nd users name when prompted), it says key not accepted and asks for a pw, even though none is setup
[15:22] <spread12> i can only login as root
[15:22] <kenperkins_> you need the public key you want to login with in the authorized_keys of the user you want to login with. if you're logging in to root, it would be root@<ip> with /root/.ssh/authorized_keys where the key is. If you're using a different user, it needs to be in %HOME%/.ssh/authorized_keys for that user
[15:23] <kenperkins_> i.e. /home/ubuntu/.ssh as an example
[15:24] <resoluti0n> hi
[15:25] <Psi-Jack> kenperkins_: Hmmm...
[15:25] <spread12> kenperkins_: my hosting provider put the roots key in authorized_keys2 - and it works for root
[15:26] <spread12> logging in with the key via ssh that is
[15:26] <Psi-Jack> Aha! HERE WE GO. That problem with the multiple onscreen keyboards is BACK.
[15:27] <kenperkins_> tbh, I didn't even know that authorized_keys2 was a thing; apparently before OpenSSH v3, that was for DSA/RSA keys for SSH protocol 2
[15:27] <kenperkins_> https://marc.info/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=100508718416162&w=2 deprecated in 2001? :D
[15:27] <jeremy31> kenperkins_: the wifi and bluetooth use different drivers
[15:28] <kenperkins_> @jeremy31 awesome. Ok that's at least good information; I tried dmesg bluetooth, and saw nothing, perhaps just not installed?
[15:28] <jeremy31> kenperkins_: post URL from terminal for>  lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:29] <spread12> kenperkins_: lol, well my 16GB Intel W3520 dedicated server is only 20 euros a month
[15:29] <spread12> but its ubuntu 18
[15:29] <resoluti0n> I tried to update one of my PC to ubuntu 20.04. Unfortunately, I cannot logon into a X or a Wayland session after the upgrade has completed and the PC has been rebooted. Is this a know issue and is there a known solution or workaround for it?
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> resoluti0n: #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 support
[15:30] <kenperkins_> http://termbin.com/4oqv
[15:31] <resoluti0n> lotuspsychje: ok thx, I will ask there instead..
[15:31] <jeremy31> kenperkins_: Are you sure it has the bluetooth?
[15:31] <Psi-Jack> https://i.imgur.com/jooZDcR.png
[15:31] <Psi-Jack> See that is what I'm dealing with randomly, lately. TWO onscreen keyboards popping up. And I only want one, onboard.
[15:34] <kenperkins> power just flapped :( jeremy31 it should per here https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/wireless/wireless-products/dual-band-wireless-ac-9560.html
[15:34] <EriC^^> funabash1: try typing "dmesg -w" in a terminal then plug it in
[15:34] <kenperkins> it says integrated bluetooth
[15:34] <EriC^^> look for messages, also you could try "udevadm monitor" and plug it
[15:36] <jeremy31> kenperkins: It should have showed in lsusb results with an 8087 ID
[15:37] <kenperkins> yes, I see now that the bluetooth is via usb, even though wireless is via pci, interesting
[15:39] <jeremy31> kenperkins: Intel usually makes a few models with the same model number, some with BT and some without
[15:39] <kenperkins> per mfgr specs it 100% has it, but I'm going to reboot into bios
[15:39] <kenperkins> and look for something
[15:39] <Psi-Jack> So, how in the world do I get Gnome's own onscreen keyboard to stop coming up, and keep onboard? The gnome one is too minimal, it does funky things with windows like completely moves them around, and I can't stand it. It's not a good keyboard.
[15:39] <jeremy31> kenperkins: it could be disabled in BIOS
[15:41] <Psi-Jack> That would be odd... But I doubt it, too. lsusb, likely shows the Bluetooth adapter on the Intel combo card.
[15:44] <kenperkins> that was it @jeremy31, disabled in bios :(
[15:46] <Psi-Jack> Really? Bluetooth was disabled in BIOS?
[15:46] <kenperkins> yes, there was a security tab that allowed access to bluetooth, and it was set to disabled :(
[15:46] <kenperkins> I need a mouse asap, this touchpad is not my favorite
[15:46]  * Psi-Jack blinks.
[15:46] <Psi-Jack> I'm... Blown away with how annoying that is.
[15:51] <Psi-Jack> Anyway. Anyone know anything about the Gnome keyboard, and how to fully disable it?
[15:53] <scientes> sarnold, will Ubuntu officially support libpam-u2f?
