[00:10] <brimestone> is there a network configuration tool (TUI) for ubuntu 18.04 like nmtui for Centos?
[00:10] <ducasse> nmtui exists for ubuntu too
[00:10] <brimestone> Oh really?..
[00:10] <ducasse> really
[00:10] <brimestone> awesome.. thanks.. not sure why I assumed its Centos only
[00:11] <ducasse> np
[00:31] <brimestone> I'm cloning an SSD to deploy on a few super micro servers.. But sometimes the ethernet is call eth0, eth1 them sometime its enp1s0, enp2s1
[00:32] <brimestone> How do I get the logical name of the ethernet ports
[00:33] <leftyfb> "ifconfig" or "ip a" or "ls /sys/class/net"
[00:36] <brimestone> thanks.. ethernet with no cable connected shows 'DOWN'...
[00:37] <silg> Hello Linux Wizards, my display turns on & off when an app goes full screen, sometimes it stays off as if it cant display the resolution... this happens on desktop apps and games(age of empires2)... I started having this problem after updating libmesa... What could be going wrong? Any config files I should check?
[00:39] <leftyfb> silg: what version of ubuntu?
[00:39] <silg> Pop os 19.10
[00:40] <leftyfb> silg: try #popos
[00:40] <silg> i suppose its the same as ubuntu 19
[00:41] <leftyfb> !popos | silg
[00:41] <silg> okey dokey
[00:41] <silg> thanks
[00:41] <oerheks> popos uses a huge list of tweaked apps https://launchpad.net/~system76/+archive/ubuntu/pop/?field.series_filter=bionic
[00:42] <sarnold> silg: on my x1c, I'd have an external monitor pop on and off, presumably when the machine was drawing too much power, when I used the monitor's USB-C to deliver power and video
[00:43] <sarnold> silg: using a dock with dedicated power supply appears to have helped me
[00:44] <sarnold> silg: iirc when this happened dmesg was filled with messages about pci devices being reset
[00:47] <brimestone> @leftyfb 'ip a' & ls /sys/class/net' shows enp2s0 and enp3s1 but they show as 'DOWN' state even though I have a cable connected and activity LED is blinking.
[00:48] <leftyfb> brimestone: do they have an ip address?
[00:48] <brimestone> They are both set to dhcp
[00:49] <leftyfb> brimestone: do they have an ip address?
[00:49] <brimestone> No they don't
[00:49] <leftyfb> then they are down
[00:50] <sarnold> ip link set foo up    # may helkp
[00:50] <brimestone> So like the ports are damage
[01:11] <Psi-Jack> So, this is wierd. I've configured my grub and plymouth colors to be a blue, rather than a purple. And, when I shut down, the ubuntu-logo-mod (my blue one), shows blue. But on boot it's purple the moment it asks for the LUKS password.
[01:11] <TJ-> brimestone: use "ethtool" to check the port state... especially power-saving, which often causes issues
[01:12] <brimestone> Let me check
[01:16] <brimestone> Now its starting to show.. the ports I need somehow set it set as a "Fibre" port
[01:17] <TJ-> brimestone: is it SFP ?
[01:17] <brimestone> No.. its a PCI GigE port.. Realteck
[01:19] <oerheks> Psi-Jack, that must be tracable in  /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/gnome-shell.css  for 19.10
[01:19] <TJ-> brimestone: I wonder if the chipset/firmware is misreporting its capabilities
[01:20] <oerheks> 18.04 /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/ubuntu.css
[01:20] <Psi-Jack> oerheks: But... .css would be for gnome-shell, not grub/plymouth...
[01:20] <oerheks> oh
[01:20] <Psi-Jack> heh
[01:20] <oerheks> i thought luks was beyound grub
[01:21] <brimestone> So it is the PCI e'fed up
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> Nope.
[01:21] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: what is asking for the LUKS passphrase? are you using encrypted /boot/ or is this from the initial ramdisk plymouth prompt?
[01:22] <Psi-Jack> TJ-: The latter. It's the main system volume that's encrypted.
[01:22] <Psi-Jack> boot, I believe, is not, it was the "simple" encrypted system install.
[01:22] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: OK, so the colour is being set by plymouth, not grub
[01:22] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: so in *theory* the plymouth theme should hold during the LUKS prompt
[01:22] <Psi-Jack> Correct. Which I made a new plymouth theme, ubuntu-logo-mod, and re-build the initramfs with it...
[01:23] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: I'd suggest you "sudo unmkinitramfs /boot/initrd-img.$VERSION /tmp/initrd" or similar and check out what is actually stored in the initrd - I'm guessing you'll find something of your theme, if not all, is missing
[01:24] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: I avoid the GUI splash/themes and use text modes so can't help you much more than that
[01:24] <oerheks> plymouth:debug
[01:24] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Plymouth#Debugging
[01:24] <Psi-Jack> Heh, I mean, I'd be fine with THAT too, technically, I just don't like the purple.
[01:26] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: I set  GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text and have "nosplash" in the kernel command line
[01:26]  * TJ- prefers to see what's going on :)
[01:27] <Psi-Jack> I actually kind of prefer the way Fedora does it, actually. They keep the system's own boot logos, and add a loading spinner to that.
[01:32] <TJ-> I detest spinners... reminds me too much Windows... I'd rather like to know what MY device is doing
[01:33] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[01:33] <Psi-Jack> That change just requires an update-grub, yes?
[01:35] <TJ-> Psi-Jack: yes
[02:07] <Psi-Jack> Hmm yeah,. I don't really see much about plymouth themes in the unmkinitrd extraction
[02:23] <notguest96> Hi, I'm running Kubuntu and can't seem to install ungoogled chrome
[02:24] <notguest96> qApt doesn't seem to recognize it for me
[02:24] <Psi-Jack> "ungoogled chrome?"
[02:25] <notguest96> https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium#downloads
[02:25] <notguest96> this is what i'm talking about
[02:25] <notguest96> here's a more accurate link
[02:25] <notguest96> https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/
[02:27] <sarnold> notguest96: what's not working?
[02:28] <notguest96> When I right click "install with qApt" it doesn't work
[02:28] <notguest96> for me atleast
[02:28] <notguest96> It just blanks out
[02:28] <notguest96> I'll post a screenshot of it
[02:32] <sarnold> notguest96: btw you may have better success with adding this ppa to your sources, so you don't have to return to that page and download new packages every few days https://launchpad.net/~braewoods/+archive/ubuntu/ungoogled-chromium
[02:35] <notguest96> sarnold thanks, i'll try that
[02:35] <notguest96> Also here's the screenshot
[02:35] <notguest96> https://youdieifyou.work/files/ueqskmrnqoxw.png
[02:37] <sarnold> notguest96: strange. it got further than I expected, and yet not far enough. strange
[02:38] <notguest96> That's what i'm wondering
[02:45] <jmgb4> Just wondering if anybody is able to get the nvidia 440 drivers installed successfully? Ive been trying with zero luck. It seems the 390 worked but cant go past that.
