[00:01] <Psi-Jack> Guess I still ask the most advanced questions nobody can answer. :)
[00:02] <TJ-> BenLubar: seems like all updates to ddebs stopped on 24th Feb /join #canonical-sysadmin
[01:09] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm, this is frustratingly silly. Why when I search for a package, like devilspie, in the Software Store app, it finds nothing, but apt search devilspie, it finds both devilspie and devilspie2?
[01:13] <donofrio> is the store part of a payola system? and apt is free?
[01:17] <leftyfb> donofrio: no
[01:18] <leftyfb> Psi-Jack: some commandline tools don't show up in the software store
[01:18] <Psi-Jack> Apparently.
[01:18] <Psi-Jack> But... Why?
[01:19] <pragmaticenigma> Psi-Jack, A question better suited for #ubuntu-discuss
[02:20] <azizLIGHT> how do i secure erase a sd card? im reading that dd with zeros is not enough
[02:20] <sarnold> hey azizLIGHT :)
[02:20] <azizLIGHT> hello
[02:21] <sarnold> azizLIGHT: use /dev/urandom -- and be aware that there's a possibilty previously written blocks were remapped somewhere along the way, and there might not be a way to easily wipe the whole thing
[02:22] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, If you plan to use the card aftwards... zero it out should be enough. soon as you start using the card for normal stuff, the residual because harder to find
[02:23] <pragmaticenigma> azizLIGHT, if this is for disposal... urandom for a couple passes is probably sufficient
[02:24] <azizLIGHT> okay thank you
[02:42] <Rockwood> o/
[02:43] <PoPpiLLs> poppills
[02:47] <Rockwood> PoPpiLLs, Cannot establish FTP connection to an SFTP server. Please select proper protocol. i am facing this issue at time connection of sftp
[02:49] <Rockwood> lol
[02:49] <Rockwood> thanks issue solved
[02:57] <Betal> what the right directory to a package's systemd service and one .sh it executes?
[02:58] <Rockwood> Betal, problem solved
[02:58] <Rockwood> thanks
[02:59] <Betal> Rockwood: what?
[02:59] <Rockwood> no
[02:59] <Rockwood> sorry
[03:00] <Rockwood> join #nginx
[03:20] <parrotlover> hi, I am having an issue with git, which is not related directly to git
[03:20] <parrotlover> I am on Ubuntu Server 18.04.4, fresh install.
[03:20] <parrotlover> is there any known issues with git?
[03:20] <parrotlover> in the 18.04 repos i mean
[03:21] <sarnold> it's git; it's not terribly friendly at the best of times..
[03:22] <parrotlover> Yeah, but this is LTS it should have stable versions
[03:22] <parrotlover> I am pretty sure the issue is with one of it's depends which I installing using apt build-dep
[03:23] <parrotlover> like cloning a new repo with only a few dozen commits and less than 30mb source total, allocated 200gb of RAM
[03:23] <parrotlover> which... I actually have available, but it OOM still
[03:23] <parrotlover> I have 1.5tb RAM, but it says OOM error for 203ish gb ram
[03:24] <parrotlover> This is ridiculous, and I have confirmed the server works with other distros
[03:24] <sarnold> parrotlover: you may find this useful, or at least interesting https://github.blog/2018-03-05-measuring-the-many-sizes-of-a-git-repository/
[03:25] <parrotlover> Yeah but I know the repo was init'd yesterday
[03:26] <parrotlover> also, 1.5tb RAM, yet OOM due to 203gb, which is an insane amount
[03:26] <parrotlover> if git was supposed to take that much RAM no one would use it but rich people with ridiculous hardware
[03:28] <sarnold> yeah, that feels surprising; but there's lots of ways to hit OOM, including the kernel being unable to find large enough contiguous memory when needed; if every-other-physical-page of memory were allocated, you'd be using only half the ram but would oom *really* quickly
[03:28] <sarnold> were you able to capture the reason why it oomed?
[03:28] <Rockwood> sarnold, o/
[03:28] <sarnold> evening Rockwood :)
[03:28] <Rockwood> h r u?
[03:29] <parrotlover> I don't see how I could not have 200gb of contiguous memory
[03:29] <Rockwood> 'ls' not showing folder in ubuntu? sarnold
[03:30] <sarnold> pretty good, finally getting around to starting some new work :)
[03:30] <parrotlover> new work?
[03:30] <parrotlover> I'm going to run memtest
[03:31] <parrotlover> This should take about 3 weeks
[03:31] <sarnold> parrotlover: yeah, I do a large amount of source code reviews; I'd been working on the previous one (libheif) for like a month, a little bit here and there, and finally finished it up; and today, starting in on gamemode
[03:31] <sarnold> lol
[03:31] <sarnold> yeah, have fun with that one..
[03:31] <parrotlover> lol yeah
[03:31] <parrotlover> I can't believe this crap
[03:32] <Rockwood> sarnold, in what language?
[03:32] <sarnold> Rockwood: this is mostly C
[03:32] <parrotlover> I do game development too
[03:32] <parrotlover> what kind of game you making?
[03:32] <parrotlover> okay, yep memory error
[03:32] <Rockwood> me too working on small game
[03:32] <parrotlover> nice
[03:32] <parrotlover> I am doing mine in python
[03:33] <sarnold> parrotlover: wait did you trip over something in memtest *already*??
[03:33] <Rockwood> i am working 2g based
[03:33] <parrotlover> sarnold, yes
[03:33] <Rockwood> 2d
[03:33] <parrotlover> I got an error already. so much for ECC RAM
[03:33] <parrotlover> I am doing a text based game
[03:33] <Rockwood> mmorpg
[03:33] <sarnold> parrotlover: cripes
[03:33] <Rockwood> parrotlover, me too
[03:33] <parrotlover> nice
[03:33] <sarnold> parrotlover: bad powersupply? not correctly seated memory? how the heck did it boot to the point you could install git?
[03:34] <parrotlover> I dunno sarnold
[03:34] <parrotlover> I hit the memory error at like 35gb so must be in the first dimm
[03:34] <parrotlover> they are 64 gb dimms
[03:34] <parrotlover> fml
[03:35] <sarnold> bloody expensive thing to replace
[03:35] <parrotlover> yeah
[03:35] <parrotlover> I mean, it's not like I'm replacing my GPUs
[03:42] <parrotlover> whelp, I can't do anything with this computer
[03:42] <parrotlover> I'll steal another server from work tomorrow to replace it
[03:47] <sarnold> can you yank two or four dimms from the thing and be up for the night?
[05:00] <parrotlover> sarnold, I am testing it with one dimm at a time
[05:00] <parrotlover> I am using google stress test tool but I took out my GPUs and one of the CPUs
[05:01] <parrotlover> I am not sure if it's CPU or RAM
[05:01] <parrotlover> either one is bad
[06:39] <hackinghorn> hi
[06:40] <hackinghorn> I see ubuntu versions used all of the alphabet
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> !codenames | hackinghorn
[06:41] <hackinghorn> are there reasons to upgrade to non-LTS versions? they are quite short-lived
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> hackinghorn: its the users choice, to choose for LTS or non-LTS and having always latest
[06:44] <hackinghorn> yeahh, that's understandable
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> hackinghorn: some non-lts releases also have features some of our users want/need so its the personal choice
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> or kernel versions that will support their newer hardware
[06:46] <hackinghorn> ah that's right
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> but that can also be fixxed on lts with !HWE
[06:46] <hackinghorn> nicee
[06:46] <hackinghorn> !hwe
[08:00] <toffe> Hi, trying to install wine64 and it gives me an error installing libc6_2.30-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb
[08:00] <toffe> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.30-0ubuntu2.1_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to install new version of '/lib/ld-linux.so.2': No such file or directory
[08:00] <toffe> Any tip on what it might be?
[08:31] <toffe> I've tried it all now
[08:31] <toffe> purge, autoremove, --force-overwrite
[08:31] <toffe> nothing lets me do any apt install again
[08:41] <toffe> http://paste.debian.net/1133684/
[08:50] <k_sze> So I've applied this solution a few days ago, to fix my laptop not suspending when booted to Ubuntu.
[08:50] <k_sze> My laptop still won't suspend.
[08:51] <k_sze> https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[08:51] <k_sze> Sometimes, when I leave my laptop alone for a long time, the screen turns on by itself and I see the lock screen with a notification about power.
[08:52] <k_sze> But I can't actually get to the content of the notification. If I unlock from the lock screen, I don't see the notification item in the notification area.