[15:53] <scientes> because when i configured it myself, I could still log in on VT2 with a password
[15:53] <scientes> so i really need someone else to audit a configuration that works
[15:53] <scientes> like fprintf is supported
[15:54] <spread12> how can i check if ssh allows password auth (im already logged in to ssh via key)?
[15:54] <scientes> spread12, /etc/openssh/sshd_config
[15:54] <scientes> spread12, /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[15:55] <spread12> thanks
[16:03] <WoC> is it still possible to find the 18.04 for amd64, not the 18.04.4
[16:05] <kenperkins> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/18.04.0/ ?
[16:05] <WoC> ty, need it for rocm
[16:13] <WoC> do i need to do anything special to disable any and all updates/upgrades ?
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> I don't believe upgrade install automatically unless you configure them to
[16:14] <WoC> seem like any kind of changes/updates will cause rocm to fail ;P
[16:16] <WoC> hopefully the weather doesn't change...
[16:16] <CompleteNoob> Hello everyone. My first time here. I'm a complete Linux newbie, trying to do some work on a Ubuntu VM I've set up, and am struggling with some of the commands I've been asked to follow on a website. Wondering if anyone has a little time to help me? Thanks in advance.
[16:17] <fructose> CompleteNoob: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[16:17] <WoC> CompleteNoob, I'm sure someone will help ;)
[16:17] <pragmaticenigma> Since this channel works to help users keep their Ubuntu systems running, I think you can understand why helping you disable the things that protect a system and keep it running would be something volunteers here aren't too keen on assisting with. Plenty of websites on the web can help with that
[16:18] <pragmaticenigma> CompleteNoob, This is a support channel for troubleshooting and supporting issues that occur within Ubuntu. If you're not experiencing a technical problem, it would be better to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:18] <CompleteNoob> Thank you.
[16:21] <pragmaticenigma> fructose, there is a macro from the bot you can trigger with "!ask"
[16:22] <fructose> pragmaticenigma: Is the bot documented somewhere?
[16:22] <pragmaticenigma> !msgthebot | fructose
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> fructose, there is also this webpage, but it is not always the most up-to-date: https://ubottu.com/
[16:23] <fructose> pragmaticenigma: Thanks
[16:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Lovely. I installed xubuntu-desktop on my tabtop, and now I cannot login to lightdm, with either onscreen keyboard (doesn't show up), nor actual tabtop keyboard.
[16:28] <Psi-Jack> ptah: That's rather noisy.
[16:28] <nbusrone> Anyone did a p2v (convert physical OS ubuntu to virtual ) before ?
[16:29] <ptah> no noise here
[16:30] <kenperkins> ARGH my apt-mark hold failed to pin my kernel, and now I'm back at 5.3.0-40 and have lost network
[16:30] <kenperkins> is there a better way to force kernel version to stick?
[16:31] <Psi-Jack> I do that from grub itself.
[16:31] <leftyfb> kenperkins: the apt-mark should work. What did you mark exactly? What version are you trying to stick with?
[16:31] <kenperkins> leftyfb: I ran `sudo apt-mark hold linux-5.3.0-18-generic and linux-headers` (same version)
[16:31] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: grub is a poor way of doing it. Eventually, kernels will be upgraded and removed and grub will boot one that is left
[16:31] <kenperkins> can't remember the exact package names  offhand
[16:31] <Psi-Jack> True.
[16:32] <leftyfb> kenperkins: that package name is pretty important
[16:32] <kenperkins> sec
[16:32] <kenperkins> let me look at history
[16:32] <Psi-Jack> For me, grub was a quick way to verify through last-used stickiness, that the kernel was the issue with my WiFi not working. :)
[16:32] <kenperkins> `apt-mark hold linux-image-5.3.0-18-generic linux-headers-5.3.0-18-generic`
[16:33] <leftyfb> kenperkins: do you have linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 installed?
[16:33] <Psi-Jack> But, now my tabtop is broken and can't login because I tried to install xubuntu and now can not login. LOL. (well, maybe an external keyboard will work...)
[16:34] <emi71> Hi, I've a trouble with Brother MFC-j491dw. Printer is ok, but scanner don't work (with simplescan). I have used driver brsaneconfig4 following brother procedure
[16:34] <Psi-Jack> Wow.. No, not even an external keyboard works.. what in the..
[16:34] <leftyfb> kenperkins: also linux-image-generic
[16:35] <leftyfb> kenperkins: btw, ubuntu 18.04 is up to 5.3.0-41... have you tried that?
[16:36] <kenperkins> was that yesterday? I tried install yesterday and was on 0-40
[16:36] <Psi-Jack> Ohh? -41 is out?