[02:47] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: !info nvidia-driver-440 bionic
[02:47] <Bashing-om> !info nvidia-driver-440 bionic
[02:47] <jmgb4> !info nvidia-driver-440 bionic
[02:48] <jmgb4> hmm
[02:48] <jmgb4> !info nvidia-driver-440
[02:48] <oerheks> maybe from the driver ppa?
[02:48] <jmgb4> The driver ppa only seems to have 390
[02:49] <jmgb4> Well thats not true, it has 440 but refuses to load the kernel module successfully
[02:49] <oerheks> ubuntu-driver autoinstall should give the optimum driver, 390 it is
[02:49] <jmgb4> yea 390 is pretty old
[02:49] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: ^^ yup . for later release cards - are you sure your card supports that version driver ? ( we can verify).
[02:49] <jmgb4> 750m is good with the 440 level Bashing-om
[02:51] <jmgb4> Just confused at why the 440 packages doesnt properly add the module... maybe I am doing it wrong, idk
[02:52] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: recheck - as nvidia says otherwise: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/149219/en-us .
[02:53] <jmgb4> Just confused at why the 440 packages doesnt properly add the module... maybe I am doing it wrong, ctrl+f "750M"
[02:53] <jmgb4> wow stupid machine
[02:54] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, Go to the supported cards
[02:54] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, 750M is there
[02:55] <sarnold> does /usr/share/doc/nvidia-driver-440/README.txt.gz agree?
[02:55] <sarnold> at least I hope that's generated from the same thing the driver supports in the sources
[02:55] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: Lots I do not know for sure - but nvidia tops out at Version:418.88 on that page.
[02:56] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, hmm Ill look for the 440 version, I just noticed that wasnt the 440, one minute
[02:56] <jmgb4> https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/152590/en-us Bashing-om. Beta I guess but still
[02:57] <jmgb4> and... its not on that list. Could be the issue Bashing-om lol
[03:00] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: concur - the M series is not listed there.
[03:02] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, It looks like 418 is the most up to date for the 750m
[03:02] <jmgb4> Purging 40, installing 18 right now
[03:03] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, I dont see apt pulling down anything like dkms or something like it, not sure how ubuntu is supposed to konw to recomile the kernel with the module or.... I am probably just over thinking it
[03:08] <jmgb4> nope
[03:09] <jmgb4> Now ubuntu thinks I dont have an nvidia
[03:09] <jmgb4> I dont get it
[03:09] <sarnold> does ubuntu-drivers list  show anything?
[03:11] <jmgb4> sarnold, 340 even though 418 is installed
[03:11] <jmgb4> sorry.. nvidia-340.. nvidia-driver-390
[03:12] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: One must purge the old driver prior to installing another.
[03:12] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, I did purge it
[03:13] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: 'dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia' ?
[03:13] <sarnold> Bashing-om: really? that's unfortunate :/
[03:14] <jmgb4> ah
[03:14] <jmgb4> More purging to come
[03:15] <Hoople_ny> jmgb4 - did you switch to the generic driver BEFORE doing the purge? I'm not at expert level at all, just thinking out loud...
[03:15] <jmgb4> Hoople_ny, Its on generic right now
[03:15] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: ' sudo apt purge nvidia-* ' should take care of most . then check for any residual config files.
[03:19] <eelstrebor> i'm having trouble with openvpn on one machine that gives me an error message for a file that i can't seem to find: ovpn-rog-linux.conf
[03:20] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, yeah chugging along, thanks for your help. Still taking note of what gets purged so I make sure it gets reinstalled
[03:20] <eelstrebor> the error is this: Options error: In [CMD-LINE]:1: Error opening configuration file: /etc/openvpn/rog-linux.conf.conf
[03:21] <eelstrebor> the filename should be and is /etc/openvpn/rog-linux.conf - where's that appended .conf coming from?
[03:21] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: :D
[03:22] <eelstrebor> i tried re-installing openvpn but that didn't help
[03:22] <sarnold> are you passing 'rog-linux.conf' to some tool that expected to be passed 'rog-linux' instead?
[03:22] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, and before, I didnt mean to say anything like you are flat our wrong when you said you dont know a lot -- didnt mean to come off that way if I did, I screw up plenty too
[03:22] <eelstrebor> it's suppose to be run by systemctl
[03:23] <eelstrebor> systemctl start openvpn@rog-linux.conf
[03:23] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: We are ALL working to find a workable solution. And you did provide your working thesis :P
[03:24] <sarnold> eelstrebor: hmm then perhaps you've got a funny unit name? try systemctl list-units 'openvpn*'  ?
[03:24] <sarnold> eelstrebor: ah. try systemctl start openvpn@rog-linux
[03:24] <jmgb4> hmm
[03:25] <jmgb4> dkms failed
[03:25] <sarnold> (maybe after stopping openvpn@rog-linux.conf and disabling openvpn@rog-linux.conf to stop getting those messages)
[03:26] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: Any hints ' sudo dkms status ' ?
[03:26] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, yeah digging into it one minute
[03:28] <jmgb4> whats strange is 418 dependso n 430, both fail to configure
[03:28] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, status shows 430 added but not 418 for status
[03:29] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: One can Use the following to find out your lone DKMS packages
[03:29] <Bashing-om> for i in /var/lib/dkms/*/[^k]*/source; do [ -e "$i" ] || echo "$i";done
[03:30] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, working on nopaste right now
[03:30] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, Ill do that one too
[03:30] <jmgb4> https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1292307 - crash report
[03:31] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: reading.
[03:31] <jmgb4> https://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?1292308 -- "compile"? lack of better terms
[03:32] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, your bash judo returns nothing
[03:34] <Bashing-om> jmgb4: Yukkiepoo - dkms is not installed ? ( and yes the apt install should have picked it up as a dependency )
[03:34] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, I know thats strange, but if you look at line 36, 37 it fails for both..
[03:35] <Nyle> hello
[03:35] <Nyle> Trying to update ubuntu 18.04 today and Ig et this error for mariadb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7pNt2py2Yw/
[03:37] <sarnold> Nyle: you may want to ask ondrej, too
[03:38] <Nyle> how come?
[03:38] <jmgb4> Bashing-om, Im going to try and bounce, it says 430 is added for nvidia, if not I think X is smart enough to fall back. One minute
[03:38] <oerheks> apt inatall -f; and run dist-upgrade
[03:38] <sarnold> Nyle: his ppa sometimes doesn't work with packages from the ubuntu archive, he may have already seen this one
[03:39] <Nyle> sarnold: you'd have to be more specific.
