| duflu | Trevinho, hi(?), it seems you landed on the wrong page/date: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-team-updates-monday-17th-february-2020/14395/14 | 02:45 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:09 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 07:10 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 07:10 |
| jibel | bonjour à tous | 07:12 |
| jibel | didrocks, if I read it well, the zsys MIR has been approved | 07:13 |
| jibel | \o/ | 07:13 |
| didrocks | jibel: yes! It seems to be the case, both on the bug and trello card! | 07:14 |
| didrocks | hey oSoMoN | 07:14 |
| jibel | i didn't look at the card | 07:16 |
| jibel | Laney, are you looking at the build failure of desktop images of focal? | 07:17 |
| jibel | I reported bug 1864608 to track it | 07:17 |
| ubot5 | bug 1864608 in livecd-rootfs (Ubuntu) "Focal desktop images fail to build with: error: cannot validate seed: cannot use snap XXX base "core18" is missing " [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864608 | 07:17 |
| oSoMoN | salut jibel | 07:26 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN, jibel and anyone I missed | 07:26 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 07:26 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 07:29 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 08:08 |
| duflu | Hi seb128 | 08:09 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, how are you today? | 08:09 |
| duflu | seb128, headache but not too bad. You? | 08:09 |
| seb128 | duflu, the day is only starting here but I'm good so far :) | 08:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, congrats on getting the zsys MIR finally approved :) | 08:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah! Now, we can do a final round of testing before releasing what we have and wire up with the installer | 08:12 |
| Wimpress | Morning o/ | 08:30 |
| duflu | Morning Wimpress | 08:32 |
| didrocks | good morning Wimpress | 08:34 |
| seb128 | hey Wimpress, how are you? | 08:40 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, I think you forgot the monday rls-bugs discourse topic? | 08:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, jamesh, tkamppeter, weekly summary reminder | 08:44 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, oh, and you | 08:44 |
| oSoMoN | salut seb128 | 08:55 |
| oSoMoN | good morning Wimpress | 08:55 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, salut, comment ça va aujourd'hui ? | 08:56 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, nuit agitée pour cause de bébé malade, mais sinon ça va | 08:56 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, :-(, bon courage, en espérant que ça aille mieux ce matin! | 08:56 |
| oSoMoN | ça va déjà un peu mieux, merci | 08:57 |
| seb128 | c'est déjà ça | 08:57 |
| Wimpress | Morning seb128. I'll post the rls-bugs shortly. | 08:58 |
| marcustomlinson | morning duflu didrocks oSoMoN jibel seb128 and Wimpress | 08:58 |
| marcustomlinson | :) | 08:58 |
| seb128 | Wimpress, thanks | 08:58 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson, how are you today? | 08:59 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: bleh :P | 08:59 |
| didrocks | hey marcustomlinson | 08:59 |
| marcustomlinson | nah, alright thanks, yourself? | 08:59 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, I'm good thanks, could have used more sleep but that's often the case right? :) | 08:59 |
| marcustomlinson | gonna miss you guys next week :/ | 08:59 |
| seb128 | we are going to miss you as well! | 08:59 |
| duflu | Morning marcustomlinson | 08:59 |
| Laney | moin | 09:02 |
| marcustomlinson | hey Laney | 09:02 |
| Laney | seb128: AH thanks I started writing that yesterday but got distracted by uploading gnome stuff and forgot to do it | 09:02 |
| Laney | you summary police | 09:02 |
| duflu | Morning Laney | 09:02 |
| Laney | do you like go and tick off the list or something? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | hey Laney | 09:02 |
| seb128 | :p | 09:02 |
| Laney | do it for the rls bugs too? | 09:02 |
| seb128 | see backlog :) | 09:02 |
| seb128 | but yeah, for people not updating, good point | 09:03 |
| seb128 | I think the rls thing doesn't work great atm, that's on my list of topic to discuss next week | 09:03 |
| Laney | well if everybody ignores something then yes by definition it's not working | 09:04 |
