[00:39] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: Hey there... question from earlier (and maybe it was already asked) ... is your write up on FDE in the community pages ready for prime time, or are there still somethings to polish?
[00:40] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: I've had a couple of errors reported I've fixed so in theory it is now correct
[00:40] <pragmaticenigma> cool... lotus was wondering, they'd like to update the !encrypt trigger to point there
[00:41] <TJ-> Drop the warning for the page then? so as not to scare people?
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> maybe? that's why i asked for caution before sending the masses ther
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> *there
[00:42] <TJ-> Doing it now
[00:42] <pragmaticenigma> been a lot of questions in #u for FDE, didn't want to complicate that further if something wasn't ready :-)
[00:46] <TJ-> "waiting for help.ubuntu.com" ... for 5 minutes now
[00:48]  * pragmaticenigma plays elevator music
[00:52] <TJ-> All done, also added it to the Installation category
[00:52] <pragmaticenigma> cool, I'll pass the good news along
[00:56] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 yay
[00:57] <sarnold> lol love the 2019 in the title
[00:57] <oerheks> should be 2018...
[00:58] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: I'm still running MX Linux on these laptops that had the screen corruption when attempting power save... after a couple months now, they're still running solid with no sign of that issue. Could it somehow be caused by systemd?
[01:01] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: almost anything *could* be caused by the init system.. but I'd suspect more likely some difference in kernel config/drivers or tooling config that controls power saving
[01:02] <pragmaticenigma> wonder what that could be... though with Ubuntu not spinning anymore i386 releases, this looks to be my path forward for keeping these running
[01:02] <sarnold> 20.04?
[01:04] <pragmaticenigma> sarnold: correct... there haven't been anymore i386 releases since 18.04
[01:04] <sarnold> oh god. I've been thinking about 20.04 for so long that it feels like "the most recent lts"
[01:07] <pragmaticenigma> I only keep these old i386 machines around for break out boxes mostly... the ones I was talking to TJ about can just barely browse the modern web with Firefox
[01:07] <TJ-> they'd browse my modern web perfectly fine :D
[01:08] <sarnold> edbrowse works great? :)
[01:10] <TJ-> simply banning my devs from using Javascript, and no 3rd party assets, works wonders for the perceived performance of our sites
[01:11] <sarnold> s/perceived//  :)
[01:11] <TJ-> well, there's still line latency
[01:11] <sarnold> who needs a million cdns when your page can be served in two requests and 10kb? :)
[01:11] <sarnold> lookin at you lenovo..
[01:11] <pragmaticenigma> My pi-hole probably makes a lot of it usable too... blocking the three million trackers and scripts that sites use
[01:12] <TJ-> but loading 64KB over 256kbps line is still faster than 15MB over 10Mbps :)
[01:13] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: Is your connection that constricted?
[01:13] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: as MX uses the Debian 10 kernels, it'd be an interesting test to see if Ubuntu is stable using the Debian kernels
[01:13] <sarnold> one friend found that another friend's website was using 512kb of JS to turn unix seconds since epoch into "N seconds ago" or "N minutes ago" etc. it was just a handy JS thing he'd found that did the trick..
[01:14] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: no, but for mobile users with high contention and latency our sites still zip along compared to most others
[01:15] <TJ-> sarnold: so common ... the baine of 'dev-ops' frontend devs that have no concept of actual technology
[01:15] <sarnold> TJ-: in this case, he's quite good at technology, he just wanted to solve the problem he found interesting more ;)
[01:15] <sarnold> he was suitably apalled when he found out what he had done
[01:16] <TJ-> I recently took my IT apprentice on a 3-day History & Evolution of Computing trip to London, science museum, and Bletchley Park National Museum of Computing where they've got working reconstructions othe WW2 enigma code-breaking earliest analogue and digital computers.
[01:16] <sarnold> awesome
[01:17] <TJ-> He was amazed ... I had him write up a report and in it he described the still working, room-sized, WITCH decathon built in 1950 and still running... as this "erection computer" because it turned him on so much :D
[01:18] <sarnold> hahahaha
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[01:18] <TJ-> Point being, he went from just taking his iPhone for granted to realising what a truly amazing piece of technology modern computers are, and an appreciation of what is inside them
[01:18] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: I'm not sure where the bug exists... I never really got it nailed down from what you had suggested I try
[01:19] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: never mind... as long as it works now :)
[01:19] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-: I don't know if swapping kernels from other distros would work or not... way above my skill level
[01:19] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: it'd indicate if kernel config/modules were to blame. Could be caused by ubuntu SAUCE patches for example, which wouldn't be in Debian kernels (or mainline builds)
[01:20] <pragmaticenigma> ah, that could make sense
[01:20] <TJ-> I seem to recall you did test some Ubuntu mainline builds... but then they use the Ubuntu kernel config, which may well be different to Debian
[01:21] <pragmaticenigma> HWE ?
[01:22] <TJ-> I finally discovered what causes unexplained lock-ups on my Intel based systems ... turns out to be a long running and worsening set of i915 driver bugs
[01:22] <pragmaticenigma> like complete system freeze?