[03:40] <Nyle> Neither mariadb packages listed in the error are from his ppa.
[03:41] <Nyle> Seems like the package policy is the same for both mariadb-server and mariadb-server-10.1
[03:41] <oerheks> 4 not upgraded. 2 not fully installed or removed.
[03:42] <Nyle> oerheks: fix doesn't do anything but try to run --configure again and fails.
[11:30] <XsiSec> Hi Folks I am currently is trying to install ubuntu with LVM, I want to seperate have own partitions for  /root, /home but If I follow the ubuntu 910 fully setup everything is one drive, also when I select advanced partion manager, I cant set the encrypted drives any ideas?
[11:39] <EriC^^> XsiSec: that's normal, you have to manually partition differently to set up more partitions, see here for more info on how to do it https://askubuntu.com/questions/918021/encrypted-custom-install
[11:42] <XsiSec> thanks
[11:43] <EriC^^> no problem
[11:51] <gerep> Which tool can I use to get a history of my CPU usage and get the process that is causing that? I am having some random high CPU usages and I cannot find which process is causing that.
[11:52] <gerep> I have read about `sar` but for what I have seen so far it doesn't look like it shows me the processes, only the CPU usage at the time.
[11:52] <gerep> I need to know the history of CPU usage by the process :)
[11:53] <XsiSec> awesome guide EriC^^ :D
[11:53] <XsiSec> in goal :D
[11:55] <lotuspsychje> gerep: just leave a realtime htop and a journalctl -f running, and see what causes it?
[11:55] <gerep> lotuspsychje, the peaks are random. Your suggestion is to log that information from htop?
[11:56] <gerep> I have a monitoring service from GCP that will alert me of those hight CPU usages.
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> gerep: no, look at your system while you are using it
[11:57] <lotuspsychje> even if its random, you should notice peaks at one time right
[11:57] <EriC^^> gerep: it seems "atop" can log and give you stuff similar to top's output except recorded with time, although sar may be able to do the same
[11:58] <EriC^^> XsiSec: great :D
[11:58] <JimBuntu> gerep: please note that when using virtualized machines such as those standard/common from GCP that actions from others using the same hardware can cause side-effects on other vms which you may not be able to observe, such as general IO spikes.
[11:58] <gerep> lotuspsychje, that is not doable, like I said, random peaks and I am not always available to check, it has to be logged so I can read later.
[11:58] <gerep> EriC^^, Yes, I was reading about sar but I cannot see a process number in its logs.
[11:59] <gerep> JimBuntu, I understand, thanks for the info.
[11:59] <EriC^^> gerep: atop seems easier to use and more straightforward
[11:59] <gerep> EriC^^, Thanks, will try atop.
[11:59] <EriC^^> gerep: no problem
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:58] <aeifn> how to change xorg hotkey ctrl-alt-f# to alt-f# (for switching to raw console)?
[13:04] <ioria> aeifn, i edited /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/srvr_ctrl   (not a fresh memory , btw)
[13:06] <ioria> aeifn, yes,  https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=196578
[13:26] <albech> Anyone know of a Ricochet CLI client for Ubuntu?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> albech, check your package manager
[13:44] <k_sze> My laptop won't suspend for some reason.
[13:45] <k_sze> e.g. even if I run `sudo systemctl suspend`, it would *attempt* to suspend. I could hear the fan wind down, but then it immediately wake up again (I can hear the fan spin up again), although the screen remains suspended.
[13:46] <EriC^^> k_sze: http://pchelp.youtubextras.com/
[13:46] <EriC^^> sorry wrong link
[13:46] <EriC^^> http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[13:46] <EriC^^> you want the 2nd one, try the acpi fix/workaround
[14:01] <Nyle> oerheks: sarnold: I grabbed the 10.4 packages from mariadb official ubuntu repo, now it's good.
[14:01] <Nyle> Ubuntu did something to break mariadb-server packages lately.
[14:02] <Nyle> 10.1 seems uninstallable in 18.04
[14:02] <Nyle> See if you can setup a VM and try to replicate?
[14:05] <k_sze> EriC^^, thanks. gonna try that now.
[14:12] <littlekimmy> hello
[14:12] <littlekimmy> what if my iptables is empty in what way is it bad compared to ufw enable
[14:14] <Nyle> Ondrej packages seem to be fine for even php7.4
[14:14] <Nyle> They dont' seem to clash with ubuntu packages. Let me test
[14:15] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: ufw uses iptables to setup it's rules. If iptables is empty, ufw is disabled
[14:15] <Nyle> https://www.psychedelicsdaily.com/MushroomCalculator.php?wet=0&mao=1 ok that works. mariadb server packages of 10.4 also works, it retained my databases/users/config too.
[14:16] <littlekimmy> leftyfb: if i leave by iptables default, - empty in what way is it bad
[14:16] <Nyle> Very nice. Though one thing, I think the mardiadb ubuntu packages run as a different user than mariadb 10.4 from their own server/repo
[14:16] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: huh?
[14:16] <Nyle> https://downloads.mariadb.org/mariadb/repositories/#distro=Ubuntu&distro_release=bionic--ubuntu_bionic&mirror=uab&version=10.4 I did this
[14:16] <littlekimmy> I mean if i don't use ufw or iptables
[14:16] <Nyle> littlekimmy: it's not 'bad'.
[14:16] <littlekimmy> so how can the attacker access the system
[14:16] <Nyle> I don't know what that even means.
[14:17] <littlekimmy> if router is not used, only modem.
[14:17] <Nyle> littlekimmy: a good policy is to block everything and only whitelist what you need.
[14:17] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: then that is bad
[14:17] <littlekimmy> I have only modem setup, and no router
[14:17] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: get a router or enable ufw. It seems like you already know the answer to this
[14:17] <Nyle> I would block everything, filter everything, and allow 22, maybe 21, 113 for ident if you want, 80 for http, whatever else you need, then block everything else as the last rule
[14:18] <littlekimmy> yes but how will i/attacker access pc if no ruleset , which cmd
[14:18] <leftyfb> !ot | littlekimmy
[14:18] <littlekimmy> hmm ubuntu said it has no open ports by default
[14:19] <Nyle> That's great
[14:19] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: it doesn't. That doesn't mean it's safe.
[14:19] <Nyle> You can run an online port scanner on your public ip to see.