[16:36] <kenperkins> (both 180404 and 1910)
[16:36]  * pragmaticenigma goes to update systems and fingers crossed not crash them
[16:36] <leftyfb> it's from proposed which I have enabled
[16:36] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh
[16:36] <leftyfb> sorry :)
[16:37] <leftyfb> kenperkins: but maybe worth a try?
[16:37] <funabash1> Hi I have installed lubuntu yesterday. and now when i turn it on my password doesnt work.. really strange
[16:37] <leftyfb> kenperkins: also, what network chipset do you have that's failing? Are you sure it's because you don't have the linux-modules package installed?
[16:38] <leftyfb> funabash1: re-install, type your password correctly, or boot with a live cd, chroot and change the password
[16:38] <kenperkins> @leftyfb Intel AC9560
[16:39] <funabash1> leftyfb do you know any guide for chroot it?
[16:40] <leftyfb> funabash1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCdRecovery#Lost_Password
[16:40] <emi71> Hi, I've a trouble with Brother MFC-j491dw. Printer is ok, but scanner don't work (with simplescan). I have used driver brsaneconfig4 following brother procedure
[16:40] <kenperkins> ah, so automatic updates clearly ignored apt-mark hold
[16:41] <leftyfb> kenperkins: do you have linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 installed?
[16:42] <leftyfb> kenperkins: apt-mark did not fail. Your linux-image-5.3.0-18-generic package did not update.
[16:42] <kenperkins> hm. fail might be the wrong way of saying; I understood that if I set apt-mark hold that it wouldn't install a newer kernel; perhaps I misunderstood what I was actually doing?
[16:42] <leftyfb> kenperkins: do you have linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 installed?
[16:43] <kenperkins> re: installed images, I now have 5.3-0-18-generic and 5.3.0-40-generic installed, as well as linux-image-generic
[16:43] <leftyfb> kenperkins: do you have linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04 installed?
[16:43] <kenperkins> I do not
[16:43] <kenperkins> sorry, was searching
[16:43] <leftyfb> kenperkins: what version of ubuntu?
[16:43] <kenperkins> 19.10
[16:43] <leftyfb> oh, that's why
[16:44] <funabash1> leftyfb: when i type wrong pssword it says incorrect password. when i type real one it get black and comes back to login page
[16:44] <leftyfb> kenperkins: you need to hold linux-image-generic
[16:44] <leftyfb> funabash1: ok, then that's not a password problem. Try re-installing ubuntu
[16:44] <kenperkins> what does the hwe package do?
[16:45] <leftyfb> kenperkins: nothing for non-LTS versions of ubuntu like 19.10
[16:45] <funabash1> leftyfb: very stable .
[16:45] <leftyfb> kenperkins: I assumed you were on 18.04
[16:45] <kenperkins> I had tried 18.04 yesterday and had the same 5.3.0-40 problem with regards to my wifi chipset not loading firmware
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[16:46] <leftyfb> kenperkins: in the case of 18.04, then you would mark linux-image-generic-hwe-18.04
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> leftyfb: But, same question, on the hwe.. Since I was(am?) running 18.04
[16:46] <leftyfb> kenperkins: you need to hold linux-image-generic
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> Ahh.
[16:46] <leftyfb> !hwe | Psi-Jack
[16:46] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh.
[16:47] <funabash1> leftyfb: what about rescue mode?
[16:48] <leftyfb> funabash1: do you know how to fix the issue
[16:48] <emi71> someone can help me?
[16:48] <leftyfb> !patience | emi71
[16:49] <emi71> leftyfb: ok
[16:51] <leftyfb> funabash1: if you don't know how to fix what the issue is, rescue mode isn't going to help you. We could spend hours going back and trying to sort out what you might have changed or what went wrong since you installed ubuntu yesterday or you could spend 5 minutes to reinstall ubuntu and go from there
[17:02] <emi71> Brother MFC-J491dw : printer work but scanner don't work (with simplescan). I have used the official procedure from Brother to install driver. someone can help me?
[17:04] <makara> hi. Sometimes my wifi turns off complete. I see in dmesg "wlp2s0: failed to remove key". Firstly, how do I get it back online without restarting my machine?
[17:06] <jeremy31> makara: in terminal try>  systemctl restart network-manager.service
[17:09] <oerheks> emi71,  is your user member of lpadmin ?  'groups' would show it
[17:09] <oerheks> if not, add yourself: sudo usermod -a -G lpadmin <username>
[17:09] <oerheks> logout, login agian
[17:10] <leftyfb> oerheks: I don't think lpadmin is going to affect scanning abilities
[17:11] <oerheks> oops, scanner group?
