[00:16] <Ascavasaion> How do I check a 2.5 HDD in a USB external enclosure for errors?
[00:17] <tomreyn> smartctl, same as an internal
[00:17] <tomreyn> !smart
[00:18] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: I tried SMART through gnome-disks, but it is greyed out.
[00:18] <tomreyn> you *may* need to play with -d
[00:18] <tomreyn> maybe it's not installed?
[00:22] <tomreyn> for usb disks which don't work with just -x /dev/XXX, adding "-d sat"  or "-d sat,12" often works
[00:23] <compdoc> Ascavasaion, the enclosure prevents it
[00:25] <Ascavasaion> compdoc: I tend to agre with you.  I keep getting an "/dev/sdb: Unknown USB bridge [0x0080:0xa001 (0x204)]" error message
[00:28] <tomreyn> Ascavasaion: did you try -d sat?
[00:29] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: I just did, and it definitely makes things start working.  Just want to see if I cna get the check running.
[00:29] <Ascavasaion> Be right back
[00:36] <_Myst_> hi all, does anyone know how to tweak ubuntu the onboard keyboard, to make the keys larger for a 2 in touchscreen laptop, thanks in advance
[00:37] <RoseBus> hello, i'm trying to program a power-off switch to shutdown my board (running ubuntu with gnome/unity UI
[00:37] <RoseBus> every time i press the shutdown button it says, "hello Rosebus you have open files you might want to save before shutting down"
[00:37] <RoseBus> even if i dont have open files
[00:38] <RoseBus> how can i disable this prompt???
[00:39] <Ascavasaion> tomreyn: https://pasteboard.co/IWokBuz.png  I presume it is running in the background?  It went back to command prompt.  I do not see any obvious physical signs that it is running like flickering lights on hard disk enclosure, etc.
[00:41] <leftyfb> RoseBus: try https://www.itsupportguides.com/knowledge-base/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-shutdown-when-power-button-pressed/
[00:44] <RoseBus> leftyfb, ty
[00:45] <RoseBus> leftyfb, still getting that message :(
[00:47] <RoseBus> leftyfb, oo the instructions for ubuntu 18 were ineffective but the buttons for ubuntu 16 worked
[00:48] <RoseBus> weird bc it definitely says i'm running ubuntu 18... but this is L4T version so idk
[00:49] <leftyfb> RoseBus: you mean LTS?
[00:49] <RoseBus> L4T == linux for tegra
[00:49] <RoseBus> nvidia's custom ubuntu build for their boards
[00:49] <leftyfb> RoseBus: ok, future reference, that isn't supported here
[00:50] <RoseBus> even if i'm asking general ubuntu questions that aren't L4T specific?
[00:50] <leftyfb> RoseBus: yes, because we cannot know or support everything they changed in the OS. Troubleshooting might not work the same or be as effective
[00:55] <raj> will python ever refer to python3 in ubuntu?
[00:55] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | raj
[00:56] <raj> cool
[00:56] <leftyfb> raj: but to answer your question: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-20.04-Clear-Python2
[01:02] <raj> thank you
[01:23] <_Myst_> hi all, does anyone know how to tweak ubuntu the onboard keyboard, to make the keys larger for a 2 in touchscreen laptop, thanks in advance
[01:24] <oerheks> _Myst_, i tried, but found none, no tweak nor conf nor dconf entry
[01:25] <_Myst_> oerheks: `thanks, any experiences with linux os that work well with touch screen
[01:26] <tomreyn> Ascavasaion: pasteboard.co won't work here due to invasive tracking.
[01:28] <johnfg> hi guys
[01:29] <johnfg> installed notmuch, and running it the first time.  Running stock 19.10, I'm currently using thunderbird for my mail.
[01:30] <johnfg> my question, notmuch is asking Top-level directory of your email archive [/home/johnfg/mail]: that's the default, but that's not what thunderbird uses.  I have no mail or maildir in my ~.  What would I answer for that question?
[01:31] <tomreyn> johnfg: are you trying to make notmuch use the same mail storage location as thunderbird? i'm not sure that's a good plan.
[01:31] <sarnold> does it even work?
[01:32] <johnfg> tomreyn: What I want to get to, eventually, is to use notmuch.vim inside gvim/vim.
[01:33] <johnfg> https://opensource.com/article/20/1/vim-email-calendar?utm_campaign=intrel is what I'm following, but kinda sparse.
[01:33] <sarnold> this mail from 4.5 years ago suggests you may be able to get thunderbird to use maildir https://notmuchmail.org/pipermail/notmuch/2015/020705.html
[01:34] <sarnold> oh, hmm, it might not be great https://karl-voit.at/2020/01/13/thunderbird-notmuch/
[01:35] <tomreyn> better use some imap proxy and have each of them use their own mail storage
[02:47] <gambl0re> hello?
[02:48] <lotuspsychje> !ask | gambl0re
[03:04] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. I don't like that Gnome/GDM has made it difficult to manage themes. :/
[03:26] <JordiGH> Is it actually impossible to install libmysqlclient-dev and npm at once in bionic?
[03:26] <JordiGH> Because they depend on different versions of libssl?
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> JordiGH: could you pastebin what apt spits out as errors please, so the volunteers can have a look for you?
[03:28] <JordiGH> Never mind, I think I am right and they just can't be co-installed.
[03:29] <lotuspsychje> JordiGH: this channel is not a trivia channel, do you need help or not?
[03:30] <JordiGH> No, it's okay, thanks.
[03:34] <leftyfb> I did notice npm depends on a libssl that breaks lots of other things, preventing me from install it.
[03:35] <insanidade> that's pretty weird. I have npm insalled in my bionic box.
[03:35] <insanidade> lots of people do, actually (right?)
[03:38] <leftyfb> if I install libssl1.0-dev, which npm relies on, it'll remove 13 packages and cause 52 other packages to be "no longer required".
[03:38] <JordiGH> Oh, and nodejs is kind of old too.
[03:38] <JordiGH> I need 10, bionic has 8.
[03:39] <leftyfb> !latest | JordiGH
[03:40] <JordiGH> Yeah, yeah, whatevs, ppa here we go.
[03:40] <lotuspsychje> dependency issue here i also come
[03:40] <JordiGH> S'all good
[03:53] <daffy1234> I hear a lot of crackling from fluidsynth/qsynth when theres a lot of sound going on (e.g. 4+ notes being played and a youtube video in the background). Qsynth complains about not being able to change priority, and when ran as root it freezes the computer, requiring me to go into a tty to pkill -9 qsynth. Any ideas?
[06:13] <ThomasCrown> I am having this error on my ubuntu when I try to install anything and I am stuck. Any help would be great. Setting up grub-pc (2.02-2ubuntu8.14) ...
[06:13] <ThomasCrown> dpkg: error processing package grub-pc (--configure):
[06:13] <ThomasCrown>  installed grub-pc package post-installation script subprocess returned error exit status 127
[06:13] <ThomasCrown> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:13] <ThomasCrown>  grub-pc
[06:25] <hearit> Hello I think I am a victim of a bot net can anyone help me get rid of it?
[06:29] <Ben64> hearit: how is that an ubuntu issue?
[06:33] <hearit> then where can i search for help
[06:34] <Ben64> depends what the actual problem is?
[06:36] <hearit> i play a rpg game all days
[06:36] <hearit> and noe strangely iam having lag
[06:36] <hearit> i think something is doing it
[07:09] <Woet> is there any way to get ufw to ignore an entire interface?