[14:19] <Nyle> BTW, every single router/modem is a NAT device (firewall) inherently
[14:19] <leftyfb> Nyle: that is false
[14:19] <leftyfb> wait, sorry
[14:19] <littlekimmy> in my local network how will i access my ubuntu machine if all rules flushed
[14:19] <leftyfb> router/modem, yes. Not modem though
[14:19] <Nyle> You don't have to setup iptables rules per se on your own device. Your home router also handles that, to some degree depending on ISP/modem model
[14:20] <littlekimmy> i don't use router Nyle
[14:20] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: how do you have a local network if you only have a direct modem with no router?
[14:20] <JimBuntu> littlekimmy: does your 'modem' offer wifi connections?
[14:20] <Nyle> These days, most cable modems have router built in
[14:21] <Nyle> Does your cable modem have more than 1 ethernet port for client machines?
[14:21] <Nyle> If so, it's routing. If it only has one ethernet output, then it's not routing.
[14:21] <littlekimmy> JimBuntu: no it's the modem only
[14:21] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: what is the local ip address of your computer?
[14:22] <littlekimmy> leftyfb: my pc or modem ?
[14:22] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: your pc
[14:22] <Nyle> what model is the modem, please. Manufacturur's name and model from the modem, please read it here
[14:22] <leftyfb> I said computer
[14:22] <Nyle> that way we can all be srue exactly what you have
[14:22] <JimBuntu> leftyfb: we should still be a little careful asking that in case they provide their public internet-facing IP
[14:23] <leftyfb> JimBuntu: we have their public facing ip already
[14:23] <leftyfb> oh, maybe not
[14:23] <JimBuntu> presuming they aren't on a VPN or such, yeah, probably :)
[14:23] <littlekimmy> but how will the attacker access my pc, if no ruleset, and he known modem password- as it's default
[14:23] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: please PM me the local ip address of your computer
[14:24] <littlekimmy> so if the ruleset if empty whats the cmd they could use , as no ssh is installed, could they still do it? how ?
[14:24] <littlekimmy> without ssh server it seems impossible
[14:24] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: ok, please go to #ubuntu-security for help
[14:24] <Nyle> https://pentest-tools.com/network-vulnerability-scanning/tcp-port-scanner-online-nmap
[14:24] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: this is not an ubuntu support issue
[14:24] <Nyle> Put your public internet facing ip in here an scan yourself.
[14:24] <sixwheeledbeast> Is there a ubuntu specific question here?
[14:24] <Nyle> If you don't know your ip, google for what's my ip
[14:25] <Nyle> Then you can use ufw or iptables commands to block those ports that you find open and vuln.
[14:25] <Nyle> if you have another ubuntu machine on the network, you can also run nmap there to test this machine
[14:26] <Nyle> s/ubuntu/linux/
[14:26] <leftyfb> Nyle: if he's directly connected to the internet to a modem, there's no local network. Not accessible from the same machine. Not without a NAT or multiple networks going on in some way
[14:26] <Nyle> Also, unless you have an ubuntu specific question, perhaps move this over to ##security or ##networking
[14:28] <leftyfb> Unless his modem is hooked up to a switch and is giving out multiple public ip's to whatever is connected to it. That would be REALLY bad. That's also not considered a local network.
[14:44] <aeifn> ioria: thank you, work well for me
[14:55] <BadCOMRADE> BadCOMRADE:
[15:03] <yates> if i "apt install emacs" i get emacs 25. is there a way to get emacs 26?
[15:03] <yates> Linux Lubuntu-25316 4.15.0-88-generic #88-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 11 20:11:34 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> yates: there's an emacs snap if you want, 26.3
[15:10] <yates> this page says you can add a ppa like this: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kelleyk/emacs
[15:11] <yates> nm
[15:11] <yates> typo
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> yates: with ppa's you are on your own, we cant support them here
[15:12] <yates> lotuspsychje: what is an emacs "snap" and how to i use it?
[15:12] <yates> ..how do
[15:32] <littlekimmy> hey which apps are ruuning as root automatically upon boot- by default, and other user installed apps as well, how will I know them, the entire list
[15:34] <leftyfb> littlekimmy: That's not something you're going to get help with here. Again, you don't currently have any issues with ubuntu. Please seek help from #ubuntu-hardened or #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:02] <dakar> how do you make changes to /etc/resolv.conf ?
[16:02] <dakar> theyre being reverted every time.
[16:02] <dakar> the resolvconf trick didnt help
[16:03] <dakar> (for all interfaces, not specifically for some)
[16:17] <Kevin`> how can I set a user to have permission to use the default sound card without being able to use all sound cards? if I add a udev rule to change the group access to a sound card it doesn't work because there's some system process that explicitly gives users acl permissions on new sound cards
[16:18] <sanekmin> Hello. Really official channel?
[16:27] <leftyfb> sanekmin: what can we do for you?
[16:28] <leftyfb> dakar: you don't. network settings are per interface
[16:28] <sanekmin> can i ask in ubuntu chat about other produtcs for ubuntu or better no?
[16:29] <leftyfb> sanekmin: what do you mean? what products?
[16:31] <sanekmin> Unity 3d)
[16:35] <leftyfb> sanekmin: Unity 3D is not an ubuntu product
[16:36] <donaldkbrown> Hi there. I'm on Focal right now and I just did an `apt full-upgrade`. Now it's telling me that `ubuntu-software` is no longer needed. I'm fairly sure that shouldn't be removed. Any idea why it's saying that?
[16:36] <leftyfb> ubuntu+1 | donaldkbrown
[16:36] <sanekmin> ok, i know) i asked about this) can i asking about other products for ubuntu) it's mean no, thanks and sorry)
[16:37] <leftyfb> !ubuntu+1 | donaldkbrown
[16:37] <donaldkbrown> Thanks!
[17:45] <Bluewolf> Hello all. I've just upgraded my hardware, installed Windows 10 on drive and Ubuntu 18.04 on another, my problem is that install was fine but it wont install the boot loader. I loaded into the live USB and tried to manually install the boot loader to the drive and it gave me this error: failed to get canonical path of '/cow.
[17:47] <Bluewolf> Before that it was: error: will not proceed with blocklists
[17:50] <Bluewolf> Both the Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 are install, its just that I have no boot menu upon start up and it boots directly into Windows 10.
[17:51] <oerheks> change your bootdrive in bios to the 2nd hdd?
[17:51] <oerheks> or is there a legacy mbr/ uefi issue?
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: did you disable "fastboot" in windows 10?
[17:58] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: To install it you mean?
[17:59] <oerheks> !uefi
[17:59] <Bluewolf> I think so, just pressed F11 and it loaded in
[17:59] <oerheks> see the uefi manual, fastboot could prevent usb/see disk and more
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: No, for dual booting, if you haven't turned of the "fastboot" feature in windows 10, windows 10 will always mark itself to be booted directly into
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: Sorry, in windows 10 it is called "Fast Startup"
[18:00] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: In windows 10 OS itself?
