[06:36] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[06:48] <ricotz> hey oSoMoN
[06:48] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz, how are you?
[06:49] <ricotz> oSoMoN, very well, thanks, you?
[06:49] <ricotz> nice seeing ff73 built for xenial :)
[07:00] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yeah, I'm good, and relieved that the xenial build is out, too :)
[07:17] <didrocks> good morning
[07:17] <jibel> salut didrocks
[07:19] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:26] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:26] <didrocks> hey seb128
[07:34] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, jibel, seb128
[07:42] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:30] <seb128> lut didrocks, oSoMoN, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[08:34] <didrocks> seb128: ça va, je me bats avec les builders et l’infra pour que tout passe dans la release pocket :p
[08:34] <didrocks> et toi ?
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks, ça va, un peu la bourre aussi :) je veux pas flinger la transition icu mais j'ai des trucs à uploader...
[08:35] <didrocks> ouais, j’ai vu ça…
[08:36] <marcustomlinson> morning desktopper
[08:36] <marcustomlinson> whoops. morning desktoppers
[08:37] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[08:37] <marcustomlinson> seb128: I'm doing alright thanks, you?
[08:37] <seb128> I'm good, thanks!
[08:38] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson!
[08:39] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks, how things?
[08:40] <didrocks> marcustomlinson: good! Sounds like we are just on time for FF! :)
[08:40] <didrocks> in*
[08:40] <marcustomlinson> oh wow
[09:02] <Laney> moin
[09:02] <seb128> hoi Laney
[09:03] <seb128> wie gehts?
[09:05] <marcustomlinson> morning Laney
[09:05] <Wimpress> Morning desktopers o/
[09:05] <marcustomlinson> morning Wimpress
[09:05] <seb128> hey Wimpress
[09:05] <Wimpress> Hi marcustomlinson
[09:05] <Wimpress> seb128: o/
[09:05] <Laney> hey seb128 marcustomlinson Wimpress
[09:05] <Laney> yeah doing alright
[09:06] <Wimpress> Yo
[09:07] <Wimpress> seb128 Laney Brad contacted me about exfat.
[09:07] <Wimpress> He filed this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1862028
[09:07] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1862028 in linux (Ubuntu) "Focal uses the exfat fuse filesystem even though there is support in the kernel" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:07] <Wimpress> What are your thoughts on that one?
[09:07] <didrocks> hey Laney, Wimpress
[09:08] <Wimpress> Morning didrocks
[09:08] <seb128> Wimpress, it's tagged champagne, we will get to it in the next meeting?
[09:09] <seb128> but still I'm curious now so having a look
[09:12] <marcustomlinson> hellsworth: so LO arm64 autopkgtests look to be passing now. cool
[09:13] <seb128> Wimpress, I commented on the bug, I guess he installed exfat-fuse that we don't install by default. We should probably deprecate/remove that one on update if that's what creates the issue, let's see what Brad replies
[09:14] <marcustomlinson> Laney: hey, I feel pretty confident with that upgrader MR now, got to all your comments, again thanks for that!
[09:14] <Laney> ok cool, will look again soon
[09:14] <Laney> if you could add comments for how to test it that'd help
[09:15] <marcustomlinson> ok
[09:20] <jibel> seb128, hi, has there been any conclusion on this thread ? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2019-November/040844.html
[09:21] <jibel> it landed in today's build
[09:21] <seb128> ?!
[09:21] <seb128> jibel, no, basically people seem to mostly agree on principle
[09:21] <seb128> but that's one of the item we didn't manage to even start looking at and no other team stated they would work on it
[09:22] <seb128> what landed exactly?
[09:22] <jibel> a new casper that enable media integrity check by default
[09:22] <jibel> it can be skipped with 'S'
[09:23] <jibel> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.441
[09:23] <seb128> I'm not going to complain, I was just not expecting it
[09:23] <jibel> and previous upload
[09:23] <seb128> did you test it? does it feel alright as an user experience?