[09:00] <k_sze> my /proc/cmdline looks like this now: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-5.3.0-40-generic root=/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2018" quiet splash vt.handoff=1
[09:00] <k_sze> "Windows 2018" is listed in the output of `strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i 'windows ' | sort`
[09:04] <k_sze> This is Ubuntu Desktop 18.04 64-bit with all of the latest patches.
[09:04] <k_sze> and HWE
[09:07] <ducasse> k_sze: some machines just won't suspend/resume properly, blame poorly written firmware that relies on windows drivers
[09:09] <k_sze> I'm gonna try fwts
[09:09] <ducasse> make sure you have the latest bios
[09:09] <tpaper> Hi all, in manual partition, how can I create the EFI partition? I see nothing related to this in "Use as:" menu
[09:10] <k_sze> ducasse, I have the lates.
[09:13] <stdedos> Hello there! Ubuntu Xenial: notify-send by me via terminal sometimes chokes on showing notifications. I feel that this happens for all applications (e.g. evolution); however e.g. volume up/down renders normally. Apart from `apt-get install --reinstall` (which solves the issue temporarily), what are my debugging options? I cannot find the service to
[09:13] <stdedos> run `systemctl status` (`systemctl status | grep notify` shows only processes)
[09:20] <qzio> Hello! I wonder if there's a better xorg video driver for raspberry pi 4 (64bit arm) than xserver-xorg-video-fbdev)
[09:21] <ducasse> qzio: try #ubuntu-arm
[09:21] <qzio> ducasse: thanks!
[09:53] <bigfoot-> Hi.  Since upgrading to 20.04 focal, KDE's ALT-F2 "run command" global shortcut doesn't work anymore; is this a known issue? (Others, like ctrl-alt-T starting a terminal, still work fine.)
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> bigfoot-: #ubuntu+1 for 20.04 support plz
[09:54] <bigfoot-> ok, thanks.
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> that said, maybe RikMills know if things changed recently? ^
[09:58] <bigfoot-> It's still in the settings and looks like it "should work"
[10:48] <steveire> I'm having trouble navigating the information about drive/directory encryption options on ubuntu 19.10
[10:48] <steveire> It seems that ecrypt was used until recently, but it's now deprecated?
[10:48] <steveire> And I'm not sure whether fscrypt is the now-recommended thing to use.
[10:49] <steveire> Is there any up to date information out there? Or will the situation change for 20.04?
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> steveire: one of the volunteers recently renewed the wiki: can this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[10:50] <steveire> lotuspsychje: That seems to be a more-complex alternative to fscript AFAICT
[10:51] <steveire> Using LUKS/LVM, and requires the user to win a race-condition during installation
[10:53] <steveire> Also, "more recent Ubuntu releases default to version 2 ("luks2"). GRUB only supports version 1" -- not very confidence inspiring to have those caveats in the guide.
[10:54] <mgedmin> ecryptfs still works on 19.10
[10:54] <mgedmin> IIRC it's not an option in the installer, but you can set it up later
[10:54] <RougeRR> eyy
[10:54] <RougeRR> SASL works
[10:54] <RougeRR> heya guys
[10:54] <RougeRR> i was wondering if i could get some help with chromium/chrome
[10:55] <RougeRR> anything thats based on that engine is locking up my pc
[10:55] <RougeRR> i have looked into it a fair bit, seems its to do with gpu rendering
[10:55] <RougeRR> but i cant seem to get it working right still
[10:56] <RougeRR> for example
[10:56] <RougeRR> i have 12 chroium tabs and my brackets editor open. then i suddenly get a huge 100% cpu spike
[10:58] <mouses> RougeRR: GPU drivers install properly and checking out just fine?
[10:59] <mgedmin> is the CPU usage in user or system?
[10:59] <mouses> ^^ also a very good question
[10:59] <mgedmin> is anything else happening at the time (e.g. massive swapin/swapout)?
[10:59] <RougeRR> mgedmin, im just checking it from the monitor applet
[10:59] <mgedmin> can you run vmstat 1 in a terminal?
[10:59] <RougeRR> its using high ram
[10:59] <RougeRR> hang on will get these for you n dpaste
[10:59] <steveire> mgedmin: It was removed from main because it's buggy and undermaintained. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/1756840  - again, not confidence inspiring.
[11:00] <mgedmin> yeah, ouch
[11:00] <RougeRR> mouses,
[11:00] <RougeRR> lshw
[11:00] <RougeRR> https://dpaste.org/wgbo
[11:03] <mouses> RougeRR: On board video, you're going to see CPU and memory use from the main system when using that to render
[11:03] <mouses> sounds totally normal to me
[11:03] <RougeRR> mouses, its really locking up though
[11:03] <RougeRR> i know there will be some slow down
[11:04] <mouses> RougeRR: How much total RAM does the system have?  Swap enabled and configured?  Are you hitting memory cap?
[11:04] <RougeRR> its also having issues with video playing
[11:04] <steveire> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fscrypt/+bug/1768340 seems to show that fscrypt might also be buggy, but possibly usable.
[11:04] <RougeRR> will really lag with one youtube video at 720p
[11:04] <RougeRR> let me trey that
[11:04] <RougeRR> im piping vmstat into a log file
[11:04] <pizzaburger> Hi! I'm trying to add a printer on Ubuntu 19.10. Using the built in printer menu adds the device but it doesn't print. Installed 'hplip hplip-gui' but it gets stuck on "driver plug-in" window. Any other methods to be able to use my printer? thanks!
[11:05] <mouses> RougeRR: What kind of CPU?  How much RAM?  720p @ 60fps or 30?
[11:05] <RougeRR> 720p 30fps
[11:05] <RougeRR> i7 5600u, 8GB ram
[11:05] <RougeRR> its a thinkpad z250
[11:05] <RougeRR> x250
[11:05] <mouses> that should be PLENTY
[11:05] <RougeRR> i agree yeah
[11:05] <RougeRR> like i know its not THAT beefy
[11:05] <RougeRR> but it shouldnt struggle this much
[11:05] <mouses> hmmmm, that is weird behavior for sure.  Perhaps you overrode a dev flag in chrome and disabled hardware rendering?
[11:05] <RougeRR> mouses, yeah that is the sort of thing im expecting to be
[11:06] <RougeRR> i had this issue since install
[11:06] <mouses> RougeRR: nah not at all, my chromebook running a ubuntu fork is like 1.6 dual core celery with 2gb of RAM and handles 720@30FPS with no issues
[11:06] <RougeRR> swapped from chrome to chromium
[11:06] <mouses> RougeRR: got a live boot media handy?  can you reproduce the issue in a live session?
[11:06] <mgedmin> I had a thinkpad x220 with 8 GB of RAM and tried disabling the swap partition for a while -> this led to chrome eating up all my RAM and making the entire OS freeze after a few hours
[11:07] <mgedmin> do you have a swap partition (or file)?
[11:07] <RougeRR> mouses, so in chromium im hitting 90% cpu with 1 video at 1080p/60
[11:07] <mouses> RougeRR: sounds to me like it's software rendering
[11:07] <RougeRR> it is better in chromium than chrome
[11:07] <mouses> RougeRR: Reset all chrome(ium) options to default?
[11:08] <RougeRR> mouses, guna look
[11:08] <RougeRR> also
[11:08] <RougeRR> here is vmstat
[11:08] <RougeRR> https://dpaste.org/3FBi
[11:08] <RougeRR> hard to read :/
[11:09] <pizzaburger> hp-setup gets stuck on "Checking for network connection...  Downloading plug-in from: "
[11:10] <RougeRR> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/08/how-to-enable-hardware-accelerated.html
[11:10] <mgedmin> vmstat shows 80% user 9% system 10% idle in the middle of that log
[11:10] <mgedmin> no swapping, but a swap partition exists; almost no disk i/o
[11:10] <RougeRR> mgedmin, yeah i expect thats when i started the video playing
[11:10] <RougeRR> im just checking this article
[11:11] <mgedmin> intel graphics
[11:11] <RougeRR> hnmmmm
[11:11] <RougeRR> https://dpaste.org/ssqR
[11:11] <RougeRR> looks like using software
[11:12] <RougeRR> i feel like ive tried with n without n had same issues
[11:12] <mgedmin> is i965-va-driver installed?  (I think it should be installed automatically)
[11:12] <RougeRR> configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
[11:12] <RougeRR> yeah
[11:13] <RougeRR> "The patch to add VA-API support to Chromium on Linux, titled "Enable VAVDA, VAVEA and VAJDA on linux with VAAPI only" was was initially submitted to Chromium more than a year ago, but it has yet to be merged."