[18:00] <pragmaticenigma> yes
[18:00] <Bluewolf> No I havent
[18:00] <Bluewolf> I'm not a windows user
[18:01] <oerheks> .. yes you are
[18:01] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: Settings => Power & Sleep => Additional power Settings => Define power buttons and turn on password protection => Change settings that are currently unavailable => Uncheck "Turn on fast startup (recommended)"
[18:02] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: let me try quick
[18:02] <Bluewolf> oerheks; fine I confess. Though a rather terrible one.
[18:05] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: Okay found it, but I can't untick it?
[18:05] <Bluewolf> Oh, got it
[18:05] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: There should be blue text on the screen "Change settings that are currently unavailable"
[18:06] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: Okay done. No try redoing boot loader?
[18:06] <pragmaticenigma> Yes, if you still don't have it giving you a choice now... I think you can try resinstalling the boot loader again
[18:08] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: Because I'm not 100% sure on this stuff, I just want to clarify which partition to install it to, such as /dev/sdb1, 2 or 3
[18:09] <oerheks> depends, is it an UEFI bios, or just legacy..
[18:09] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: That part I do not know, nor do I know what those represent
[18:11] <Bluewolf> oerheks: I'm not actually sure. The motherboard is a Gigabyte B365M DS3H
[18:14] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: To clarify, what I mean is which partition of the windows drive to I try to install on. There are four on the drive, Recovery, EFI System, Microsoft Reserve and Basic data
[18:15] <oerheks> only you can tell if windows is installed in uefi mode
[18:15] <oerheks> see the uefi manual
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: You don't install the boot to a windows partition
[18:15] <pragmaticenigma> You leave windows alone
[18:16] <pragmaticenigma> You create a new partition for ubuntu to live on, and it has it's own boot setup. It isn't shared on any other partition
[18:16] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: In terms of boot order, the windows drive is the first one so I have to install the boot loader to that drive?
[18:17] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: I just said no to that
[18:18] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: Then where do I install Grub?
[18:19] <Bluewolf> I've always done it that way, maybe i'm out dated xD
[18:19] <oerheks> as you seem to have 'EFI System' on the sda, you have a uefi system, boot the ubuntu installer in uefi mode, and all should go fine
[18:19] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: you don't install it anywhere... You create a new partition for Ubuntu (or designate its own drive) to install on... I don't know what you are trying to do, but that is all you should have to do
[18:19] <oerheks> again, read the uefi manual first
[18:19] <oerheks> !uefi
[18:20] <Bluewolf> oerheks: It doesn't say much and then again I'm not sure what I'm looking for, sadly I can't just contact support.
[18:20] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: when the installer is done, it will offer the option (if appropriate) to update an MBR if you have one (and again appropriate to do so)
[18:23] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: It didn't do any of that. I installed Windows 10 first, then went and installed Ubuntu. During that installation process it failed to install the Grub boot loader (For Dual boot between windows and ubuntu). The actual installation finished. I just can't access my newly installed ubuntu. If that clarifies things?
[18:23] <Bluewolf> https://www.fosslinux.com/4477/how-to-repair-the-grub-bootloader-using-a-ubuntu-live-usb-drive.htm
[18:24] <oerheks> i guess you should try again, start the ubuntu installer in UEFI mode.
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: Why don't you try the official documentation: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[18:24] <oerheks> no, do not try to repair grub bootloader, useless
[18:24] <pragmaticenigma> you think so oerheks ?
[18:24] <oerheks> it is easier to install again, uefi mode..
[18:26] <pragmaticenigma> Bluewolf: lets start with an easy fix right away. Please do not use fosslinux or any non-ubuntu website for help on installing ubuntu. They're often incomplete, are not checked for completeness, and rarely updated when things are changed or mistakes are found
[18:27] <pragmaticenigma> !uefi | Bluewolf , for the moment I highly suggest you start here. You have a fresh system, starting again is easier than trying to repair
[18:27] <Bluewolf> oerheks: Okay. With the reading I've been doing, I think my firmware is uefi
[18:27] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: Understood, I'm just a little overwhelmed.
[18:28] <pragmaticenigma> a lot has changed in installing linux in the past few years... it's best to make sure you're using resources that are supported directly by the distrobution or its community
[18:30] <Bluewolf> oerheks: The system change mentioned above by pragmaticenigma, Uncheck "Turn on fast startup (recommended)" - Is that likely to resolve the issue?
[18:31] <Bluewolf> With a fresh install that is?
[18:31] <Bluewolf> pragmaticenigma: I struggled to find anything on the community sites, perhaps its just me
[18:32] <lordcirth> Fast startup setting in EFI? That can cause problems with Linux on some motherboards
[18:32] <oerheks> disable fastboot is step 1 in the manual
[18:33] <lordcirth> fastboot would be better described as "skip some steps that hopefully weren't important"
[18:40] <Bluewolf> lordcirth: Yes fast boot is disabled
[18:54] <Bluewolf> oerheks, pragmaticenigma, lordcirth: Just gone through another install and the grub install has failed to install again. Any other ideas?
[18:57] <CaptainBlackton> Hi everyone! Does anyone know the process to get your software included in the main Ubuntu repository so it would be available to any Ubuntu user to install by default?
[18:57] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: the easy route is to get your software added to debian
[18:58] <oerheks> +1
[18:58] <CaptainBlackton> OK, thank you <sarnold>! So do you think I should ask in the Debian channel? Or can anyone here explain what we would need to do?
[19:00] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: I'm not particularly up on how new debian packages happen -- it's not particularly easy to get a new package into debian, experienced debian packagers will be a lot faster at that. and I'm also not sure how much work it is to get debian upload rights for a package -- hopefully that's less onerous than "full debian developer" status, which is a bit involved
[19:00] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: so, if you know a debian developer who wants to help, that would thousand times be easier
[19:03] <CaptainBlackton> OK, thank you!
[19:03] <sixwheeledbeast> CaptainBlackton: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.html#newpackage
[19:05] <ducasse> CaptainBlackton: also see this
[19:05] <ducasse> !motu
[19:06] <sixwheeledbeast> As above probably a good idea to reach out to a relevant existing packing team.
[19:08] <ducasse> CaptainBlackton: you could also look into adding it as a snap, that might be easier
[19:12] <CaptainBlackton> OK, thank you!
[19:13] <sixwheeledbeast> or run your own repo or ppa
, I hadn't thought of making a repo! Do you know where I could find info on how to do that?
[19:23] <CaptainBlackton> Is Debian better mainly because you get a larger audience (i.e. the Debian audience as well as Ubuntu, Mint, etc.)?
[19:23] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Hi
[19:23] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Can you see what i wrot?
