[00:00] <oerheks> ll07G, no, if you claim it worked, stick with 16.04?
[00:01] <leftyfb> ll07G: if you're going to reinstall something, why not reinstall 18.04?
[00:02] <ll07G> leftyfb: what could be the benefit this is a fresh installation?
[00:02] <leftyfb> ll07G: huh?
[00:02] <ll07G> I have to say I choose minimum installation
[00:02] <oerheks> leftyfb, choppy video with Radeon HD 3450 ..
[00:03] <leftyfb> oh, so it's video driver issues, and with ATI no less. Good luck with that
[00:03] <leftyfb> ll07G: how did you install vlc on the 18.04 installation?
[00:04] <ll07G> apt install vlc
[00:04] <oerheks> gnome-mpv might be more lightweight, but it cannot undo the low specs
[00:04] <leftyfb> ll07G: maybe try removing it and trying the snap package instead?
[00:05] <drecondius> the card may be stuck in low power, it's not fully fixed according to mesa database for the rv600 series
[00:05] <leftyfb> !who | drecondius
[00:06] <leftyfb> ll07G: also, gnome shell on 18.04 is probably a bit more GPU intensive than the Unity that was on 17.10
[00:07] <ll07G> leftyfb: i will try
[00:07] <GuestAgain> hello all
[00:08] <leftyfb> GuestAgain: hello. What can we help you with?
[00:09] <drecondius> sorry, @ll07G the card may be stuck in low power, Mesa database shows powerxpress isn't fully functional for R600/700 cards and above, which makes sense for my rx580 as well.
[00:10] <leftyfb> drecondius: that doesn't explain it working on the same machine with Ubuntu 17.10
[00:10] <ll07G> no changes
[00:11] <GuestAgain> oooh dear probably not a lot, unless anyone has a quick fix for input problems on bionic beaver lol
[00:12] <GuestAgain> silly old sony hardware keeps giving me a hard time
[00:12] <pragmaticenigma> GuestAgain: It's better to be up front and ask your questions without any extra banter. Please get to the point
[00:12] <ll07G> leftyfb: I snaped it now but nothing changed
[00:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so I am getting a "no space left on device"
[00:13] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: when doing what? How much space do you have?
[00:13] <GuestAgain> i was going to idle and observe, but thank you for your directness pragmaticenigma
[00:13] <ToAruShiroiNeko> https://pastebin.com/dL8ik7mg
[00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sorry was generating pastebin
[00:14] <Ben64> definitely out of space
[00:14] <Ben64> remove stuff or increase size
[00:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> My question is the directories that are full, how agressive should I be in deleting stuff?
[00:15] <Ben64> don't delete anything outside of /home
[00:15] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: step #1, find out what is using space.
[00:15] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: I'd recommend starting with your home directory and /var/logs
[00:15] <GuestAgain> i do have an issue with a sony laptop, every time it goes to the lock screen the keyboard doesn't function unless i plug in a usb keyboard. has anyone else had this issue?
[00:15] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: you only have a 4G partition for everything. That's not going to cut it for most things
[00:16] <GuestAgain> all in all i was hoping to be helpful in exchange
[00:17] <pragmaticenigma> GuestAgain: Please, if you would like to chat, head on over to #ubuntu-offtopic ... If you are not actively seeking or offering help, this isn't the place for idle chat
[00:17] <oerheks> lock screen .. i think it can be opened by mouse/touchpad only, or 'esc'?
[00:17] <oerheks> .. maybe space too?
[00:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not understand why it is so small
[00:18] <ll07G> ok, no more ideas?
[00:18] <GuestAgain> pragmaticenigma good to know thank you for that, yes i will take any advice offered on my input device issue if anyone has ideas on what could be misconfigured
[00:18] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: if you have a larger hard drive, then boot with a live cd/usb and use gparted to resize your root partition to take the rest of the space
[00:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is a virtual machine
[00:20] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the drive should have up to 127gb of space
[00:20] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: ok, then you'll need to increase the size of your virtual machine storage device first
[00:20] <ll07G> I will left for today, thanks for your time and efforts
[00:21] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just need to resize /dev/mapper/ailerontech--tr--vg-root I think
[00:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> bleh bad paste
[00:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv
[00:24] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: you'll also need to resize the filesystem. Not to be done while you have the filesystem mounted
[00:24] <stefandxm> i really hate this nickserv crap
[00:25] <stefandxm> cant we just remove it
[00:25] <stefandxm> or has it been?
[00:25] <ToAruShiroiNeko> you want to remove a server service?
[00:25] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | stefandxm
[00:25] <stefandxm> yeah?
[00:26] <stefandxm> ToAruShiroiNeko, yes?
[00:26] <stefandxm> ToAruShiroiNeko, and no?
[00:26] <stefandxm> ToAruShiroiNeko, its a new server service
[00:27] <stefandxm> ToAruShiroiNeko, and i dont see what good it does
[00:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it prevents people from stealing your nick
[00:27] <stefandxm> so what
[00:27] <stefandxm> it prevents people joining
[00:27] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah
[00:28] <pragmaticenigma> stefandxm: and ToAruShiroiNeko This is not the channel to have this discussion. please feel free to take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> so you have to take the trouble of registering your nick
[00:28] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I can explain there
[00:28] <stefandxm> pragmaticenigma, youre proving my point :)
[00:28] <Fuseteam> that reminds me is it possible to get fingerprinter scanner to work with unity?
[00:28] <stefandxm> pragmaticenigma, we are losing touch to our core
[00:29] <ToAruShiroiNeko> do not touch the core
[00:29] <pragmaticenigma> !ops | stefandxm is off topic
[00:29] <stefandxm> but considering no special knowledge is available here... fine
[00:29] <stefandxm> this channel is more of a gimmick
[00:29] <Fuseteam> oof that looks alarming
[00:30] <stefandxm> i dunno
[00:30] <stefandxm> i dont think the nick matters
[00:30] <leftyfb> stefandxm: stop. Take it elsewhere. This is a support channel.
[00:30] <stefandxm> ok
[00:31] <stefandxm> is there any ubuntu channel that is not support but more arch/dev?
[00:31] <stefandxm> my question is simple
[00:31] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | stefandxm
[00:31] <stefandxm> i want a usb dagram of drivers
[00:31] <stefandxm> ive asked before :)
[00:32] <Fuseteam> weren't you redirected to #ubuntu-offtopic already?
[00:32] <stefandxm> for trying to debug usb drivers in ubuntu?
[00:32] <Fuseteam> yes
[00:33] <stefandxm> mkai
[00:34] <Fuseteam> hmm now i'm not sure if i should repeat my question
[00:35] <stefandxm> its ok, youll just make a fool of yourself
[00:35] <Fuseteam> i've gotten help in here for my support questions before, thank you very much
[00:36] <stefandxm> i havent
[00:37] <Fuseteam> because you keep going offtopic :p
[00:37] <stefandxm> like how ubuntu works?
[00:37] <leftyfb> stefandxm: try #ubuntu-devel
[00:37] <leftyfb> stefandxm: good luck
[00:38] <GuestAgain> anyway i rtfm etc going to try a reboot on my input issue, expect me back i suppose...
[00:38] <Fuseteam> yes that's offtopic stefan everything you say that's not related to an issue is just obscuring the question from view
[00:38] <oerheks> i am not sure what a dagram is, a list with all usb drivers? http://www.linux-usb.org/devices.html
[00:38] <stefandxm> leftyfb, thank you :)
[00:39] <stefandxm> Fuseteam, stfup
[00:39] <stefandxm> Fuseteam, you have no idea what you are talking about
[00:40] <leftyfb> stefandxm: please stop. Good luck finding what you're looking for.
[00:40] <stefandxm> leftyfb, youre shooting the messenger here and you know it
[00:41] <stefandxm> leftyfb, this guys is not friendly.
[00:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> leftyfb so https://imagebin.ca/v/5EAkFGLYvTuX
[00:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> before I did anything I see that there is 122gb of unused space
[00:46] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: you do not have your filesystem on the LVM volume
[00:47] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not follow
[00:49] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: I think you have to mount your LVM volume and run gparted on that
[00:49] <drecondius> leftyfb it turns out i followed those instructions to the letter before you linked me the page and I still cannot login to an xsession past lightdm nor can I start X from cli,..
[00:50] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: once you have your volume mounted, you might be able to run sudo gparted /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg
[00:51] <leftyfb> drecondius: apt-cache policy e21 @ what does this say? Please use pastebin
[00:51] <leftyfb> sorry, leave out the "@" and everything after
[00:52] <drecondius> how do i paste from cli?
[00:52] <drecondius> it's a separate machine that I'm physically working with.
[00:53] <drecondius> it can't find the package because the ppa it's not labeled e21
[00:53] <leftyfb> drecondius: what is it labeled?
[00:55] <drecondius> @leftyfb enlightenment
[00:55] <leftyfb> drecondius: there is no package called "enlightenment" in ubuntu
[00:56] <drecondius> did you read the page you linked me.
[00:56] <leftyfb> drecondius: yes, you need to install the package called "e17"
[00:56] <leftyfb> drecondius: after removing everything from your enlightenment PPA
[01:01] <drecondius> with nothing from either enlightenment and nothing more than the entirety of the Xorg system, it will not launch a gui past lightdm hence the entire series of questions regarding how to start X
[01:03] <leftyfb> drecondius: sudo apt install ppa-purge -y && sudo ppa-purge ppa:niko2040/e21 && sudo apt install e17 # then at the login screen, click the little ubuntu circle and pick Enlightenment as your DE.
[01:06] <leftyfb> drecondius: we will help you with installing e17. We will not help you with any process that involves anything install from a PPA. That includes whatever state your system is not from trying to install packages from the PPA and refusing purge the packages from and remove it. Sorry
[01:07] <leftyfb> drecondius: feel free to join #e for further help with your issues with enlightenment 21
[01:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> leftyfb so I finally got gparted back
[01:10] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I do not see any obvious means to mount the volume
[01:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I mean sda3 is already mounted
[01:11] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: why did you create an LVM if you don't know how to manage volumes?
[01:11] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I just skiped the wiazard
[01:12] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: it sounds like that wasn't a good idea since you don't know how to manage without it
[01:12] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is the default options of ubuntu install
[01:14] <ToAruShiroiNeko> sudo gparted /dev/mapper/ubuntu-vg gives no sush file or directory error
[01:15] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: setting up an LVM is not the default
[01:15] <ToAruShiroiNeko> is there an easy way to migrate from LVM to whatever format you reccomend?
[01:15] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: I would recommend reinstalling
[01:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah, I cant do that
[01:16] <stefandxm> leftyfb, is that devel semi supported?
[01:16] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: why is that?
[01:16] <leftyfb> stefandxm: That doesn't make any sense. Go ask your questions in that channel
[01:16] <ToAruShiroiNeko> the notion or recommendation of "delete all settings and files" is not a good one.
[01:17] <stefandxm> leftyfb, it does make sense. is any ubuntu coders there?
[01:17] <stefandxm> or shall i refer to emails
[01:17] <ToAruShiroiNeko> it is frustrating enough that thins thing broke down on its own
[01:18] <stefandxm> maybe he/she/it is a bot =)
[01:19] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: running out of disk space is not "broke down on its own". That was a mistake on your part. I could recommend the tools to resize the LVM volume, but I do not think that is the best solution for you at this point.