[11:13] <RougeRR> should i be having to add this?
[11:13] <mouses> What's odd to me - you're getting the same behavior in Chrome, which by default does a very nice job using hardware acceleration if available
[11:14] <RougeRR> Edit (Dec 20, 2019): Te Chromium Beta PPA has builds behind the Ubuntu version of Chromium (the Ubuntu version is newer), so adding this PPA right now and installing Chromium won't install the PPA version, but the Ubuntu version. For now, use the Development PPA.
[11:14] <RougeRR> ive just reset chromium all flags
[11:14] <mgedmin> on my machine chrome://gpu/ says Accelerated video decode is unavailable on Linux and links to: crbug.com/137247
[11:14] <RougeRR> same issue
[11:14] <RougeRR> what version chromium
[11:14] <RougeRR> ill check mine
[11:14] <mgedmin> whatever's in the default chromium snap channel
[11:15] <RougeRR> 80.0.3987.87
[11:15] <RougeRR> is mine
[11:15] <mgedmin> 80.0.3987.122
[11:15] <RougeRR> slightly newer minor version
[11:15] <mgedmin> (you should upgrade, there's an exploitable bug in all versions before the 122 build)
[11:15] <RougeRR> ill try it
[11:16] <mgedmin> anyway my _current_ laptop is an x390 thinkpad with newer intel video, and I've never played serious videos (cat gifs don't count right) in the browser itself, so I dunno what the cpu usage would be
[11:16] <RougeRR> mgedmin, ah do you put them through to VLC?
[11:16] <mgedmin> I tend to run mpv https://... to play videos
[11:16] <RougeRR> or similar
[11:16] <RougeRR> yeah
[11:16] <RougeRR> im using this for dev work mostly
[11:20] <RougeRR> trying install with snap
[11:20] <RougeRR> mgedmin, how you finding x390?
[11:20] <RougeRR> other than the soldered ram, it looks pretty awesome
[11:25] <RougeRR> ugh
[11:25] <RougeRR> so upgraded
[11:25] <RougeRR> still high cpu
[11:25] <RougeRR> investigating further
[11:25] <RougeRR> 80.0.3987.132
[11:25] <RougeRR> mgedmin, any chance you could dpaste you chrome://gpu ?
[11:28] <mgedmin> RougeRR: https://dpaste.org/EyON
[11:28] <mgedmin> I like the x390 a lot; everything works except for the fingerprint reader
[11:29] <mgedmin> I'm not entirely happy with the keyboard layout changes, but it's not _too_ bad, and possible to get used to
[11:29] <mgedmin> and I think we'd better continue this thread in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:29] <mgedmin> btw I lied when I said I don't play videos in chrome
[11:30] <mgedmin> I'm playing 1080p youtube videos (from handmadehero.org) at 2x speed and not noticing excessive cpu usage
[11:30] <mgedmin> same situation with my older x220, except the videos then were 720p (smaller screen)
[11:33] <mgedmin> the browser I use is ubuntu-packaged chromium, which in 19.10 is a thin empty .deb package that snap installs chromium
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:58] <RougeRR> mgedmin, sorry mate. phone rang
[11:59] <RougeRR> meggie, oh i want aware of new layout changes vs x250 era
[11:59] <RougeRR> im on 18.04
[12:20] <mouses> RougeRR: In that paste, I see hardware accel disabled.  Is this Chromium or Chrome?  If chromium, is there a flag you need to set?  Does this work in chrome?
[13:13] <Rockwood> i wanna change root to user for my project folder
[13:13] <RougeR> mouses,
[13:13] <RougeR> ive tried everything in chromium
[13:14] <RougeR> its allowing it to be enabled but wont work
[13:14] <RougeR> i think its libva driver
[13:14] <RougeR> https://dpaste.org/8DjP
[13:16] <RougeR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1813131
[13:27] <RougeRR> okay im stuck
[13:27] <RougeRR> how do i fix this>
[13:27] <RougeRR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1813131
[13:27] <RougeRR> its the exact bug im having
[13:27] <oerheks> RougeRR, on chromium snap or apt version?
[13:28] <RougeRR> its not chromium thats the issues
[13:28] <RougeRR> its the intel driver
[13:28] <RougeRR> i want to implement the fix here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1813131
[13:29] <RougeRR> https://dpaste.org/J2A3
[13:29] <RougeRR> same bug
[13:35] <oerheks> your VA-API version 1.1.0 vs 1.3.0 bugreport
[13:38] <oerheks> driver i965-va-driver 2.2.0-0ubuntu1 does not match bionic, and current the driver is at 2.3.0 ...
[13:38] <RougeRR> yes
[13:38] <oerheks> i assume you are on bionic 18.04.4?
[13:39] <RougeRR> Description:	Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[13:42] <oerheks> my best guess: file a fresh bugreport, point to this 19.04 EOL version
[13:44] <RougeRR> should i not just compile this from source?
[13:44] <RougeRR> this is a standard LTS
[13:44] <RougeRR> shouldnt really be having to do this i would have thought?
[13:50] <RougeRR> hello
[13:50] <RougeRR> so just curious
[13:51] <RougeRR> why is the default package such an out of date one?
[13:51] <RougeRR> i dont recall changing it
[13:52] <oerheks> LTS gives stable packages, not the latest.
[13:52] <oerheks> upgrade to Focal 19.109 if you want more up2date versions
[13:53] <jink> When's the next LTS due?
[13:53] <RougeRR> but surely an issue with vaapi is a pretty big deal for intel
[13:53] <RougeRR> no?
[13:53] <RougeRR> especially one that has been reported
[13:54] <oerheks> jink 20.04
[13:54] <oerheks> 6 weeks +-
[13:54] <jink> oerheks: Current 20.04 is development?  do-release-upgrade -c -d tells me 20.04 is out. :D
[13:54] <oerheks> RougeRR, you pointed to an ancient 19.04 bugreport, you have different driver versions too.,.
[13:55] <RougeRR> oerheks,
[13:55] <RougeRR> its the same issue
[13:55] <oerheks> jink -d development is out, yes, but not stable release.
[13:55] <jink> oerheks: Thanks. ;)
[13:55] <RougeRR> https://dpaste.org/J2A3
[13:56] <oerheks> RougeRR, then file a proper bugreport, else nothing happens..
[13:56] <RougeRR> https://github.com/intel/intel-vaapi-driver/issues/419
[13:57] <RougeRR> there are bugreports it seems
[14:05] <RougeRR> so what needs to happen is the updated vaapi driver needs to be added as a package in ubuntu sources?
[14:05] <RougeRR> there are dozens of bug reports on this
[14:05] <ecov> Anyone know how the heck to stop virtual ox from starting on boot?
[14:05] <Acheron> its always good practice to keep an eye on the bug reports and update them
[14:05] <oerheks> i find just 1 bugreport, 1813131 .. and invalid with your driver version
[14:06] <oerheks> btw, do you have HWE enabled?
[14:06] <oerheks> !hwe
[14:06] <Acheron> if nothing is happening, just query "any progress on this?"
[14:07] <oerheks> Acheron,  ia asked him to file a fresh bugreport, pointin g to this one..
[14:08] <Acheron> yes. complaining in a chat room never got anything done
[14:08] <RougeRR> yeah let me create an account....
[14:17] <oerheks> echo "snap" >> ~/.hidden
[14:19] <ecov> can anyone give me some direction as to how to stop virtualbox from autostarting on boot? Kubuntu 19.10...
[14:19] <ecov> rebooted, and stil have /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxSVC --auto-shutdown and /usr/lib/virtualbox/vboxwebsrv running on boot
[14:20] <oerheks> sudo systemctl disable vboxweb-service
[14:20] <oerheks> sudo systemctl enable vboxweb-service  # to make it autostart again
[14:21] <ecov> systemctl status vboxweb-service show it cant be found
[14:22] <ecov> Failed to disable unit: Unit file vboxweb-service.service does not exist.
[14:22] <oerheks> sudo systemctl disable vboxwebsrv.service .. i am looking for the right name of the service
[14:23] <oerheks> ( not having vbox installed here)
[14:24] <oerheks>  service --status-all command will list all services on your Ubuntu
[14:24] <ecov> very weird
[14:24] <ecov> im looking at the list of services via "systemctl"
[14:24] <ecov> and it shows
[14:24] <ecov> vboxweb.service                                                                                            loaded active     running   VirtualBox Web Service
[14:25] <oerheks> there you ho
[14:25] <oerheks> * go
[14:25] <ecov> time to reboot and see if it works :)
[14:28] <ecov> I made that way harder than it needed to be :)
[14:29] <ecov> thanks oerheks
[14:30] <oerheks> ecov, have fun!