[19:24] <UndefinedIsNotAF> :/ I think I'm still muted in this channel :/
[19:24] <UndefinedIsNotAF> guys?
[19:24] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: most people don't say 'hi' on irc, poeople come and go all the time
[19:24] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: and you have to wait more than a few seconds; people also work :)
[19:24] <ducasse> we can see you, do you have a question?
[19:24] <UndefinedIsNotAF> sarnold: Ok, i'm not very in phase with IRC usages
[19:25] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: yes -- I know that there are some packages that are introduced into ubuntu first, but I can't recall off-hand what they are, or what the process is to make that happen :) getting a package into debian may not be *easy* but it does benefit a lot of folks, and ubuntu will get it a few months later
[19:25] <UndefinedIsNotAF> yes I have a question: I want to find the best software on Ubuntu to share, let say cat videos with friends. Like a youtube with login/password, and like an FTP to add videos. There is open-source solution on Ubuntu to do that?
[19:27] <sixwheeledbeast> CaptainBlackton: Quick search says https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/Setup
[19:27] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: your question is not specific to ubuntu. You're looking for a web application that applies to any OS that can run a web server.
[19:27] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: another option is to make a snap package. you could probably have a snap package published in the snap store in a few hours
[19:27] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Thinking of it, it's not very complicated. Just a Node.js server to stream video, and just an HTTP server to send <video> html stuff, no?
[19:27] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: but that's a lot smaller audience than getting the package into debian.
[19:27] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: good luck
[19:27] <sarnold> CaptainBlackton: you could do both, of course
[19:28] <UndefinedIsNotAF> leftyfb: Ok ill search elsewhere if its not specific to Ubuntu, thanks
[19:28] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: I"ve heard good things about nextcloud
[19:28] <UndefinedIsNotAF> leftyfb: Do you think another query than "g Youtube-like* open-source software for "Ubuntu"" ?
[19:29] <UndefinedIsNotAF> It give me only 2 results :/
[19:29] <leftyfb> UndefinedIsNotAF: again, it's not something specific to ubuntu. Search google.
[19:29] <ducasse> !alis | UndefinedIsNotAF
[19:29] <UndefinedIsNotAF> sarnold: nextcloud support 4k Cat video streaming? It's a very important point to me.
[19:29] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Ok i'll ask Alis
[19:30] <UndefinedIsNotAF> thanks guys
[19:30] <sarnold> UndefinedIsNotAF: probably; I haven't used it msyelf, but it feels like a good fit for letting folks upload things and view things
[19:30] <UndefinedIsNotAF> cool
[19:31] <UndefinedIsNotAF> sarnold: yes i remember this one. It's the one written in the most garbage programming langage? Thats why I never considered it
[19:31] <UndefinedIsNotAF> Some clever than me people said to me that PHP is garbage. I so trust them.
[19:31] <UndefinedIsNotAF> but its not related to Ubuntu, right?
[19:32] <UndefinedIsNotAF> seeya have a great evening guys
[19:32]  * UndefinedIsNotAF disapear
[20:01] <ppavacic> hello, is there reason why  libhttp-cookies-perl is missing in repo
[20:01] <ppavacic> both debian and ubuntu's repo
[20:01] <ppavacic> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libh/libhttp-cookies-perl/libhttp-cookies-perl_6.08-1_all.deb
[20:02] <ppavacic> http://cz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libh/libhttp-cookies-perl/libhttp-cookies-perl_6.04-1_all.deb
[20:02] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libhttp-cookies-perl
[20:02] <ioria> !info libhttp-cookies-perl
[20:03] <oerheks> so, it is not missing
[20:04] <ppavacic> !indof 4pane
[20:04] <ppavacic> !info 4pane
[20:04] <ppavacic> I don't understand. Why isn't it in repos?
[20:05] <oerheks> did you enable universe for 4pane?
[20:05] <oerheks> that lib is in our repos, 6.08 is for fossa 20.04 ..
[20:05] <ppavacic> no, i was just checking that command. I'm only having problem with libhttp-cookies-pearl
[20:06] <oerheks> see the launchpad url
[20:06] <ppavacic> yes, binary is missing
[20:06] <oerheks> pearl or perl?
[20:06] <ppavacic> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/345284391/libhttp-cookies-perl_6.04-1_all.deb
[20:06] <ppavacic> perl
[20:06] <ppavacic> new keyboard lol
[20:12] <ppavacic> Whole folder is missing here
[20:12] <ppavacic> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libh/
[20:13] <ppavacic> if you try to open libhttp-cookies-perl, you will get error
[20:13] <oerheks> ppavacic, we do not do debian, sorry
[20:13] <ppavacic> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libh/
[20:13] <oerheks> and do not mix packages
[20:13] <ppavacic> same thing with ubuntu!
[20:14] <ppavacic> try to open libhttp-cookies-perl, you will get error
[20:14] <ioria> no, i don't
[20:15] <oerheks> we claim it is there.. https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/bionic/libhttp-cookies-perl
[20:15] <ppavacic> I'm not mixing packages, I accidentality sent over debian instead of ubuntu because I had them both opened
[20:15] <ducasse> ppavacic: that package is present in bionic, eoan and focal
[20:15] <oerheks> maybe run a proper update first?
[20:15] <ppavacic> its not available in 18.04
[20:15] <ppavacic> i have ran apt update
[20:15] <ioria> it is, ppavacic
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> !info libhttp-cookies-perl bionic | ppavacic
[20:16] <pragmaticenigma> it is very much there ppavacic ^  ^
[20:17] <ppavacic> I don't know why, but that folder is deleted from your servers
[20:17] <ppavacic> I can not download it and I can not access that folder in web browser
[20:17] <ioria> ppavacic, apt-cache policy libhttp-cookies-perl
[20:18] <ppavacic>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan/main amd64 Packages        500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu eoan/main i386 Packages
[20:18] <ppavacic> this is in eoan, I have it installed here. I'm having problems in docker image
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> ppavacic: Docker images are not something we can support here... they are customized by the creator and (like you are encountering) may have custom repos or other setups we don't have documenation for
[20:19] <pragmaticenigma> ppavacic: You need to contact the creator of that image for support
[20:21] <leftyfb> ppavacic: I can install and/or download libhttp-cookies-perl on ubuntu 18.04 just fine
[20:24] <ppavacic> I don't understand this, I can not even on the host distro
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> ppavacic: What is the host distro?
[20:24] <ppavacic> ubuntu 19.10
[20:24] <ppavacic> for me this link doesn't work http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libh/libhttp-cookies-perl/
[20:24] <ppavacic> Not FoundThe requested URL was not found on this server.Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu) Server at archive.ubuntu.com Port 80
[20:25] <ppavacic> This is what I get when I try accessing archive repo in browser
[20:25] <ducasse> works fine here
[20:25] <ppavacic> what?