[17:12] <emi71> oerheks: what command I must try?
[17:12] <oerheks> emi71, typ 'groups' in terminal, and post that one line here?
[17:13] <emi71> emiliano adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin scanner sambashare(emiliano is my user)
[17:14] <oerheks> oke, you are member of the scanner group
[17:14] <oerheks> odd ..
[17:15] <emi71> the strange thing is that brsaneconfig4 (Brother utility) it seems recognize the scanner
[17:15] <emi71> but simplescan don't work
[17:16] <kenperkins> ok, so I've installed an ubuntu build mainline kernel, what's the best way to identify if there are any systemic problems with a machine?
[17:18] <emi71> https://pastebin.com/wnvmktQ7, result about brsaneconfig4 -q
[17:19] <tomreyn> kenperkins: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_stress_test
[17:19] <emi71> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dHsBwK9WrW/
[17:20] <emi71> result of brsaneconfig4 -q
[17:21] <emi71> 3 entry for 1 devices? it's strange
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> emi71, Some scanners do not work over a network connection in linux, you might have to plug it directly into the computer
[17:26] <oerheks> pragmaticenigma, good spot ..
[17:29] <tomreyn> MFC-J491DW is listed as a compatible model for brscan4-0.4.8-1
[17:30] <tomreyn> don't miss these preparatory procedures / checks: https://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=us_ot&lang=en&prod=mfcj491dw_us_eu_as&faqid=faq00100548_001
[17:31] <emi71> tomreyn: ok, and where I can download it? I can't find this version
[17:31] <tomreyn> emi71: https://support.brother.com
[17:33] <tomreyn> you wrote "I have used the official procedure from Brother to install driver.", if this didn't provide you with a .deb of brscan4 0.4.8-1 then i would not agree with this statement.
[17:35] <funabash1> I have instlled vitualbox with apt-get install. But i cant find in the start menu ?
[17:36] <imbroken> probably can just type "virtualbox" into terminal
[17:36] <oerheks> funabash1, after install, you might need to reboot?
[17:36] <imbroken> that too
[17:36] <oerheks> dkms must be loaded
[17:36] <funabash1> oerheks: i need a reboot when i install a program? really!?
[17:37] <oerheks> it is not just 'a programm'..
[17:39] <tomreyn> your system user needs to be a member of the vboxusers group. if you can make "group" report that's the case without rebooting and you have virtualization support enabled then that's probably sufficient.
[17:39] <oerheks> the virtualbox starter should be in your menu too
[17:42] <emi71> tomreyn: thanks. it was incorrect version of driver I think. for strange reason inserting the correct model of my scanner the brother site, redirecting to work version.....I've solved thanks!
[17:43] <emi71> not work version, wrong version
[17:44] <tomreyn> glad you worked it out.
[17:47] <Kharec> 'evening
[17:49] <lotuspsychje> welcome Kharec
[17:57] <katadelos> I've got a usb displaylink touchscreen where I'm able to get video output but no touch events, any ideas? I'm getting a load of kernel errors when I plug it in
[18:22] <nbusrone> Anyone did a p2v (convert physical OS ubuntu to virtual ) before ?
[18:28] <makara> jeremy31: sheesh, sorry got distracted. Thanks I'll try that
[18:35] <kenperkins_> ok, so continuing to work on my laptop; the ubuntu built mainline kernel (5.5.5.) worked great with my wifi and track pad, but no sound, trying to understand what version of alsa 1.0.25+dfsg really is, considering that alsa is currently on 1.2.2
[18:40] <ducasse> nbusrone: first hit on google - https://askubuntu.com/questions/308897/convert-ubuntu-physical-machine-to-virtual-machine
[18:43] <dbugger> Hi everyone
[18:43] <dbugger> I am looking into buying a blueetooth adaptar for my PC, and I was wondering if anyone has suggestions for a good one, that is Ubuntu-compatible
[18:44] <ramsub07> hello. i'm using a screen and to scroll up in the current screen, I tried to use ctrl+a and then escape button. however, a different session was launched. I still can see the process alive inside the screen but I am unable to see the process running when i get inside the screen again using screen -d -r 'screenname'
[18:45] <ramsub07> (i'm not sure if this is the right place to ask for help, if not please let me know where i can ask)
[18:45] <pragmaticenigma> dbugger, for recommendations and suggestions, please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:45] <dbugger> Right, thanks
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> ramsub07, you might have started a new screen window
[18:47] <ramsub07> pragmaticenigma i checked using screen -ls but couldn't find
[18:47] <ramsub07> find*
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> ramsub07, Not a new screen instance... but rather "new window" inside the same screen session
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> ramsub07, launch the screen session, then press "Ctrl + a, n" for next window
[18:47] <ramsub07> i suspect so, how to see that?