[07:09] <Woet> I have a NAT setup with a bridge, and ufw keeps blocking incoming and outgoing traffic
[07:10] <Woet> I already have "Anywhere on vmbr1          ALLOW       Anywhere" and "Anywhere                   ALLOW OUT   Anywhere on vmbr1" - but that doesn't seem to make a difference
[07:13] <Woet> alright, changing DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY to "ACCEPT" in /etc/default/ufw did the trick
[07:39] <ramsub07> hello, i'd like to install cmake3.15 from apt. however, the version apt has is 3.10. Are there any ppa available for cmake 3.15? if so how do I check it out?
[08:31] <artyx> How can I encourage networkmanager (networkctl?) to not be so helpful all the time ... like ignore adapter FOO
[08:35] <mgedmin> artyx: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Ignore_specific_devices
[08:58] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185'
[09:00] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185: big reward
[09:02] <awilkins> Anyone know if AWS keep Ubuntu apt mirrors in s3?
[09:02] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185
[09:05] <funabash1> Hi guys, how to find out whaat CPU and MEM i have?
[09:06] <funabash1> /proc/cpuinfo does not say model
[09:06] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185: big reward
[09:08] <EriC^^> funabash1: lscpu ?
[09:13] <funabash1> danke
[09:19] <renomd> i have https://www.website.com/scenes?page=14&site=185  :  how do i create bookmark to go  +1  so it does  https://www.website.com/scenes?page=15&site=185: big reward
[09:23] <artyx> funabash1: are you looking for some sort of hardware database of your ram, or just how much you are using
[09:23] <artyx> just 64GB?  or do you need to know DDR3 blah in slot somethingrather
[09:24] <artyx> As for my vagrant issue .. it seems to be relating to the /etc/libvirt config file being created by vagrant, its defaulting to an ethernet adapter i am not mentioning
[09:24] <artyx>  /etc/libvirt/qemu/machinename.xml
[09:26] <artyx> oops. wrong chan
[09:27] <artyx> renomd: https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2016/01/urlsearchparams
[09:29] <artyx> renomd: That was for chrome .. but https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/URL for firefox
[09:47] <icygqaftmzzi> hello everyone. Is there any way to bundle packages like gcc perl & make into the ubuntu desktop installation ISO file?
[09:49] <HurricaneHarry> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[09:49] <icygqaftmzzi> I want to install ubuntu on a lot of machines, & also install a certain software which needs some dependent packages to be installed beforehand. instead of downloading the packages into all of the machines individually & consuming a lot of data, I want a method that gives me 'download once, install multiple times' feature.
[09:49] <pipegeek> Why is python3-distutils a separate package from python3 in ubuntu?
[09:50] <icygqaftmzzi> thanks HurricaneHarry, I'll look into it. hope my reasoning was clear to you.
[09:50] <pipegeek> frustrating because if I only want to install e.g. python3.7 (and not 3.6) on bionic, there's no way to have a working distutils
[09:50] <pipegeek> since python3-distutils brings in 3.6 as a dpeendency
[09:51] <pipegeek> even though distutils is part of the core python library
[09:52] <HurricaneHarry> icygqaftmzzi: your seccond message makes me think more towards a systems management idea, like ansible/puppet combined with a repository mirror
[09:52] <akkonrad> hi. I've had a dell precision laptop with windows 10 + bitlocker. I've added another ssd drive and installed ubuntu there, unfortunately now I am not able to have dual boot - I don't see windows partition in the boot options, only ubuntu partitions are visible.
[09:52] <akkonrad> when I type fdisk -l I don't see my windows partition. is there any way to fix that?
[09:52] <pipegeek> it seems like effectively python3.6 is a dependency of python3.7 in bionic, even though that package dependency isn't explicit
[09:55] <awilkins> akkonrad, UEFI bios? You can probably choose OS with your BIOS boot selection rather than graub
[09:55] <awilkins> *grub
[10:38] <bulgiewulgie> Say I have 2 hd's, /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, /dev/sda has Windows 10 installed, why does Ubuntu not put it's boot stuff on /dev/sdb during installation instead of adding it to /dev/sda?
[10:38] <bulgiewulgie> Is there a way to force it to do that during install?
[10:40] <bulgiewulgie> like, I don't want it to use the first EFI system partition that it finds
[10:43] <bencc1> how do I use py scripts inside a deb package?
[10:43] <bencc1> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/python-nototools
[10:44] <bulgiewulgie> yikes, this been an issue since 2014 apparently
[10:50] <funabash1> Not an Ubuntu question but what ad/privacy extension should i use with my browser?
[10:54] <Miles8of9> AdBlock on firefox..?
[10:58] <leni1[m]> uBlock origin FTW.
[11:09] <muhaha> is openvpn-systemd-resolved package necessary for openvpn? problem is that I am getting dns from openvpn server on tun0 interface, but there are still dns servers from eth0 interfaces, dig for record into that tun0 dns works, but problem is that OS probably try to resolve record from dns servers from local network... any idea?
[11:38] <anden> the state for my headphone jack stays as "plugged in" even after i unplugged them and causes my internal speakers to stay muted, and the issue persists across reboots. is there any command i can run to reset the plugged state of the jack?
[11:39] <mgedmin> sounds like an alsa bug, maybe report it?
[11:40] <anden> i saw a few bug reports about it already, and a long discussion with no real outcome
[11:40] <anden> that's why i was hoping there is at least a command i can use as a temporary fix
[11:41] <mgedmin> can you select the internal speakers as the default output sink in gnome-control-center's sound panel?
[11:41] <anden> they show up, but as "unavailable"
[11:41] <anden> and i get no sound when i choose them
[11:41] <mgedmin> ouch
[11:42] <anden> i get two options: "Headphones (plugged in)" and "Speakers (unavailable)"
[11:42] <anden> cycling the jack with headphones a few times usually fixes it, but it would be nice to have a command that can do the same in case i forgot to bring headphones
[11:44] <anden> i don't know how alsa/pulseaudio reads this state, but i guess either the hardware is constantly sending this incorrect state, or the state is not updated because i shut down the computer with the headphones plugged in, and unplugged them with the power off, so that the updated state was never sent?
[11:45] <anden> if it's the latter, i guess manually setting the state in software would be a great solution for me
[11:55] <rodrigoty23> does anybody here know how to view the source code of the ubuntu 16.04 source image?
[12:01] <mgedmin> click any package in https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/allpackages, see the 'download source package' links in the sidebar
[12:04] <rodrigoty23> no not that this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/!
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:22] <wozy> hi guys
[12:22] <wozy> i did a fresh install of ubuntu 18.04
[12:22] <wozy> with full disk encryption
[12:22] <vlt> wozy: Congrats!
[12:22] <wozy> but now i want to have the /home in its own particion
[12:22] <wozy> i am folowing this guide: https://stephencox.net/blog/install-ubuntu-full-disk-encryption-home-partition.html
[12:23] <wozy> but i get errors that are not explained in there
[12:23] <wozy> for example, when running "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p3 ubuntu-vg"
[12:24] <vlt> wozy: FDE usually works with LVM. Create a new volume for home, a file system, mount it somewhere, move everything over, add it to /etc/fstab.
[12:24] <mgedmin> what a cliffhanger
[12:24] <wozy> sorry
[12:24] <vlt> wozy: FDE usually works with LVM. Create a new volume for home, a file system, mount it somewhere, move everything over, add it to /etc/fstab.
[12:24] <wozy> wow i got no clue of what you just said
[12:25] <wozy> dont i need to unmount space?
[12:25] <vlt> wozy: FDE = full disk encryption
[12:25] <mgedmin> the guide you pasted looks correct to me
[12:25] <wozy> to create a new volume?
[12:25] <wozy> oh ok
[12:25] <mgedmin> so what errors are you getting?
[12:26] <wozy> Cannot use device /dev/nvme0n1p3 which is in use (already mapped or mounted).
[12:26] <wozy> when running: sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/nvme0n1p3 ubuntu-vg
[12:26] <wozy> btw can you tell me what is ubuntu-vg?