[01:19] <oerheks> most devs are on the mailinglist, not irc
[01:19] <ToAruShiroiNeko> IT IS
[01:20] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-lvm-to-manage-storage-devices-on-ubuntu-18-04  there ya go. Good luck
[01:21] <thinkcru> hellpo
[01:21] <thinkcru> hello
[01:21] <thinkcru> can someone help me with some forensics
[01:21] <leftyfb> !ot | thinkcru
[01:21] <thinkcru> I just discovered someone created a "test" user and launched a "cron" binary from the home directory
[01:22] <thinkcru> my machine has been compromised
[01:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> lvm makes sense actually
[01:22] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I would want the virtual drive to limit which part of the drive is used and expand as needed
[01:22] <thinkcru> how can i tell how they got in, what log file can I look at
[01:22] <thinkcru> i deleted the user and the home directory
[01:22] <thinkcru> but when
[01:22] <leftyfb> thinkcru: power off that machine immediately. Make an out of band backup/image of said machine for later forensics and reinstall from scratch. That is the best and only advice you are going to get here.
[01:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> a single byte can use 126GB otherwise
[01:23] <thinkcru> I run "last -15" i do not see any test user logins
[01:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> all it needs to be is to be dumped at the last sector
[01:23] <stefandxm> is there any official ubuntu channel? on irc?
[01:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> stefandxm you are there.
[01:23] <ToAruShiroiNeko> Single # means official on this server
[01:23] <thinkcru> leftyfb ughhh.... i don't want to do that but i know that is the first thing to do
[01:23] <leftyfb> stefandxm: this is the official SUPPORT channel. Go to #ubuntu-offtopic for anything else.
[01:24] <leftyfb> thinkcru: good luck
[01:24] <stefandxm> ToAruShiroiNeko, this is clearly not it. there is noone here from the ubuntu team
[01:24] <stefandxm> leftyfb, so its off topic to require help about ubuntu?
[01:24] <oerheks> stefandxm, best chance in #ubuntu-devel is during officehours, uk, but most devs are on the mailinglist, not irc
[01:24] <stefandxm> oerheks, thank you :)
[01:25] <leftyfb> stefandxm: as you have been told, #ubuntu-devel and the mailing list is your best solution. Good luck
[01:25] <drecondius> this is starting to feel like /r/Arch
[01:25] <stefandxm> ill try the mailing list
[01:25] <drecondius> */r/Archlinux
[01:25] <stefandxm> drecondius, ?
[01:25] <stefandxm> dunno about arch tbh. never ran it personally
[01:26] <leftyfb> !ot | stefandxm
[01:26] <leftyfb> !ot | drecondius
[01:26] <stefandxm> how is not a usb driver diagram/overview not support?
[01:26] <thinkcru> anyways what log files can i look at to see how they got in?
[01:26] <leftyfb> stefandxm: as you have been told, #ubuntu-devel and the mailing list is your best solution. Good luck
[01:26] <leftyfb> thinkcru: power off that machine immediately. Make an out of band backup/image of said machine for later forensics and reinstall from scratch. That is the best and only advice you are going to get here.
[01:28] <leftyfb> thinkcru: there are no adequate forensics to be run on a compromised system while it's running. Turn it off now
[01:28] <oerheks> stefandxm, there is no list with all usb drivers , as there are sections though  http://www.linux-usb.org/devices.html
[01:28] <leftyfb> thinkcru: your best help would be #ubuntu-hardened once you have a backup/image of the machine
[01:35] <drecondius> Ok, spotless system, nothing other than open ssh installed, sudo apt install e17 -y sudo reboot, waiting on system to come back up now
[01:36] <drecondius> there is still no wm, no dm, no x
[01:38] <oerheks> systemctl status lightdm.services
[01:39] <oerheks> sudo systemctl enable lightdm.services  # to start from boot, and make sure you are in grphical.target >  systemctl set-default graphical.target
[01:41] <drecondius> wouldn't you know it, it wasn't installed either ...
[01:42] <drecondius> if i seem bitter, I am, I just went through this same explanation now for over an hour
[01:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> extended the full drive so that it is just 70% full now which equates no space left
[01:42] <ToAruShiroiNeko> FML
[01:42] <oerheks> well, it is an 93 weeks old PPA
[01:43] <drecondius> be that as it may, NEITHER the repo NOR the ppa would install lightdm or X
[01:44] <drecondius> after installing LIghtdm, i get a failed to login to session with no other message
[01:47] <drecondius> i've even went so far as to install the entirety of Xorg followed by lightdm, followed by both sets of enlightenment packages, and i kept getting the same bs cookie cutter response that "these are the instructions we don't help with using a ppa" when i clearly stated multiple times Neither would work I need to know how to start
[01:47] <drecondius> X
[01:47] <drecondius> so that I could run synaptic and fix this because I can't stand aptitude
[01:48] <leftyfb> drecondius: so this is a fresh install with no attempts at adding any PPA's?
[01:53] <drecondius> Yes, I have now reformatted this ssd twice before coming in here and once more about 10 minutes ago
[01:58] <drecondius> and STILL even after purging the entirety, it failed to start session
[01:58] <leftyfb> purging what?
[01:59] <drecondius> purging e17, lightdm, and xorg
[01:59] <drecondius> then starting fresh again, nothing
[02:01] <thinkcru> is there a log file that will show when a user was created?
[02:01] <leftyfb> thinkcru: turn that machine off, NOW
[02:01] <thinkcru> ha
[02:02] <thinkcru> I know but I cannot right now
[02:02] <leftyfb> thinkcru: you do not have a choice
[02:02] <thinkcru> i looked in the auth.log
[02:03] <thinkcru> the user logged in this morning
[02:03] <thinkcru> i just cannot remember if I created the dummy test user account
[02:03] <thinkcru> i think i may have and put a dumb password
[02:05] <mike18> hi, does ubuntu have a max number of threads allowed?
[02:05] <mike18> and how to check the current number of threads for a pid?
[02:05] <mike18> in my case docker
[02:05] <mike18> container
[02:06] <leftyfb> !docker | mike18
[02:06] <leftyfb> mike18: please ask for support in #docker
[02:06] <mike18> i have a question to os threads in ubuntu
[02:06] <mike18> does ubuntu have a max number of threads allowed?
[02:07] <pragmaticenigma> mike18: This channel only supports Official Ubuntu flavors and the packages released through the official ubuntu software repositories. Docker containers are supported by their creators, as they are highly customized to run in the docker environment
[02:07] <mike18> but what has the to do with my max number of threads question in ubuntu?
[02:08] <pragmaticenigma> mike18: read the last part of my last statement
[02:08] <mike18> pragmaticenigma i asked my question without docker
[02:09] <pragmaticenigma> mike18: What applies to Ubuntu as a Desktop or Server installation, doesn't not carry into an instance that is hosted as a docker container
[02:09] <mike18> what has the to do with my max number of threads question in ubuntu - no docker?
[02:09] <mike18> does ubuntu have a max number of threads allowed - no docker?
[02:09] <mike18> for a pid
[02:09] <drecondius> hey i just went though this same bs asking about how to get x to start since i couldn't log in with lightdm and the assumption was it wasn't on a clean system.
[02:10] <lordcirth_> mike18, running 'ulimit -u' will tell you the number of threads or processes your current context allows.
[02:10] <pragmaticenigma> mike18: see https://stackoverflow.com/a/344292
[02:11] <mike18> limit -u ... 514796
[02:11] <mike18> u
[02:11] <imachine> hi!
[02:11] <imachine> so, I've been trying to find a browser that won't creep up disk usage.
[02:11] <imachine> I've tried chrome, and that worked - for a while.
[02:11] <imachine> I have 4GB ram. double that of a phone.
[02:12] <imachine> and chrome works no problems with like 100+ tabs open, on a phone
[02:12] <imachine> where it's basically rendering the machine useless, on a 4GB notebook
[02:12] <imachine> as soon as I get like 10 tabs open
[02:12] <pragmaticenigma> !enter | imachine
[02:12] <imachine> it just goes icrazy with disk usage. I have swap turned off. any ideas how I can fix this?
[02:13] <oerheks> just do not open 100 tabs.
[02:13] <imachine> incidentally, it happens both on chromium and firefox alike.
[02:13] <leftyfb> imachine: what are the specs of your machine?
[02:14] <imachine> oerheks, I only opened like 10. I'm looking at property ads. trying to choose a house. I mean... come on! it's like, 10 webpages. clearly, there should be some memory management at hand? I only see one tab at a time. the other ones don't need to remain loaded into memory, if that's the constraint...
[02:14] <imachine> leftyfb, some core2duo T7200 + 4GB ram, Thinkpad T61.
[02:14] <imachine> leftyfb, more than enough to display some html!
[02:14] <leftyfb> imachine: you're not just displaying some html
[02:15] <imachine> leftyfb, and more that my android phones have, and are not showing the issue.
[02:15] <oerheks> preloading, urlchecking, lots of things happen in firefox and chrome
[02:15] <imachine> I don't need all that. how can I turn off all the unecessary things?
[02:15] <leftyfb> imachine: you cannot compare mobile platforms and pc's
[02:15] <imachine> leftyfb, why not? it's linux, here and there.
[02:16] <leftyfb> imachine: different architectures and different software, completely different software
[02:16] <imachine> leftyfb, the mobile platform is underpowered compared to this linux laptop. and still performs flawlessly - while doing that, and more! all the background syncing of apps, android internals, google spying etc. none of that is happening on ubuntu.
[02:17] <imachine> leftyfb, so, having disk usage spike up to 100% killing off the SSD I have installed here, is way out of line I think, given I only have opened like, 10 tabs, and it grinds...
[02:17] <imachine> maybe you can recommend me a better, simpler browser?
[02:19] <imachine> I've turned off swap completely, and it still spikes the disk usage. does firefox/chromium use some internal additional caching/swapping, if there is no system swap available? maybe I can turn that off! I rather see an error message "out of memory" than the system grinding down... I know this is ubuntu channel, but maybe you guys know... it's also *a little* related.
[02:20] <leftyfb> imachine: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:20] <imachine> the latest
[02:20] <imachine> 18.04.04 lTS
[02:20] <oerheks> seriously, turned off swap completely, ..
[02:20] <imachine> 18.04.4 LTS
[02:20] <robertparkerx> I'm going to build a new nas and it be ubuntu 18.04 server with samba. I guess I'll need a dvdrom to install ubuntu but after that I can disconnect it right?
[02:21] <imachine> oerheks, yep, unmounted and hashed out in fstab
[02:21] <leftyfb> robertparkerx: you can use usb or PXE
[02:21] <pragmaticenigma> robertparkerx: yes, you can remove any hardware you don't need after installation is completed
[02:21] <robertparkerx> ah usb sorry
[02:21] <robertparkerx> Thanks for that
[02:22] <imachine> oerheks, I suspect the disk usage is caused by some internal caching/saving/something that is unecessary... I think there was some issue a while ago similar, where it was.. ah.. some "disability" settings or similar... that caused it to grind to a halt..
[02:22] <robertparkerx> I won't need a monitor after installation either will I ?
[02:22] <robertparkerx> Will it boot like vm I buy online?
[02:22] <imachine> let's see if that's the case, maybe? it's hard to track it as as soon as it happens, the system becomes unresponsive, so it's hard to even check then, what state it actually is in. other than unresponsive :)
[02:23] <oerheks> browsers use ~/.cache/ too, but this approach works against you, i guess
[02:23] <drecondius> can u hotkey into a tty when it happens?
[02:24] <drecondius> imachine can you hotkey into a tty when it starts to become unresponsive?
[02:27] <imachine> nope!