[18:48] <ramsub07> ah yes
[18:48] <ramsub07> apparently it's inside ctrl + a, 1 and the one i was in was ctrl + a 3
[18:48] <ramsub07> it switched between 2,3 when i used ctrl + a to switch. I hence thought it was killed. thanks!
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> you're welcome
[18:50] <nbusrone> ducasse :  VMware vCenter Converter does not support for old installation.
[18:51] <ducasse> nbusrone: then you need to get support from vmware
[18:52] <nbusrone> ducasse :  vmware does not support.The only way is through .img the physical drive using img software.
[18:55] <bleb> i just installed zfsutils-linux and ran modprobe zfs
[18:56] <bleb> when i connect my zfs external hd, the volume shows up on the desktop, and when i click it it says unknown filesystem type 'zfs_member'
[18:56] <bleb> running zpool import shows no zpools available to import
[18:56] <bleb> anything i should try?
[19:00] <kenperkins_> trying to understand why my screen scaling resets every reboot, any ideas?
[19:33] <alnr> after ubgrading xenial to bionic, i'm met with this error doing things like apt:   Unsafe symlinks encountered in /var/log/journal/xxxx.  I tried removing everything under /var/log/journal but the offending folder gets recreated. any ideas what is going on here?
[19:39] <ioria> alnr, no idea, never seen; might be a permission issue
[19:42] <alnr> weird, /root and /var were both owned by postfix. at some point i had done systemctl disable postfix and enable (as root)
[19:43] <ioria> alnr,  not good;    stat -c "%U %G" /
[19:44] <alnr> aaand, chgown on those two made everything work !?
[19:44] <ioria> alnr,  chown you mean
[19:44] <alnr> yes
[19:45] <alnr> almost pure guesswork, there were hits about /root getting the owner changed
[19:46] <tatertots> bleb: has it EVER worked on that computer in the past?
[19:53] <kenperkins> can you install 20.04 pre-release?
[19:57] <oerheks> sure you can find the 20.04 lts beta iso
[20:00] <pmitros> I have Ubuntu 18.04LTS. At some point when 4k monitors first came out, I bought one. I mounted by four 1080p monitors around it. Graphics performance was abysmal. If I scroll in my web browser, you can see the screen refreshing. Videos don't play. Now that 4k is pretty mainstream, and 16MP isn't obscene resolution, it seems like I ought to be able to make it work well. I'm looking for some advice.
[20:01] <pmitros> I have a pair of GT630 graphics cards, which were among the first/cheapest cards to support 4k. I'm running nouveau, not just because I like open source, but because the proprietary driver is buggier.
[20:02] <pmitros> I'm wondering if (a) there is some way to debug nouveau performance (b) if I need to / should upgrade my graphics cards
[20:03] <pmitros> Someone recommended the AMD 5700 XT, a bleeding edge card which can drive 8 monitors. I've seen mixed reports online about Ubuntu compatibility.
[20:04] <pmitros> I also know 20.04 is just around the corner. I'm not sure if that will improve anything with the half-decade-old GT630, or with 5700 XT compatibility.
[20:04] <oerheks> that gt630 may be a minimum, sure you can run 5 monitors on that?
[20:04] <pmitros> oerheks: I have two of them, and yes I can.
[20:05] <pmitros> oerheks: One is driving the 4k and a 1080p, and another is driving 3 more 1080p
[20:05] <pmitros> oerheks: It's been working that way for five years, just with very poor performance.
[20:06] <pmitros> oerheks: It doesn't bug me for most of what I do -- it's fine for xterms and emacs -- but I figured in 2020 I ought to be able to fix it.
[20:06] <pmitros> oerheks: The only thing which really does bug me is web page scrolling is visibly slow.
[20:06] <oerheks> i think the speed of that 630 will no be fixed, go shopping for a better gpu
[20:08] <pmitros> oerheks: Shopping for a better GPU is kind of why I came here. I'm not sure which one to buy. If I spend money, I'd want to know it will definitely work without problems.
[20:08] <oerheks> make sure your system mobo can handle it, pciX version is important hre.
[20:08] <pmitros> oerheks: One thing I like about the 630GT is it's fanless, so silent. The 5700XT turns its fans off when not too loaded, so it's the same thing.