| Laney | would be the same for team updates if nobody did that | 09:04 |
| Laney | jibel: today's image built | 09:05 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 09:06 |
| jibel | Laney, thanks | 09:07 |
| Laney | moin marcustomlinson duflu and didrocks too | 09:07 |
| jibel | is there a know issue with snapd.seeded.service failing to start on focal and blocking default.target? | 09:08 |
| seb128 | not known by me at least | 09:08 |
| seb128 | brb, changing location | 09:10 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: I think I've found a relatively clean way of doing these snap transitions in update-manager now | 09:41 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, ah, nice! | 09:41 |
| Trevinho | duflu: indeed I did, thanks :P | 09:42 |
| marcustomlinson | (I think I just needed to sleep on it) | 09:42 |
| seb128 | hey Trevinho, how are you? | 09:43 |
| Trevinho | hi seb128 all good :) | 09:43 |
| Trevinho | yourself? | 09:43 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, glad that you got unblocked, I hadn't forgotton you but the morning tend to be busy | 09:43 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I'm good! | 09:44 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: np! thanks for the shoulder to cry on last night | 09:45 |
| marcustomlinson | I'll shout if I get stuck again | 09:45 |
| duflu | Morning Trevinho ;) | 09:46 |
| Trevinho | hi duflu | 09:46 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the gnome-clocks-master snap fails to build because it wants glib 2.58 and the one it gets (from the platform?) is too old | 10:09 |
| seb128 | ricotz, hey, is there any chance you could look at the indicator-keyboard build issue? I reported https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/issues/456 to pango upstream but got no reply, but we will need to get it rebuilt with the new gnome-desktop soname now so I wonder if there is any easy change we can do on the indicator side to restore build | 10:16 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 456 in pango "Gir error, symbol PangoFc could not be found" [Opened] | 10:16 |
| ricotz | seb128, this pango issue looks the same as https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/issues/458 | 10:21 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 458 in pango "Gir: no type defined for hb_feature_t" [Opened] | 10:21 |
| seb128 | ricotz, ah, thanks ... so we need harfbuz and pango updates in Debian/Ubuntu then I guess? | 10:28 |
| ricotz | seb128, no, the easiest is to add some metadata for PangoFT2-1.0 to indicator-keyboard | 10:31 |
| ricotz | nonetheless those gir deps need to be fixed in pango upstream | 10:31 |
| ricotz | I will try to take a look later | 10:32 |
| seb128 | ricotz, thx | 10:39 |
| kenvandine | seb128, I have a build of clocks that uses the new build snap, just waiting for the gnome-3-34 extension to land | 11:00 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, weekly summary done. | 11:02 |
| ricotz | seb128, it is a pango meson bug | 12:07 |
| ricotz | seb128, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1132106 | 12:08 |
| ricotz | so the generated PangoFc-1.0.gir is not fully correct | 12:09 |
| ricotz | seb128, https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/pango/-/commit/63c3eb8b7aa6ee9397c1d89a232514583f464fb5 | 12:27 |
| Laney | tracker's crashing on current isos :'( | 13:13 |
| Laney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tracker-miners/+bug/1864153 | 13:14 |
| ubot5 | Error: ubuntu bug 1864153 not found | 13:14 |
| jibel | on focal in general, not only the iso | 13:25 |
| jibel | I got this crash after this morning's update | 13:25 |
| Laney | believable | 13:25 |
| jibel | didrocks, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1864651 | 13:30 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1864651 in snapd (Ubuntu) "snap.seeded.service never finishes loading and blocked multi-user.target" [Undecided,New] | 13:30 |
| seb128 | ricotz, thanks! | 14:02 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, unsure if you noticed but Locutusofborg fixed your sane-backends build, see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/1.0.29-0ubuntu5 | 14:22 |
| seb128 | jamesh, kenvandine, weekly status update? | 14:23 |
| kenvandine | seb128: sorry... I could have sworn I did that on friday! | 14:25 |