[02:27] <imachine> the SSD maxes out the interface
[02:27] <imachine> and the cpu is almost permablocked. the mouse cursor jitters.
[02:28] <imachine> oerheks, I could put ~/.cache into a memdisk... if that would bring benefit...
[02:28] <imachine> but that's not the solution to a program causing unnecessary action in first place!
[02:28] <imachine> not a good solution I think
[02:29] <imachine> I rather limit the program first, not fixing the issue it causes
[02:30] <drecondius> @imachine if it doesn't sieze, you could try to ssh into it from another machine if you have one and run top or if you have it installed htop to begin a decent diagnosis.
[02:33] <imachine> yeah I could do that... or just buy a machine that's decent and not care. hardly an option now. are paid browsers even a thing?
[02:34] <imachine> let's see. disabled some caches etc.
[02:35] <imachine> alright, 25 tabs. "full" swing.
[02:36] <imachine> I think it's "fixed"... would prefer to know what caused it.. but maybe that'll do for now.
[02:37] <imachine> in the end, I *think* it could be adblock plus doing some unnecessary writing to the disk... caching or what not.
[02:37] <imachine> so not may be even firefox!
[02:38] <imachine> I;ve also disabled my disk caching in firefox, completely, or as completely as I have seen the options here quick
[02:38] <imachine> that seems to have improved it, meaningfuly.
[02:38] <imachine> good; I want data displayed on screen, not stored for later.
[02:39] <imachine> wow that's so quick now. proper. ok. thanks for your attention, insight, and help. have a great day everyone! bye!
[02:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> leftyfb so https://askubuntu.com/questions/1106795/ubuntu-server-18-04-lvm-out-of-space-with-improper-default-partitioning
[02:43] <ToAruShiroiNeko> this was the solution
[02:44] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: as was the link I gave you with no only the same instructions but more insight into how to properly use LVM
[02:44] <leftyfb> no/not
[02:44] <ToAruShiroiNeko> right
[02:44] <leftyfb> you're welcome
[02:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> ty
[02:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I would not have searched for this URL without your link
[02:45] <ToAruShiroiNeko> but this is a more concise solution since it literally lists the few lines to run
[02:45] <leftyfb> you didn't need that URL. The link I provided had the same solution with more information
[02:46] <ToAruShiroiNeko> yeah I was a bit confused by all the details, rather didnt want to attempt anything
[02:47] <leftyfb> ToAruShiroiNeko: you should learn the details
[02:48] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I intend to study the docs in great detail, first I want to make things work again
[03:00] <theborger> is there anyone in here that could help me with netplan?
[03:01] <theborger> i keep getting the error /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml:7:20: Error in network definition: bond0: interface 'enp0s25' is not defined   interfaces: [enp0s25, enp2s0] witha ^ pointing at the first 2
[03:01] <theborger> not 2 first E
[03:01] <robertparkerx> how do you access samba over the local network?
[03:09] <Seven_Six_Two> robertparkerx, there are client packages available in the repositories, and you can also use the cifs-utils package to mount a share on a local filesystem. Unfortunately I haven't done it for a long time, and don't have access to a windows machine.
[03:10] <Seven_Six_Two> file browsers like nemo also have an option in a side panel to browse a network, and I'd expect visible samba shares to be visible there.
[03:11] <robertparkerx> I thought explorer had that by default?
[03:12] <robertparkerx> Would it be visible there? Network Shares?
[03:12] <Seven_Six_Two> you'll need libsmbclient for integrations like that. Yes, if you have the library required.
[03:12] <Seven_Six_Two> well, that's the expectation at least.
[03:13] <robertparkerx> libsmbclient on ubuntu 18.04 end?
[03:14] <swift110> hey
[03:15] <Seven_Six_Two> possibly some samba packages like samba-common and samba-libs but maybe not?
[03:15] <Seven_Six_Two> I'm going off memory
[03:25] <theborger> any once lend me a hand please?
[03:42] <kyle-lemons> anyone around?
[03:42] <swift110> hey kyle-lemons
[03:42] <kyle-lemons> heyo
[03:42] <kyle-lemons> could someone help me figure out a weird ubuntu installer problem?
[03:44] <Bashing-om> !ask | kyle-lemons
[03:45] <kyle-lemons> !patience
[03:45] <kyle-lemons> gotcha, in that case:
[03:46] <kyle-lemons> I currently have a laptop and external m2 ssd
[03:46] <kyle-lemons> I have an efi partition on the ssd and want ubuntu to be completely contained on the external drive
[03:46] <kyle-lemons> however, when I install ubuntu to the drive, it always chooses my laptops internal ssd for the efi partition
[03:47] <kyle-lemons> how can I force it to pick the efi partition on the external ssd over the efi partition on my internal ssd
[03:47] <kyle-lemons> opening up the laptop is not an option
[03:48] <lordcirth_> kyle-lemons, you are doing manual partitioning, with an EFI partition on the external, and it still installs to the internal?
[03:48] <kyle-lemons> yes
[03:49] <kyle-lemons> when I mount the internal efi parition /EFI/ubuntu exists, while the external efi partition is empty
[03:53] <imbezol> theborger: might help if you put your config file up somewhere
[03:53] <imbezol> https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[03:54] <kyle-lemons> config file for an os install?
[03:56] <imbezol> kyle-lemons: when a line starts with a username and a : it means it is addressed to that particular user
[03:58] <theborger> imbezol: https://pastebin.com/VZ6jp0i8
[03:58] <kyle-lemons> ah woops sorry, I was reading that as who it was from
[03:58] <kyle-lemons> new to irc
[03:59] <swift110> hey kyle-lemons
[03:59] <kyle-lemons> hey swift110
[04:01] <imbezol> theborger: if you run 'ip link' does it show the two interfaces you've specified?
[04:01] <swift110> how r u kyle-lemons
[04:02] <theborger> imbezol: https://pastebin.com/ZArRYxmU
[04:02] <kyle-lemons> I'm alright
[04:03] <kyle-lemons> wby
[04:03] <theborger> imbezol: so i want 2 and 4 linked together.  then i want to link 3 and 5 but cant get the first ones to work
[04:05] <swift110> oh
[04:06] <swift110> im good
[04:06] <imbezol> theborger: https://netplan.io/examples
[04:06] <imbezol> if you look at the second example for bond it lists the interfaces first
[04:06] <imbezol> i would __think__ that what you're doing would work, but you could try the second format
[04:07] <imbezol> also, i generally put multiple items into a list using square brackets rather than use - for each on separate lines, but the error message you're getting seems to indicate it put them in a list anyway
[04:08] <theborger> imbezol: you mean the example where it says setting up a router?
[04:09] <imbezol> ya
[04:11] <theborger> imbezol: i really dont understand what you are saying
[04:11] <imbezol> i'm saying to try adding an ethernets: section above the bonds: section
[04:12] <imbezol> and put the interfaces: in [ ] instead of one per line
[04:12] <kyle-lemons> I tried marking the internal efi partition as do not use for now, will reinstall and then unmark as do not use and see what happens
[04:19] <imbezol> theborger: https://pastebin.com/kScdcEBJ
[04:25] <theborger> imbezol: thanks for writing that out.
[04:36] <theborger> imbezol: it works. i rebooted but i cant ping the first network now
[04:36] <theborger> so bon0 list the right ip but i cant ping it. bon1 i know the ip and it's working fine
[04:37] <imbezol> no firewall rules?
[04:37] <imbezol> i'd suspect something else otherwise... switch config? subnet configuration? vlan? etc
[04:38] <theborger> imbezol: looking at that now i think i know what happened
[04:50] <theborger> imbezol: all up and working thank you for the help.  i still wounder why it was not working the old way
[04:53] <imbezol> theborger: good to hear
[04:59] <pi0> does ubuntu have a usb sniffer
[05:00] <pi0> i want to see what commands are running in the background
[05:00] <pi0> when a launch an ap
[05:03] <oerheks> wireshark can do that, https://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/USB
[05:07] <pi0> i will look into it
[05:10] <jrgilman> hey guys, having some trouble using network-manager-l2tp to connect to a VPN, I've set Phase I and Phase II and have gotten further along, but now i'm getting this: https://kopy.io/uOTS2
[05:10] <pi0> have you tried it before?
[05:22] <littlepython> hi there
[05:22] <littlepython> i need some help on snap
[05:22] <littlepython> i get this error /snap/bin/kubectl: No such file or directory
[05:22] <littlepython> when i run kubectl get pod command
[05:22] <littlepython> how can i fix this
[05:23] <littlepython> I have removed the kubectl binary from /snap/bin and reinstalled kubectl again
[05:23] <littlepython> now when i do which kubectl - i get this correct path /usr/local/bin/kubectl
[05:23] <littlepython> but when i run kubectl commands it says -bash: /snap/bin/kubectl: No such file or directory
[05:25] <littlepython> when i do sudo snap refreshError: unknown command "refresh" for "helm"Run 'helm --help' for usage.
[05:25] <littlepython> any help?
[06:08] <swift110> hmm
[07:15] <Seven_Six_Two> is there a script in the current folder called kubectl?
[07:16] <Seven_Six_Two> or a bash alias? I'm not sure whether 'which' respects user aliases
[07:21] <geirha> It doesn't. Use the type builtin instead of which. ''type kubectl''
[07:25] <geirha> littlepython: It remembers the old location in that session. You can run  hash -d kubectl  to make it forget it for that one command, or  hash -r  to forget the locations of all commands
[07:25] <littlepython> i did hash -r to solve that
[07:25] <littlepython> but why this got messed up in the first place
[07:26] <geirha> you ran kubectl at an earlier point, when the snap version was first in PATH. It then remembers that location so that it doesn't have to look through PATH each time you want to run the command
[07:31] <littlepython> oh ok..
[07:32] <littlepython> geirha: i  have the subfunction that calls the function. now the subfunction should support for parameters --account test
[07:32] <littlepython> how can i do that..
[07:32] <geirha> just pass on "$@", including the quotes
[07:35] <littlepython> geirha: this is the snippet i have https://dpaste.org/eFDn
[07:36] <geirha> setcontext "$@"
[07:36] <littlepython> this is how i want to execute
[07:36] <littlepython> myscript.sh setcontext --NS_NAME=myns --cluster=dev
[07:37] <littlepython> ok this is what i have now
[07:37] <littlepython> https://dpaste.org/LsgC
[07:37] <geirha> ok, so you want to parse them yourself
[07:37] <littlepython> will this work?
[07:38] <littlepython> when i run myscript.sh setcontext --NS_NAME=myns --cluster=dev
[07:38] <littlepython> the script should work
[07:38] <geirha> No, I assumed the options were for kubectl, but you want to parse them and then pass on another set of options to the actual kubectl command
[07:38] <geirha> This explains how to parse options in bash: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/035
[07:39] <littlepython> yes
[07:40] <littlepython> could you share me the snippet for my use case.. i can understand easily that way
[07:41] <littlepython> should i have to use getopts? is that the way?
[07:43] <geirha> no, getopts only support short options
[07:44] <littlepython> short options?
[07:49] <styledash> seems like bash and k8s support... not ubuntu support lol
[07:57] <geirha> littlepython: so something like this  http://ix.io/2d9p/bash
[08:00] <littlepython> geirha: ok but it doesnt echo out .. ran something like this
[08:00] <littlepython> bash test.sh --ns_name=test --cluster=dev
[08:01] <geirha> It's just at function, not a full script
[08:01] <geirha> also, don't put .sh extension on bash scripts, it's misleading and redundant
[08:05] <littlepython> cool it works, thank you
[08:07] <littlepython> geriha i have few bash related questions
[08:07] <littlepython> is this a good place to ask. or  can i ask you in #bash
[08:15] <XsiSec> Hi folks is it possible somehow to extract all the drivers from a live cd and install them directly on a desktop?
