[17:07] <erges> hello,is anybody there?
 Here’s a screwball question: is anyone running kodi under lubuntu on a pi4?
[20:32] <Noboru55> Hello everybody!
[20:33] <wxl> hey
[20:33] <Noboru55> when i connect the usb to my iphone, i get mount-doubling. two foldes with name pictures and two folders with documents
[20:34] <wxl> oh no not an i-thing
[20:34] <Noboru55> it does not happen to xfce or ubuntu, only in lubuntu
[20:34] <wxl> what version?
[20:34] <Noboru55> lol
[20:34] <Noboru55> 18.04
[20:34] <wxl> sigh
[20:34] <Noboru55> i am sorry for iStuff
[20:34] <wxl> well i'm going to give you the bad news
[20:34] <Noboru55> okay
[20:34] <wxl> it's clearly an issue with the file manager, which is a component of lxde
[20:34] <Noboru55> i was thinking about galaxy bold anyway
[20:34] <wxl> lxde really hasn't seen any development in years
[20:34] <wxl> once we hit april next year, we will stop supporting 18.04
[20:35] <wxl> (which is good because lxde isn't getting any updates anyways)
[20:35] <wxl> so you can file a bug on this if you want, but chances are you're not going to see it fixed
[20:35] <wxl> try lxqt instead
[20:35] <Noboru55> the 19.10 ?
[20:35] <wxl> at least there, if there is a problem, we can file a bug and it will get fixed!
[20:35] <wxl> yep
[20:35] <Noboru55> can i explain why i am 18.04?
[20:36] <wxl> sure
[20:37] <Noboru55> first i had xubuntu installed, so i liked the 18.04, i tried the 19.10 but for some reason my xubuntu 19.10 works slowly, like, when copy or move files, everything get stuck,, and i do not know, its weird slow here, so i was using the 18.04...   after some tests i decided to try lubuntu 18.04 and its faster than anything.. it works better for my
[20:37] <Noboru55> cpu too
[20:37] <wxl> right so couple things about that
[20:38] <wxl> 1. xubuntu and lubuntu aren't the same XD
[20:38] <Noboru55> so i am a little afraid to try lubuntu 18.10
[20:38] <wxl> xubuntu is probably slower because of changes within xubuntu
[20:38] <Noboru55> but the kernel is not the same?
[20:38] <wxl> it never really was a "lightweight" desktop environment and it's been bloating up over the years
[20:38] <Noboru55> mmmm
[20:38] <wxl> the kernel is the same but the likelihood of the kernel making your system run slower is practically zero
[20:38] <Noboru55> right
[20:39] <Noboru55> so.. lubuntu 19.10 will get support till ? 2023?
[20:39] <wxl> 2. lxqt has not shown itself to be significantly larger in footprint than lxde
[20:39] <Noboru55> omg. the lubuntu 18.04 took me a week to be working as i wish...  all visual style and other things
[20:40] <wxl> but even if you can show a difference, the difference exists because lxde is using an outdated toolkit (gtk2). lxqt was created because when trying to port to gtk3, it was WORSE in more ways than one than qt
[20:40] <Noboru55> i got it
[20:40] <Noboru55> last question
[20:40] <wxl> there's some other considerations:
[20:40] <Noboru55> could i change pcmanfm for thunar ?
[20:41] <Noboru55> i meant in 19.10
[20:41] <wxl>  * we don't support upgrading 18.04 to any other version because of the huge difference in not only the desktop environment but because of all the applications. i'd recommend a full re-install
[20:41] <Noboru55> because in 18.04 it is a problem
[20:41] <Noboru55> i will
[20:41] <Noboru55> going to download right now
[20:41] <Noboru55> thanks for open my eyes
[20:41] <wxl>  * though 19.10 has a relatively limited support window (it's not an lts), you can easily upgrade to the lts that's due in april
[20:42] <Noboru55> ahhh
[20:42] <Noboru55> did not know it
[20:42] <Noboru55> its good
[20:42] <wxl>  * the current lubuntu paradigm (lxqt and mostly qt apps) will be supported indefinitely
[20:42] <Noboru55> its 19.04
[20:42] <Noboru55> no 19.10
[20:42] <wxl>  * lxqt upstream is very, very active, so bug fixes happen quickly
[20:42] <wxl> are you on lubuntu.net?
[20:42] <wxl> cuz that's not out website :/
[20:42] <wxl> they're always outdated
[20:42] <Noboru55> https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[20:43] <Noboru55> really ?