[14:31] <konrados> Hello. I have a bit philosophical question, I often see that ppl, when defining their functions, pay attention to the number of possible args, and do things like e.g. this: `function g () { grep --color=always "$1" "$2" | grep -v .svn; }` - but... isn't it easier to just do `function g () { grep --color=always "$@" | grep -v .svn; }` and stop worrying about what `grep` might expect?
[14:31] <konrados> i.e. just put $@, and done?
[14:31] <konrados> what can go wrong?
[14:39] <RougeRR> oerheks,
[14:39] <RougeRR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1813131
[14:39] <RougeRR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/intel-vaapi-driver/+bug/1866356
[14:41] <oerheks> oh, see, hardware acceleration not working in chromium .. install the snap package?
[14:43] <oerheks> sudo snap install --channel=candidate/vaapi chromium
[14:44] <oerheks> next time, if i ask about chromum, don; t answer with: <RougeRR> its not chromium thats the issues
[14:44] <oerheks> :-(
[14:44] <RougeRR> oh ive got the very latest dev release
[14:44] <RougeRR> i read that the snap backage no longer has support
[14:45] <RougeRR> it did for a while
[14:45] <RougeRR> https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/01/ubuntu-testing-chromium-snap-with-vaapi.html
[14:46] <RougeRR> might be here
[14:46] <RougeRR> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1816497
[14:47] <RougeRR> but yeah, im pretty sure i tried using snap/vaapi
[14:56] <devid> hi guys, i am currently running manjaro, but i am experiencing poor sound quality and cant get to fix it. will switching to ubuntu give me better sound quality ? maybe in ubuntu there are better drivers for my laptop ?
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | devid
[14:56] <Acheron> devid, have you tried a live boot session?
[14:57] <donofrio> how do I view certs from arora?
[14:57] <Acheron> donofrio, a web search could probably help you
[14:57] <devid> Acheron no, so you mean just try the sound using the usb ?
[14:58] <Acheron> devid, yes, that is what i meant
[14:58] <devid> Acheron ok i will try then thank you
[14:59] <devid> Acheron so, it does not make a difference in sound if live boot session or installed in the pc ?
[14:59] <Acheron> only difference would be the updates that are installed on a hard drive
[15:00] <Acheron> you can try 18.04 LTS or 19.10
[15:00] <donofrio> Acheron, so you're invalidating technology that has worked and helped people for three decades now?
[15:00] <oerheks> LTS give daily builds too.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/bionic/daily-live/
[15:03] <donofrio> Acheron, why not cuss in the main group for all to see?
[15:03] <johnfg__> hi folks
[15:04] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: You know that is off topic, please stop
[15:05] <donofrio> arora is a browser in the standard repo's and no #arora exists on freenode so that is why I ask here
[15:05] <parrotlover> Why does Ubuntu server 18.04.4 latest updates as of yesterday, have a defective copy of git in the repos?
[15:05] <parrotlover> I had to install git from source which I had to fetch with http because git wasn't working
[15:05] <johnfg__> I have a profile for my gnome terminal that opens to the size I want and such.
[15:06] <johnfg__> However, the terminal doesn't 'open' that way, and I also move it to where I want it.
[15:06] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: And you know that it's not a common browser that others will have installed. There was nothing out of line to encourage you to search the web for your answer. I'm certain you are more than capable of doing it. Volunteers here are only as smart as their web searching skills.
[15:06] <johnfg__> Is there a way for the terminal to open the same size and the same place as I want?
[15:06] <Acheron> parrotlover, you might notify the package owner about that issue
[15:06] <johnfg__> I looked at its gnome web page, but nothing is there.
[15:06] <donofrio> pragmaticenigma, what got me is he told me to "f*ck myself" in a pm how is that helping when I ask a simple question?
[15:07] <donofrio> and we can move to the offtopic or dscuss channel if it helps
[15:07] <parrotlover> Acheron, how do I find the package maintainer?
[15:07] <leftyfb> parrotlover: which issue? Got a bug link?
[15:07] <pragmaticenigma> donofrio: Take your issues to #ubuntu-ops if you have a problem with another person here. This is not the place to raise the issue.
[15:07] <Acheron> apt show git
[15:07] <donofrio> no I'm ok just wow he much be new to iirc
[15:08] <parrotlover> leftyfb, I have a VM I could reproduce it on, but it was all errors when validating the remote updates and clones and fetches and pushes and commits
[15:08] <parrotlover> It's like it's broken somehow
[15:09] <oerheks> parrotlover,  is this a know issue in #ubuntu-server?
[15:09] <oerheks> or was git down...?
[15:09] <Acheron> parrotlover, apt show git
[15:10] <leftyfb> parrotlover: I'm running 1:2.17.1-1ubuntu0.5 which was released in December and certainly does not have the issue which you describe
[15:10] <parrotlover> nah, I don't think anyone knows, I googled the issue and it all said the issue was a corrupt repo, but that's not possible because I was at the same time talking to the people I'm collaborating with
[15:10] <leftyfb> parrotlover: apt-cache policy git
[15:10] <leftyfb> parrotlover: please pastebin the output of that
[15:11] <parrotlover> leftyfb, I'd have to reinstall Ubuntu
[15:11] <leftyfb> parrotlover: no, you wouldn't
[15:11] <parrotlover> leftyfb, I don't have Ubuntu running on any systems
[15:12] <leftyfb> parrotlover: ok, then please don't come reporting bugs which you confirm, help troubleshoot, report on or even for an OS you're not running
[15:12] <parrotlover> leftyfb, I just said I could do it, I just have to reinstall Ubuntu
[15:12] <parrotlover> That's what I said, not that I won't do it
[15:12] <oerheks> :-( so ubuntu does not have a defective copy of git.
[15:12] <leftyfb> it doesn't
[15:12] <parrotlover> I just meant it'll takle more than a few minutes
[15:13] <parrotlover> It did, unless I somehow managed to get memory corruption in my ECC RAM
[15:14] <parrotlover> I mean... I am installing it in a VM right now, I had the iso already from yesterday when I experienced
[15:14] <cryptodan> what issue with git?
[15:14] <parrotlover> cryptodan, everything was getting corrupt
[15:14] <parrotlover> like I couldn't validate or check anything out
[15:15] <leftyfb> there is no issue with the git package in ubuntu. parrotlover might be having issues, but there's nothing that tells us it's caused by the git available in ubuntu
[15:16] <parrotlover> Well, then I'm getting MITM'd on at least 3 of my connections
[15:16] <parrotlover> Which is totally possible
[15:16] <leftyfb> I have called the git command 1049 times since the current version was released, there's no issue with it.
[15:16] <cryptodan> sounds like back network connectivity
[15:16] <leftyfb> parrotlover: please stop coming up with wild possibilities until we can troubleshoot your particular issue
[15:16] <cryptodan> bad*
[15:16] <parrotlover> okay
[15:16] <parrotlover> I'm working on reproducing it now
[15:18] <ecov> Is there a way to tag users in IRC?
[15:18] <cryptodan> ecov: type first 3 letters of name and hit tab
[15:18] <Psi-Jack> ecov: Huh?
[15:18] <Psi-Jack> "tag?"
[15:18] <ecov> It could be something that needs to be implemented client side
[15:19] <ecov> yeah, Psi-Jack like I can tag a user as "helpful" or something so when I see their nick it shows that tag
[15:19] <leftyfb> Can we stop coming up with answers to a problem with haven't defined yet?
[15:19] <Psi-Jack> If you mean hilight, kind of like @nick does on other mediums, yes, that's totally client side, but many IRC clients respond to "nick: message", type format.
[15:19] <leftyfb> ecov: please go to #freenode for help using IRC
[15:19] <ecov> thanks
[15:20] <ecov> huh?
[15:20] <lotuspsychje> ecov: this channel is for ubuntu issues
[15:20] <leftyfb> ecov: type /join #freenode     and ask there if you need help on how to use IRC
[15:20] <ecov> we're here discussing git issues
[15:21] <ecov> should dude go to git channel?
[15:21] <ecov> should we bring this to #disputes?
[15:21] <ecov> jeuss
[15:21] <ecov> alright ill leave you all be lol
[15:21] <sixwheeledbeast> that would be a good idea yes
[15:22] <sixwheeledbeast> ./join #git
[15:22] <Sohom_Datta> Okay, I am having some pretty bad issues with the nautilus browser
[15:22] <Sohom_Datta> *file
[15:22] <ecov> #nautillus
[15:22] <Sohom_Datta> Eh ?