[08:27] <SwedeMike> XsiSec: a "driver" in Linux is a kernel module (most of the time). So no, that doesn't generally work, you need to upgrade the kernel or compile a new module for the kernel you're running.
[08:28] <XsiSec> in my case I know this is the channel for ubuntu, but I running the flavour debian buster, unfortunately a lots of drivers is missing so I wonder if its possible to transfer the working drivers from ubuntu towards my existing debian setup
[08:31] <oerheks> drivers not in buster, interesting
[08:31] <oerheks> no, don't mix ubuntu and debian stuff like that
[08:37] <XsiSec> of course that's against all the best practises but..
[08:39] <oerheks> for buster or any debian, there is an iso with all non free drivers/firmware
[08:41] <legreffier> it's probably just a repo to activate, a line to uncomment. anyway, it's not only "not the best practice", but also probably not the easiest, nor the most reliable.
[08:47] <oerheks> XsiSec, #debian helps you out
[08:59] <OtakuSenpai> hey guys
[08:59] <OtakuSenpai> is there a way to install ubuntu alongside windowss
[09:00] <OtakuSenpai> ill get my pc today, on which i plan to install ubuntu first, then get the windows cd key on friday
[09:00] <OtakuSenpai> and install it then
[09:00] <sixwheeledbeast> OtakuSenpai: normally yes it's called dual booting. alternative options are to run WIndows in a VM
[09:00] <OtakuSenpai> sixwheeledbeast, i want to dual boot
[09:00] <oerheks> install windows first, then ubuntu
[09:01] <OtakuSenpai> but i wont have a os installed on the pc from today till friday
[09:01] <OtakuSenpai> i dont want to wait testing it
[09:01] <OtakuSenpai> what im asking is can i install ubuntu first then install windows later
[09:01] <EriC^^> OtakuSenpai: ok, so you'll want to plan out your partitions and which os you want to give how much space
[09:01] <sixwheeledbeast> If you definitely want to dual boot then run ubuntu AFTER windows the installer will detect the windows installation so it can be setup.
[09:01] <EriC^^> OtakuSenpai: yes
[09:02] <oerheks> if this is a recent / new pc, you might want to read the uefi manual first
[09:02] <oerheks> !uefi
[09:02] <sixwheeledbeast> You can just run the live image for now.
[09:02] <OtakuSenpai> https://itsfoss.com/no-grub-windows-linux/
[09:02] <OtakuSenpai> this guide says that there is a way to detect the grubx64.efi file from windows
[09:03] <EriC^^> OtakuSenpai: use manual partitioning in the ubuntu installer, leave unallocated space for windows
[09:03] <EriC^^> OtakuSenpai: once you install windows, just boot a live ubuntu usb and reinstall grub
[09:03] <OtakuSenpai> EriC^^, i have previous experience with debian and void, i can handle the partitioning
[09:03] <EriC^^> OtakuSenpai: great
[09:03] <OtakuSenpai> but idk how to make windows give way for ubuntu
[09:04] <OtakuSenpai> like in the boot menu
[09:04] <OtakuSenpai> oh
[09:04] <OtakuSenpai> i see
[09:04] <OtakuSenpai> so grub install
[09:04] <EriC^^> OtakuSenpai: ah, well, once you install windows, yeah just reinstall grub
[09:04] <OtakuSenpai> ok
[09:04] <OtakuSenpai> ill try that
[09:04] <EriC^^> OtakuSenpai: i've made a very comprehensive site on booting issues feel free to browse it
[09:05] <EriC^^> http://pchelp.youtubextras.com/topics/reinstalling-grub
[09:05] <EriC^^> it likely has everything you'll need regarding grub/uefi and windows/ubuntu dualbooting
[09:05] <EriC^^> also just check back here there are always people in the channel
[09:09] <OtakuSenpai> is the default ubuntu download for gnome desktop?
[09:09] <EriC^^> yea
[09:10] <OtakuSenpai> ok thnx
[09:13] <sixwheeledbeast> The new Gnome yer.
[09:23] <funabashi> Hi I have a question, I want that my CPU has to work, i want to check if CPU utilization for my monitoring system. How can I do so my CPU work hard?
[09:30] <sixwheeledbeast> There are plenty of tools for this, "top" in a terminal being the simplest. If your not native english speaker ubuntu has other channels
[10:14] <jka1> I have a cron job which took between 20 seconds and 2 years. To get a feeling if my cron job is running, i put the log file in the desktop folder (which is called "Schreibtisch" in german language). If i see the icon, i know, that my cron job is running. My crontab looks like this:
[10:14] <jka1> "flock -n ~/.config/g4t4llp0rn/cronjob.lock /usr/local/bin/g4t4llp0rn -v > ~/Schreibtisch/g4t4llp0rn.txt 2>&1 ; mv ~/Schreibtisch/g4t4llp0rn.txt ~/.config/g4t4llp0rn/g4t4llp0rn.txt"
[10:15] <jka1> This is a little bit weird, isn't it? Is there a better solution to keep an eye on my cron job if it's running or not?
[10:32] <mouses> jka1: Create a bash script for the cron job with a wrapper and have it output log information?  Check the logs with something like:  journalctl _COMM=cron --since="date" --until="date"
[10:38] <jka1> I know how to find out that my job is running. I want to keep an eye while the system is running, without the purpose of any interaction. Like a status-led i.e.
[10:53] <cnnx> is there a way to restore all ubuntu system files while preserving data on my computer? kind of like the MCT tool for win10
[10:58] <jka1> All personal files should be stored in /home
[11:08] <sixwheeledbeast> cnnx: how you go about it depends what files your keeping or not, but anything is possible.
[11:10] <sixwheeledbeast> I just looked at the MCT tool and it's like making an iso image of your system which you can do.
[11:11] <cnnx> I just found the instructions
[11:11] <cnnx> im downloading the dvd iso
[11:11] <cnnx> then will use the "reinstall ubuntu" option
[11:11] <cnnx> that will keep my data
[11:22] <Abhijit> Hi
[12:26] <ace_me> how can I set and unset APP_ENV in ubuntu bash please
[12:27] <ace_me> I've tried by adding sudo nano /etc/environment a new line with APP_ENV="test" and then source ~/.bashrc
[12:27] <ace_me>  ... then opening a new terminal window and press env nothing set there
[12:28] <geirha> /etc/environment is read when you log in, and opening a new terminal does not count as logging in
[12:29] <cousteau> Hi!  I added a ppa (jgross-h/many-coq-versions) on Xenial and then ran apt update.  I should be able to install a package named coq-8.10.0, which should be available for Xenial, however that package cannot be found.  What could I be missing?
[12:30] <cousteau> I got a lot of new packages, so the ppa worked; but the newest is coq-8.9.1
[12:31] <oerheks> cousteau, always check the launchpad page https://launchpad.net/~jgross-h/+archive/ubuntu/many-coq-versions?field.series_filter=xenial
[12:31] <oerheks> see right top corner : coq-8.10.0 21 weeks ago Failed to build: amd64 i386
[12:31] <cousteau> oerheks: it does say coq-8.10.0 is available
[12:31] <cousteau> oh
[12:32] <cousteau> oops, thanks
[12:33] <cousteau> so that means coq-8.10.0 doesn-t work for ANY Ubuntu version?
[12:33] <cousteau> and... probably has never worked?
[12:34] <oerheks> cousteau, i think so, bionic gives the same error
[12:34] <oerheks> he is more active on https://launchpad.net/~jgross-h/+archive/ubuntu/coq-master-daily?field.series_filter=xenial
[12:34] <oerheks> 5 hrs ago
[12:34] <cousteau> sigh... am I seriously going to have to compile this?  Dammit :(  I was hopeful I wouldn't need to
[12:35] <cousteau> lemme check that ppa though
[12:37] <cousteau> hm, guess I could install the daily master build instead... thanks, oerheks!
[12:37] <ice9> rkhunter is installed but  there is no .service for it, how do I start it?
[12:37] <roczj> nick roc
[12:39] <oerheks> ice9, configure it, and start manually updating and run: rkhunter --check https://kifarunix.com/how-to-install-rkhunter-rootkit-hunter-on-ubuntu-18-04/
[12:40] <oerheks> have fun with tons of false positives :-D
[12:42] <ace_me> geirha: in fact was initiated in apache specific cof for that website
[12:42] <ace_me> thx
[12:49] <willhunt> Hi, I am using lighdm-gtk-greeter and want to remap the escape key to a tab at the login screen, any help?
[12:54] <ioria> willhunt, xmodmap should work if run as a lightdm hook (but never done personally)
[12:57] <willhunt> iroia, xmodmap worked if i logged into the system, but not worked at the login screen
[12:57] <ioria> willhunt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM#Adding_System_Hooks
[13:01] <cousteau> oerheks: fwiw, the version of coq found in that PPA you suggested seems to work fine, thanks a million!
[13:02] <willhunt> ioria, I tried greeter-setup-script and display-setup-script, i write a shell which run `xmodmap -e "keycode 9 = Tab ISO_Left_Tab Tab ISO_Left_Tab"`
[13:03] <willhunt> I lookedup the lightmd.log and see the script runned, but the key not been remapped
[13:05] <ioria> willhunt, be sure is 9 (xmodmap -pke | grep -i esc); then   try just   :  xmodmap -e "keycode 9 = Tab"
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:09] <willhunt> ioria, thank you, i will check
[13:09] <oerheks> cousteau, have fun!
[13:10] <cousteau> It's a development software, but sure!
[13:10] <ioria> willhunt, ok
[13:43] <willhunt> ioria, I have checked the keycode using xev and the xmodmap command worked as expected, but when i at login screen, that doesnot work
[13:47] <z4kst4r> Hi Guys, I  have  multiple sites to connect to using vpn and then opening a platform on the webgui or ssh session for that site and I have to keep switching between the sites and to their interface. I have some scripts to connect to vpn and open webgui however, I was looking to create a graphical frontend for my desktop. wherein I blocks in a list for each site and I can double click to connect to the vpn and right click to choose to connect through webgu
[13:47] <z4kst4r> platform as well.
[13:47] <z4kst4r> I am not an advanced programmer but I think I should be able to do this at least. Do you have any ideas on what language and packages can be used to accomplish the above?
[13:49] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: This is an Ubuntu support channel, for help troubleshooting and triaging issues encountered for Ubuntu. For software development questions, please use #ubuntu-offtopic, #ubuntu-app-devel, or use !alis to search for a channel more closely aligned with your topic.
[13:51] <z4kst4r> pragmaticenigma: sure, Thanks!
[13:53] <BluesKaj> z4kst4r, maybe try ##linux as well
[13:54] <ioria> WildSoft, i cannot test it atm, (might depends on your layout or a xorg.conf setting) but if lightdm hook is not working, you can always edit /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/pc
[13:59] <z4kst4r> BluesKaj: Thanks! trying :)
[14:00] <BluesKaj> z4kst4r, yeah, I see that, there's alot of knowledgeable helpful people there, but one needs some patience for a fitting answer too
[14:32] <Psi-Jack> So, what do you do if you have an application (or two), that doesn't have an icon. Such as an AppImage application that shows up on the dock with an indicator it's running, but emptiness where the icon would normally be?