[09:23] <jibel> yes
[09:24] <jibel> yes twice :)
[09:24] <seb128> :)
[09:24] <jibel> some users are surprised an report bugs, I'll just close them and point the to the discussion
[09:24] <jibel> and*
[09:24] <Wimpress> seb128: Thanks for checking on that.
[09:25] <seb128> jibel, thanks!
[09:25] <seb128> Wimpress, np
[09:26] <Wimpress> That buig actually affect Ubuntu MATE and Kylin. I'll follow up.
[09:27] <Laney> Wonder if xnox said anywhere that this was being implemented
[09:27] <seb128> Wimpress, exfat-fuse?
[09:27] <Wimpress> Yes.
[09:27] <seb128> Laney, I didn't read anything about it
[09:27] <Wimpress> Seeded in Ubuntu MATE.
[09:28] <seb128> :p
[09:28] <Wimpress> And Kylin.
[09:28] <seb128> it's probably a good idea to drop it then yes :)
[09:28] <Wimpress> Indeed.
[09:37] <jibel> Laney, he didn't
[09:43] <jibel> xnox, I think the type of the partition of the ESP in BIOS mode is wrong, it should be 'ef' not 'b'
[10:18] <seb128> (and back now)
[11:04] <xnox> seb128: integrity check improvements are as per email thread and ongoing installer boot options review with mpt. This implementation is not final, but is a massive improvement. Still need to get UX rereviewed with mpt as it simply addressed a long lost of complaints about it from mpt. I.e. I am not sure if I should store the result of the check somewhere, to surface a warning in the installer with
[11:04] <xnox> translations once we boot fully.
[11:05] <xnox> jibel: can you please comment on that partman-auto / ubiquity bug report about type of partition? I will not have time to look at that right now, but don't want to loose this information.
[11:07] <seb128> xnox, thx for working on it in any case ... I didn't test yet, but we still start the installer if the check failed?
[11:08] <xnox> seb128: at the moment yes, with a warning printed and a longer delay.
[11:08] <seb128> k
[11:56] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, hi, would you dare to run autopkgtests on https://launchpad.net/%7Elibreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/libreoffice-prereleases/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=focal
[12:02] <marcustomlinson> ricotz: maybe not today, I suspect the builders are gonna be busy with ff stuff
[12:02] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, alright
[12:02] <ricotz> marcustomlinson, please don't push no-change rebuild of libreoffice for poppler
[12:03] <ricotz> uploading 6.4.1 is way more efficient given its buildtime
[12:05] <ricotz> hellsworth, hi, ^
[12:06] <GunnarHj> Hey seb128!
[12:06] <GunnarHj> seb128: Aware of any plans for xkeyboard-config? Upstream has recently released 2.29, but Debian is still on 2.26 (quiet there the last year). Should we by-pass Debian and upgrade?
[12:16] <tjaalton> GunnarHj: I can update it there
[12:16] <tjaalton> so far pkg-xorg has been just me the past year..
[12:16] <tjaalton> more or less
[12:17] <GunnarHj> tjaalton: Excellent! Then I await your update before preparing a merge in Ubuntu.
[12:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey GunnarHj, sounds like you got a reply :)
[12:18] <tjaalton> what's the diff like?
[12:18] <seb128> GunnarHj, do you want to maybe look at the new ibus?
[12:19] <tjaalton> GunnarHj: since we don't support d-i anymore, I don't think the split of xkb-data-i18n is needed anymore
[12:19] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, should gnome-shell-extension-appindicator/exp be synced to focal?
[12:19] <Laney> put it in the silo ?
[12:20] <tjaalton> GunnarHj: and we don't cache xkb data anymore, so I guess it could be synced then, assuming all the others are upstream by now
[12:20] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah, xkeyboard-config is under control then. Which new ibus are you talking about? slangasek recently updated it.