[20:26] <ducasse> i can access that url without problems
[20:26] <pragmaticenigma> ppavacic: I can see that page just fine as well
[20:27] <pragmaticenigma> ppavacic: Are you running some sort of apt caching or proxying service ?
[20:28] <ppavacic> ok I've found problem. my router has option "filter cookies" for some reason.
[20:28] <ppavacic> in firewall. its technicolor router
[20:28] <ppavacic> I don't understand why or how or what it does, but thank you for your time
[20:29] <ppavacic> I don0t understand why did it filter only that subpage of repo
[20:32] <sirriffsalothp> Anyone got a neat command to mute all audio when using jack+pulseaudio? Things like amixer -q -D pulse sset Master toggle don't do anything
[20:35] <ioria> sirriffsalothp, and  pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle  ?
[20:39] <ppavacic> I have added answer to askubuntu, ty again https://askubuntu.com/questions/118191/apt-get-failed-to-fetch-from-ubuntu-server-with-error-code-404/1213745#1213745
[21:07] <braindead_> hey peeps
[21:07] <braindead_> i just installed ubuntu and defined a user and pw at the installation
[21:08] <braindead_> user: crap pw: crap ... so both the same
[21:08] <braindead_> but i cant log in
[21:08] <braindead_> thought maybe i failed the first time and installed it again. same problem
[21:08] <braindead_> whats my problem?
[21:09] <sarnold> how were you trying to log in?
[21:09] <sarnold> what error messages did you get?
[21:09] <braindead_> the login screen after the installation. graphical interface
[21:09] <braindead_> error message: sorry that didnt work. try again
[21:10] <braindead_> do i need to define a more secure pw? or is it not allowed to have the same pw as the username?
[21:13] <JoeLlama> I'm loooking for archival/backup software to run under ubuntu.  It needs to be able to image a hard drive, be able to open the image file to view directories and retrieve files, and of course restore that image file to a hard drive.  It also needs a decent GUI.  What's out there I can research please? :)
[21:18] <oerheks> backup from a running ubuntu? do that from a live iso
[21:18] <braindead_> joellama take a look at bacula https://www.bacula.org/
[21:18] <oerheks> dd
[21:19] <oerheks> bacula needs to be properly configured and skip some folders.
[21:20] <JoeLlama> the hard drive will be offline when I back it up
[21:20] <JoeLlama> thanks braindead_
[21:20] <JoeLlama> and oerheks
[21:20] <leftyfb> bacula isn't an image of a drive
[21:20] <JoeLlama> yeah need image for sure...
[21:20] <leftyfb> why?
[21:21] <JoeLlama> well considering the hard drive is vibrating and making a loud humming noise...
[21:21] <JoeLlama> do I need to continue? :)
[21:21] <oerheks> use dd then
[21:21] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: in that case, turn your machine off immediately, boot with a live cd/usb and use dd_rescue to make an image of your drive. So not do anything else with the machine unless you don't care about the data on it
[21:22] <JoeLlama> oh ok :) thanks oerheks.... does it have a gui?
[21:22] <sarnold> yikes then I think at this point you skip the GUI part of your request and use dd or ddrescue or dd_rescue ASAP
[21:22] <avid_fan> Bacula seems pretty complicated to backup a single drive
[21:22] <JoeLlama> the drive is off leftyfb :)
[21:22] <JoeLlama> I will look at dd
[21:22] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: neither dd nor dd_rescue have a GUI. In this case, you do not need one. Just image the drive and be done with it
[21:22] <sirriffsalothp> pactl set-sink-mute @DEFAULT_SINK@ toggle does nothing either :-S
[21:22] <sarnold> once you have the *image* then you can just mount the image and use whatever gui you like
[21:22] <JoeLlama> well I also need to archive the drive so I can retrieve files from the image file
[21:23] <sarnold> yes
[21:23] <sarnold> dd
[21:23] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: you'll be able to mount the image later
[21:23] <sarnold> asasp
[21:23] <sarnold> now
[21:23] <JoeLlama> and I have probably 18 hard drives also that need to be imaged and archived
[21:23] <JoeLlama> oh ok
[21:23] <JoeLlama> so no imaging software out there for linux that has a gui?
[21:24] <sarnold> if dd gets hung up then you can try either ddrescue or dd_rescue, which will eventually move on if it gets errors
[21:24] <oerheks> there is no gui for dd, man dd
[21:24] <JoeLlama> *sigh* I honestly don't wanna do windows... other people are going to be using the software who are not technically oriented
[21:24] <sarnold> JoeLlama: hmm. if feels like asking non-technical people ot try to do data recovery is going to be a bad idea.
[21:24] <JoeLlama> okay I will look at dd :)
[21:25] <JoeLlama> probably sarnold
[21:25] <leftyfb> non-technically oriented people should not be doing data recovery
[21:25] <JoeLlama> I phear that I might have to go win 10 ion this one :( to get the software I need
[21:25] <JoeLlama> probably leftyfb
[21:25] <leftyfb> not probably
[21:26] <JoeLlama> I must comply with the rulez unfortunately
[21:26] <sarnold> can they give you the hard drive so you can make the image?
[21:26] <JoeLlama> other people must have access if I drop dead or something
[21:26] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: if the drives are formatted for linux filesystems, Windows is going to be non-trivial to read them
[21:26] <JoeLlama> hrm ok leftyfb
[21:26] <JoeLlama> I get the feeling there may not be any sofware like this that has a gui
[21:27] <JoeLlama> thanks for the information guys :)
[21:27] <leftyfb> JoeLlama: non-technically oriented people should not be doing data recovery
[21:27] <leftyfb> unless you don't care about the data, then it's ok
[21:27] <JoeLlama> rules are rules leftyfb :/
[21:28] <JoeLlama> I do what I'm told
[21:28] <sarnold> JoeLlama: the ubuntu disk creator was written as a gui thing so people could use a happy application to write ubuntu images to USB memory sticks. It also let people NUKE THEIR DRIVES with almost no effort.
[21:28] <sarnold> JoeLlama: there's a certain amount of "bve sure you know what you're doing" when you're reading and writing disk images
[21:28] <JoeLlama> sure sarnold that makes sense
[21:29] <sarnold> JoeLlama: in this case imaging the drive ought to be easy, and then you can use autopsy or sleuthkit or whatever to work on the drive
[21:29] <oerheks> try not to copy /dev/random
[21:29] <sarnold> http://www.sleuthkit.org/
[21:29] <leftyfb> Data recovery done wrong can lead to instant data loss for both data to be recovered or the machine being Haas to recover the data
[21:30] <JoeLlama> eh, talking with daffykins I will probably just go clonezilla and restore to a VM to browse which makes sense
[21:30] <leftyfb> Haas/used “stupid autocorrect “
[21:30] <sarnold> JoeLlama: skip "restore"
[21:30] <sarnold> JoeLlama: try mounting the image first
[21:30] <sarnold> JoeLlama: (be sure to have a copy of the image!)