[14:39] <pragmaticenigma> Kind of sounds like something that might need a bug report submitted
[14:41] <Psi-Jack> To Ubuntu, or to the app(s) involved?
[14:41] <pragmaticenigma> !bug
[14:42] <pragmaticenigma> Psi-Jack: You report it to launchpad ... follow the link from ubottu
[14:42] <Psi-Jack> I was trying out Station, a multi-IM client, because rambox and ramboxpro both just stopped working...
[14:45] <Psi-Jack> Then again, Station..... Lacks putting itself into the application menus too. :/
[14:46] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: I don't think either of those applications are available in ubuntu. You'd be better off reporting to their respective authors/project pages
[14:46] <Psi-Jack> RamboxCE and RamboxPro are in Ubuntu snaps
[14:59] <bubblefoo> hi,i have lots of old kernels in /boot.do i have to keep them?can they just be removed,or would that some damage the functionality of the OS?
[15:01] <pragmaticenigma> bubblefoo: Try running "sudo apt autoremove" in the terminal... that should remove the old kernels
[15:04] <NetworkRenderer> hey, maybe this question is dumb, but yesterday i noticed, that nearly all of the software in the desktop lts version 18.04 and even in the current latest release 19.10 is deprectated. Is there a plausible reason for that? in my oppinion using software that isn't up to date is bad and you should always go with the latest stable release
[15:04] <NetworkRenderer> (i mean from the softwarecenter)
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> NetworkRenderer: Are they actually flagged as deprecated, or is that a term you have applied
[15:05] <pragmaticenigma> !latest | NetworkRenderer, rest assured that the packages made available have appropriate security patches applied. However
[15:05] <NetworkRenderer> it is a term i have applied, meaning the software is behind whats actually is the latest release
[15:07] <leftyfb> NetworkRenderer: I'm running the latest firefox and thunderbird. Not to mention, all the snaps are up to date.
[15:08] <pragmaticenigma> NetworkRenderer: If you require the latest version of an application, you can look at installing the application as a "snap" which are then maintained by the snap author and receive more frequent updates and stay up-to-date with the developer's released versions. Note, snaps are sometimes created by someone other than the developer, so they may also lag behind while the maintainer works on catching up to the latest version.
[15:08] <leftyfb> NetworkRenderer: Ubuntu is not a rolling release
[15:08] <NetworkRenderer> leftyfb on example i have is gnucash wich is 3.8 but lts ubuntu was still on 2.7 only having bug fixes
[15:09] <pragmaticenigma> NetworkRenderer: See what Ubottu said earlier?
[15:09] <NetworkRenderer> yeah i already noticed pragmaticenigma already opened the wiki entries to that
[15:11] <pragmaticenigma> !info gnucash focal | NetworkRenderer, At release, Ubuntu 20.04 will have this version of GnuCash available
[15:12] <bubblefoo> pragmatic,you just running that command without mentioning some specific kernel version?
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> bubblefoo: That command checks for installed packages that have been marked as safe for removal
[15:13] <pragmaticenigma> bubblefoo: it will prompt you before it performs any action
[15:14] <NetworkRenderer> !info kicad focal | NetworkRenderer
[15:14] <bubblefoo> thanks a lot pragmatic.will get rid of lots stuff
[15:14] <TW1920> Describing what a colleague today did: https://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/sudo-rm-rf.gif *facepalm*
[15:15] <leftyfb> !ot | TW1920
[15:15] <NetworkRenderer> :D
[15:16] <ice9> how to play .dav file?
[15:17] <Woet> ice9: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+how+to+play+.dav+file%3F
[15:17] <Habbie> ice9, what kind of file is it? what does 'file yourfile.dav' say?
[15:17] <Woet> hi Habbie :)
[15:17] <Habbie> woet woet
[15:19] <crimson_king> I'm installing one of the mainline kernels to help debug a problem as recommended to me in a bug report, but I need to confirm with you if I'm picking the right files to install. https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.0.21/  (I'm downloading the ones marked with chevrons: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/frpFMf7N4r/)
[15:20] <pragmaticenigma> !hwe | crimson_king, you might want to try this first:
[15:21] <pragmaticenigma> !mainline | crimson_king, otherwise there is some helpful information in this factoid
[15:23] <crimson_king> pragmaticenigma, That explains a lot, thank you
[15:33] <subcool> ok. my google results arent helpful. I am looking for software, or a suite... to test my Desktop PC. - Hardware testing would be nice. But- right now i want to test my Power SUpply to make sure it is still in good standing order. I have found that EVERY post i find basically pulls over to HWmonitor and Lmsensors. Which - i get, is the software used. BUT - is there a suite or something similiar where i can run the software, and IT can mon
[15:33] <subcool> itor my voltages and tell me if i goes over or under?
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> subcool: A tool I am aware of is provided by the package "lm-sensors" ... though it has more focus on CPU and fan speeds. i have not seen an out of the box tool for monitoring voltages. Every motherboard, CPU, system architecture is different and would require knowledge before hand of what you want to monitor. You can see a posting on askubuntu about this topic (https://askubuntu.com/a/935278) ... in the future, please use
[15:41] <pragmaticenigma> #ubuntu-offtopic for asking about software recommendations
[15:42] <subcool> thanks
[15:43] <genii> subcool: For the most part, PSUs are dumb devices which just deliver power to the motherboard. Motherboards have some limited facilites to measure things like fan speed, temperature, and occasionally some more complex things like the VCORE voltage of the CPU.
[15:44] <genii> ..so there's not really any consistent method of doing something like measuring the voltage on the rails of the PSU from inside the operating system
[15:44] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.... So, yeah. When I try to start `ramboxpro` from terminal, it immediately gives a return-code of 1.
[15:45] <subcool> i was hoping tings have advanced....
[15:45] <Psi-Jack> Funny thing... Ramboxpro works on my Tabtop also running Ubuntu 19.10.
[15:45] <subcool> this one is at its age. and i want to test it without haveing to babysit it with a multi meter or some expensive hardware tester
[15:46] <subcool> oh wow- nvm they are like 15 - 50$
[15:46] <subcool> thats not bad.
[15:49] <Kevin`> how can I prevent a specific sound card from being used by graphical sessions? as best as I can tell there's something in systemd which assigns acl permissions to all sound devices whenever a user logs in and periodically, but i'm having trouble finding any documentation on controlling it
[15:50] <genii> subcool: There are also some digital readout voltmeters which are designed to be inserted between the PSU and motherboard, and can be mounted in a 5.25" bay, generally around $30-50 USD range
[15:55] <robert45> hi guys, is there any way to configure apt-get to alert me over email when there are available packages updates?
[15:55] <subcool> genii: OH thats cool
[15:55] <subcool> scary - but cool
[15:55] <leftyfb> robert45: install and configure apticron
[15:56] <robert45> leftyfb excellent, thank you!
[16:08] <bieb> need some network help... built a new webserver, with 18.04, everything worked perfectly when the server was dhcp. I changed it to the static IP of our old server using netplan. it semi works.. the ip address can be reached through our firewall, and reached by internal PCs. The server can not get outside, ie.. no ubuntu updates, can't ping cnn.com, yahoo.com, etc, (but dns does resolve the host to an IP) I can ping any internal server, s
[16:08] <bieb> witch, gateway, PC.. its just connecting to the outside. I have looked at the resolv.conf it shows Nameserver 127.0.0.53, and options edns0.. Any other ideas where to check next?
[16:13] <sixwheeledbeast> ufw blocking outbound?
[16:14] <bieb> sixwheeledbeast: ufw is off
[16:24] <EriC^^_> bieb: any iptables rules?
[16:24] <EriC^^_> (sudo iptables -L)
[16:27] <bieb> EriC^^_: Chain Input, forward and output all say "Policy accept" the rest of the chains refer to ufw, which is ufw status
[16:28] <bieb> which is inactive
[16:28] <pragmaticenigma> bieb: is the old system still active on the network?
[16:29] <EriC^^_> bieb: you can also try asking in ##networking if nobody here knows
[16:29] <bieb> turned off and disconnected from network
[16:30] <bieb> thanks EriC^^_ I am also looking at systemd resolved issues on various google hits
[16:30] <pragmaticenigma> personally, I don't assign static IPs directly on the machine, but instead setup a reservation on the DHCP server for it. That would be the suggestion I could offer for resolution
[16:31] <pragmaticenigma> bieb: If you type in the IP address of an external website... does that work?
[16:32] <bieb> pragmaticenigma: one sec.. I will check it
[16:34] <z4kst4r> I am trying to install python package "wxPython" and pip3 told me it needs Package "gtk+-3.0" so I installed with "apt install" now I still get "checking for GTK+ - version >= 3.0.0... Package gtk+-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path" what is the problem here?
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: Do not use pip to install python packages
[16:36] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: Unless you are running Python in a pyenv or virtualenv... you will break your system by attempting to use pip or pip3 on your local machine
[16:37] <Confuzzled2050> z4k, try https://wiki.wxpython.org/How%20to%20install%20wxPython
[16:38] <pragmaticenigma> Confuzzled2050: I just told them not to do that
[16:40] <ali1234> how do i fix this error: E: The package linux-image-4.11.0-rc3+-dbg needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[16:40] <ali1234> that's a kernel package that i built and installed myself
[16:40] <ali1234> i want to remove it and go back to distro kernels
[16:40] <ali1234> but whenever i try to do anything with apt or synaptic it jus says that error
[16:41] <ali1234> that includes "sudo apt-get purge linux-image-4.11.0-rc3+-dbg"
[16:41] <ali1234> "sudo apt-get -f remove" also does not work
[16:42] <pragmaticenigma> ali1234: apt will not be able to remove a kernel that you manually installed
[16:43] <ali1234> okay i removed it with dpkg
[16:43] <ali1234> i have a lot of packages like that since i did a bisection
[16:44] <z4kst4r> pragmaticenigma, Confuzzled2050: Is the recommended approach to use virtualenv?
[16:44] <pragmaticenigma> ali1234: that would then mean that your installation is not supported here... support here is only for official Ubuntu flavors as provided through the official ubuntu software repositories.
[16:44] <ali1234> i did the bisection at the request of ubuntu developers
[16:45] <ali1234> i would like to now remove all the kernel packages and go back to the official kernel
[16:45] <ali1234> how do i do that?
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: if you require specific pip packages, yes... always use the virtualenv ... otherwise Ubuntu services will start to fail because pip does not check to make sure its refresh of packages to meet dependencies will not affect the host operating system
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> ali1234: then you should be asking for help in #ubuntu-devel ... no one here should have recommended that
[16:46] <ali1234> okay
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: otherwise, in apt "python-wxgtk..." where ... is the version you desire, is the supported method to installing wxpython without the need for virtualenv
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: So I think the version you are looking for would required "sudo apt install python-wxgtk3.0"
[16:49] <z4kst4r> pragmaticenigma: I did install with "apt install gtk+3.0" and it installed python-wxgtk3.0 but it still wasnt working
[16:50] <z4kst4r> By wasnt working I mean, I could not import with "import wxPython"
[16:51] <z4kst4r> Could it be that it installed for python2.x rather than for python3.x?
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: because that isn't how you import it
[16:51] <z4kst4r> I later did "apt purge gtk+3.0" and removed it though. After you told me to use virtualenv
[16:52] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: To work with wxPython... you "import wx"
[16:53] <pragmaticenigma> z4kst4r: Further help with Python can be found in the #python channel
[16:53] <z4kst4r> pragmaticenigma: Alright! Thanks for your help so far :)
[16:59] <physiology> On an 'ifconfig' I only see 'lo loopback' even though my cable is set and has lights.  Is there a step where I have to enable an ethernet interface before using it?