[12:26] <mgedmin> did you boot your newly instaled system, or did you boot the livecd session?
[12:26] <wozy> i booted on the new installed systemm
[12:26] <mgedmin> 'ubuntu-vg' is the name of the LVM volume group that the installer created
[12:27] <wozy> ok
[12:27] <wozy> ty
[12:27] <mgedmin> ok, the guide says "Now restart the computer and boot off the Ubuntu install medium." before that sudo cryptsetup command
[12:27] <mgedmin> the reason is that you cannot _shrink_ mounted ext4 partitions
[12:27] <wozy> oh
[12:27] <wozy> but how do i get the shell?
[12:27] <mgedmin> and the LVM by default has no free space for a separate /home, so you need to shrink the root partition first
[12:27] <mgedmin> you get a shell by pressing ctrl+alt+t in a live session
[12:27] <wozy> i got it
[12:27] <wozy> ok ty
[12:27] <wozy> brb gonna reboot
[12:28] <mgedmin> good luck!
[12:28] <wozy> ty
[12:28] <mgedmin> (fwiw imho a separate /home is a bad idea, but you do whatever you want!)
[13:13] <vlt> mgedmin: "ubuntu-vg" in *this* case is the name of the LUKS mapper device.
[13:19] <mgedmin> incidentally, does anyone know why the ubuntu installer doesn't give me an option to do FDE if I want to install ubuntu side by side with another OS (windows 10)?
[13:20] <mgedmin> admittedly it wouldn't be _full disk_, but all I want is an encrypted ubuntu partition
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: Some believe that FDE is not recommended when dual booting
[13:21] <pragmaticenigma> mgedmin: What is recommended is /home directory encryption
[13:23] <mgedmin> I'd love to hear reasons why FDE is not recommended for dualboot situations
[13:23] <mgedmin> (I'm currently using ecryptfs, but it has some annoying limitations)
[13:26] <pragmaticenigma> I don't know the exact reasons why. I believe it was removed from the installer because of limitations of the installer.
[13:27] <pragmaticenigma> UEFI makes for some interesting situations when kernal updates are applied with FDE
[13:34] <unrecovered> heya! i have an odd problem. i'm trying to set up an ubuntu 16.04 on a virtual machine. host is fedora, networking is done via bridge. so my problem is that ubuntu cannot get an IP. i have several CentOS7 vms on this host and they work fine, so i kind of puzzled what the issue could be
[13:35] <unrecovered> i tried to manually run dhclient and still nothing
[13:37] <pragmaticenigma> unrecovered: If you're planning on using this as a production system, please note that 16.04 will be retiring in 2021... Is there any reason you didn't choose to go with Ubuntu 18.04?
[13:37] <unrecovered> i have my reasons :)  no, it won't be a production, just some platform for experiments
[13:38] <pragmaticenigma> unrecovered: More details about the VM environment might be required. Like what application is running the VMs... I'm not skilled in the world of VMs, and this might be a question better suited for #ubuntu-server
[13:39] <unrecovered> hum
[13:40] <unrecovered> pragmaticenigma i run it on qemu
[13:40] <nss> hello, i have a problem on a desktop pc, with 19.10, and i suspect that is a kernel problem
[13:40] <unrecovered> kinda wondering where to ask too
[13:41] <nss> i some moments the pc freezes, with hdd led activity always on (in the same computer w10 doesnt have the problem)
[13:41] <unrecovered> though cliend is definetly desktop, not ubuntu server
[13:41] <unrecovered> nss try iotop to figure who does it?
[13:42] <nss> unrecovered: when it happens, cant move the mouse and/or keyboard (sorry for my bad english)
[13:42] <nss> i suspect that is relative to swap
[13:44] <pragmaticenigma> unrecovered: The purpose of asking in #ubuntu-server is there are more sys-admin type people there that probably have more familiarity with virtualization. The Guest OS doesn't matter
[13:45] <unrecovered> @nss ctrl+alt+F2(or F3?) should switch you to another workspace in terminal mode
[13:45] <nss> unrecovered: it doesnt work, all is freezed
[13:45] <nss> frozed ?
[13:45] <mgedmin> nss: sounds like your machine ran out of RAM
[13:45] <unrecovered> usually works anyway
[13:45] <mgedmin> nss: how much RAM and swap do you have?
[13:46] <unrecovered> pragmaticenigma ok got it, thanks :)
[13:46] <nss> mgedmin: 16gb ram, 16gb swap, but that should not be the behavior
[13:46] <mgedmin> yeah, wow
[13:47] <nss> i the forums some people recomends to disable swap, others to increase it, or change swapiness
[13:48] <mgedmin> I tried to run without swap for a while, and I ended up experiencing the symptoms you describe
[13:48] <Pricey> Keep swap.
[13:48] <mgedmin> hdd led on, system unresponsive for multiple minutes at a time
[13:48] <nss> mgedmin: and when you reenable swap, the symptoms disapear?
[13:48] <Pricey> The only arguments for not having it assume you've got brilliant detection mechanisms in place to recover from failures which you don't have.
[13:49] <mgedmin> well, at least I haven't managed to run enough memory hogs to get any problems yet (16GB of RAM + 2 GB of swap on this laptop here)
[13:50] <mgedmin> nss: if you have patience to wait (up to 30-40 minutes), try opening a terminal and running e.g. vmstat 10 to see what the system is doing; you may have to enter the keys blindly because the UI is not responsive
[13:51] <mgedmin> if you don't have patience to wait, rebooting via alt+sysrq+s,u,b is the quickest way to get back to a working state, and safer than holding down the power button
[13:51] <mgedmin> (I would like to know what kind of workflow manages to fill up 16 GB ram + 16 GB swap.   three slack tabs open?)
[13:54] <Pricey> Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring
[13:57] <pragmaticenigma> nss: I think it would also help if you describe what you are doing when this behavior happens
[13:59] <vlm> what line is needed in sudoers file if i want pw prompt for all commands but the one like systemctl for instance?
[14:02] <nss> mgedmin: 5 or 6 chrome tabs open, docker, slack, a 4gb vm
[14:10] <johnfg> hi folks
[14:11] <johnfg> What's the best way to completely remove thunderbird on a new 19.10 install?  Instead of just a new profile, using maildir, I think it will be better to start over.
[14:15] <pragmaticenigma> johnfg: no need to remove thunderbird to start over
[14:16] <pragmaticenigma> johnfg: If you plan on continuing to use Thunderbird... just move .thunderbird to .thunderbird_bak or something similar.. the start up thunderbird... it will start as if it's a brand new instance
[14:40] <chalcedony> chull and I did the updated kernel for 18.04, in hopes that Ubuntu wouldn't crash by surprise anymore. It's still crashing, almost on boot, as soon as Libre Office starts. This time we didn't start Thunderbird, and LibreOffice gave this error when I started it in command line.   (soffice:2085): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: 09:32:10.295: ../../../../gobject/gsignal.c:3492: signal name 'selection_changed'
[14:40] <chalcedony> is invalid for instance '0x564cfb286030' of type 'OOoAtkObjCompTxt' .. then it didn't crash until he tried to recover documents.
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: Are these documents coming from a trusted source? Does the machine run fine as long as you don't open Thunderbird or LibreOffice?
[14:59] <artyx> We  didn't start the browser ... It was always crashing, since the office was churning?
[14:59] <artyx> prolly better with at least an accoustic guitar or slide whistle
[14:59] <artyx> s/office/libre
[15:00] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, i don't know if it does if he doesn't run them, i watched him restart it and run with and without thunderbird. it crashes
[15:00] <pragmaticenigma> artyx: please, not here... if you want to share your tunes, please join us in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:00] <artyx> Ahah. sorry
[15:01] <chalcedony> it dies fast
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: how old is this machine?