| kenvandine | maybe I posted it to the wrong week :) | 14:25 |
| hellsworth | good morning desktopers | 14:26 |
| oSoMoN | good morning hellsworth | 14:26 |
| hellsworth | hi oSoMoN ! | 14:26 |
| seb128 | hey Heather! how are you? | 14:27 |
| hellsworth | hi seb128 , i'm pretty good. you? | 14:27 |
| seb128 | jibel, you should probably flag that issue to the snapd team if that hasn't been done yet | 14:27 |
| seb128 | hellsworth, I'm great, thanks! :) | 14:27 |
| marcustomlinson | hey hellsworth | 14:27 |
| marcustomlinson | hellsworth: so did a simple rebuild of lo for arm64 do the trick? | 14:28 |
| hellsworth | it was still going when i stopped working yesterday so lemme go check | 14:28 |
| seb128 | k, it's meeting time | 14:30 |
| seb128 | #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-02-25 | 14:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Tue Feb 25 14:31:00 2020 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 14:31 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 14:31 |
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| seb128 | Roll call: didrocks (out), duflu (out), hellsworth, jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 , tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out) | 14:31 |
| hellsworth | o/ | 14:31 |
| marcustomlinson | \o | 14:31 |
| oSoMoN | \o | 14:31 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, don't move so far to the right! | 14:32 |
| seb128 | k, let's get started | 14:32 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-bb-bugs | 14:32 |
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| kenvandine | o/ | 14:33 |
| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:33 |
| seb128 | no desktop item | 14:33 |
| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:34 |
| seb128 | nothing interesting there, either old/incomplete bugs or the nm ones we still didn't sort out (probably going to be easier to do in Frankfurt now) | 14:34 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-ee-bugs | 14:34 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:35 |
| seb128 | nothing for desktop | 14:35 |
| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ee-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:35 |
| seb128 | nothing interested there | 14:35 |
| seb128 | #topic rls-ff-bugs | 14:35 |
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| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 14:35 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calculator/+bug/1797734 | 14:36 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1797734 in gnome-calculator (Ubuntu) "slow calculator startup" [High,Confirmed] | 14:36 |
| seb128 | I need to talk to duflu about champagne use... | 14:36 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I guess just an untag for that one? | 14:36 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 14:36 |
| marcustomlinson | agreed | 14:36 |
| marcustomlinson | not as important if it's no longer seeded | 14:36 |
| seb128 | bug #1864127 | 14:37 |
| ubot5 | bug 1864127 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "apparmor denies ~/snap/chromium/ writes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864127 | 14:37 |
| oSoMoN | I need to look into that one | 14:37 |
| seb128 | I don't think there is enough data to convince me to rls track for now | 14:37 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, should we just assign to you for investigation and revisit next week once you looked? | 14:38 |
| oSoMoN | from a very cursory look, it sounds like a problem of the snap refreshing while running | 14:38 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, I don't think assigning is even needed, I have the tab open and I'll request more info | 14:39 |
| seb128 | right | 14:39 |
| seb128 | ack | 14:39 |
| seb128 | bug #1864260 | 14:40 |
| ubot5 | bug 1864260 in mozjs60 (Ubuntu) "TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864260 | 14:40 |
| seb128 | looks like that was fixed, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs60/60.8.0-2ubuntu4 | 14:40 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 60 in Baz (deprecated) "buildcfg should be runnable from anywhere" [Wishlist,Won't fix] | 14:40 |
| oSoMoN | (not that I mind being assigned, but it might give a false impression that I'm acknowledging the bug before even being convinced that it's an actual problem) | 14:40 |