[17:00] <Confuzzled2050> Physiology, you using a VM?
[17:00] <physiology> Confuzzled2050: No, bare metal.
[17:01] <Confuzzled2050> No idea then, sorry. Hopefully someone else can help.
[17:01] <physiology> Confuzzled2050: Thank you, though.
[17:09] <physiology> Even 'ifconfig -s -a' only shows 'lo'
[17:10] <bieb> physiology: what version of ubuntu?
[17:12] <physiology> 16.04 LTS bieb
[17:12] <TJ-> physiology:  what does "ls /sys/class/net/" report ?
[17:12] <bieb> physiology: cat /etc/network/interfaces
[17:13] <physiology> TJ-: lo
[17:13] <physiology> bieb: 'auto lo\n iface lo inet loopback'
[17:14] <rapidwave> How do I get progress on an unattended upgrade? I didn't realize there was one going.
[17:14] <TJ-> physiology:  so, the hardware isn't recognised. Is it an internal Ethernet port? if so, what does this report: "lspci -nn -d ::0200"
[17:16] <physiology> TJ-: '00:1f.6 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:15bb] (rev 10)'
[17:17] <TJ-> physiology:  OK, so that should use the e1000e kernel module. Let's see if it is in use: "sudo lspci -vvnnk -d ::0200"
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> rapidwave: You might be able to see something with "tail -f /var/log/apt/term.log"
[17:29] <rapidwave> That didn't seem to work. Maybe hte file is continuously being appended
[17:30] <TJ-> rapidwave:  how about "tail -f /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log "
[17:33] <bieb> I have an ubuntu 18.04 server, ssh is installed and active (I was previously able to connect) when I try to connect now, I get "connection timed out" What should I check next?
[17:38] <TJ-> bieb: that suggests the host isn't reachable... if it were reachable but the port were closed you'd get "Connection refused"
[17:38] <TJ-> bieb:  can the target host be reached in any other way, ping ?
[17:38] <bieb> TJ-: yeah.. I can ping it
[17:39] <TJ-> bieb: is it on the same subnet as the host you're trying to connect from? I'm wondering if there's a router/firewall in between?
[17:43] <bieb> TJ-: yes
[17:44] <TJ-> bieb: besides ping, are you able to connect to any other services (e.g. HTTP) on the target?
[17:45] <TJ-> bieb: you could test ports with "nmap 1.2.3.4" (but the target hostname/address in there)
[17:47] <bieb> TJ-: thanks.. I will check that
[17:55] <Kangarooo> I cant install boot-repair on 20.04. How to add ppa? What to read to learn putting old version ppa? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python/+bug/1865529
[17:56] <rapidwave> TJ: That seems to just hang too
[17:56] <TJ-> rapidwave:  the -f means 'follow' so it sits watching the file... press Ctrl+C to exit
[18:21] <ash_worksi> when when I do `rg 'user_id' ##php*` I start getting hits in #symfony #python and #postgresql ?
[18:21] <ash_worksi> why* when I do
[18:24] <bubblefoo> hi,tried to remove unnecessary kernels with sudo apt autoremove but kernels are still there.whta's wrong?
[18:28] <ash_worksi> ftr: because ## requires a \ before it
[18:30] <pragmaticenigma> bubblefoo: are all the kernels still there, or just a few?
[18:35] <bubblefoo> they are all still there
[18:36] <bynarie> whats the channel for bash on windows/wsl?
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> !alis | bynarie
[18:38] <pragmaticenigma> !wsl | bynarie
[18:39] <bynarie> thank you
[18:50] <extor> Is the April 2020 release of the new LTS going to have a smooth upgrade optin from the current stable 19.10 to the new LTS?
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> extor: All versions are tested to the best of the ability of the development teams to ensure a smooth transition. However, not every case can be predicted. For starters, the upgrade to 20.04 is usually release a few months after the official release of Ubuntu. Many users use a flag with "do-release-upgrade" that sets them on the developer channel, which you won't want to be on, if you want a stable system. Next, if you have
[18:54] <pragmaticenigma> enabled any PPAs, those will be turned off and the software installed by them removed. (replaced if possible by packages in Ubuntu's main repositories.) To reduce issues, it's a good idea to disable/remove PPAs before attempting to use the upgrade tool.
[18:56] <pragmaticenigma> extor: For additional concerns, please reach out in #ubuntu+1 ... that is the place to further discuss and receive support for Ubuntu 20.04 prior to its release
[18:58] <extor> Ok
[18:59] <RoseBus> hello, for ubuntu 18, what is a good way to execute a python script upon booting os?
[19:01] <rangergord> RoseBus, OS bootup, as in a system service that will start regardless of user login, launch a personal script when you login?
[19:01] <pragmaticenigma> !YY.MM | RoseBus , also please note:
[19:02] <notguest96> What channel is there to talk about ubuntu offtopic?
[19:02] <pragmaticenigma> !ot | notguest96
[19:02] <RoseBus> thank you pragmaticenigma
[19:03] <RoseBus> Ubuntu 18.04
[19:03] <RoseBus> rangergord, after user login
[19:07] <Sohom_Datta> Is there a way to downgrade my OS without losing all my data ?
[19:07] <rangergord> RoseBus, there's a special directory called /home/youruser/.config/autostart...but the best way is to learn to write a systemd service, because it applies to pretty much every distro.
[19:08] <Sohom_Datta> I need to go from 19.10 to 18.04..
[19:08] <RoseBus> rangergord, ty
[19:08] <pragmaticenigma> Sohom_Datta: No, there is no path to downgrade an Ubuntu version to a previous release. Is there something in particular you are having an issue with that the volunteers here might be able to help you with Sohom_Datta ?
[19:08] <sixwheeledbeast> GUI way could be "startup applications" program
[19:08] <rangergord> RoseBus, https://superuser.com/questions/1037466/how-to-start-a-systemd-service-after-user-login-and-stop-it-before-user-logout/1269158
[19:09] <sixwheeledbeast> think it would be called gnome-startup-applications
[19:09] <rangergord> RoseBus, oh right, see if there's a way in the GUI as sixwheeledbeast says. Could be easier.
[19:10] <RoseBus> rangergord, the python script cannot be moved because the C++ operating along side it has it's own build directory
[19:11] <RoseBus> (i built from source)
[19:11] <sixwheeledbeast> make a wrapper script for it?
[19:11] <RoseBus> okay i will look into wrapper scripts, this will be the first time i ever did that
[19:12] <rangergord> RoseBus, you don't have to move your script, your startup script can be simply be one line "python /path/to/pythonscript.py", ie just call your script
[19:12] <RoseBus> or i could put a mini-python script that calls the external one
[19:12] <RoseBus> rangergord, ahha exactly my thought just now
[19:13] <Sohom_Datta> pragmaticenigma, The actual issue is sort offtopic.. but I am unable to find the ros-melodic* packages in apt-get...
[19:13] <rangergord> RoseBus, OK, since you seem to be a beginner and I antipate problems...learn the concept of "current working directory", and make sure you print it at the beginning of every script
[19:13] <rangergord> this way when your script doesn't work you'll have a better idea why
[19:14] <Sohom_Datta> Basically I either need to somehow get the bionic packages onto my system (which is 18.04)...
[19:14] <RoseBus> rangergord, do i need to chmod +x for the script in my autostart dir?
[19:14] <pragmaticenigma> Sohom_Datta: There are no packages starting with "ros-melodic" in Bionic either
[19:14] <rangergord> RoseBus, make it a habit
[19:15] <RoseBus> okay haha
[19:15] <RoseBus> i am linux beginner
[19:15] <Sohom_Datta> pragmaticenigma, It's ros-melodic-desktop-full ...
[19:15] <pragmaticenigma> RoseBus: If your python script has the appropriate "#!" at the beginning, you can. Otherwise your command should start with /usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/python3 which ever is applicable
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> followed by the script you wish to execute. No +x required
[19:16] <RoseBus> yes i put #/user/bin/python at line 1
[19:16] <RoseBus>  /usr*
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> Sohom_Datta: The package does not exist in Bionic
[19:16] <pragmaticenigma> !info ros-melodic-desktop-full bionic | Sohom_Datta
[19:17] <Sohom_Datta> http://wiki.ros.org/melodic/Installation/Ubuntu#Installation.2BAC8-Ubuntu.2BAC8-Sources.Configure_your_Ubuntu_repositories
[19:18] <Sohom_Datta> I was following this guide, they mention the package...
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> Sohom_Datta: That is referring to an unsupportable PPA. If you enable that, support here will become limited
[19:20] <pragmaticenigma> Sohom_Datta: Supported is installing "sudo apt install ros-desktop" which is the ROS desktop
[19:21] <pragmaticenigma> and available in the official ubuntu software repositories
[19:23] <Kangarooo> I cant install boot-repair on 20.04. How to add ppa? What to read to learn putting old version ppa? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python/+bug/1865529
[19:23] <pragmaticenigma> Kangarooo: Support for unreleased versions of Ubuntu is only available in #ubuntu+1
[19:24] <pragmaticenigma> Kangarooo: Unless you have a specific reason to be running untested distribution. It would be recommended that you install Ubuntu 18.04 for LTS support, or 19.10 for regular release support.
[19:29] <Kangarooo> @pragmaticenigma, ok, how in case i had 18.04 and want pack that is in 16.04. How to add older version ppa? Cant find help wiki
[19:30] <pragmaticenigma> Kangarooo: You cannot mix release versions, things will break. What package are you seeking from 16.04 that you are unable to find in 18.04?
[19:30] <octav1a> I accidentally overwrote my binary /usr/bin/ld , whats a good way to recover this?
[19:31] <Kangarooo> boot-repair @pragmaticenigma theres full text in my comment there in that link 1865529
[19:31] <Kangarooo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python/+bug/1865529
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> octav1a: sudo apt-get install --reinstall binutils
[19:33] <pragmaticenigma> octav1a: if that doesn't work... then you probably broke too much and you should consider reinstalling the system from scratch
[19:33] <Ben64> Kangarooo: PPAs aren't supported here, you can try contacting the maintainer and asking if they would make a release for a newer version
[19:34] <pragmaticenigma> Kangarooo: PPAs are not supported and that ticket is likely going to get closed without a response. If the developer has discontinued work it is probably for good reason and you should not continue to use that project.
[19:35] <octav1a> It looks like it regenerated it ; for some reason as the end of the install it says Error: timeout was reached, but w/e
[19:35] <octav1a> literally that was the only file I touched
[19:35] <pragmaticenigma> Kangarooo: Especially since that ended it support with the launch of Ubuntu 18.04, where that tools is very likely going to cause more harm than good, given that Ubuntu 18.04 has significant changes to how it approaches core functions.
[19:36] <pragmaticenigma> octav1a: awesome, glad that worked for you... now... remember not to traverse those directories under sudo :-)
[19:37] <Kangarooo> @pragmaticenigma, that was helping to fix installations. I think i have it broken cuz installed Windows UEFI and Ubuntu maybe from Easy 2 Boot wasnt uefi, so windows launches with windows launcher, but ubuntu from hard drive but doesnt have menu installed with detecting windows.
[19:38] <octav1a> yeah >.>;; I was trying to switch to try other linkers, I will look for safer ways...