[15:01] <artyx> Anyone know why i removed networkmanager and nmcli and i still have networkctl showing as its responsible for bond
[15:01] <leftyfb> artyx: because you didn't remove networkctl?
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> artyx: Because network management is handled by systemd-networkd ... NetworkManager and netplan are just interfaces for configuration, they generate the profile for systemd
[15:02] <pragmaticenigma> you can remove them, and still have networking
[15:02] <artyx> if you do apt install ifupdown ... doesnt that pull the systemd-networkd?
[15:04] <artyx> pragmaticenigma: So im noticing ... I'm trying to go back to classic interface method of config ...
[15:04] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, it's not old. Ryzen 5 processor
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> artyx: There really isn't a way ... if you dislike the newer network management, it would be better to find a distro that doesn't leverage it in the first place... systemd is pretty heavily integrated in Ubuntu and removal makes it hard for us to support it.
[15:05] <artyx> pragmaticenigma: It breaks libvirt being called by 3rd parties
[15:05] <leftyfb> artyx: https://askubuntu.com/a/1052023
[15:06] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: there is a way, I just posted it above
[15:06] <leftyfb> well, not removing systemd, but taking it out of the networking component
[15:08] <artyx> leftyfb: Its not often i have to update my "little black book" but i did today, thank you
[15:20] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, ideas?
[15:22] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: been trying to research... what does "uname -a" return?
[15:23] <chalcedony> ah moment thanks pragmaticenigma :)
[15:26] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, uname -a  Linux vir 5.3.0-40-generic #32~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Mon Feb 3 14:05:59 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:27] <chalcedony> i wonder if it actually got that kernel update .. it should be more recent than that
[15:28] <pragmaticenigma> that is the latest HWE kernel (or at least matches my HWE machine)
[15:29] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, yes i just checked that too :)
[15:30] <chalcedony> wonder if libre office needs to be updated to be compatible?
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: most programs are not compiled to a kernel version. so that is unlikely the culprit. What concerns me is that the crashes center around Thunderbird and LibreOffice... which makes me suspect that something was downloaded and could be causing problems
[15:33] <chalcedony> ahh
[15:33] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: That's why I was asking if the system crahes if those applications are not launched
[15:33] <chalcedony> guess we can try it
[15:34] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, it's actually ok with Thunderbird right now
[15:35] <chalcedony> running
[15:35] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: The other option is, you can "delete" the thunderbird profile. First make sure thunderbird is closed, then run "mv ~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird_bak" ... then launch thunderbird to see if it triggers a crash. If it doesn't you can just delete the new .thunderbird folder and restore the backed up profile
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: You can try the same thing for libre office... making sure that libre office is close the run "mv ~/.config/libreoffice ~/.config/libreoffice_bak" ... and then open libreoffice and see if it crashes. If it does... something in libreoffice's config is corrupted and this will start you off fresh
[15:38] <Ool> thunderbird -p to open the profil menu ?
[15:38] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: Oops... If libre office is stable after moving the directory... then the config is corrupted and you now have a fresh one that should keep libre office functioning. If it does crash... I'm thinking it might be time to go extreme and consider reinstalling Ubuntu from scratch
[15:39] <pragmaticenigma> Ool: That does work, but there are files stored outside the profile folder that could be corrupted
[15:42] <chalcedony> pragmaticenigma, wow ok thanks
[15:42] <chalcedony> let me see what he thinks of this
[15:43] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: There might be others here who have other ideas... but i'm unable to find anymore solutions
[15:44] <pragmaticenigma> chalcedony: with the directory moving you will at least have the ability to undo things... but if something is corrupted in the config/libreoffice area... that's something that will always be "broken"
[15:52] <johnfg> pragmaticenigma: That's a good point, and will accomplish what I want (I hope) - using maildir vs. mbox.
[15:52] <johnfg> pragmaticenigma: Do you use a desktop mail client, and if so, which?
[15:54] <leftyfb> !ot | johnfg
[16:01] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: please do not PM
[16:02] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: ask your question here and someone might be able and willing to help you
[16:02] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, are you firmiliar with source code?
[16:02] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: This is a support channel for Ubuntu and it's software. What do you need help with?
[16:03] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, i already asked i need help extracting ubuntu 16.04 sourcode from the source images here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/!
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> i got the three of them but dont know how to extract the information!
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> four*
[16:04] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: apt-get source <package name>
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> oh
[16:04] <artyx> And apt-build ?
[16:04] <rodrigoty23> cd too?
[16:04] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: what are you trying to accomplish?
[16:05] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, extracting the information inside those archieves!
[16:06] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: for what purpose?
[16:06] <johnfg> leftyfb: I thought I was registered.  Or did you think my question about mailer wasn't enough about ubuntu?  For a number of reasons, I'm just trying to find a good mail client that uses maildir vs. mbox.  Primarily for using notmuch[.vim].
[16:06] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, its outside of the terms of this channel so i cant talk about it!
[16:06] <leftyfb> johnfg: ask in #ubuntu-offtopic for opinions on software
[16:07] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: What specifically are you having an issue with? What files are you trying to read exactly? With what editor? What are you trying to accomplish?
[16:08] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, the cd images i put the command youtold me and got this: E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list1
[16:09] <rodrigoty23> i already downloaded the 4 images on that site i am trying to extract that information!
[16:10] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: ok, good luck. I really do not believe you currently have the technically abilities to understand the basics of whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. I feel you have a lot more reading, researching and learning to do before proceeding with your goal.
[16:10] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: regardless, I also do not believe whatever it is you are trying to accomplish is supported here.
[16:11] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, so what your saaying extracting those images is like brain surgery?
[16:12] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: you have yet to explain what you are trying to do. Extract what from where? What images? What are you trying to extract exactly? (stop saying information)
[16:12] <rodrigoty23> oh okay ill break it down
[16:12] <leftyfb> !enter
[16:16] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, i downloaded the cd images from here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/ clicked downloaded the downloaded the fource source images  if i mount or extract i would get extracted empty folders i haave the four source images in the downloads folder.iam trying to extract the information of those archieves to read the source codde to modify and extend.so far what you told me didnt help me as i put the command
[16:16] <rodrigoty23> apt-get source ubuntu-16.04.6-src-1.iso and would get the result E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list!
[16:17] <bradland> I'm trying to stick to convention with the mysql-server package under 18.04, but I'm not sure if I'm doing this wrong or if the package is different than others. I normally put my configuration overrides in the conf.d/ folder, but the include order in /etc/mysql/my.cnf puts mysql.conf.d/ before conf.d/, causing my configuration files to be overriden by the default config files. Am I meant to modify the files in mysql.conf.d/ directly? I'm concerne
[16:17] <bradland> they'll be overwritten by updates.
[16:19] <bradland> Gah, sorry. I need a correction: but the include order in /etc/mysql/my.cnf puts mysql.conf.d/ *after* conf.d/
[16:19] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: did you mount the ubuntu-16.04.6-src-1.iso image?
[16:20] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, yep
[16:20] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: how did you mount the ubuntu-16.04.6-src-1.iso image?
[16:20] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, right click mount in the opo up dialog!
[16:20] <rodrigoty23> pop*
[16:21] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: ok, so you have access to the files in that image. What's the issue?
[16:23] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, are those the real source images i put ubuntu 16.04 source code and got that link?
[16:23] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: it looks like it to me
[16:23] <rodrigoty23> in google i put it!
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> bradland: the files are also processed in alphanumeric order. Just make sure your file appears as the last file in the last folder being scanned, and the settings will not be overwritten. I usually start my custom configs with "z_" to make them easy to find, and always the last to be integrated. Custom files in those folders are never deleted or overwritten as long as they don't share a name with one provided by another software
[16:23] <pragmaticenigma> package
[16:24] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, so what do i do then isnt there some special "extractor that does that job?