[20:43] <wxl> look at the topic
[20:43] <Noboru55> lol
[20:43] <wxl> or wikipedia, or distrowatch, or ubuntu.com, or… etc etc etc
[20:43] <wxl> the only place you will see lubuntu.net mentioned is in blindly doing web searches
[20:43] <Noboru55> https://lubuntu.me/
[20:43] <wxl> you should write them and tell them to take their stupid, confusing website down
[20:43] <Noboru55> now i see the 19.10
[20:44] <wxl> they won't listen to me, but maybe from an actual user who's confused it would be given the consideration it deserves
[20:44] <Noboru55> 1,6 gb downloading
[20:44] <Noboru55> alright i will write
[20:44] <wxl> anywho i'm not sure i answered it but you can swap out file managers
[20:44] <wxl> the only consideration is that you might be dragging in a bunch of unnecessary dependencies to find that file manager
[20:44] <wxl> s/find/install/
[20:45] <Noboru55> in 18.04 i tried to purge pcmanfm and installl thunar, but when i click the right buttom on the desktop i did not see anymore the desktop preferences option, only a openbox menu
[20:45] <Noboru55> that was really weird
[20:45] <wxl> i would personally suggest dolphin since i know it's based on qt
[20:45] <Noboru55> pcmanfm is part of the lubuntu i guess
[20:45] <wxl> i wouldn't recommend removing one, but install a second one
[20:46] <Noboru55> i will do some tests before to download other filemanager
[20:46] <Noboru55> is dolphin lightweight?
[20:46] <Noboru55> i have a dual core processor ... 4gb ram ddr3 but 512mb video shared
[20:46] <Noboru55> so...
[20:46] <wxl> well here's my experience: kubuntu isn't actually all that heavy
[20:46] <wxl> but it's not meant to be lightweight
[20:46] <wxl> see the xubuntu problem above
[20:46] <Noboru55> kubunt is so beautifull
[20:46] <wxl> but i think with just one component, you won't have an issue
[20:47] <wxl> lxqt lubuntu has a couple kde bits in it and it doesn't harm anything
[20:47] <wxl> just as long as we don't get plasma-desktop! that's the worst!
[20:47] <Noboru55> i agree
[20:47] <Noboru55> i do not use transparency too
[20:47] <Noboru55> weak video
[20:48] <Noboru55> lol
[20:48] <Noboru55> i am connect to wrong server
[20:48] <Noboru55> ops, wrong wifi
[20:48] <Noboru55> so my internet is too slow to download
[20:48] <Noboru55> i will back later
[20:49] <Noboru55> now i am choose the wifi and download lubuntu 19.10
[20:49] <Noboru55> i will back to tell u what i think about it
[20:49] <Noboru55> thank u
[20:49] <wxl> ok be well!
[20:50] <c|oneman> there's a new one. I did "ls" in a terminal window but it didnt work because I had deleted and re-created that folder
[20:50] <c|oneman> from the last time that I had hit cd
[20:52] <wxl> not really a lubuntu problem. more of a kernel problem, if any
[20:52] <c|oneman> yeah , I was using debian. heh
[20:52] <wxl> i see it as more of a user error. don't be in a folder that you plan on deleting :)
[20:52] <c|oneman> well it highlights how things work in the bandend, at least for a GUI terminal
[20:52] <c|oneman> backend
[20:52] <wxl> i'm sure it would be similar if you weren't in x
[20:53] <wxl> e.g. open two ttys, be in the folder in one, delete it in the other, ls in the first -> fail
[21:15] <c|oneman> yeah, its the same thing in 2 ssh sessions
[21:15] <c|oneman> delete folder & create it again, ls fails
[21:15] <c|oneman> I guess its 'ls'ing a specific folder ID and not a path name
[21:16] <c|oneman> still, it could create confusion if you're trying to nano or cat something and you're getting no results
[21:17] <c|oneman> heh. tried to do it in Windows but windows locks the folder if you have it 'open' in cmd.exe
[21:30] <wxl> c|oneman: inodes.
[22:42] <Noboru55> wxl hey, i am using 19.10 now.
[22:43] <Noboru55> i am banned from freenode, needed to connect in another wifi
[22:43] <Noboru55> wxl it looks like kde...
[22:51] <wxl> Noboru55: you mean they both look like qt
[22:52] <Noboru55> yes, but i am ... confuse
[22:52] <Noboru55> do you know how can i set a dark theme ? i could change the window style, for numix (i like) and the panel is lubuncu darc .. ok
[22:52] <Noboru55> the pcmanfan is not dark...
[22:53] <Noboru55> pcmanfm
[22:54] <wxl> @HMollerCl ^^^
[22:59] <Noboru55> wxl maybe its the qt style... still trying
[23:00] <Noboru55> google chrome i modified the preferences to use the gtk style
[23:06] <Noboru55> why they change to qt
[23:06] <Noboru55> =/
 Norobus pcmanfm needs to restart for changes to take effect
 Since it also handles the desktop closing all the windows won't restart it. You could manually restart the desktop or logout/lohin
[23:33] <Noboru55> wxl needed to install qt5-style-plugins  so change the openbox theme, and then the style to gtk2
[23:34] <Noboru55> oO it was hard to do