[15:22] <leftyfb> sixwheeledbeast: no, that would not be a good idea since the only point of information we have been provided is the fact that the latest tarball of git works fine. So #git isn't going to help with an issue that doesn't pertain to their latest tarball
[15:23] <leftyfb> ecov: please stop
[15:23] <Psi-Jack> Sohom_Datta: Don't mind him. What kind of issues?
[15:23] <sixwheeledbeast> ?
[15:23] <Sohom_Datta> It'd randomly crashing/segfaulting...
[15:24] <leftyfb> Sohom_Datta: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[15:24] <nooodlesnodes_1> is there a ubuntu touch channel?
[15:24] <Sohom_Datta> 19.10
[15:24] <leftyfb> nooodlesnodes_1: try #ubports
[15:25] <parrotlover> nooodlesnodes_1, use Telegram messenger for the Ubports supergroup... but don't expect a fully working hardware, or anything to be done with the quality of actual Cannonical builds
[15:26] <Sohom_Datta> Actually it mostly happens on first use.. though I've had ubuntu's crash reporting system interrupt me in the middle of doing something else...
[15:26] <leftyfb> parrotlover: Canonical doesn't build for mobile devices anymore. It's all the community now, which is why they were sent to #ubports
[15:27] <parrotlover> leftyfb, I know, that's why it's not up to their standards, or what someone who uses ubuntu would expect
[15:27] <nooodlesnodes_1> just have acer switch, surface knockoff, and want to know how to make it launch an onscreen keyboard when the physical keyboard is removed
[15:27] <parrotlover> Yeah no support
[15:27] <parrotlover> very limited selection of devices
[15:28] <nooodlesnodes_1> then I noticed ubuntu touch and maybe this solves it?
[15:28] <leftyfb> parrotlover: nooodlesnodes_1 please take the conversation to #ubports
[15:28] <parrotlover> okay
[15:28] <ecov> :)
[15:30] <oerheks> nooodlesnodes_1, systemsettings, universal access, show universal menu - ON, then you can enable disable onboard keyboard easily
[15:30] <ecov> we're flooding the channel
[15:30] <parrotlover> oerheks, it's a proprietary dock that isn't supported by linux
[15:31] <Psi-Jack> oerheks: Gnome does different things when used in a laptop with a touchscreen. That universal access section is literally at that point, meaningless, unfortunately.
[15:33] <oerheks> keyboard should appear when you select an inputline, adresbar and such
[15:34] <oerheks> parrotlover, i have no clue what you are talking about
[15:34] <parrotlover> oerheks, the specific device he's talking about
[15:34] <parrotlover> I've owned it, so I was sharing my experience
[15:36] <nooodlesnodes_1> oerheks, yeah it doesnt work very nice
[15:37] <nooodlesnodes_1> takes up 60 % of the screen and is very ugly
[15:37] <nooodlesnodes_1> tried onboard too
[15:37] <oerheks> onboard is not resizable, AFAIK
[15:37] <pragmaticenigma> nooodlesnodes_1: Again, please go to #ubports for assistance... not here (cc: oerheks)
[15:38] <Psi-Jack> I have.. "partially" disabled Gnome's OSK, but sometimes it still comes up. I use Onboard because it's better, resizable, and doesn't annoy me as much.
[15:38] <Psi-Jack> oerheks: Onboard is, actually. Gnome's built-in, is not./
[15:38] <oerheks> ohh onboard <> build in, there we go, thanks!
[15:38] <Psi-Jack> :)
[15:39] <Sohom_Datta> leftyfb, Is there anything I can do to prevent these crashes ?
[15:41] <oerheks> Sohom_Datta, have you tried deleting ~/.config/nautilus and restart nautilus again?
[15:43] <Psi-Jack> Or even just moving ~/.config/nautilus to ~/.config/nautilus.old, just to not wipe it out destructively.
[15:44] <Sohom_Datta> Okay, I'll try that...
[16:06] <johnfg__> Is there a way to make gnome-terminal open the same size, the same place on the desktop every time?
[16:06] <pragmaticenigma> johnfg__: No, there isn't a way to define that
[16:06] <johnfg__> pragmaticenigma: Thanks for the answer!
[16:10] <ioria> johnfg__, you can use xdotool with 'getwindowgeometry' and 'windowmove'
[16:12] <eraserpencil> Hi! I have a work computer that has no discrete GPU and an i9-9900k. During installation with the live USB, I was able to use 2 monitors. This holds true after installation too. However, upgrading to 4.15.18, I am no longer able to detect the second display. Would anyone know what options I can try when i go back to work?
[16:13] <leftyfb> johnfg__: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/39/put-windows/  this is exactly what you're looking for
[16:14] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: it's really hard to troubleshoot or help if you don't have the computer running and setup to work with
[16:15] <johnfg__> thanks guys
[16:15] <ducasse> johnfg__: check if gnome-terminal obeys the -geometry option
[16:15] <johnfg__> ducasse: Ok.
[16:17] <johnfg__> Yup it does.
[16:19] <eraserpencil> guess i can only work on it next week then
[16:24] <johnfg__> eraserpencil: what's version 4.15.18 for?
[16:28] <leftyfb> johnfg__: kernel
[16:35] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: two things that I could suggest in advance... one, reboot the machine and run it with nomodeset... the other, boot and select one of the previous kernels
[16:37] <Acheron> 4.15 was a terrible kernel series, upgrade that as soon as you can
[16:43] <eraserpencil> ok, i'll try with a previous kernel. I had a hard time getting the wifi drivers working
[16:44] <leftyfb> eraserpencil: I would suggest the HWE kernel
[16:44] <leftyfb> !hwe | eraserpencil
[16:45] <pragmaticenigma> eraserpencil: The recommendation of previous kernel is for testing. To see if in fact the kernel is the reason the monitors stopped working as expected. Not meant to be a final solution
[16:46] <eraserpencil> ahh okay
[16:55] <johnfg__> Isn't that a really old kernel for ubuntu?  I'm running 5.3.0.
[16:56] <eraserpencil> im on 16.04
[17:06] <leftyfb> oh, 16.04 hwe is still on 4.15. 4.15.0-88.98 to be exact
[17:06] <leftyfb> too late
[17:54] <Rockwood> hi
[17:54] <Rockwood> any active?
[17:55] <oerheks> ask your real question, wait and see
[17:57] <Rockwood> actually i am using VM and using ubuntu
[17:58] <Rockwood> i share my folder win to ubuntu and my webserver facing issue "File not found."
[18:00] <Rockwood> and error log is showing issue --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZZVmFdM674/
[18:01] <Rockwood> oerheks, i applied many time permission group things but error isn't solved. nginx peoples say this is not nginx issue
[18:04] <leftyfb> Rockwood: you're trying to serve your documentroot from a samba share running on Windows?
[18:06] <oerheks> host is windows? i see that criminalimpulse.com is for sale.. not yours..??
[18:07] <leftyfb> Rockwood: I think the web server is on ubuntu but the files are being serviced up to nginx from a Windows share mounted on ubuntu ... I think
[18:08] <Rockwood> leftyfb, yes
[18:08] <leftyfb> Rockwood: don't
[18:08] <Rockwood> means?
[18:10] <Rockwood> actually my concern is i dont want make busy my VM busy for save changes in project
[18:11] <leftyfb> Rockwood: regardless of the mess you're creating, you would be better served asking for help running a server in #ubuntu-server
[18:18] <Rockwood> oerheks, actually i am using for my local dev environment
[18:19] <oerheks> windows is not posix, so there are no settings for rwx
[18:19] <oerheks> copy the stuff to the vm, or maybe someon in #ubuntu-server has a clue
[18:22] <sysmin> But windows do have POSIX standard
[18:25] <oerheks> their filesystem does not.. but you knew this, sysmin
[18:26] <sysmin> True
[18:27] <sysmin> But wasn't the point
[18:28] <Rockwood> lol
[18:28] <sysmin> I have a question, I have Ubuntu 1904 on my laptop, not that I want to bring up Windows... Can I have ubuntu update in the background?
[18:29] <leftyfb> sysmin: you mean update to a version of ubuntu that is still supported?