[01:23] <TJ-> HWE probably would carry the same issues since they're just kernels from later Ubuntu releases; Ubuntu mainline builds do not contain any Canonical/Ubuntu SAUCE patches but they still use the same kernel config options (/boot/config-$VERSION)
[01:23] <TJ-> Intel:  https://linuxreviews.org/Linux_Kernel_5.5_Will_Not_Fix_The_Frequent_Intel_GPU_Hangs_In_Recent_Kernels
[01:23] <pragmaticenigma> I don't remember setting these units up to mainline anything
[01:23] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: maybe I misremembered then... long time ago
[01:23] <TJ-> pragmaticenigma: but it's usually the firs thing I suggest
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... All I did was use mini.iso to install with
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> I might have been overwhelmed or not comfortable with the idea... don't recall either
[01:24] <pragmaticenigma> I suppose I could always try adding Ubuntu repos into here and see what fireworks spark
[01:24] <TJ-> erk no!
[01:25] <TJ-> recipe for disaster :)
[01:25] <TJ-> it works - be happy
[01:25] <pragmaticenigma> it's how one learns... which is what these machines are used for
[01:25] <pragmaticenigma> "break" out boxes :-P
[01:25] <TJ-> well OK... if you've got hours/days to spare
[01:25] <TJ-> !mainline
[01:25] <ubot5> The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> these are such old machines... mostly a novelty now... the screen hinges barely hold the screen steady anymore as I type this on a table
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> yes... quite happy
[01:26] <pragmaticenigma> was thinking this winter of throwing BOINC on one of them and leaving it in the garage as a space heater
[01:27] <pragmaticenigma> $5 a month added to the electric bill doesn't seem like too much?
[01:27] <TJ-> I reconditioned some 2007 vintage core-2 duo Asus laptops for the charity. More RAM, SSDs, dual-band wifi mini-pcie cards. Replaced a hinge on one. Now we're 5 identical very usable Xubuntu based lappies for client use
[01:29] <pragmaticenigma> neat... the hinges on these are integrated into the chassis... not sure I can replace the compression mechanism
[01:30] <pragmaticenigma> I'd really like to just disable the screens, leave the lid down and figure out how to re-wire the power switch to externally accessable
[01:30] <TJ-> same here... had to disassemble to replace.
[01:31] <TJ-> do they have RJ45 ethernet ports?
[01:31] <TJ-> if so, configure them to use Wake-on-LAN so you can remotely power them up with a magic packet
[01:32] <pragmaticenigma> the wake on lan might be an option... but these have no battery... loss of power disables WOL until machines is manually booted and shutdown
[01:32] <TJ-> really? that should be a BIOS config option, usually enabled by default
[01:35] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... it stays enabled in bios... but for some reason it needs a successful boot to stay active
[02:02] <TJ-> power save tooling may disable it during runtime
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[07:42] <ducasse> good morning
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> good noon to all
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[16:50] <lotuspsychje> Fuseteam: they say cubic is a cool program to tweak ubuntu iso's your own way
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> just keep in mind, its not a support package on the official ubuntu repos
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> so external ppa's can be involved, use at your own risk
[16:52] <Fuseteam> ohw cool
[16:53] <Fuseteam> i'm actually playing with dwm and looking for a way to get the unity global menu and hud working with it
[16:54] <Fuseteam> but i also noticed a lot is not working and/or accessible mainly because its an window manager
[16:55] <Fuseteam> i'll look into cubic
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> planning to maintain your Own Os?
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> or just testing around a bit
[16:56] <Fuseteam> testing around a bit
[16:57] <Fuseteam> i have no idea what it would mean to maintain my own os, so i have no idea if that's even feasible for me
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> Fuseteam: once you create your own ubuntu distro, you will need to maintain things yourself too
[16:59] <Fuseteam> i suppose so, for now i have ubuntu18.04 server installed and installed both unity and dwm
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> Fuseteam: it all depends what your endgoal is, with all this
[17:01] <Fuseteam> i guess for now its more getting hud working under dwm, as i miss that
[17:01] <lotuspsychje> the #dwm channel looks rather empty
[17:02] <Fuseteam> i mean i intended to unity, but then dwm piqued my interest
[17:03] <Fuseteam> now i spend more time in there but i still miss unity
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> unity is still installable from the repos
[17:03] <Fuseteam> i have it installed yep
[17:04] <Fuseteam> guess my end goal is to "fuse" them somehow as in getting the functionalities i like of unity to work in dwm
[17:05] <Fuseteam> i think dwm's channel is #suckless
[17:43] <ducasse> Fuseteam: have you looked at rofi? i use it with i3 as a 'hud' to run apps. it's easily extensible through scripts
[18:28] <Fuseteam> the hud and dmenu/rofi are not the same thing ducasse
[18:29] <Fuseteam> unity hud was a way to access menu items the same way rofi/dmenu works
[18:30] <Fuseteam> i could use the hud to say open my browser history or my terminal preferrences
[18:30] <Fuseteam> it remains to this day one of my favorite features
[18:31] <ducasse> theoretically, you can script rofi to do the same thins
[18:32] <Fuseteam> i know, i'm looking for a way to extent dmenu/rofi with unity hud
[18:33] <Fuseteam> the hud is especially usefull with gimp
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