[19:39] <Sohom_Datta> pragmaticenigma, Sure, thanks I downloaded the ros-desktop package, seems to work more or less okay so I'll stick with it :)
[19:42] <pragmaticenigma> Kangarooo: Overall it doesn't matter. It is an application that appears to have been abandoned by its creator, I would not recommend continuing to try and use it. Also, Ubutnu 18.04 and later releases have had established and stable integration with UEFI. There is no need for a 3rd party tool. If the installation doesn't work, users should come here for further assistance.
[19:55] <thelounge5173> I've got a headless ubuntu server runninng. ISP has gone out twice in the past week and both times the network will not recover on this machine. Has never been an issue before and restarting systemd-networkd does not solve the issue. Full reboot required. Anyone else encounter this?
[19:58] <sarnold> thelounge5173: strange. my network went down a few days ago and none of my machines had trouble coming back
[19:59] <texla> When I open Ubuntu 18.04.4 first thing during day I get an error message that the system has an error and do I want to send or cancel..using each command and I no lnger get the message  I have looked at var log but cannot find anything ?
[20:00] <thelounge5173> is there an 'as good' alternative to systemd-networkd? I remember using networkd in the past, I've used dhcpcd in arch. Any thoughts?
[20:00] <nickgaw> Hi, If I want to download the ubuntu installer after I have bzr installed and git cloned the debian-installer just to check out the installer without creating my own branch on launchpad what would I type?
[20:07] <pragmaticenigma> thelounge5173: I would recommend asking for assistance in #ubuntu-server ... and I don't think that is the right approach to solving your issue. It sounds like a small configuration change might be needed, no reason to rip out an entire module for a small issue like that.
[20:08] <thelounge5173> ah, didn't know there was a different channel. Will do, thanks!
[20:11] <pragmaticenigma> thelounge5173: One other thing comes to mind... rebooting the ISP modem might also prove beneficial
[20:14] <nickgaw> How does the setup.exe file make ubuntu install on your windows 10 pro 64 bit partition what linux hard drive image is it using?
[20:14] <sarnold> nickgaw: where'd you find a setup.exe?
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: There are no setup.exe files for ubuntu... If you are trying to install Ubuntu from the Windows Application store, support is in ##windows
[20:15] <nickgaw> There use to be an installer on earlier iso images that installed ubuntu on the same partition as windows did they get rid of that now so you now need two partitions?
[20:15] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: That is no longer supported
[20:16] <nickgaw> Just wondering what type of disk image did that earlier ubuntu use to allow this to work and why was it discontinued?
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: It was discontinued because it suffered from many stability issues, and you could not upgrade between Ubuntu versions. It installed it self to an FAT32/NTFS drive along side Windows and added itself to the Windows Boot Manager
[20:18] <nickgaw> If I do the dual boot method and later want to remove ubuntu and regrow the windows ntfs partition is this possible?
[20:18] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: Yes
[20:19] <nickgaw> I am not saying that ubuntu is bad I am totally blind and want to make sure if I have major accessibility issues with orca I can remove it and go back to a single boot windows 10 pro 64 bits system and regrow my ntfs partition and restore the windows boot manager?
[20:22] <nickgaw> Can I install ubuntu to a large USB flash drive for testing purposes or convert the live disc to an installation system on the USB flash drive?
[20:22] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: there is no way to guarantee the restoration of windows will be smooth. But you can remove the linux partition, and you may need to use the windows installation media to run a repair on windows to restore the Window boot manager. Restoring windows is something I'm not very familiar with. When I've done this in the past, I remove the Windows drive, and use a dedicated harddrive for Ubuntu.
[20:22] <TJ-> nickgaw: yes to both. Former is better but it is even possible to configure a live ISO USB to use a separate partition/file-system for 'persistence'
[20:23] <TJ-> nickgaw: if the system firmware is UEFI then Windows and Ubuntu will install alongside each other and not interfere. Those problems were caused with BIOS firmware when only one operating system could control the MBR boot sector
[20:24] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: you can create USB drive with persistence, and use that USB drive to later install if you desire. I'm not sure of the USB installer will capture your saved preferences from the persistence area.
[20:25] <nickgaw> How could I convert the live iso to storable like I had installed it on the drive I have debian on one laptop but want to make a drive with ubuntu on it that I can plug in and boot from and yes my systems support USB booting?
[20:27] <TJ-> nickgaw:  there's a good AskUbuntu answer for persistence at this link, the first main answer beginning "Syslinux type installers like..."  https://askubuntu.com/questions/1051543/how-to-make-a-live-ubuntu-18-04-usb-with-a-persistent-storage-of-more-than-4gb
[20:27] <nickgaw> That might help
[20:29] <nickgaw> Can you upgrade from the LTS release to the normal release?
[20:29] <TJ-> nickgaw: not sure how well a screen-reader will handle the text layout there... be interested in your results (I work/volunteer for a blind society in the UK so this stuff is high on my agenda)
[20:30] <TJ-> nickgaw:  yes, although usually its not such a good idea because the in-between releases only get 9 months support
[20:30] <nickgaw> If you are on the inbetween release can you stick with the next LTS release?
[20:32] <TJ-> nickgaw:  you can release-upgrade from e.g. 19.10 to 20.04 using do-release-upgrade tool
[20:34] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: You can switch from the "in-between" to an LTS release however, you can only do that when you are moving into an LTS release. It's easier to start with the LTS release and then upgrade to the next LTS release
[20:35] <nickgaw> Will the do-release-upgrade tool give me choices as to what release I want to upgrade to?
[20:36] <TJ-> nickgaw:  if the current install is an LTS it'll only want to upgrade to another LTS. If current is an 'in-between' it'll go to the next release
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: Should also note, that if you start with "in-between" unless you change a setting, it will always upgrade to the next available release. So when 20.10 is release, you machine would want to upgrade to that version.
[20:38] <nickgaw> How would I upgrade from LTS to inbetween?
[20:40] <TJ-> nickgaw:  there's a file that controls it with a setting, "/etc/update-manager/release-upgrades" which has "Prompt=lts" that would need to be "Prompt=normal"
[20:40] <notguest96> When 20.04 comes out and install will it delete the packages it installed? pragmaticenigma
[20:41] <pragmaticenigma> notguest96: I have no idea what you mean, you sentence does not make any sense
[20:41] <notguest96> Woops
[20:41] <texla> When I open Ubuntu 18.04.4 first thing during day I get an error message that the system has an error and do I want to send or cancel..using each command and I no longer get the message  I have looked at var log but cannot find anything ?
[20:42] <notguest96> What I meant is when the packages is done installing on my system, does it auto delete after that?
[20:42] <notguest96> I know for when I was getting my OS it deleted the files that it copied to install
[20:43] <mispp> hey people, does anyone have an idea for kernel boot option in ubuntu like "inst.vnc" in fedora?
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> notguest96: the behavior you're describing is not something I have encountered. What are you seeing that is getting deleted?
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> mispp: this channel only understand Ubuntu. You will have to translate what that parameter does for someone to make an approximation of something similar
[20:44] <EriC^> texla: it might be in /var/log/apport.log
[20:44] <notguest96> When you boot ubuntu from a USB the files are copied over and installed onto your installer and then after it's done it uninstall it or deletes it to save space pragmaticenigma
[20:44] <EriC^> texla: when it comes up there should also be a 'show details' button or so to give more info
[20:44] <EriC^> texla: also /var/crash might have some info
[20:45] <pragmaticenigma> notguest96: No... it doesn't do anything of the sort. the installer does not run from the target disk. It stays within the Live session of the booted disk
[20:47] <notguest96> I checked the installation process runner and it said it was deleting something so I was just curious pragmaticenigma
[20:47] <TJ-> mispp: no, the Ubuntu GUI installer doesn't have a remote ability like inst.vnc - generally we'd use the ubuntu-server TUI install medium that uses debian-installer, and then add the "ubuntu-desktop" package to pull in the GUI components
[20:47] <EriC^> notguest96: those stuff it deletes at the end are extra packages that you dont need sometimes, depending on your installation options etc, like lvm or other stuff
[20:48] <notguest96> Yea
[20:48] <notguest96> that's what i'm talking about
[20:48] <notguest96> Makes sense thanks
[20:48] <EriC^> no problem
[20:55] <texla> EriC^,   https://pastebin.com/ppLkU21T
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> texla: I'd recommend not using Wayland, and switch back to using X
[20:58] <texla> pragmaticenigma, I do use Wayland use gnome xorg
[20:59] <pragmaticenigma> texla: that made no sense
[21:00] <EriC^> texla: it seems the error is related to wayland trying to start
[21:01] <nickgaw> I read somewhere that ubuntu has paid support is this true?
[21:01] <mike_mouse> it's news to me
[21:01] <texla> pragmaticenigma, Slip of the finger should be do not use wayland'
[21:02] <pragmaticenigma> texla: presently... it would appear that you somehow switched yourself to the wayland instance
[21:02] <nickgaw> I might have been reading it wrong but does Canonical offer paid or ready to use ubuntu systems for sale?
[21:02] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: Canonical does not produce computers. They do offer an enterprise paid support solution
[21:03] <mike_mouse> nickdaw: are we talking about single user workstations or servers?
[21:03] <mike_mouse> there is support for server implementations and enterprise projects
[21:03] <pragmaticenigma> nickgaw: (cc: mike_mouse ) See https://ubuntu.com/pricing/infra for more information
[21:03] <nickgaw> I guess I was reading about their enterprise options and thought they were for end users what are those for like what do they provide?
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> mike_mouse: there is desktop as well
[21:04] <TJ-> nickgaw: There's the Ubuntu Advantage support programme
[21:04] <nickgaw> That is what I was reading then.
[21:04] <nickgaw> What advantage does that give you?
[21:05] <mike_mouse> pragmaticenigma: i didn't know they offered support for desktop
[21:05] <nickgaw> Can they remote into your system to fix issues?
[21:06] <mike_mouse> I honestly don't know comrade
[21:06] <mike_mouse> that said, letting someone ssh into your machine is not a good idea
[21:06] <nickgaw> true
[21:07] <nickgaw> Is it possible to install desktop then remove the gui if you don't want it anymore?
[21:07] <TJ-> nickgaw:  yes
[21:07] <mike_mouse> nickgaw: you mean remove the gui and install another? totally possible
[21:08] <nickgaw> no remove the gui and just leave command line support?
[21:08] <mike_mouse> nickgaw: also possible
[21:09] <nickgaw> How can I just checkout with bzr the ubuntu installer source without getting a branch on launchpad?
[21:09] <mike_mouse> i think innit 3 and innit 5 can shutdown the gui and restart it temporarily
[21:09] <TJ-> nickgaw:  you can also leave it in place but stop it being used with "systemctl mask display-manager.service"
[21:09] <texla> EriC^, Rebooted and the signin is assigned to Ubuntu
[21:10] <TJ-> nickgaw:  which ubuntu installer? ubiquity?
[21:11] <nickgaw> yes
[21:11] <EriC^> texla: is there  a settings button next to the login? it should have ubuntu on wayland and xorg i guess as an option
[21:11] <nickgaw> reading the wiki it wants you to create a launchpad branch first which I don't want to do.
[21:11] <EriC^> texla: oh you mean it's assigned to ubuntu, vs ubuntu on wayland
[21:12] <TJ-> nickgaw:  " git clone https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity "
[21:12] <EriC^> texla: currently are you able to login to the session or it crashes straight away?
