[06:08] <brobostigon> morning
[07:28] <zxmoypi> o/
[07:50] <brobostigon> o/
[16:10] <Chunkyz> Nou.
[16:10] <Chunkyz> We ready for the new Ubuntu yet?
[16:15]  * Laney has the bunting and special new pants
[17:48] <daftykins> o09
[17:48] <daftykins> -9
[17:49] <daftykins> cor la, local ISP has uncapped the speeds on a client's 5G test device now
[17:49] <daftykins> 270Mb download
[17:49] <daftykins> saw 28MB/sec snagging an ubuntu ISO
[17:50] <penguin42> nice, how much do you pay for that?
[17:51] <daftykins> he's on a free trial right now, so nothing
[18:00] <penguin42> it's something I'm keeping my eye on, cable is getting expensive, starting to be flaky and it's upload bandwidth is poor
[18:00] <daftykins> mmm always was a big weakness, saw that when researching Virgin Media for the same client's London pad
[18:01] <daftykins> the trial appears to be using 4G for upload right now, so i only saw 20Mb up
[18:01] <penguin42> BT are starting to roll out real fibre - and it's stopping a few 100 metres down the road on this roll out
[18:02] <daftykins> to properties or just to street cabinets? a friend in Exeter seemed to be able to get the new G.fast VDSL services at his address
[18:03] <penguin42> to properties
[18:03] <daftykins> hmm funky
[18:03] <penguin42> G.300 is available to a lot of cabs here - but not ours :-(
[18:05] <daftykins> :(
[18:05] <daftykins> there we go, Zen.co.uk offers him 300/45 Mb for £60/mo
[18:05] <daftykins> that'd be lovely
[18:07] <penguin42> I'm paying just over £40 for 100/6 on  VM; I don't need any more, I'd like it to be less flaky though
[18:07] <penguin42> and it seems a lot for that now
[18:07] <daftykins> do you find it matches the student terms at all? :D improving when they're gone
[18:08] <penguin42> no I don't think so; I'm on the other side of the city from the universities
[18:08] <daftykins> ah i suppose it's big enough they get diluted out amongst the area
[18:11]  * penguin42 should measure his usage to see how the 5G plans would work out - I see one or two of the providers listing us as covered
[18:12] <daftykins> the only thing is he's only getting good service because his property has line of sight to the main town tower - and maybe 150m as the crow flies tops from it
[18:12] <daftykins> it's still insanely variable depending on weather, so i'd stick to fixed line services for consistency
[18:13] <daftykins> although he can only get 40/5 Mb there due to his bad line
[18:13] <penguin42> DSL here is only about 10/1
[18:14] <daftykins> wow that must be some serious line length
[18:14] <penguin42> and they can't be bothered - there's not enough people on this cab for them to upgrade it to VDSL
[18:15] <daftykins> mmm, i imagine that's often the case with cable areas
[18:15] <daftykins> where i had that house in Portsmouth, the overhead pole based phone lines looked like they'd be pretty terrible
[18:16] <penguin42> nod, but also one side of our street is a park, so the problem is there aren't as many houses on the road
[18:16] <daftykins> ah i see
[18:17] <daftykins> just for curiosity's sake, what do you get offered from Zen's postcode checker? https://www.zen.co.uk/
[18:17] <penguin42> daftykins: 3.5-7.5Mbps
[18:18] <daftykins> ouch!
[18:18] <penguin42> I'm pretty sure Zen are in our exchange as well; the problem is since our streetbox is a dumb bundle of wires ~1km away there's not much to do
[18:19] <daftykins> yeah, that's a shame
[18:19] <daftykins> i'm on a 500m pair that runs direct to the exchange, so the 60/10 i'm on now is the best i'll see
[18:20] <penguin42> nod
[18:20] <penguin42> and lets face it that's pretty much fine - unless you're doing serious video stuff
[18:21] <daftykins> double the upload would be nice for my home Nextcloud instance, but yeah it does the job :D
[18:21] <penguin42> I mean a apt get completes in no time at 60
[18:21] <daftykins> could certainly be a lot worse, like my rural US friend on satellite with his 10GB/month data cap
[18:22] <penguin42> oh, that's unusual for the US; you find bits of the US with cable broadband with no running water
[18:23] <daftykins> hehe yeah, he reckons he's just seen fiber laid to the roadside up on the main drag, but he's a few hundred metres down a kinda more private farm track, as he's renting on a farmer's land
[20:14] <zxmoypi> i believe what you do if a cabinet doesn't receive the latest broadband is pay a few rowdy teenagers to nick a jcb and obliterate it and when it's replaced it gets all new shiny gear :-P
[20:15] <daftykins> xD
[20:16] <penguin42> zxmoypi: The problem is it's at the end of the road, not nicely spaced along the road
[20:17] <daftykins> someone drove into a friends cab actually, engineers had to run it from batteries for a while whilst they repaired its' supply... he had 2 outages a day as the batteries were swapped over
[20:18] <penguin42> haha
[20:20] <zxmoypi> needed a bigger vehicle to hit it... :-P
[20:20] <zxmoypi> better luck next time
[21:59] <penguin42> hmm, so has BBC Freeview red button actually stopped working - it was supposed to at the end of Jan but then after protects they stopped that - but it seems to have happened