[20:11] <pmitros> Motherboard is an Asus Z87-A, it looks.
[20:12] <pmitros> So it's PCIe 3.0
[20:12] <pmitros> I have no idea what that means for graphic card.
[20:12] <pmitros> Intel i7 4770s CPU, and 32GB RAM
[20:13] <oerheks> yes
[20:13] <pmitros> Does that have any compatibility issues?
[20:13] <oerheks> i see at this page, xt 5700 +1962% to the gt630 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-630.c816
[20:14] <oerheks> make sure the gpu is pciexpress 3 too
[20:14] <pmitros> Well, I'm looking at 2d performance, not 3d. So I'm not quite sure it translates like that. I think the problem was 4k was bleeding edge when the GT630 came out.
[20:15] <pmitros> But it might also be a config issue
[20:16] <pmitros> 5700 XT is PCIe 4.0. But I thought they were backwards-compatible.
[20:16] <oerheks> oh good spot .. i think it drops performance
[20:17] <oerheks> not enough lanes..
[20:18] <pmitros> So will the 5700 XT work with (a) the motherboard (b) Ubuntu?
[20:18] <oerheks> b, ubuntu
[20:19] <oerheks> the bottleneck is your mobo
[20:20] <raub> join #freecad
[20:20] <raub> Oops
[20:20] <pmitros> I mean, I'm not trying to play Call of Duty, just run Firefox smoothly and watch videos on Youtube.
[20:22] <oerheks> i think a nvidia 1050 is pcie 3.0
[20:22] <oerheks> yes
[20:24] <pmitros> https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/c0v8hv/could_you_use_the_upcoming_rx_5700_gpus_with_pcie/ claims it'll work fine
[20:25] <oerheks> 'GPU will work without any issue or performance drop on 3.0' == false claim
[20:26] <oerheks> reddit is not a true source for me
[20:26] <SwedeMike> when I read about this 5700 was 16x and 5500 was 8x, so 5500x has performance drop with pci-e 3.0 but not 5700x ?
[20:30] <pmitros> Be back in a little bit.... Getting called away from computer.
[20:58] <johnfg> hi folks!
[20:59] <johnfg> Where would be the best place to address an issue that pam is causing?  Not a critical, but an annoying issue.
[21:00] <johnfg> Quite sure it's narrowed down to either the krb5 pam module, or the afs pam module.
[21:01] <johnfg> This is what's written to standard error after I run `sudo -i` and enter my password: groups: cannot find name for group ID 1095928326
[21:03] <Psi-Jack> Well, here we go, with the same problems. Gnomes virtual keyboard being a nuisance all over.. :/
[21:10] <hans_> wtf, installer's dd doesn't understand iflag=fullblock ? isn't that 1 of the most important flags for dd?
[21:10] <hans_> well, 18.04's installer anyway
[21:15] <jayjo> what's the best way to encrypt something using AES 256 and then distributing the password out of band to unencrypt the file? Is there a way to do this for not to technical users, like to distribute a vpn client certificate?
[21:17] <Psi-Jack> Okay.. Wow... The only way to block gnome'
[21:18] <Psi-Jack> ... block gnome's OSK (on-screen keyboard), is a js extension, which blockcaribou exists, but only exists for 3.24.1, so you have to modify the extension, pack it and install it to make it see the current version. wow.
[21:19] <oerheks> Psi-Jack,  iirc, there is a gnome extention plugin for that
[21:19] <Psi-Jack> Yes. blockcaribou, which only has a version for 3.24.1.
[21:20] <oerheks> i see 3.26.1
[21:20] <Psi-Jack> YOu have to manually download it, adjust the metadata.json, gnome-extensions pack, and gnome-extensions install, before it'll actually work.
[21:20] <oerheks> yeah, it is a burden, else uninstall karibou?
[21:20] <Psi-Jack> It's not installed. That's the thing.
[21:24] <ducasse> jayjo: not really an ubuntu issue, try #security or check !alis
[22:31] <eelstrebor> since thunderbird is no longer supported by  mozilla, what's a suitable substitute?
[22:46] <dax> thunderbird's still supported by mozilla.
[22:48] <dax> it's currently operated by a subsidiary of Mozilla Foundation, so it has more independence than it used to, but it still uses all the same infrastructure etc.
[22:48] <s3nd1v0g1us> how can i reset my login screen background if ubuntu.css is missing? or is it located somewhere else in 19.04?
[22:50] <RonaldsMazitis> how to disable suspend on close in xfce?