[18:29] <sysmin> The software update dialog is a bit annoying, it's only connected to my TV. So I don't use it often
[18:29] <leftyfb> sysmin: you can use apt over sh
[18:29] <leftyfb> *ssh
[18:29] <sysmin> I don't want to distro update
[18:30] <sysmin> Just update the software
[18:30] <leftyfb> sysmin: Ubuntu 19.04 is not longer getting updates
[18:30] <sysmin> huh
[18:30] <leftyfb> sysmin: it's EOL and will soon not be able to download any packages
[18:30]  * sysmin looks at the version I have on my laptop
[18:30] <sysmin> one second
[18:32] <sysmin> I have 1910 installed leftyfb ?
[18:32] <leftyfb> sysmin: 1910 is not a valid version of ubuntu
[18:32] <sysmin> 19.10*
[18:32] <leftyfb> !yymm | sysmin
[18:32] <sysmin> It say Eoen?
[18:33] <leftyfb> ok, that is 19.10. You had said "1904" which I assumed you meant 19.04
[18:33] <sysmin> Oh, I figured that was why you were confused
[18:33] <sysmin> I just assumed you knew what I was referring too
[18:33] <sysmin> Sorry
[18:34] <leftyfb> nope, I was not confused. You were referring to 19.04 which is EOL and not supported and no longer receiving updates. No confusion on my part
[18:34] <sysmin> alright
[18:35] <leftyfb> sysmin: regardless, use apt over ssh
[18:35] <sysmin> To update in the background?
[18:35] <leftyfb> sysmin: if background != GUI, then yes
[18:37] <sysmin> leftyfb: It's a laptop, I chose ubuntu to make things easy. You want me to ssh into the laptop to update it? I was hoping there was turnable I can use that had that feature
[18:37] <sysmin> Sounds like a cron job
[18:38] <leftyfb> sysmin: updating your machine automatically without your input is not a good idea
[18:38] <leftyfb> sysmin: but sure, go create a cron job
[18:38] <sysmin> Noted
[18:48] <bratchley> With dhcp is it possible for the client to request a particular IP in it's DHCP request or in the case of a DHCP reservation does the server just always send out the same IP. I had assumed the former but I'm having a hard time figuring out why a client's IP address persists across reboots
[18:49] <bratchley> like I don't know where it's storing the IP address, it's a dnsmasq instance and I've empties the leases file but it's still getting it
[18:49] <Ben64> the server will remember who had an ip for usually 24hrs
[18:49] <bratchley> If I manually give it a lease for a different IP then that becomes the one the client always gets from then on, so I'm assuming dnsmasq keeps a record somewhere other that the lease file
[18:50] <bratchley> even if I restart the daemon?
[18:50] <oerheks> bratchley, maybe you can reserve that ip by mac adress in your router?
[18:51] <oerheks> that would survive a reinstall too
[18:52] <bratchley> it's not, I'm manually setting it up using a bridge interface so the dnsmasq I have setup should be the only DHCP the VM sees
[18:55] <bratchley> OK I just answered my own question I think, I just found the IP address recorded in /var/lib/NetworkManager/internal-b41eb6a9-eac2-44b5-9b6b-f33a718d9686-baremetal.lease on the client
[18:55] <bratchley> so I think NetworkManager was holding onto the IP
[18:57] <bratchley> yep, that was it, it just got a different IP on boot after I deleted that file
[18:58] <bratchley> I honestly didn't know NM did that
[19:06] <mfilipe> I'm using 18.04 in a new dell laptop. when I installed the ubuntu, the wifi driver worked but now that I updated the system the kernel was updated as well and now the wifi driver isn't working. I found out that the old kernel past is working, so, how could I force ubuntu to use the old kernel without holding shift in the boot?
[19:09] <bratchley> mfilipe: you can set the default kernel in  /etc/default/grub and then do a update-grub
[19:10] <bratchley> and then I'd just do a hold on kernel updates until you're feeling adventurous enough to test a new kernel
[19:11] <ioria> mfilipe, but probably not a good idea; identify your wifi chipset and module in use (lspci -nnk) ; are you using a stock module or built one ?
[19:13] <tonnonostromo> 2
[19:52] <bratchley> g6hi52t!
[19:52] <bratchley> well shit
[19:52] <bratchley> need to change my password now
[19:52] <bratchley> thought my computer was locked
[19:52] <ioria> bratchley, happens
[19:54] <doubledutch> Good afternoon, all!  Lonnng time BSD/GNU/Linuxer, first time Ubuntuer (other than work servers)
[19:55] <doubledutch> I have a question, I am using Bionic Beaver on a Lenovo with an eMMC card as its primary (only) HDD.  I have to use SuperGrub Disk to boot into my system
[19:56] <doubledutch> Are there any well known tweaks to get Linux, specifically Ubuntu, booting from the eMMC?  Reinstall GRUB to /dev/mmcblk0p1 ?
[19:56] <Ben64> it shouldn't matter what the device is
[19:57] <doubledutch> I've read a lot about how these can be finicky when installing even modern linuxes due to eMMC
[19:57] <doubledutch> Wondering how I can get GRUB to show on each boot
[19:57] <oerheks> sure, see he grub manual
[19:57] <Ben64> it would need to be installed on the device, not the partition though
[19:57] <oerheks> !grub
[19:57] <doubledutch> Figured I'd jump right in, never worked with one of these HDD types or with a chromebook (this is not a chromebook)
[19:58] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Boot_Display_Behavior
[19:58] <doubledutch> Now I regret not having Win10 still on, going to keep plugging away at it
[19:58] <Ben64> but it really doesn't matter if it's hdd, sata ssd, nvme, emmc, flash drive, whatever
[19:58] <doubledutch> Ben64: Yes, /dev/mmcblk0
[19:58] <oerheks> white spots are history nowadays
[19:59] <doubledutch> oerheks: With Ubuntu, or with modern Linuxes in general?
[20:00] <oerheks> not sure what you have read, it works fine.
[20:00] <johan1994> hi, how do I uninstall chrome(not chromium-browser) using ubuntu(terminal)
[20:01] <oerheks> johan1994, why terminal? just use softwarecenter > installed > it is in the list > remove
[20:01] <Ben64> they're gone
[20:01] <oerheks> oh
[20:03] <johan1994> hi, sorry I disconnect, if anyone replied, please reply  agian
[20:03] <oerheks> johan1994, why terminal? just use softwarecenter > installed > it is in the list > remove
[20:03] <pragmaticenigma> johan1994: sudo apt remove google-chrome-stable
[20:04] <pragmaticenigma> assuming you used the Google supplied installer
[20:05] <johan1994> Thank you!
[20:05] <johan1994> what is the difference between purge and remove/
[20:05] <pragmaticenigma> johan1994: "purge" will remove the application and any system configuration files
[20:05] <oerheks> purge will remove config files, not data in your /home/ folder that is
[20:06] <johan1994> Thank you!
[20:10] <johan1994> oerheks, terminal because I am new to ubuntu and Linux in general and enjoy learning how to take advantage of the power of the terminal, sounds stupid I guess. Thanks all!
[20:10] <jrgilman> Hey, I have a failing hard drive I have connected via USB that i'm trying to pull as much data off of before it dies. Every time I do some data transfer though, I can get a certain amount of data off before it completely screws the pooch. The problem is that I can't unplug/unmount/shut off the drive in any way without getting ubuntu to recognize it's no longer attached. It also locks up my file manager. Is
[20:10] <jrgilman> there a way to do this procedure properly?
[20:11] <oerheks> johan1994, not stupid at all, have fun!
[20:11] <oerheks> ddrescue is the tool for such problems
[20:12] <jrgilman> what if i don't want to do it from one device to another
[20:12] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[20:12] <jrgilman> just to a folder on my drive
[20:12] <jrgilman> ah ok
[20:12] <pragmaticenigma> jrgilman: Also, avoid using the GUI when transferring files. If you can't get ddrescue, to work, you can try rsync or "cp --verbose" in the terminal
[20:12] <jrgilman> rsync had a bad time too
[20:13] <jrgilman> rsync just froze up and even sigkill'ing it
[20:13] <jrgilman> kept the drive frozen up
[20:13] <pragmaticenigma> Sounds like you have some really really bad sectors...
[20:13] <jrgilman> i couldn't even normally restart my system
[20:13] <jrgilman> I had to force power off the system
[20:13] <jrgilman> yeah not surprising
[20:14] <jrgilman> okay i'll read through this page
[20:14] <jrgilman> i'll have to restart my system since it's totally f'ed now
[20:18] <compdoc> If you use the gnome disk util, it will tell you if a drive is dying
[20:31] <mfilipe> bratchley, I tried add a kernel version on GRUB_DEFAULT and ran update-grub but it keeps booting on the latest kernel :(
[20:32] <mfilipe> ioria, stock one
[20:34] <yates> i'm getting a weird error from apt when attempting to uninstall a package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/TRdh3JYDd4/
[20:35] <yates> what are "held packages"
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> yates: Sometimes referred to as "pinned" packages. They are packages where you might have marked them to not receive upgrades, due to the requirement of having a specific version
[20:36] <yates> is there a way to list pinned packages?