[16:24] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: does what job?
[16:25] <rodrigoty23> i dont think mount of extracting the archieve would would do the job?
[16:25] <rodrigoty23> or*
[16:25] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, the job = extracting the source code to source code files!
[16:25] <bradland> pragmaticenigma: I had that thought too, but I saw this in the docs: "MySQL makes no guarantee about the order in which option files in the directory are read."
[16:26] <leftyfb> rodrigoty23: just copy the files wherever you want
[16:26] <bradland> That's the documentation for !includedir.
[16:26] <feoh> I know I shouldn't be surprised because LinkedIn has been kind of a privacy nightmare for a while, but their recent thing of trying to get me to enter my team and sorrounding team's reporting structure is SUPER sketchy. Kinda wondering when someone will get sacked for falling for it and take them to court.
[16:27] <leftyfb> !ot | feoh
[16:28] <rodrigoty23> leftyfb, nevermind i open the archive program and look the source code in older a-z
[16:28] <feoh> CRAP wrong channel
[16:28] <feoh> Sincere apologies.
[16:31] <diamond_orb> I would like to move from Mint to Ubuntu (or possibly kubuntu or lubuntu. Since Mint is "based on Ubuntu" is it possible to migrate from one to the other or do I need to do a fresh install
[16:32] <leftyfb> diamond_orb: you need a fresh install
[16:33] <diamond_orb> leftyfb thanks. Was afraid of that. Which version do I need for a low end machine (old Compaq, pentium, 4GB ram)? I'm not clear on the difference between lubuntu, xubuntu and kubuntu except that they all claim to be "lite"
[16:38] <feoh> Just different choice in desktop environments
[16:38] <feoh> Do you prefer XFCE, KDE or whatever lubuntu custom environment it offers?
[16:39] <feoh> You might also consider Ubuntu MATE. Nice community there and it's very good for machines with meager resources.
[16:45] <diamond_orb> feoh probably xfce as it is the most lightweight of the three. Not really familiar with MATE, but might be worth a look. Thanks.
[16:47] <diamond_orb> I presume that the main ditribution uses Gnome 3? (Picture on the website looks very gnome like but with red background)
[16:50] <diamond_orb> (I'm sure the info must be on the site somewhere... just can't find it)
[16:53] <diamond_orb> BTW, one issue I had with Mint is that many apps in the repo are quite old. I notice that Ubuntu is 18.04LTS. Mint is meant to be based on the same. So are the repository apps likely to be the same? (Not a problem as can install from ppa's if required, just wanting understand the situation)
[16:55] <avid_fan> I would think so. Assuming that the app(s) you're installing are from the Ubuntu repos. But I have no evidence to confirm that.
[16:56] <ducasse> !latest | diamond_orb
[16:58] <diamond_orb> ubottu yes, understood with regards to stable, just that some apps that I was getting on Mint using apt were two or three versions behind the current. But yes, agree that latest bleeding enge is not necessarily a good idea.
[16:58] <diamond_orb> *edge
[16:59] <diamond_orb> ducasse Just realised you sent that last msg via a bot command. Thanks.
[17:00]  * diamond_orb downloading the current desktop iso
[17:01] <diamond_orb> incidentally, can anyone join in the translation effort? I am bi-lingual so may be able to help and give something back in return for being able to use the OS
[17:04] <ducasse> !contribute | diamond_orb
[17:05] <ducasse> diamond_orb: anyone can help with translations, read up on the wiki and join the team
[17:07] <diamond_orb> ok, thank you for you kind an patient answers to my newbie questions. Will have a look at those links while wating for the download to finish.
[17:15] <diamond_orb> Does Ubuntu not provide a has of its ISO images?
[17:15] <diamond_orb> *hash
[17:15] <oerheks> !md5sum
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: the checksums are here: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/{named_version}/main/installer-i386/current/images/
[17:16] <pragmaticenigma> replace {named_version} with appropriate release name (bionic_updates, eaon, focal, etc..)
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> um
[17:17] <pragmaticenigma> actually that link isn't totally correct, but an example
[17:18] <avid_fan> diamond_orb: short answer = yes, they do supply it. Longer answer = it appears there may be more than one way to get it.
[17:18] <avid_fan> When I tried to download the desktop ISO, there was a "verify your download" link that gave me the sum
[17:21] <diamond_orb> avid_fan yes, found it, its a sha256 checksum and it does match
[17:22] <avid_fan> Mactching = Good :-)
[17:23] <avid_fan> *Matching
[17:25] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma thanks. Found them there as well. Am I correct in thinking current = bionic? Plse forgive my lack of familiarity with Ubuntu distro codenames. Couldn't match the md5 so maybe got the wrong one.
[17:26] <diamond_orb> Still the sha256 matches so should be good to go....
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: what I pulled for a url was for the mini.iso branch (i386)
[17:27] <pragmaticenigma> bionic is the most recent and supported LTS release of Ubuntu , version 18.04
[17:28] <FrankyGov> heya
[17:29] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma yes, understood. I pulled the md5's for bionic from the equivalent path, but they don't seem to match? This is what I got from md5sum: 764056499131c8fe22b27f6dbf52ab7d
[17:29] <avid_fan> diamond_orb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases shows Version Name -> Number
[17:30] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: There are different releases of Ubuntu 18.04... Canonical "packages" up all the updates into a "point" release. so if you get the latest ISO, it should be 18.04.4 which would have a different signature than 18.04.3
[17:31] <FrankyGov> Dear members
[17:32] <FrankyGov> I do not want to mess up the current configuration...already performed a clean install :P
[17:32] <FrankyGov> I wanted to install libsdl2-2.0-0
[17:33] <FrankyGov> To avoid issue I wonder what's the best path to make sure that the system 18.04 does the job through apt-get
[17:33] <pragmaticenigma> !info libsdl2 bionic
[17:34] <oerheks> there is no libsdl2-2.0-0 .. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl2
[17:34] <oerheks>  2.0.8+dfsg1-1ubuntu1.18.04.4 is current
[17:35] <FrankyGov> Do I have to manually install it from the repository:
[17:35] <FrankyGov> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/libsdl2-2.0-0
[17:38] <diamond_orb> Wow! Ubuntu runs on the Pi? Must give that a try!
[17:38] <Helenah> diamond_orb: Depends how you want to use the pi...
[17:39] <Helenah> In my situation it was crap.
[17:39] <Helenah> Reason being...
[17:39] <Helenah> It was a nightmare to set up headlessly.
[17:39] <Helenah> Because of the Ubuntu philosophy of being secure out the box.
[17:40] <Helenah> I'm not generalising Ubuntu as crap btw.
[17:40] <oerheks> headless with ubuntu-core?
[17:40] <Helenah> I'm not saying, don't use it.
[17:40] <Helenah> I'm just speaking personally.
[17:40] <Helenah> I like Ubuntu
[17:40] <Helenah> oerheks: Ubuntu Server, I think? I forgot.
[17:40] <oerheks> oh, just an opinion, ubuntu on pi is pretty simple, even ubuntu-core
[17:41] <Helenah> Not when you want to just plug the SD card into the pi, boot it up and have SSH or UART available.
[17:41] <Helenah> It's easier to achieve that with Raspbian.
[17:41] <Helenah> For other purposes, Ubuntu would be good on the pi.
[17:42] <avid_fan> FrankyGov: are you having a problem installing libsdl2-2.0-0 using apt-get? I'm not familiar with what that package/code does.
[17:42] <Helenah> And I'm not saying it is impossible to set up headlessly either, just saying it is hard work.
[17:42] <oerheks> Helenah, so what you are saying is not helpfull at all :-D
[17:42] <diamond_orb> Helenah can it be installed from a USB stick?