[22:51] <RonaldsMazitis> settings does not work
[22:51] <xskyz> i heard thunderbird will get updates more frequently in future
[22:51] <xskyz> and more ppl should work on it also
[23:00] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, isn't there a way, with xorg (not wayland), to get 3 and 4 finger gestures to work on the touchpad?
[23:00] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: You might be using libinput
[23:00] <krytarik> s3nd1v0g1us: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/3.29.90-2ubuntu1 - the specific 'ubuntu.css' got removed here.  But also, 19.04 is end-of-life for about a month now, and you should switch to a supported release.
[23:01] <Psi-Jack> Okay?
[23:02] <Psi-Jack> 4-finger gestures works on the screen itself. :)
[23:02] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: what result from terminal for> grep -i "Using input driver" /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:03] <s3nd1v0g1us> sorry 19.10
[23:03] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. There is no Xorg.0.log./
[23:03] <s3nd1v0g1us> but which file do i edit for the login screen background image? gdm3.css? krytarik
[23:04] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: try in terminal and log out and back in after>  sudo apt install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[23:05] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: if it doesn't help do>  sudo apt remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[23:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. That... didn't change anything on the touchpad side of things.
[23:08] <Psi-Jack> I do know it's capable of it, and worked in some of my tests before. Because I was surprised, 4-finger swipe switched gnome desktops, and I was like, niiiice.
[23:11] <Psi-Jack> This, BTW, is Ubuntu 19.10 currently.
[23:13] <GoodTimesImmort> hello room
[23:15] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: you had the Intel 9560 wifi, correct?  Did the backports get it working with 5.3.0-40?
[23:15] <Psi-Jack> With build 40? No that doesn’t work.
[23:17] <Psi-Jack> On 18.04.4, 28 build is the last functional build, while on 19.10 the 18 build works, 40 does not.
[23:17] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: so you have Intel wifi?
[23:18] <Psi-Jack> I do
[23:18] <Psi-Jack> 9560 I believe is correct. I can double check when I go back inside. Dogs
[23:21] <Psi-Jack> Yes, 9560.
[23:22] <oerheks> Psi-Jack, iirc did you try backport-iwlwifi? post from jeremy31 https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2432901
[23:23] <Psi-Jack> An no, I hadn't tried that.
[23:24] <Psi-Jack> jeremy31: Is that for 18.04 or 19.10, or both?
[23:24] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: it should cover most if not all versions
[23:24] <oerheks> all, up to focal
[23:25] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-hwe-team/+archive/ubuntu/backport-iwlwifi
[23:25] <Psi-Jack> Well, I'll try it, if it helps. ;)
[23:26] <jeremy31> The only downside to it is that you can't use a USB wifi device as the backports don't support anything other than Intel
[23:27] <Psi-Jack> Oh, hmmm..
[23:28] <Psi-Jack> That's a huge downside, but, not one that I'd likely have an issue with, personally, if it's just USB Wifi.
[23:28] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: but if you need to use a USB wifi, just have to uninstall the backports-iwlwifi
[23:31] <Psi-Jack> Any other ideas on the 4-finger touchpad thing?
[23:32] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: not from me, I am more of a wifi/bluetooth specialist
[23:32] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[23:32] <Psi-Jack> Will me testing out the backports help Ubuntu development of the current issue? ;)
[23:32] <oerheks> the suggestion earlier libinput sounds familiar
[23:33] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's likely using libinput. But, there's no Xorg.log to verify with that I can currently see. heh
[23:33] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: If the backports work, it can help quite a few while an Ubuntu kernel fix os worked on
[23:35] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, backports-iwlwifi-dkms, or just backports-iwlwifi?
[23:35] <oerheks> "Extended Gestures extension currently works only with Wayland"  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1034624/touchpad-gestures-in-ubuntu-18-04-lts
[23:35] <Psi-Jack> oerheks: Ahhhh.
[23:35] <Psi-Jack> That explains why I think I saw it working. Fedora uses Wayland by default.
[23:35] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: backports-iwlwifi-dkms, the PPA might be the better choice
[23:36] <oerheks> there is an other answer there..
[23:36] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I added the PPA.
[23:37] <s3nd1v0g1us> sorry i was disconnected.
[23:37] <s3nd1v0g1us> so which file on 19.10 do i edit to alter the login background image? gdm3.css, gnome-shell.css? both say DO NOT EDIT.
[23:37] <Psi-Jack> oerheks: Interesting.
[23:37] <Psi-Jack> xdotool tricks. :)
[23:39] <oerheks> s3nd1v0g1us, yes it says do not edit, but that is the only way to reach out there, edit /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/ubuntu.css
[23:39] <Psi-Jack> 5.3.0-40-generic and WiFi is working.