[20:36] <yates> or unpin them?
[20:37] <yates> pragmaticenigma: ?
[20:37] <sarnold> yates: try apt-mark showhold
[20:37] <yates> sarnold: that returned nothing
[20:38] <oerheks> uh oh
[20:38] <oerheks> !info libnettle6
[20:38] <oerheks> important, do not remove..
[20:39] <yates> oerheks: i would love not to, but i am attempting to build gnutls from source, and its ./configure is complaining: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KJH7Mg2vth/
[20:40] <TJ-> yates: build it in an (LXD) container
[20:41] <sarnold> (a) using sbuild or pbuilder or something is a very good idea (b) doesn't this error message say you should be *installing* something rather than *uninstalling* something?
[20:42] <oerheks> yates, on Focal 19.10 ?
[20:42] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/nettle/+packages
[20:42] <yates> libnettle6 is installed
[20:42] <oerheks> that gives 3.5.1
[20:42] <yates> Linux Lubuntu-25316 4.15.0-88-generic #88-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 11 20:11:34 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[20:44] <yates> oerheks: are you saying libnettle6 gives 3.5.1?
[20:44] <oerheks> on Focal yes
[20:45] <oerheks> oh wait, it gives libnettle7  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/nettle
[20:45] <yates> how do i see what distribution "series" i am running?
[20:45] <oerheks> yates, i don't, just guessing as older ubuntu versions give 3.4.1
[20:46] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/nettle/+packages
[20:46] <yates> i think this is 16.04, or equivalent.
[20:47] <yates> which gives a nettle < 3.4.1
[20:47] <sarnold> lsb_release -a
[20:47] <yates> can i just install a 3.4.1 version of nettle in addition to my existing nettle, so i don't break anything?
[20:48] <yates> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wk2zNnwyDm/
[20:48] <yates> thanks sarnold
[20:48] <yates> so this is libnettle 3.4-1, not 3.4.1-xyz?
[20:49] <sarnold> it looks that way
[20:49] <yates> which is why ./configure is complaining
[20:49] <oerheks> yates yes.
[20:49] <Siamaster> Hi, I had a crash on my ubuntu and I tried to restart but now I get an error saying that I need to load the kernel first
[20:49] <Siamaster> I have 2 disks so now I'm logged in on Linux Mint
[20:50] <yates> can i just install a 3.4.1 version of nettle in addition to my existing nettle, so i don't break anything?
[20:50] <oerheks> .. not sure about that ..
[20:50] <Siamaster> I can see there is a disk but I can't navigate the hard drive, I can't mount it. It says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad suporblock.. "
[20:51] <Siamaster> and fdisk doesn't show me the drive
[20:51] <Siamaster> but I know it's at /deb/sdb1
[20:51] <Siamaster> is there a way to fix this?
[20:52] <cpare> After replacing my generic USB mouse with a Logitech G-Pro (M-U0052) I am getting periods where the keyboard doesn't respond, or the symptom of a "Stuck" key - any suggestions ?
[20:53] <oerheks> live iso, chroot and fsck .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting
[20:55] <cpare> Back again, sorry about that
[20:55] <cpare> What did i miss?
[20:56] <yates> can i upgrade from bionic to disco?
[20:56] <yates> is there a way to do a rolling upgrade
[20:57] <cpare> After replacing my generic USB mouse with a Logitech G-Pro (M-U0052) I am getting periods where the keyboard doesn't respond, or the symptom of a "Stuck" key - any suggestions ?
[20:57] <yates> try another keyboard?
[20:57] <cpare> The keyboard is fine as long as the mouse isn't connected
[20:57] <cpare> @yates - https://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2019/04/step-by-step-to-upgrade-ubuntu-from-1804-to-1904-using-command-lines.html
[20:58] <yates> cpare: thanks!
[20:58] <cpare> @yates - I just did this a few months ago, it's not perfect but it works
[20:59] <cpare> If this is a production server, try in a lower env
[20:59] <sarnold> yates: probably it's easier to wait three months and upgrade to focal then; in the meantime, install an eoan lxd instance?
[20:59] <yates> sounds like a bad idea for me..
[21:00] <cpare> @sarnold - Agreed, I should have waited, but the cool new bleeding edge stuff got me
[21:01] <ducasse> yates: if you do upgrade, don't stop at disco - it's eol
[21:30] <jrgilman> compdoc: even if it's plugged in via a usb ide cable?
[21:30] <compdoc> jrgilman, oh, maybe not.
[21:31] <jrgilman> yeah this thing is ancient
[21:31] <jrgilman> did SMART even exist back then?
[21:31] <compdoc> for many years. The problem is the interface.
[21:31] <compdoc> usb
[21:31] <jrgilman> ah gotchya
[21:32] <compdoc> I have seen old usb connections like that which go bad, so it might not even be the drive
[21:32] <jrgilman> it's brand new
[21:33] <jrgilman> and i tested another drive and it worked
[21:33] <jrgilman> so likely the drive
[21:33] <jrgilman> got data of a 60GB toshiba
[21:33] <jrgilman> this 160GB seagate is definitely dying though
[21:33] <compdoc> they are IDE drives?
[21:34] <jrgilman> laptop IDE yeah
[21:34] <compdoc> you could get an adaptor and connect it to a real ide port, but most systems dont even have ide ports anymore
[21:35] <jrgilman> lol i just threw out my last system with an IDE port yesterday
[21:35] <jrgilman> just doing spring cleaning
[21:35] <clemons1> My understanding of a display manager's purpose is that it does at least two things: 1) displays a login UI and 2) starts an X11 session for the user. If that's correct, wouldn't #1 imply that the display manager has to create an X11 session for itself?
[21:35] <compdoc> time got go sata
[21:35] <jrgilman> time got go sata?
[21:35] <compdoc> *to go
[21:35] <jrgilman> oh
[21:36] <jrgilman> lol this is just an old computer that a family member asked if its possible to pull the data off of
[21:36] <jrgilman> it's not super important
[21:36] <jrgilman> it's a windows xp machine
[21:36] <jrgilman> funny thing is it's still able to boot
[21:45] <jrgilman> lol ddrescue fucking froze trying to read from this drive?
[21:46] <Siamaster> I ran Boot-Repair and now I can log in to ubuntu again. However everytime I restart my computer starts on sda1 even though I set the BIOS priority to start on my drive on sdb1
[21:47] <Siamaster> I disconnected the drive on sda1 and I couldn't boot again on my sdb1
[21:47] <Siamaster> any ideas how to fix this?
[21:47] <guntbert> !ohmy | jrgilman
[21:48] <jrgilman> sorry
[22:03] <Battle> hey all so I think i've broken my system...i think ive somehow removed glibc and as a result, all commands are not working, even wget says no command found
[22:03] <Battle> I'm guessing the only fix here is to format/reinstall?
[22:04] <jrgilman> backup?
[22:04] <Battle> i got none ><
[22:05] <leftyfb> Battle: if you've removed/broken glibc, you'll need to reinstall and restore from backup
[22:05] <Battle> crap
[22:06] <leftyfb> Battle: if you don't have a backup then the data wasn't important to begin with
[22:06] <leftyfb> Battle: that said, you can still get your files back by using a live cd/usb and copying to another storage device
[22:08] <Battle> i'm guessing if I installed another copy of the OS locally and uploaded the contents of the / main folders this wouldnt help?
[22:08] <Battle> like /usr/bin? ?
[22:08] <leftyfb> do not do that
[22:09] <Battle> okay
[22:09] <leftyfb> copying your /home is fine
[22:09] <Battle> man, cant believe this ><
[22:09] <leftyfb> though you might run into some issues, most can be easily fixed by wiping some settings
[22:09] <Battle> yeah its a dedicated serve rso im not sure how im going to do this
[22:10] <jrgilman> backing up a server is important
[22:10] <Battle> yeah i just literally wipdt he backup server (as it arhieves) and was intending to do another todya...
[22:10] <bprompt> Battle:  hmmm for a dedicated server, you'd think you'd had some redundancy in mind
[22:10] <Battle> after i resolved this silly issue...
[22:11] <leftyfb> you wiped your backups(WHY???) and then proceeded to make changes to your server??