| seb128 | I'm closing it | 14:40 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, right | 14:40 |
| seb128 | bug #1864274 | 14:41 |
| ubot5 | bug 1864274 in firefox (Ubuntu) "crunchy pixels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864274 | 14:41 |
| seb128 | I will ask for details on this one | 14:41 |
| oSoMoN | or I could do it, but thanks for the offer :) | 14:42 |
| Laney | accept then? | 14:42 |
| seb128 | Laney, I'm a bit lost of what to do from the champagne to be honest, I don't think the intend there was to raise it as a rls bug ... so yeah, I probably say rls-not-fixing? | 14:43 |
| seb128 | hopefully we can have a proper cross team discussion about those next week | 14:44 |
| seb128 | Laney, also it just reminded me I forgot to review/comment on your email draft, sorry about that! | 14:44 |
| seb128 | so -1 from me for that one/ rls-ff-notfixing | 14:44 |
| seb128 | other opinions? | 14:44 |
| Laney | it is sort of the intent but you've argued against that multiple times now so I don't think you are minded to accept it being done this way | 14:45 |
| Laney | maybe you want to take over proposing a process from me | 14:45 |
| hellsworth | can we just evealuate it after the reporter provides more details/video? | 14:46 |
| seb128 | let's discuss later (probably next week?) | 14:46 |
| hellsworth | sgtm | 14:46 |
| kenvandine | good topic for the sprint | 14:46 |
| seb128 | I've asked for details | 14:47 |
| seb128 | right | 14:47 |
| hellsworth | i saw that | 14:47 |
| seb128 | let's move on | 14:47 |
| Laney | I personally think it's fine to assign to someone and let them close it if necessary | 14:47 |
| Laney | that's a valid outcome | 14:47 |
| kenvandine | I agree | 14:47 |
| hellsworth | i agree with Laney | 14:47 |
| seb128 | so assign & untag? | 14:47 |
| seb128 | or tag not-fixing? | 14:48 |
| hellsworth | assign & untag | 14:48 |
| hellsworth | or just assign | 14:48 |
| seb128 | if we 'just assign' it's stay on the list and we see it again next week | 14:48 |
| hellsworth | but you ask the assignee to do simething with it before then | 14:49 |
| hellsworth | whether tag or close or w/e | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | if we leave it tagged we can keep track of the status of all champagne bugs as they are being worked | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | dunno | 14:49 |
| seb128 | right | 14:49 |
| hellsworth | also, i'm the new kid so this is my naive perspective :) | 14:49 |
| seb128 | we are not likely to solve that today, let's ignore the issue for another week I say | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | i'd say assign and leave tagged | 14:49 |
| seb128 | let's do that for this week | 14:50 |
| * Laney shrugs | 14:50 | |
| seb128 | Laney, don't shrug too much, I think I'm just being lost on what the process should be for case that need info | 14:50 |
| seb128 | or maybe it's obvious and no-enough-info -> not ready to be rls accept -> notfixing | 14:51 |
| hellsworth | we should have champagne with our champagne discussion next week 🎉 | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | +1 | 14:51 |
| seb128 | anyway I don't want to make everyone waste time because I'm confused | 14:51 |
| hellsworth | i think you're not the only one that's confused about how this tag should be used seb128 | 14:51 |
| oSoMoN | yeah, definitely not the only one | 14:52 |
| hellsworth | so it's not wasting time to discuss it but we can better discuss it in person next week | 14:52 |
| seb128 | right | 14:52 |
| seb128 | that's an agreement | 14:52 |
| seb128 | moving on from that discussion until next week then! | 14:52 |
| Laney | better ignore my proposed email then | 14:52 |
| seb128 | bug #1864577 | 14:52 |
| ubot5 | bug 1864577 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu Focal) "Ubuntu logo is not displayed in the 'About' Pane" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864577 | 14:52 |
| seb128 | it's minor but I think it's a regression | 14:53 |
| hellsworth | i think we should fix it | 14:53 |
| seb128 | I would tend to vote +1 | 14:53 |
| hellsworth | +1 | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | definately +1 | 14:53 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, assigned to Robert is fine? | 14:53 |
| hellsworth | looks like low hanging fruit | 14:53 |
| kenvandine | yes | 14:53 |
| seb128 | thx | 14:53 |