[17:43] <Helenah> diamond_orb: Never tried.
[17:43] <avid_fan> I'm not sure if the Pi supports booting from USB
[17:43] <Helenah> It does, and you should be able to boot it from USB stick.
[17:44] <diamond_orb> avid_fan fair point. Must check that.
[17:44] <Helenah> In the past, you had to change configurations on the SD card, so the SD card would be loaded, then the stick booted.
[17:44] <FrankyGov> avid_fan, I used instead apt-get install -f 'package.deb'
[17:44] <avid_fan> Cool. Then I would think it should be possible to boot from USB and install onto the SD
[17:44] <diamond_orb> Helenah so you can't burn to an SD card and plug in then?
[17:44] <Helenah> The Pi 4, I think you do something with the EEPROM.
[17:44] <Helenah> diamond_orb: You can put Ubuntu on the SD card, yes.
[17:45] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[17:45] <Helenah> Anyway, I'm not saying any of what I said is definitive, I'm trying to think from the top of my head about things I vaguely remember but haven't tried.
[17:46] <avid_fan> FrankyGov: in my experience, I've only added the '-f' after I tried to install a deb manually and it failed. Then apt-get tried to help install missing depencencies.
[17:47] <avid_fan> I would think you should be able to install the package from the repo with 'apt-get install libsdl2-2.0-0'
[17:47] <diamond_orb> Helenah well thanks for your input. All helpful and to bear in mind for when I get around to trying it.
[17:47] <Helenah> diamond_orb: No problem!
[17:47] <Helenah> Glad I could help. :)
[17:48] <Helenah> diamond_orb: The Pi will boot up the contents of an SD card by default.
[17:48] <Helenah> It is only a default, not something which can't be changed.
[17:49] <diamond_orb> Helenah fair enough.
[17:49] <Helenah> :)
[17:51] <diamond_orb> Thanks. :-) Found this channel to be v. friendly compared to the Mint one....
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: Just remember that this channel only supports Ubuntu... Mint is a different setup and is not supported here
[17:54] <oerheks> mint has its own issues too...
[17:54] <waveform> Helenah, headless setup should be a bit easier since eoan 19.10.1 - e.g. it should now be possible to do an ssh-import-id by tweaking user-data on the boot partition before first-boot (you can also install packages and so on from there)
[17:54] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma understood, but thanks. Don't worry i won't as any Mint question here.
[17:54] <diamond_orb> oerheks now you have got my attention...
[17:55] <diamond_orb> oerheks anything in particular I should be aware of?
[17:55] <waveform> diamond_orb, Helenah, USB booting on the Pi isn't *officially* supported (yet) but I did make some changes in eoan that should make it considerably easier (the kernel now locates the root partition by label (writable) rather than device (/dev/mmcblk0p2)), however the pi4's firmware doesn't support USB boot (again, yet - it's being worked on upstream)
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: Discussion of Mint is offtopic here... you just broke the rule I just told you
[17:59] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma oops! Was just confirming that I understood your point.
[18:00] <diamond_orb> waveform thanks.
[18:06] <diamond_orb> oerheks please ignore my last comment. Probably breaks the rules to discuss, but I will research.
[18:11] <eelstrebor> is there anything better/faster cloning than using dd? i see a website that suggests using gparted but i don't want to waste my time experimenting. i used dd to clone a drive and it took 8 hours
[18:12] <leftyfb> eelstrebor: there's not going to be any tool that does it faster. Especially since most tools just use dd in the background anyway
[18:13] <dax> eelstrebor: clonezilla's faster for some filesystems, since it knows how to only copy used space on them
[18:14] <dax> eelstrebor: its backend is partclone, if you'd prefer a single tool over a whole livecd
[18:15] <diamond_orb> seemed to get disconnected. Was just going to say thanks to everyone how replied. Going to boot into the Ubuntu DVD. Might have some questions later. Really appreciate everyones help.
[18:16] <leftyfb> dax: hm, didn't know about partclone. I'll have to look into that at some point
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[19:15] <banisterfiend> hi there :) why does network manager remove my DNS settings when i change network and how can i stop it?
[19:15] <flyn4x4> I have a ubuntu 18 install on a hp zbook with a quardo p4000 mobile gpu and when I click on settings it logs me out. here is some more info https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=52d9261f8b
[19:16] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: wich nvidia driver are you on?
[19:17] <flyn4x4> nuevo
[19:17] <flyn4x4> [    7.970457] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: gr: FECS falcon already acquired by gr!
[19:17] <flyn4x4> [    7.970472] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: gr: init failed, -16
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: did you try an nvidia driver yet from ubuntu-drivers list ?
[19:18] <flyn4x4> I have tried all of them nuevo propriitary and another nvidia
[19:18] <greg> https://imgur.com/vSf0eah.png why
[19:18] <oerheks> that p4000 is supported by the nvidia driver v 375 and up
[19:18] <flyn4x4> i did before i reinstalled. now i cannot get to settings
[19:19] <greg> why do your docs lie to me
[19:20] <flyn4x4> there is alot of info in the link
[19:20] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: pastebin ubuntu-drivers list please?
[19:20] <flyn4x4> i also have a dmesg output from when i click settings
[19:21] <flyn4x4> where is ubuntu drivers? is that in settings?
[19:21] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: open a terminal and type: ubuntu-drivers list
[19:22] <flyn4x4> ok
[19:22] <hggdh> greg: you do not seem to have any keys in your GPG setup. Also, please be more clear on what you are trying to do
[19:22] <greg> Im trying to backport lcov to 18.04
[19:23] <hggdh> greg: this has nothing to do with gpg. Again, what are you trying to do?
[19:23] <flyn4x4> https://pastebin.com/5rs4eEpT ub drivers
[19:23] <greg> Im trying to backport lcov to 18.04
[19:23] <hggdh> ...
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-(number of your choice here)
[19:24] <flyn4x4> everything was working fine until mid jan
[19:25] <greg> hggdh, https://imgur.com/aGoDgMo.png the ppa wants a gpg key and im trying to add one
[19:25] <flyn4x4> i guess 390 would be my choice
[19:25] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: you can try & test that sure
[19:26] <oerheks> ubuntu-driver autoinstall should get the best driver
[19:27] <flyn4x4> i already did 390
[19:27] <flyn4x4> 99%
[19:27] <lotuspsychje> flyn4x4: reboot after install, tell us how it goes
[19:27] <flyn4x4> i shall return
[19:28] <flyn4x4> thanks for the pointers
[19:28] <oerheks> :-)
[19:31] <hggdh> greg: you HAVE to have your own GPG encryption key pair. You can follow https://help.github.com/en/github/authenticating-to-github/generating-a-new-gpg-key
[19:31] <greg> could you guys make this proccess any more difficult?
[19:31] <hggdh> greg: no, it is good enough
[19:31] <greg> i have a key now but how do I frigging publish it
[19:32] <greg> also could launch pad not log me out every 3 seconds dammit
[19:33] <greg> Launchpad could not import your OpenPGP key
[19:33] <greg>     Did you enter your complete fingerprint correctly? (Help with fingerprints)
[19:33] <greg>     Is your key in the Ubuntu keyserver yet? You may have to wait between ten minutes (if you pushed directly to the Ubuntu key server) and one hour (if you pushed your key to another server)
[19:33] <hggdh> greg: I can understand your frustration, but please do mind your language
[19:33] <greg> how do i put it there
[19:35] <greg> I have minded my language and opted for the more PC versions of two words
[19:36] <flyn4x4> ok, so now I can click on settings and it lets me change stuff and doesn't make me login agian.
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> enjoy flyn4x4
[19:38] <flyn4x4> thank you, all that helped me. ya'll are the best.