[12:20] <seb128> GunnarHj, 1.5.22
[12:21] <seb128> GunnarHj, https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ibus/news/20200226T120812Z.html
[12:21] <Laney> Feb 27 12:15:39 focal-vm gnome-shell[876]: JS ERROR: Error: Type name Gjs_WindowClone is already registered
[12:21] <Laney> /o\
[12:22] <seb128> Trevviiinnhhoooo
[12:22] <GunnarHj> tjaalton: Ok, syncing is more convenient, of course. I'll take a look and see if there is anything I believe we still need.
[12:22] <seb128> GunnarHj, thx
[12:22] <tjaalton> yep
[12:23] <Laney> fixed with upgrading libgjs0g, it's a not strict enough dependency
[12:25] <seb128> ah, good
[12:25] <GunnarHj> seb128: Will look at ibus 1.5.22. I think the most important stuff is already in via patches. Possibly we should wait until they move it to unstable?
[12:26] <seb128> GunnarHj, the version we currently have is also only in experimental, unsure why they don't move to unstable
[12:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, https://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ibus.html shows they had the previous version upload to experimental as well so I guess it has more to do with packaging change than with the new version
[12:27] <seb128> GunnarHj, anyway I just wanted to know if you could look at/evaluate if we should get the new version, "no" is a valid answer :)
[12:29] <GunnarHj> seb128: I looked at it as late as last night, and concluded that it's probably no hurry due to Steve's upload. But sure, I can prepare an upload based on the experimental variant if you like.
[12:32] <seb128> GunnarHj, no, I was just wondering if the .22 update from upstream had fixes we maybe should consider
[12:32] <seb128> seems not from you say so all good :)
[12:43] <GunnarHj> tjaalton: If we don't need xkb-data-i18n any longer, I think we are ready to start syncing. There is a postinst script too, which removes /var/lib/xkb/*.xkm files, but I can't recall that I have seen such files there for many cycles.
[12:44] <tjaalton> GunnarHj: that's the xkb cache, we dropped the xserver patch some time ago because it caused issues bigger than the tiny speedup it gave
[12:45] <tjaalton> so yeah, should be syncable then
[12:45] <GunnarHj> tjaalton: Great!
[12:56] <Laney> seb128: Trevinho: I copied apppindicator to the silo
[12:56] <seb128> Laney, ack
[12:59] <Laney> https://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/aaaa.png
[12:59] <Laney> this could be better
[12:59] <Laney> wait
[13:00] <Laney> NM!
[14:18] <marcustomlinson> Laney: think we could wangle a ubuntu-release-upgrader release in time for ff?
[15:14] <Laney> probably, don't worry I know what the deadlines are :-)
[15:42] <seb128> ricotz, hey, any chance you could look at kylin-greeter not building with the current vala? we need to rebuild if with the new gnome-desktop...
[15:42] <seb128> 'greeter-list.vala:185.5-185.22: error: Creation method of abstract class cannot be public.
[15:42] <seb128>     public GreeterList (Background bg)'
[15:46] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:47] <kenvandine> good morning hellsworth
[15:48] <hellsworth> hi kenvandine
[15:51] <oSoMoN> morning hellsworth
[15:51] <hellsworth> hi thre oSoMoN
[16:03] <hellsworth> it is so nice to see libreoffice all Pass across update_excuses :)
[16:08] <tkamppeter> seb128, Laney, I have a question about my gscan2pdf-blocks-everything Merge Request, https://code.launchpad.net/~till-kamppeter/britney/hints-ubuntu/+merge/379911 Is it assigned correctly to "Ubuntu Package Archive Administrators"? Or have I to move it to "ubuntu-release" or so?
[16:09] <Laney> indeed, ubuntu-release is the team for that
[16:10] <Laney> sigh
[16:10] <Laney> someone retried that with all-proposed while there was an uninstallable kernel
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[16:19] <Laney> hey it's FF FF today
[16:19] <Laney> something which happens only every 13 years
[16:19] <hellsworth> :D
[16:20] <marcustomlinson> what a time to be alive!