| seb128 | http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 14:55 |
| seb128 | k, nothing interesting there, the exif one is to close, nm is known, and the last one we discussed | 14:56 |
| seb128 | #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:56 |
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| seb128 | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages | 14:56 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you want to do it or should I keep that for now since I'm still active on dealing with issue for the time being? | 14:57 |
| Laney | you can | 14:57 |
| seb128 | k | 14:57 |
| seb128 | sooo | 14:57 |
| seb128 | long list of things blocked on icu | 14:57 |
| seb128 | + now poppler and gnome-desktop transitions started | 14:58 |
| hellsworth | icu was a dependency on many of these yesterday and was triggering a LO test that was failing because of a copy timeout in the build runner | 14:58 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, are you looking at the xorg-server issues? | 14:58 |
| * Trevinho wonders if icu would change also mozjs tests... | 14:58 | |
| Trevinho | (not for this though) | 14:58 |
| seb128 | bubblewrap/libcap is being handled, there a mp upstream now | 14:58 |
| hellsworth | laney has increased the copy time and that improved things but the LO arm64 test was failing in a way that a retrigger has fixed for other tests so it has been retriggered and everyone cross your fingers | 14:59 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozjs60/60.8.0-2ubuntu4 was a simple fix needed for mozjs60, dunno for 68 | 14:59 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 60 in Baz (deprecated) "buildcfg should be runnable from anywhere" [Wishlist,Won't fix] | 14:59 |
| hellsworth | its weird that this list in update_excuses doesn't say that they depend on icu anymore.. | 14:59 |
| seb128 | hellsworth, http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/libr/libreoffice/focal/arm64 has failed retries from today ... | 14:59 |
| Trevinho | ok we've that already | 15:00 |
| seb128 | yeah, I think the fact they stated what they were blocked on was a new improvement | 15:00 |
| seb128 | unsure what happened/if they rolled back or if it broke for some reason | 15:00 |
| seb128 | I will investigagte, it was useful info | 15:00 |
| seb128 | anyway | 15:00 |
| seb128 | out of those issues, we are good | 15:01 |
| hellsworth | seb128: right and the last failure that ran for 12h is what i'm looking at. that uicheck test has failed in other tests if you scroll down - glib and python - in both cases a rerun fixed it. | 15:01 |
| seb128 | we really need an owner for gscan2pdf/arm, so please take the card if you want to volunteer | 15:02 |
| seb128 | otherwise we will probably assign someone this week | 15:02 |
| seb128 | it's block xorg-server and now the sane-backends update | 15:02 |
| seb128 | and that's it for proposed migration | 15:03 |
| seb128 | #topic AOB | 15:03 |
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| seb128 | a remainer that ff is this week | 15:03 |
| Laney | yes | 15:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, go! | 15:03 |
| Laney | Trevinho: do you want to describe the gjs bug situation? | 15:03 |
| Trevinho | yeah | 15:03 |
| seb128 | (while you do that, I state again that we could use help on GNOME updates) | 15:04 |
| Trevinho | so... gjs moved to use mozjs68, gnome-shell depends on latest gjs so we had to upgrade the whole stack. Now, gjs proved to be a bit unstable while doing garbage-collection | 15:04 |
| Trevinho | so we may have a bit more crashes... | 15:04 |
| Trevinho | now, there's a WIP mr that aims to improve the situation and we included in debian | 15:05 |
| Trevinho | but still there are reports of crashes, so updating to .35 would imply a more unstable desktop till we don't fix gjs | 15:05 |
| tjaalton | seb128: yes? | 15:05 |
| Laney | https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/issues/301 | 15:05 |
| Trevinho | now... What to do? wait for the fix to land before going .35 or not? | 15:05 |
| gitbot | GNOME issue 301 in gjs "Various GNOME Shell crashes during GC, mozjs68 regression" [1. Bug, 1. Crash, Opened] | 15:05 |
| Trevinho | thanks L | 15:05 |
| hellsworth | when do you think the fix will land? | 15:06 |
| Trevinho | personally, from random usage I didn't see many issues, but.... | 15:06 |