[19:38] <lotuspsychje> !cookie | all
[19:40] <greg> so how do I publish my gpg key gor my ppa so appease this horrid distro?
[19:40] <lotuspsychje> greg: this is not the complaints channel, please keep statements like that out of the channel
[19:41] <greg> I asked a question
[19:41] <lotuspsychje> greg: did you add an external ppa for lcov?
[19:42] <greg> yes I have my own ppa
[19:42] <greg> but I need a gpg key backportpackage says
[19:42] <greg> so I made one
[19:43] <greg> but i paste the fingerprint into launchpad and it says I need a carrier pidgeon to send it to your key server or w/e
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> greg: we dont support external ppa's here, why dont you use the lcov version from the official repos exactly?
[19:43] <greg> because its out of date
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> !latest | greg
[19:43] <hggdh> greg: seriously, your attitude is not good
[19:44] <greg> cause ubuntu is the bane of my existence
[19:45] <greg> ppa is a ubuntu-ism so if I can't get help with it here where can I?
[19:45] <greg> its nonsense
[19:46] <hggdh> greg: keep on topic. Your comments really do not help
[19:46] <lotuspsychje> greg: try to remove your ppa, and revert the lcov version to the one from the ubuntu repos
[19:46] <greg> there is nothing in my ppa yet
[19:47] <greg> I'm trying to backport lcov from eon or w/e its called to bionic
[19:47] <greg> but backportpackage wants a gpg
[19:47] <greg> so how do I give it what it wants
[19:50] <hggdh> greg: you have to tell LP what key to use/validate your package. For that you need (1) to have a keypair (2) to export it to the Ubuntu keyserver (3) to tell LP what is the fingerprint of your key
[19:50] <greg> yes im on step 2 and asked how I do that 10minutes ago
[19:50] <hggdh> greg: you ran 'gpg --fingerprint' and it did not return anything -- which means there is NO keys in your GPG setup
[19:50] <greg> yes ive remmedied that
[19:51] <hggdh> greg: OK, good. Did you export it to the Ubuntu keyserver?
[19:51] <greg> for the 5th time im asking how do I do that
[19:51] <greg> cause nowhere on launchpad I see tells me how
[19:52] <hggdh> You are right, and I am wrong. I give up
[19:52] <greg> right about what?
[19:54] <greg> that I've already asked this? that this information isn't easily accesible on launchpad?
[19:56] <sarnold> greg: try gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-keys keyid
[19:57] <greg> where keyid is the fingerprint?
[19:58] <sarnold> yes
[20:00] <greg> DIDNT WORK
[20:00] <greg> oops caps
[20:00] <lotuspsychje> !gpg | greg
[20:04] <greg> the thing hung. great
[20:06] <ioria> greg, i guess you're interested in the first link
[20:06] <ioria> greg, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[20:06] <gbit86> Does anyone know if it is possible to configure xkb to cancel the Shift key if BOTH shift keys are held down?
[20:06] <greg> yes I started over and tried to generate key again but now gpg just hangs
[20:08] <greg> so where do I go from here?
[20:09] <greg> why can't launchpad just take a login like a normal service
[20:11] <hggdh> greg: because you are creating a package, and packages require a known creator -- which is identified by the GPG key, and validated by LP
[20:12] <hggdh> and, BTW, this is how Debian-based packages work
[20:12] <greg> theres np reason they cany identify it from my launchpad account
[20:13] <hggdh> but they *can* and *are*. this is why you need to let LP know about your GPG key
[20:13] <greg> well im trying but gpg just hangs forever now
[20:14] <greg> it could just make me a gpg key on your end if it wants one so bad
[20:18] <greg> but I guess asking for good software is bit much if you cant even make working software
[20:29] <diamond_orb> I have booted from a Ubuntu ISO to have a look around. One of the things I can't see is any mention of themes? Are they supported please?
[20:29] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: Can you explain what you mean by "themes"?
[20:30] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma I guess you could all it "window dressing" or a way to customize the look and feel of the desktop
[20:31] <ioria> diamond_orb, to change a theme you need indeed gnome-tweaks not installed by default  (or use gsettings)
[20:31] <diamond_orb> I know I can change the background, but can I customize the look?
[20:31] <ioria> i told you
[20:31] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: I think they're referring to Awadita theme to something else...
[20:31] <ioria> yes
[20:32] <diamond_orb> ioria sorry, posts crossed. Thanks for that.
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> ioria: Is it no longer possible to select the theme in the control panel anymore?
[20:33] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, on 18.04, no
[20:33] <diamond_orb> Is it also possible to customize the spacing on the icons on the screen that comes up when you click the square of dots in the bottom corner (sorry not sure of the term - is it the "menu" ?
[20:33] <ioria> pragmaticenigma, heard something about 20.04
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: That one I do believe is also a setting in the gnome-tweaks tool
[20:35] <ioria> diamond_orb, we can call it 'show-apps'
[20:36] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma I can't find gnome tweaks in apt search or in Ubuntu Software which seems to back up that its not available in 18.04 (presumably gnome 3?)
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: In terminal "sudo apt install gnome-tweaks"
[20:38] <diamond_orb> ioria thanks. Show apps. Reminds me a bit of Android, just seems to be a lot of space wasted. I have a 27in monitor and it still takes 2 screens!
[20:38] <ioria> diamond_orb, works on the scaling factor, maybe ?
[20:39] <diamond_orb> pragmaticenigma "E: Unable to locate package gnome-tweaks"
[20:39] <ioria> !info gnome-tweaks
[20:39] <ioria> diamond_orb, enable universe
[20:39] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: in terminal "sudo add-apt-repository universe"
[20:40] <ioria> and apt update after diamond_orb
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> diamond_orb: in terminal "sudo add-apt-repository universe && sudo apt update && sudo apt install gnome-tweaks"
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> hopefully now we got that all figured out
[20:43] <NotSatoshi> I am trying to access a remote Ubuntu server and I am curious if there are any firewalls enabled by default in Ubuntu?
[20:43] <diamond_orb> sudo thanks, yes, that worked. Just having a look at it.
[20:46] <hggdh> NotSatoshi: IIRC, UFW is installed by default on desktop images; if indeed I am correct, then also by default new incoming is blocked
[20:47] <pragmaticenigma> UFW is installed, I don't think it is active by default
[20:47] <hggdh> NotSatoshi: not sure about servers, though
[20:51] <avid_fan> NotSatoshi: my server does have UFW installed, and I don't recall doing it, so I'd say it does get installed by default. Like hggdh wrote, I don't think it's enabled by default.
[20:52] <diamond_orb> cryptodan_mobile hi, fancy seeing you here.....
[20:53] <diamond_orb> UFW seems to be "installed" and running on the CD image. Not sure how to check whether it is actually enabled though.
[20:54] <hggdh> diamond_orb: sudo ufw status
[20:54] <diamond_orb> hggdh thnx. That reports Status: inactive, so although the daemon is runnning, its inactive.
[20:58] <NotSatoshi> hggdh: it is inactive
[20:58] <cryptodan_mobile> diamond_orb: how do we know each other
[20:58] <NotSatoshi> avid_fan: as it is inactive...it shouldn't be doing anything right?
[21:03] <diamond_orb> NotSatoshi could also be something configured in tcpwrapper
[21:03] <diamond_orb> cryptodan_mobile I'm not using the same nick, but from another distro support forum. You helped me out in the past.
[21:05] <NotSatoshi> diamond_orb: fresh install. Doesn't look like it is installed
[21:08] <diamond_orb> NotSatoshi fair enough. It is on this CD desktop image although the two config files (hosts.allow and hosts.deny) are blank so its not doing anything. If its a fresh install it shouldn't be an factor.