[16:20] <tkamppeter> Laney: FFFFF (Feature Freeze For Focal Fossa).
[16:20] <hellsworth> 11111111111111111111
[16:21] <tkamppeter> Laney, but in some weeks it will happen again: Final Freeze For Focal Fossa
[16:21] <Laney> actually I guess Final Freeze :(
[16:21] <Laney> ok fine it's Fe Fr Fo Fa
[16:21] <Laney> ok fine it's Fe Fr Fo Fo
[16:21] <Laney> and then it'll be Fi Fr Fo Fo
[16:22] <hellsworth> i smell an englishman?
[16:22] <marcustomlinson> Fe Fi Fo Fum
[16:22] <marcustomlinson> haha
[16:22] <hellsworth> haha
[16:22]  * hellsworth highfives marcustomlinson
[16:22] <Laney> no flies on you guys
[16:22] <Wimpress> I smell the imminent release of a Focal Fossa?
[16:22] <tkamppeter> hellsworth, 111...?
[16:22] <hellsworth> binary of FFFFF
[16:23] <tkamppeter> hellsworth, thanks.
[16:23] <tkamppeter> Someone of you speaks German: WWWWWWWWW.
[16:24] <tkamppeter> Wenn wir Wiener Wien wienern, wienern wir Wiener Wien.
[16:25] <tkamppeter> Means: If we from Vienna clean Vienna, we from Vienna are cleaning Vienna.
[16:26] <Laney> :D
[16:26] <Laney> I liked Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
[16:26] <Laney> it's a bit US english for me but I can get it if I think hard ;-)
[16:27] <marcustomlinson> my brain...
[16:27] <marcustomlinson> Reminds me of that Chinese poem
[16:28] <marcustomlinson> The Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den
[16:33] <tkamppeter> Laney, switched to release-team, let us hope to get rid of gscan2pdf DoS attacks from Debian.
[16:34] <Laney> Not sure if we should use all
[16:34] <Laney> I've added hints for the current version
[16:36] <tkamppeter> Laney. I suggested "all" because otherwise we have to fix it whenever some Debian guy uploads a new version. And according what I see on the sane-devel mailing list gscan2pdf upstream is released frequently.
[16:36] <Laney> Then the test should be turned off in the package I think
[16:36] <Laney> Otherwise we're running it unnecessarily
[16:39] <tkamppeter> Laney, so the "force-badtest" means that the test is run but the result is ignored? For what does one need this?
[16:40] <Laney> I don't really want to get into an extended debate about test semantics right now, sorry Till
[16:40] <Laney> Trying to review marcustomlinson's branch
[16:40] <Laney> We can talk about it in person if you really want nto
[16:43] <Laney> marcustomlinson: can you do a bit o'squashing while I test this please?
[16:45] <marcustomlinson> Laney: sqaushing?
[16:45] <Laney> ah
[16:46] <Laney> rebase your branch and merge the commits into logical units
[16:46] <Laney> but if you have to learn how to rebase ... maybe don't bother :p
[16:50] <Laney> I am totally going to mess up releasing this
[16:59] <marcustomlinson> gotta see the doc now, back later
[16:59] <Laney> laters
[17:03] <marcustomlinson> ok nvm, still waiting. and now I remember this is git not bzr
[17:04] <marcustomlinson> Laney: is it not possible to squash merge?
[17:05] <marcustomlinson> would you like me to squash everything into a sinlge commit on my branch?
[17:05] <Laney> Kind of, I can add a merge commit instead of N separate ones, that's pretty similar to bzr merges
[17:05] <Laney> do you think one commit makes sense? if so, then that'd be nice
[17:06] <Laney> then you can describe the idea in the message which would be sweet
[17:08] <Laney> so you can do git rebase -i origin/ubuntu/master, change all the 'pick' except the first one to 'fixup' and the first one to 'reword', and then write a nice message in the editor you get
[17:08] <Laney> should do it
[17:11] <Laney> ah yay, I got the pre-build.sh script to finish
[17:17] <marcustomlinson> sorry battling poor connection
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[17:30] <marcustomlinson> Laney: that ok?