| Trevinho | hellsworth: no clear idea, probably we may have to get the hands dirty to get a proper fix as upstream has not found a final solution yet | 15:06 |
| Trevinho | to help* | 15:06 |
| hellsworth | imho, i would take the safer route and wait to include .35 until the fix lands, while also trying to get it landed. | 15:07 |
| seb128 | Laney, Trevinho, what's your gut feeling? | 15:07 |
| hellsworth | and by i, i mean you :) | 15:07 |
| Trevinho | as said, we included https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/-/merge_requests/396 but not complete yet | 15:07 |
| seb128 | can we update gnome-shell without updating gjs? | 15:08 |
| Trevinho | hellsworth: yeah, well... we should go past FF; so... better people to know it. | 15:08 |
| Trevinho | seb128: we *may*. | 15:08 |
| seb128 | I should have added 'easily' | 15:08 |
| Trevinho | yeah, it's quite easy in fact | 15:08 |
| seb128 | I would either do that | 15:09 |
| Trevinho | we may have two choices, go with gjs 1.93.. smth, I mean the one before mozjs68 | 15:09 |
| Trevinho | *OR* just cherry-pick the required change that the shell depends on | 15:09 |
| * Trevinho blames himself for it xD | 15:09 | |
| seb128 | or update including mozjs68 and use a block-proposed to stop it migrating until it gets more testing/a proper fix | 15:09 |
| Trevinho | so using mozjs60 is still possible for a bit, but I *WON't*m suggest it for the lts, as we'd loose all the point-releases support. | 15:10 |
| Trevinho | plus ability of cherry-picking changes from upstream | 15:10 |
| seb128 | right, I wouldn't suggest that enough | 15:10 |
| seb128 | but we need to get gnome-shell some testing | 15:11 |
| seb128 | so if it's easy I would do a first landing with mozjs60 | 15:11 |
| seb128 | and then go for 68 and block that in proposed | 15:11 |
| seb128 | enough->either | 15:11 |
| seb128 | other opinions? | 15:11 |
| Trevinho | ok, so let me try if we can just get the gjs patch out with the current gjs we've in ubuntu, and then we can try to move to the latest | 15:11 |
| Trevinho | it should be simple enough | 15:12 |
| seb128 | k, that has my vote as step1 then | 15:12 |
| Laney | probably ok, but testing random combinations of stuff isn't great as a rule | 15:12 |
| seb128 | right | 15:13 |
| Trevinho | Laney: isn't a random combination in this case, because the fact is that the only reason why new gjs is needed, is because a JS definition, nothing else | 15:13 |
| seb128 | we should move to the new version whenever possible | 15:13 |
| Trevinho | but move on as soon as possible is indeed better. | 15:13 |
| seb128 | but meanwhile there is value getting some testing of the new serie | 15:13 |
| Laney | it is random, because gnome doesn't expect you to use parts of their old release and parts of the new one | 15:13 |
| seb128 | seeing new feature, potential UI/behaviour changes etc | 15:13 |
| Trevinho | but being gjs just an interpreter, and being js always the same lang, there should not be any problem | 15:13 |
| Laney | k | 15:14 |
| seb128 | your call | 15:14 |
| Trevinho | given I'm the one who bumped that requirement upstream, I can define it not random :) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | I think getting the update based on 68 blocked in proposed should be fine as well | 15:14 |
| seb128 | :-) | 15:14 |
| seb128 | Laney, Trevinho, you got what you wanted from the discussion for now? | 15:14 |
| Laney | sure | 15:15 |
| Trevinho | but as you guys prefer, I mean, I'm ok with leaving a crashing desktop xD, but then I don't want to hear anybody at FRA blaming for it | 15:15 |
| Laney | we can do it | 15:15 |
| Laney | no guarantees though, that's likely to be a pretty untested combination | 15:15 |
| seb128 | I would advice against having an update with a known crasher landing in focal proper | 15:15 |
| Laney | like nothing says you don't require some other fix in the new gjs for new shell | 15:15 |
| seb128 | for the reason you just stated | 15:16 |
| Laney | but it might or even is likely to be ok | 15:16 |
| seb128 | right | 15:16 |
| Trevinho | Laney: unless I missed something, no... Or we can actually use the *expected* version as I said, so 1.63.2 (mozjs60 based) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | well let's block in propose and do a round of in team testing first | 15:17 |
| Trevinho | that wouldn't be random, but the one upstream requires | 15:17 |