[21:30] <JoeLlama> oOo digital forensics I am into forensic science
[21:30] <sarnold> JoeLlama: if mounting it doesn't work, then try more advanced tools like http://www.sleuthkit.org/
[21:31] <sarnold> but don't r4estore and boot the thing. that's just going to scribble over the filesystem.
[21:31] <JoeLlama> ok thanks sarnold :)
[21:32] <JoeLlama> I have enough info for now I think thanks again guys
[21:33] <Katnip> https://launchpad.net/deja-dup
[21:34] <sarnold> that's apparently a nice enough backup tool; but that's different than data recovery
[21:34] <sarnold> that's what you use to avoid the problem in the first place :)
[21:35] <JoeLlama> the drive I'm most concerned about has an intact filesystem.;
[21:35] <JoeLlama> it's just time to toss the drive
[21:35] <JoeLlama> drives shouldn't make loud humming noises and vibrate
[21:36] <sarnold> yeah
[21:36] <JoeLlama> yup yup
[21:36] <sarnold> but on the plus side when you open it up you'll get some neat magnets
[21:36] <JoeLlama> yes!
[21:37] <JoeLlama> dangerous magnets...  if you swallow one you are okay but if you swallow two you might die :(
[21:37] <JoeLlama> keep them away from kids
[21:37] <JoeLlama> time to go
[21:37] <sarnold> yikes I'd not thought of swalling two ..
[21:47] <steven> morning, no idea where to ask but since I use ubuntu on a server I start here: I tried to pvmove a lv and that failed (some internal lvm errors) now I just wanna reformat the disk but gparted tells me it can't do that with the error "internal error lv segments corrupted in pvmove0"
[21:47] <steven> if this is the wrong place to ask, feel free to point me to the right room :)  googling this issues literally yields just one result so I a kinda stuck here
[21:47] <sarnold> steven: does dmesg say anything that would suggest disk errors?
[21:48] <steven> the disk is fine, as in.. the disk is brand new. It looks like the failed pvmove locked the disk and gparted refueses to reset it
[21:49] <sarnold> alright; maybe it's worth trying a less intelligent tool like fdisk or gdisk
[21:50] <sarnold> I'm not sure if fdisk knows how to grok GPT tables
[21:51] <steven> that;s actually a good idea, lets just use low level tools to wipe the disk
[22:03] <ducasse> steven: you can also use dd or shred to clear the disk, or at least partition tables etc
[22:05] <steven> literally doing that as we speak :)
[22:07] <pragmaticenigma> wonder if gparted was trying to "pre-mount" the drive or something... or got confused by some headers marking the drive file system
[23:27] <de-facto> how do i recover gnome shell from a weird state caused by buggy nautilus where it gives me only the little "hand" and does not permit any mouse interactions with the gui?
[23:27] <de-facto> i think nautilus crashed in the middle of a drag and drop
[23:29] <de-facto> can I somehow tell gnome shell that there is not drag and drop going on anymore?
[23:30] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: is the gui otherwise responsive?
[23:30] <de-facto> with alt tab but not with mouse (i can move it but dont interact)
[23:31] <de-facto> its stuck in that drag and drop state i think
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: if it was me... i'd just reboot the computer
[23:31] <de-facto> meeh i have a lot of programs open and unsaved stuff in /tmp
[23:31] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: yeah... that's going to get lost no matter what we do
[23:32] <de-facto> dangit, cant i just reset the gnome shell?
[23:32] <sarnold> log out and log back in?
[23:32] <de-facto> yeah then all open programs get killed
[23:33] <de-facto> its just "gnome shell gimme my mouse back" LOL
[23:33] <sarnold> afaik gnome folks never liked the "magic xinitrc process" thing that let you use something else as the sigil to close x
[23:34] <de-facto> can i do something equivalent to atl f2  running r on a terminal?
[23:34] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: you might be able to kill the nautilus process from one of the TTYs... however, there is no guarantee it's not going to take everything else with it
[23:34] <de-facto> i already did nautilus -q
[23:35] <pragmaticenigma> kill the process... I don't know what that command does, or if it will even work if nautilus is hung up
[23:36] <de-facto> nautilus is dead, its gnome shell itself hung in that drag and drop state caused by buggy nautilus crashing i guess
[23:36] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... if that's the case.. you have to reboot or restart gdm... either way... there goes all your applications with it
[23:36] <de-facto> i know normally i could press ALT+F2 then enter "r" and press ENTER to reload gnome shell
[23:37] <de-facto> yet ALT+F2 does not bring up that prompt
[23:37] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: There is no way around this... gnome-shell is hung up... restarting the gdm service or rebooting the machine are the options
[23:38] <de-facto> gnome-shell --replace does not solve the mouse stuck problem
[23:38] <de-facto> meeh dangit so its reboot OK LOL
[23:38] <sarnold> de-facto: hmm. I wonder if you yank the mouse and plug it back in?
[23:39] <de-facto> good idea yet it ends up in same "drag and drop" hand state
[23:39] <sarnold> bummer
[23:39] <de-facto> lol i consider this a design flaw
[23:40] <de-facto> what the heck i reboot :/
[23:40] <de-facto> thanks
[23:42] <sarnold> yeah, it's far too useful to be able to restart your window manager when it goes off the rails
[23:42] <sarnold> granted I've only had to do that a dozen times in twenty-five years but it's handy
[23:42] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: I don't recommend moving larges files around with click and drag. Personally, if I have to use the GUI ... Ctrl + C the file, Ctrl + V to put it in the folder I want
[23:43] <daniel-molina> Testing...
[23:43] <pragmaticenigma> or I use the command line
[23:43] <de-facto> back
[23:43] <de-facto> it was tiny text files, i was messing around with some debian packaging in /tmp/build
[23:43] <de-facto> can i somehow forbid nautilus to change mouse cursors and states?
[23:44] <sarnold> probably not
[23:45] <pragmaticenigma> de-facto: sure, if you want to rebuild gnome-shell from the ground up... you can easily find the source on their project page
[23:45] <de-facto> normally its quite stable, but when its stuck it does not hesitate to get stuck properly
[23:47] <de-facto> i think it was gnome shell changing the mouse to the drag and drop "hand" then nautilus crashed away, so it never switched back to normal mouse state
[23:48] <de-facto> but i could save everything from tty, so no data loss, still meh