[23:39] <oerheks> no tweak tool that does the trick
[23:39] <Psi-Jack> jeremy31: :thumbsup"
[23:39] <Psi-Jack> jeremy31: 👍
[23:39] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: good
[23:39] <s3nd1v0g1us> there is no ubuntu.css
[23:39] <Psi-Jack> Used that PPA and the backports-iwlwifi-dkms. :)
[23:40] <Psi-Jack> kenperkins: ^^ https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2432901
[23:40] <jeremy31> Psi-Jack: Good that Intel doesn't let us down
[23:40] <Psi-Jack> Intel does make good WiFi. :)
[23:41] <Psi-Jack> Not great CPUs.... But really good NPUs! :)
[23:41] <oerheks> s3nd1v0g1us, `then tell us more, waht linux version?
[23:42] <s3nd1v0g1us> 19.10
[23:42] <Psi-Jack> Well, that's Ubuntu version, Not Linux version.
[23:42] <s3nd1v0g1us> there is only gdm3.css  gnome-shell.css  Yaru in /themes/
[23:45] <s3nd1v0g1us> debian?
[23:46] <oerheks> standard ubuntu 19.10 with gnome3 certainly has ubuntu.css
[23:46] <s3nd1v0g1us> i dont know what to tell you. its not there.
[23:47] <s3nd1v0g1us> i was presuming that i should alter gdm3.css
[23:47] <s3nd1v0g1us> instead
[23:47] <s3nd1v0g1us> but there is also gnome-shell.css
[23:47] <Psi-Jack> oerheks: 19.10 does not have an ubuntu.css
[23:47] <Psi-Jack> In that path.
[23:47] <s3nd1v0g1us> or should i make an ubuntu.css file?
[23:48] <s3nd1v0g1us> ah
[23:48] <oerheks> we seem to give good answers that does not work for you, check out #debian?
[23:48] <s3nd1v0g1us> you referred to a file that does not exist on my system...
[23:49] <s3nd1v0g1us> im asking which other file would i therefore edit?
[23:49] <Psi-Jack> besides, editing /usr/share/gnome-shell/themes/*.css, or anything there, would be bad, instead one would copy/edit into their own home directory properly, no?
[23:53] <oerheks> then the theme is for that user only, ~/.themes
[23:53] <oerheks> no, i don't understand there is no ubuntu.css, must be a derivate or something
[23:53] <Psi-Jack> No... It's not.
[23:54] <coffeeGhost> I keep getting the same Thinkpad firmware update in Ubuntu Software and I keep updating it and then it reboots and it seems like it's applying but then in Ubuntu Software the same update says it's available/not installed.
[23:54] <Psi-Jack> oerheks: I'm on Ubuntu 19.10. In the path mentioned, /usr/share/gnome-shell/themes/ there is no ubuntu.css.
[23:54] <s3nd1v0g1us> is there a solution to replacing my black login screen?
[23:55] <Psi-Jack> There is, however,  /usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ubuntu-dock@ubuntu.com/ubuntu.css
[23:55] <s3nd1v0g1us> ah ha...
[23:55] <Psi-Jack> I just did a find / -name ubuntu.css 2>/dev/null ;)
[23:55] <oerheks> ohh? okje, on yaru, i find: /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/Yaru/gnome-shell.css
[23:56] <Psi-Jack> Yes, there's a gnome-shell.css for sure. :)
[23:56] <s3nd1v0g1us> so edit the ubuntu.css file then Psi-Jack?
[23:56] <oerheks> s3nd1v0g1us, sorry i was wrong
[23:57] <Psi-Jack> I'm not really the one to be asking about Gnome css files, overall. :)
[23:57] <sarajevo1> Hey there. I'm trying to chmod 0755 a directory and it's not working
[23:57] <sarajevo1> I'm logged in as root and using sudo
[23:57] <Psi-Jack> I was just trying to make it understood and confirmed that ubuntu.css didn't exist. ;)
[23:57] <s3nd1v0g1us> who might know which is the correct file to edit to replace my login screen?
[23:57] <oerheks> learned something today, also one can  modify the file /etc/alternatives/gdm3.css also.
[23:58] <Psi-Jack> s3nd1v0g1us: gdm3.css I believe would be the one for /login/ screen.
[23:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> will that replace my login screen oerheks?>
[23:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> oh ok
[23:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> ill edit that
[23:58] <Psi-Jack> Good luck. :)
[23:58] <oerheks> make a copy first..
[23:58] <oerheks> and have fun!