[21:09] <TJ-> What's the issue NotSatoshi ? I missed the intro
[21:09] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[21:09] <oerheks> it is installed, just enable it and add rules
[21:11] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: I am trying to access a rails server on a fresh install. I am trying to determine if this is a rails issue or a ubuntu issue
[21:11] <NotSatoshi> I know I can access rails locally, but I am not certain what is blocking me from accessing it on a remote server
[21:12] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: maybe it's only bound to localhost by default?
[21:12] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: Maybe... just checking to see if there is anything by default in ubuntu that would...looks like no
[21:13] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: on the rails system you can check if it is only bound to 127.0.0.1 (localhost) or to all addresses (0.0.0.0) using "sudo ss -tnlp"
[21:15] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: while rails is running you mean?
[21:15] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: I am guessing this means it is:
[21:15] <NotSatoshi> LISTEN          0                128                               127.0.0.1:3000                            0.0.0.0:*               users:(("ruby",pid=26861,fd=14))
[21:15] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: indeed
[21:15] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: there's your problem
[21:16] <NotSatoshi> ok good. Thank you for helping me eliminate that one
[21:16] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: only listening on 127.0.0.1:3000 (localhost) so you need to reconfigure it to listen on all interfaces (or selected interfaces)
[21:16] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: Yeah...looks like I will need to dive into nginx
[21:21] <NotSatoshi> TJ-: Success :-)
[21:21] <NotSatoshi> thanks everyone I am online
[21:21] <TJ-> NotSatoshi: Yay
[21:21] <NotSatoshi> \q
[21:22] <oerheks> !cheesecake | TJ-
[21:22] <TJ-> !allergies :D
[21:37] <tekk> anyone here using gocryptfs and know if it has limitations with multiple consumers (readonly mode)
[21:37] <diamond_orb> which runs better on Ubuntu desktop - Cinnamon or KDE plasma?
[21:38] <oerheks> diamond_orb, only you can tell, with your hardware
[21:40] <diamond_orb> oerheks just wondered whether either one of them is particularly problematic and not worth bothering with. if not, then probably will test both
[21:41] <diamond_orb> oerheks but fair point
[21:42] <oerheks> KDE has a larger userbase, Cinnamon is not that old,  i think KDE can be more heavy.
[21:42] <oerheks> but this all depends on hardware, milage may vary
[21:45] <ducasse> diamond_orb: cinnamon is based on gnome 3 tech, and is not that much lighter afaik
[21:45] <diamond_orb> thanks for the observation. Did read about KDE plasma recently and the review seemed very positive and indicated considerable perfomance improvements
[21:46] <diamond_orb> seemed like it was worth considering, at least on the main desktop PC which should run it with no problem
[21:54] <diamond_orb> thanks all and goodnight.
[22:30] <codecutter> unable to issue a command because of line 3 https://pastebin.com/dHmD5pTa
[22:31] <codecutter> cd wo-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device
[22:31] <codecutter> assuming thats has something to do with line 3
[22:31] <codecutter> i maybe wrong
[22:31] <sarnold> codecutter: apt-get autoclean may free up enough space to let you do something useful to clear up other stuff
[22:33] <codecutter> this is the first time this happened how do i find out its cause?
[22:33] <oerheks> does 'mount' show any partition mounted RO ?
[22:33] <codecutter> that cmd does not help
[22:34] <oerheks> likely it is closed dirty, or other nasty bytes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[22:34] <codecutter> https://pastebin.com/HMY1QbAn
[22:34] <TJ-> codecutter: try "df -h" --- is the mount that contains /tmp/ at 100% usage?
[22:34] <TJ-> codecutter: also check "df -i" to check inode usage
[22:35] <codecutter> df -h -> https://pastebin.com/dHmD5pTa
[22:35] <TJ-> codecutter: "/dev/vda1        30G   30G     0 100% / "
[22:35] <codecutter> is that swap?
[22:36] <TJ-> codecutter: so, clear out some space. check where it's being used with "sudo du -hd 2 / | sort -h"
[22:36] <TJ-> codecutter: "/" is the root file-system, that contains the /tmp/ directory, which would be where bash tries to create the temporary file for the here doc
[22:43] <codecutter> I deleted following which has cleared things up, drwxr-x--- 2 tomcat tomcat  4096 Aug 18  2019 logs
[22:43] <sarnold> how will you debug problems with your tomcat?
[22:43] <codecutter> how do i recreate logs with same cred/
[22:44] <codecutter> sarnold ^
[22:44] <sarnold> sudo mkdir logs ; sudo chown tomcat:tomcat logs ; sudo chmod 750 logs
[22:59] <clarkk> I have installed dnscrypt, and have confirmed that dnscrypt-proxy.service and dnscrypt-proxy.socket are enabled using systemctl.  When I run  "systemctl restart dnscrypt-proxy", though, nothing seems to happen - there's no output (and name resolution doesn't work - but that's another problem).
[22:59] <clarkk> Can someone tell me how to confirm that the service is running correctly, please?
[23:00] <clarkk> Actually, I pressed the return key, and received this output  Failed to restart dnscrypt-proxycd.service: Unit dnscrypt-proxycd.service not found.
[23:00] <clarkk> Failed to restart var.mount: Unit var.mount not found.
[23:00] <theborger> hello guys need help. trying to add a second nic card to 18.04 and setup bonding. but i cant get the 2nd nic card to show up in ifconfig
[23:01] <sarnold> systemctl status dnscrypt-proxy  or journalctl -ex -u dnscrypt-proxy may be useful
[23:01] <clarkk> sarnold, thanks - I'll try that.  Sorry, that output above is incorrect. The command contained a typo. Will follow your advice. brb
[23:07] <dnivra> Hello everyone! How can I change the size of the font in address bar and the title displayed in the tab bar of firefox? It's really small(https://ibin.co/5DiBaP1E7UCs.png) and quite difficult to read compared to the other text. I tried changing a few settings on firefox and system font settings but didn't work so not sure which setting to change.
[23:09] <clarkk> Thanks, sarnold - it seems to be running now, and systemctl / dnscrypt has tested the dns servers and stated it will use the one with lowest latency. My problem is now, when I change my system dns to 127.0.0.1 and restart NetworkManager, name resolution stops working
[23:10] <clarkk> where can I posted my netstat output?
[23:10] <theborger> also i am unable to run auto interfacename.  what package do i need to add for "auto, iface etc to work?"
[23:10] <theborger> clarkk: pastebin
[23:11] <clarkk> thanks.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/65xZZw5XPP/    how can I tell if it's dnscrypt on port 53?  Why are there two services listed for that port?
[23:13] <sarnold> clarkk: systemd-resolved binds to 127.0.0.53 -- are you still using that?
[23:15] <theborger> can someone please lend me some help?
[23:16] <jeremy31> theborger: ask a different question
[23:16] <theborger> jeremy31: i have asked 2
[23:16] <jeremy31> theborger: running a server?
[23:17] <theborger> yes. i just need help getting the 2nd network card up and working please
[23:17] <theborger> the bonding i can handle i think. i've got good info on it
[23:18] <jeremy31> theborger: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[23:20] <theborger> jeremy31: thaks
[23:21] <theborger> thanks
[23:34] <clarkk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6y35tZF79v/
[23:34] <clarkk> How do I determine whether 1/init is actually dnscrypt?
[23:35] <sarnold> did you configure systemd to use socket activation for dns?
[23:36] <clarkk> not explicitly.  I'm not sure how I'd do that
[23:37] <clarkk> I just followed this  https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/10/install-and-enable-dnscrypt-proxy-2-in.html
[23:37] <sarnold> is this 1/init message coming from within a docker or similar thing?
[23:39] <clarkk> No, I don't think so.   However, I've just noticed I made an error - I should be using 127.0.2.1 for my resolver rather than localhost
[23:39] <clarkk> brb