[22:11] <bprompt> boy! that's like bad times 4
[22:14] <Battle> yeah its safe to say, I've not had a good week...
[22:14] <Battle> stupid mistakes... and problem after problem
[22:14] <Battle> and now this
[22:14] <Battle> so frustrating...
[22:15] <Battle> i think im gonna have to boot into rescue mode and mount hdds
[22:15] <Battle> i take it there's absolutely no way to restore?
[22:16] <Battle> I mean libc
[22:19] <tomreyn> rescue mode is probably not what you want if you broke gcc. you'll rather want to boot a different, working, system, then take backups from there, then reinstall.
[22:20] <tomreyn> s/gcc/libc/
[22:20] <tomreyn> is this server hardware? do you have a bmc?
[22:21] <leftyfb> rescue mode probably isn't going to work. And you'll have no network if you plan on backing up files that way
[22:21] <ducasse> Battle: you might be able to reinstall glibc from a live image, but a reinstall is probably the easiest way
[22:23] <leftyfb> ducasse: the only way to reinstall properly is using apt by chrooting. Doing that with a broken/missing glibc isn't going to work
[22:23] <ducasse> Battle: check the -root parameter to dpkg
[22:26] <ducasse> leftyfb: i know that won't work, but that ^^ might, no?
[22:35] <RazorbackGeek> Hello everyone.
[22:35] <RazorbackGeek> I could use some assitance.
[22:35] <RazorbackGeek> assistance
[22:36] <RazorbackGeek> Topic says for ubuntu, does that include Kubuntu?
[22:36] <parrotlover> Ask your question
[22:36] <guntbert> !ask | RazorbackGeek
[22:37] <parrotlover> there is #Kubuntu if you are dealing with the distro specific aspects, but if you're talking about more general stuff that applies to all ubuntu flavours it probably isn't bad to ask it here
[22:39] <Battle> yeah I tried to chroot, and it complains of missing /bin/bash
[22:39] <Battle> (the file is there though)
[22:39] <RazorbackGeek> I'm connecting to my home network via VPN using OpenVPN.  I have imported my config successfully I can connect without issue.  However some internet locations (resources) are unavailable locally while connected to said VPN.
[22:39] <parrotlover> does your chroot directory conrtain bin/bash in it?
[22:39] <Battle> I am in rescue mode, and thankfully it appears I can upload using rsync , so i am rsyncing my folder to my backup server
[22:39] <Battle> erm
[22:39] <Battle> a moment
[22:40] <RazorbackGeek> I have drilled down through the network settings of the VPN "use only for resources on this connection".
[22:40] <RazorbackGeek> is turned off.
[22:40] <tomreyn> Battle: do you read what people tell you, or do oyu just try things randomly and report back how they're failing and ignore what people say here?
[22:41] <leftyfb> !who | parrotlover
[22:41] <parrotlover> Sorry leftyfb
[22:41] <RazorbackGeek> A previous install of the same kubuntu and version I turned that setting off and all was well.  But it seems to make little change now.
[22:41] <Battle> sorry I'm alt tabbing between this and my terminal with moments of crying
[22:41] <Battle> let me scroll up and see what was said
[22:42] <tomreyn> Battle: i'm wondering because two people just told you to *not* use the rescue option, and to boot off a separate, working system (and don't chroot)
[22:42] <leftyfb> Battle: copy your files to an external device, reinstall, restore your files
[22:42] <Battle> @server hardware, yes its a dedicated server, I dont know what "bmc" is sorry
[22:42] <Battle> I'm not sure how to go about live-cding remotely like this at this point to be honest :S perhaps my providers allow such a thing ill look through my control panel
[22:43] <Battle> I'll try the -root paraemter with dpkg how/what would the command look like example wise? dpkg -i -root <package.dep> ?
[22:43] <Battle> and the last msg about chrooting i'll check the bin/bash
[22:46] <Battle> tomreyn without going into rescue mode, the only alternative I have to access the machine is via remote KVM
[22:46] <Battle> and it doesn't look like my providers gives an option to live cd boot
[22:46] <knightwise> hey everyone
[22:47] <RazorbackGeek> Hello knightwise
[22:47] <knightwise> aha :) Expanselover there RazorbackGeek
[22:47] <Battle> it was also mentioned that rescue mode wouldnt have network abilities to make the backup (which i think is the main reason rescue mode would advised against?) but this one does have network abilities as im able to mount the original data and upload it to backup server
[22:47] <RazorbackGeek> Never seen an episode knightwise.
[22:48] <Battle> I think as its been suggested it would be the best option to format/reinstall but I really cant do that unless i can get the data off first
[22:48] <sysmin> Battle: LiveCD doesn't work for you?
[22:49] <Battle> its a remote machine so i dont have the ability of putting the cd in so to speak
[22:49] <Battle> i'm reliant on my host having an option and they only appear to have rescue mode
[22:49] <knightwise> Highly recommended RazorbackGeek :) .. So hows you tonight ?
[22:49] <sysmin> Battle: your host is?
[22:50] <Battle> hetzner
[22:50] <tomreyn> Battle: weren't you with hetzner?
[22:50] <Battle> yeah
[22:50] <RazorbackGeek> I'm fair knightwise, and you?
[22:50] <sysmin> I don't know about hetzner, but OVH does let you boot a liveCD with the disk attached
[22:50] <knightwise> Same here RazorbackGeek .. cant sleep , party at the local townhall in the backyard is keeping me up
[22:50] <knightwise> decided to mess around on my new laptop
[22:51] <tomreyn> Battle: if it's a dedicated you can request a 'lara' remote console, and one which allows for remote media (mounting isos to boot from from your end)
[22:51] <knightwise> install some ubuntu stuff
[22:51] <RazorbackGeek> Would be a lot better if I could figure out networking in Ubuntu.
[22:51] <tomreyn> Battle: i think 2 hours are free, or you can book for multiple hours.
[22:51] <RazorbackGeek> Sounds to me like it's time to crash a party.
[22:51] <Bashing-om> !netplan | RazorbackGeek
[22:53] <knightwise> RazorbackGeek: nah , not my scene :) Too tired anyway
[22:53] <RazorbackGeek> Thanks, Bashing-om I know HOW to network I guess, I just don't understand why Ubuntu chooses to do what it's doing with my VPN.
[22:53] <Battle> tomreyn I see, i will contact them thanks
[22:54] <tomreyn> Battle: there's an option for that on the 'robot' support form
[22:54] <tomreyn> Battle: be sure to ask for one which got the remote media stuff enabled, not all of them do
[22:55] <knightwise> RazorbackGeek: what vpn are you using ,
[22:55] <RazorbackGeek> The client is OpenVPN, and the server is pfsense.
[22:57] <knightwise> RazorbackGeek: I have openvpn server installed on my Pi (Dietpi) Works fine (even with ubuntu
[22:58] <RazorbackGeek> When connected to just the internet everything works fine, when the VPN is connected certain sites and so forth are unavailable.  I've drilled down through the settings in Network manager and turned off "Use only for resources on this connection"
[22:58] <knightwise> Have you enabled to use a 'fallback dns' ,
[22:58] <RazorbackGeek> Yes I had it working flawlessly before, but I did a reinstall and now it doesn't work like it should.
[22:59] <RazorbackGeek> I feel like every linux distro is a roll of the dice on things working like their supposed to without some serious tweaking.
[23:00] <RazorbackGeek> they're*
[23:00] <knightwise> RazorbackGeek: true. thats also part of the fun (at least a little bit)
[23:00] <knightwise> I'm giving this new machine another go at linux to keep abreast of the hardware support
[23:00] <RazorbackGeek> Agreed, knightwise but it's frustrating when it's simple things that should work.
[23:00] <knightwise> but as a non developer its hard to keep up the patience with linux distro's from time to time.
[23:01] <knightwise> I completely understand your frustration there
[23:02] <knightwise> I hate it when you need to spend hours on simple things like getting the 2 finger scrolling working and stuff
[23:02] <knightwise> frustrating when it doesn't work
[23:03] <guntbert> !ot | knightwise
[23:04] <RazorbackGeek> I think what I'm going to do is reinstall xubuntu anyways.
[23:13] <munsking> hello, i'm running ubuntu 19.04, can i update thunderbird to the latest version (68) using apt? adding some kind of bleeding edge repo or something?
[23:15] <ducasse> !19.04 | munsking
[23:15] <ducasse> munsking: upgrade to 19.10
[23:16] <munsking> oh okay, didn't know that, my bad
[23:59] <user392> Greetings. Is there a support channel for Ubuntu 20.04?