[21:13] <texla> EriC^, the error sign appeared again the sign in button has cinnamon Ubuntu and WAYLAND AND IT SHOWS uBUNTU TO BE IN SIGN IN POSITION
[21:14] <EriC^> texla: aha so it logs in fine, however it gives the error message and continues normally?
[21:14] <EriC^> (all this after logging in, not at the login screen right?)
[21:14] <texla> EriC^ I can sign in to Ubuntu then the error appears and I can continue to use o/s after cancel
[21:15] <EriC^> texla: if you open a terminal and type "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" what does it say?
[21:16] <texla> EriC^ x11
[21:18] <EriC^> texla: i see, it appears that Xwayland isn't actually wayland, it's a fallback for apps that can't run properly on wayland yet, so it's supposed to be that if you're using a wayland session and an app needs x, it'll use xwayland, odd why it's being used even though wayland isn't selected
[21:23] <mispp> TJ: thanks! i was just searching for yes/no, so i dont waste time online looking through the lists
[21:27] <EriC^> texla: i've no idea why it's doing it, but have you upgraded the system fully? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[21:28] <EriC^> a newer kernel or so might fix it, who knows
[21:29] <texla> EriC^ Switched to cinammon and got the same error after opening hexchat  will upgrade then switched back to Ubuntu
[21:29] <EriC^> texla: if all else fails, if you want you can run "sudo -H xdiagnose" and remove the check next to "enable automatic crash bug reporting" so it doesnt pop up the message anymore
[21:29] <EriC^> alright
[21:38] <nickgaw> Hi, Now I have ubiquity downloaded from git where is the documentation for how to build it?
[21:38] <TJ-> nickgaw: ha, usually in the base directory :)
[21:38] <texla> EriC^ Ran update 25 items printed switched to Ubuntu it opened when I got to IRC canceled and its gone until I reboot I will leave as is its only one key stroke to eliminate
[21:39] <TJ-> nickgaw:  for debian-ised packages, presuming you've all the build-dependencies installed, it'd be "debian/rules binary" (which is calling a makefile to create the binary .deb packages)
[21:40] <TJ-> nickgaw:  you may need to check what the build-deps are with "cat debian/control" and looking at the list of packages needed to build it
[21:40] <nickgaw> No I mean how to build ubiquity and work with it along with the debian-installer?
[21:40] <nickgaw> No README files or documentation files exist.
[21:44] <EriC^> texla: alright
[21:45] <EriC^> texla: it might actually work after rebooting, if a new kernel got installed it'll be used on the next reboot
[21:50] <texla> EriC^ Thanks for the help will see what happens on next new kernel
[21:52] <Nyle> I need a music synthesizer keyboard app for linux
[21:53] <Nyle> Anyone know anything, I been looking but no luck. I need something with a visual keyboard display, 3 octaves at least
[21:53] <Nyle> Goal is to have this be programmed and play in back while I record guitar through interface
[21:54] <Nyle> Something I can import my hydrogen drum machine tracks, and lay multi tracking on it, one synth, one bas, one guitar etc. etc.
[21:55] <Devrim> If a (bug)fix from launchpad is marked as released, how long should it take for the fix to pop up for the end user?
[21:56] <Nyle> hydrogen to make drum tracks, load in audacity, got effects and all vst stuff
[21:57] <Nyle> I need to load a synth track in audacity. I need a synthesizer app :D
[21:57] <Nyle> If anyone makes music on linux, msg me too thanks
[22:02] <tomreyn> Devrim: not too long, a few days at most. that's if it was released to the release you're looking at.
[22:04] <Devrim> tomreyn I just checked and the mirror I'm using was last updated saturday so I guess that's why the fix isn't available yet :)
[22:04] <tomreyn> Devrim: which bug are you looking at, which ubuntu release are you running?
[22:05] <Devrim> tomreyn TLS 1.3 has been added for ubuntu bionic
[22:05] <tomreyn> a good while ago, yes
[22:05] <Devrim> I was waiting a while for it and it was released a few hours ago :)
[22:05] <tomreyn> are you referring to libssl?
[22:05] <Devrim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1845263
[22:06] <tomreyn> ah so you're referring to mod_ssl
[22:06] <Devrim> Bionic got it later
[22:06] <Devrim> ah yeah I forgot -> for apache2
[22:09] <tomreyn> Devrim: actually 2.4.29-1ubuntu4.12 is in bionic-updates
[22:10] <Devrim> tomreyn yeah it is but I'm using a secondary mirror (it was like that by default) and the mirror hasn't synced updates since saturday
[22:10] <Devrim> I guess it will sync today/tomorrow
[22:12] <tomreyn> Devrim: right, mirrors can be behind a little. you can check on the mirror page
[22:13] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors << find yours and click on it, then look for "The Bionic Beaver"
[22:14] <Devrim> "One week behind"
[22:14] <tomreyn> hmm you might want a better mirror then. it's not really a problem though as long as you use security.ubuntu.com for security updates
[22:16] <Devrim> yeah security.ubuntu.com is enabled for security updates
[22:16] <Devrim> I might do a quick switch to a different mirror
[22:20] <Devrim> tomreyn I'm up to date now :)
[22:21] <tomreyn> congrats :)
[22:39] <jrgilman> hey there, was hoping to get some help getting L2TP over IPSec set-up on 19.10, I've tried a few things and gotten somewhere with it but in the end I'm still unable to connect other than inside of a Windows 10 machine
[22:40] <jrgilman> https://kopy.io/uOTS2 is where i'm currently at
[22:40] <jrgilman> This is the syslog
[22:42] <jrgilman> I've set everything except for the NT Domain and Gateway ID in the VPN set-up
[22:43] <jrgilman> Gateway, User, Password, PSK, Phase I and II algos are all set
[22:43] <jrgilman> Phase I is set to 3des-sha1-modp1024! and Phase II is 3des-sha1!
[22:49] <tomreyn> outdated crypto FTW!
[22:53] <jrgilman> yeah well
[22:53] <jrgilman> it is how it is i guess
[22:54] <jrgilman> Is there any way to proceed or am I SOL
[22:54] <jrgilman> and by SOL I mean I have to run windows native in some fashion
[22:55] <tomreyn> i'm sure it can be made to work, it's just that everyone hates debugging LT2P VPNs - for reasons.
[22:56] <jrgilman> does it just take forever
[22:56] <tomreyn> and you need to compare both ends' logs.
[22:56] <jrgilman> aw fuck
[22:57] <jrgilman> so basically my best bet is either dual boot, or get a second windows laptop
[22:59] <tomreyn> your best bet is to get all linux systems and, unrelated to that, use wireguard.
[23:00] <tomreyn> or spend the time it takes to analyze the LT2P issues, by comparing both ends' logs, maybe dump some traffic.
[23:00] <sarnold> Mar  1 23:05:19 jacob-ThinkPad-P52s NetworkManager[1059]: Starting strongSwan 5.7.2 IPsec [starter]...
[23:00] <sarnold> not that line silly firefox
[23:00] <sarnold> Mar  1 23:05:19 jacob-ThinkPad-P52s NetworkManager[1059]: Starting strongSwan 5.7.2 IPsec [starter]...
[23:00] <sarnold> FFS FIREFOX
[23:01] <tomreyn> :)
[23:01] <sarnold> look at the lie that says "can't bind to port 1701"
[23:01] <sarnold> I've seen this pastebin for four seconds and hate it already :)
[23:01] <jrgilman> sarnold: I saw that line, I killed the xl2tp or whatever process
[23:01] <jrgilman> and that didn't do anything
[23:02] <sarnold> by the end of the log it does look like packets are going back and forth
[23:02] <sarnold> does ip route show you what you expect to see?
[23:03] <jrgilman> I'm not sure what you mean by that, but the VPN deactivates
[23:03] <jrgilman> before I can do anything
[23:03] <sarnold> oh :(
[23:04] <jrgilman> :(
[23:04] <jrgilman> yep
[23:04] <jrgilman> basically just fails extremely fast
[23:08] <tomreyn> if i interpret it correctly, 192.168.1.190 receives one packet from 206.196.153.162, and that's a DELETE request. which it carries out, it tears down the connection.
[23:09] <jrgilman> 206 is their VPN server
[23:09] <jrgilman> maybe a dumb/harder question
[23:10] <jrgilman> but if the VPN works on my windows 10 vm
[23:10] <jrgilman> is it possible to bridge the windows 10 vm's network to my host machine so my host machine can go through the guest and into their network
[23:10] <sarnold> heh, this is the part where "logs on both ends" would be nice
[23:10] <sarnold> *why* did it send that DELETE request?
[23:11] <jrgilman> would logs from Windows 10 connecting to the VPN be useful at all?
[23:13] <tomreyn> i have no idea what those wouldlook like. maybe hits is more of a topic for ##networking, too
[23:13] <jrgilman> heh I asked the question there at the same time
[23:13] <tomreyn> and i guess they, too, would need both logs
[23:14] <jrgilman> well in the interest of getting this work done in the short term
[23:14] <jrgilman> I'll find a spare laptop to nuke and put satan on
[23:30] <jrgilman> weird, ike-scan claims that Encryption is 3DES, but Windows says I'm using AES 256
[23:32] <jeremy31> jrgilman: if that is wifi, your router might be set to WPA/WEP/WPA2 with CCMP and TKIP
[23:33] <jrgilman> it's ethernet, but there is a separate adapter in windows for the VPN
[23:33] <jrgilman> so that's where i'm getting that from
[23:33] <jrgilman> shrug
[23:36] <tomreyn> jrgilman: i read up a little on the error message and two sites i ran into state the situation your log shows (received DELETE for the active IKE_SA during connection setup) indicates that the site initiating the teardown (your remote server in this case, if i get it right) doesn't think the RSA certificate chain it is presented with is valid (missing CA certificate, error in the certificate chain, identity mismatch or something similar).
[23:37] <sarnold> \o/
[23:37] <tomreyn> that's https://wiki.strongswan.org/issues/1058 and (german language) https://wiki.securepoint.de/UTM/VPN/IPSec-Troubleshooting
[23:38] <jrgilman> wow
[23:38] <jrgilman> reading now
[23:39] <jrgilman> http://server1.brightcorp.us/
[23:39] <jrgilman> seems like their https is borked
[23:39] <sarnold> the german site has an ffi ligature, which makes the word "traffic" look ridiculous
[23:39] <jrgilman> woops
[23:39] <jrgilman> http in that url but if you go to https
[23:40] <jrgilman> seems to have a bad time
[23:40] <jrgilman> i don't get why companies run such whacky bullshit
[23:40] <jrgilman> sigh, next thing I'll sell them on is managed services maybe
[23:41] <sarnold> IIS 7 splash page.. this webpage suggests there's an IIS 10 https://blogs.iis.net/iisteam/introducing-iis-cors-1-0
[23:41] <sarnold> I'm even surprised to hear IIS is still a thing. who knew? :)
[23:44] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnInstalling/InternetInformationServer
[23:46] <jrgilman> lol well I guess it doesn't even matter, ooc I tried to do the same action on my windows desktop
[23:46] <jrgilman> and ssms immediately locked up
[23:46] <jrgilman> that's what I get for taking on SAP projects i guess
[23:46] <sarnold> tomreyn: oh. my.
[23:46] <sarnold> jrgilman: oof :)
[23:46] <jrgilman> yeah
[23:46] <jrgilman> there's over 6000 tables in this database
[23:46] <jrgilman> and several thousand views
[23:47] <jrgilman> not a single foreign key to be found
[23:49] <jrgilman> maybe this is an SSMS problem
[23:49] <sarnold> ralph "i'm in trouble".png