| Trevinho | so, as you guys prefer. But just a patch could be enough imho. | 15:17 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, you are the mainainer (upstream & downstream), do what you believe is the best :) | 15:18 |
| seb128 | k, enough on that for now, we can keep discussing after the meeting if needed | 15:18 |
| seb128 | any other topic? | 15:18 |
| seb128 | I do another round of reminders | 15:18 |
| seb128 | - we could use extra hands for GNOME updates | 15:18 |
| seb128 | - ff is thursday, land your features! | 15:19 |
| Trevinho | - Signup at https://trello.com/b/z29JJK3q/gnome-336 for GNOME packaging :) | 15:19 |
| Trevinho | - https://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/desktop-packages.html to see what's missing | 15:20 |
| seb128 | lets wrap on that note then! | 15:20 |
| seb128 | thx for the urls Trevinho :) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | #endmeeting | 15:20 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Tue Feb 25 15:20:56 2020 UTC. | 15:20 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-02-25-14.31.moin.txt | 15:20 |
| Trevinho | seb128: could you look into libgusb update or should I? Given that it helps with libfprint (not sure the changes you had to do for testing was caused by that) | 15:22 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I can have a look | 15:23 |
| seb128 | you are busy enough | 15:23 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, also please look at your query, unsure what's going on without IRC client :) | 15:23 |
| Trevinho | seb128: just too many notifications everywhere... And now, signal! :( | 15:26 |
| jdstrand | oSoMoN: fyi, I commented on https://launchpad.net/bugs/1864127 | 15:27 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1864127 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "apparmor denies ~/snap/chromium/ writes" [Undecided,New] | 15:27 |
| didrocks | during MIR meeting -> doko | apparently, desktop just asking kernel for a take over on -devel ;p | 15:28 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you know what this is about? I’m out of context | 15:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I would guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-ucm-conf/+bug/1862776 | 15:28 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1862776 in alsa-ucm-conf (Ubuntu) "[MIR] alsa-ucm-conf & alsa-topology-conf (b-d of alsa-lib)" [High,New] | 15:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, which would be funny seeing that doko opened the bug and he's the one who assigned to Kernel Packages | 15:29 |
| didrocks | yeah, I’m requested to review it now | 15:29 |
| didrocks | apparently | 15:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I guess that's what you get for trying to be nice and help other teams, I should have let it to be completed by the kernel team | 15:30 |
| didrocks | I don’t have slots for doing it before next week though | 15:30 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, no hurry, but also feel free to bounce back from taking it, it's not a desktop item, it's a hwe one | 15:34 |
| seb128 | didrocks, oem teams want those to support new hardware | 15:34 |
| didrocks | I guess I can have a look, but not timely for FF | 15:34 |
| oSoMoN | jdstrand, ack, thanks! that's my suspicion too | 15:38 |
| seb128 | bah | 15:40 |
| seb128 | e-d-s fails to build with | 15:43 |
| seb128 | 'dh_girepository: Could not find ICalGLib-3.0.typelib dependency' | 15:43 |
| seb128 | ricotz, ^ any idea about that one? ;) | 15:44 |
| Laney | seb128: do you have the new libical-dev? | 15:45 |
| Laney | there was something like that that I fixed a couple of weeks ago | 15:45 |
| * ricotz suspects a broken ical install too | 15:46 | |
| seb128 | Laney, oh, the update is blocked in proposed | 15:47 |
| seb128 | thx for pointing that out | 15:47 |
| Laney | yeah, icu :( | 15:47 |
| k_alam | seb128: Hi, u there ? | 16:23 |
| === alan_g_ is now known as alan_g | ||
| k_alam | seb128: I have made few unity merges here. Can you review ? | 17:16 |
| k_alam | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1863584 | 17:19 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1863584 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Drop gnombg for background drawing" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:19 |
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