[17:31] <Laney> marcustomlinson: I think you've downplayed your own work there :P
[17:31] <Laney> it makes it look like you just added a .json file
[17:31] <Laney> but if you're happy with it that's fine by me
[17:31] <marcustomlinson> Laney: yeah I'm ok with it haha
[17:32] <Laney> so nice having a local mirror
[17:32] <Laney> took about 1 minute to download the whole dist-upgrade
[17:39] <ricotz> seb128, I can take a look at kylin-greeter
[17:46] <seb128> ricotz, thanks!
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[17:52] <Laney> OOH YEAH look at those deleted snaps
[18:01] <marcustomlinson> :)
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[18:03] <Laney> DONE
[18:03] <Laney> I didn't get gnome-shell and friends uploaded
[18:04] <Laney> Marco told me he had to fix something in ubuntu-dock, and then disappeared
[18:04] <Laney> so it's going to have to be tomorrow I'm afraid (or someone else can work with Trevinho tonight)
[18:04] <marcustomlinson> \o/
[18:05] <marcustomlinson> (I mean for my thing, not Trevinho's)
[18:07] <marcustomlinson> Laney: not sure if I can help with the upload?
[18:19] <marcustomlinson> Laney: do you know how the tarball ends up here: https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts-development
[18:19] <marcustomlinson> sorry I think I asked this before and missed the response
[18:19]  * marcustomlinson looks for it
[18:23] <marcustomlinson> ok done at the hospital, home time -> afk
[18:34] <marcustomlinson> Ah ffs nvm again...
[18:34] <marcustomlinson> We have to wait around for an hour for blood results. I thought we’d just get them in the post
[18:35] <tkamppeter> Laney, how did you solve the gscan2pdf problem?
[18:38] <tjaalton> GunnarHj: xkeyboard-config is now in sid
[18:38] <tjaalton> the update
[18:39] <tkamppeter> Laney, and thanks for the fix.
[18:41] <GunnarHj> tjaalton: Nice! Please note that don't have upload rights for that package in Ubuntu either, so can you please sync it once it's possible to do that?
[18:42] <tjaalton> sure
[18:42] <GunnarHj> Thanks!
[18:45] <ricotz> seb128, https://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/sponsoring/0001-Constructors-of-abstract-class-must-not-be-public.patch
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[18:50] <Trevinho> Laney: ouch, I had a crash of the usb subsystem and I didn't reopen the chats on restart... -_-
[18:51] <Trevinho> well stuff was ready to upload though
[18:51] <seb128> ricotz, thanks, I've uploaded that now!
[18:53] <ricotz> seb128, this looks weird ;) https://launchpadlibrarian.net/466870355/kylin-greeter_19.04.1build2_19.04.1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[18:53] <seb128> ricotz, shrug!
[18:53] <ricotz> this is a native package
[18:53] <seb128> stupid debian packaging systems :p
[18:53] <seb128> yes, indeed ...
[18:56] <seb128> ricotz, reuploaded with the packaging noise undone, thanks for noticing/pointing it out
[18:57] <seb128> Trevinho, you need to fix your IRC notifications somehow :)
[19:01] <Trevinho> seb128: no, I need to remember to open any chat system once I reboot xD
[19:02] <Trevinho> seb128: anyway the silo is fine for being published as it is if you want, although Laney told that he can do it tomorrow too, so as you guys prefer
[19:02] <Trevinho> I wanted to upload a change on dash-to-dock but looks like the fix needed is a bit more complex, so I can wait for later
[19:02] <Trevinho> in the mean time, I've troubles with my usb keyboard it seems -_-
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