[14:03] <jphilips> is there a general launchpad page for submitting bugs
[14:03] <jphilips> maybe this one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev
[14:04] <jphilips> would be good to link to it on the website
[14:05] <jphilips> knome: ^^^
[14:31] <brainwash> jphilips: that is a launchpad user
[14:32] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs
[14:48] <jphilips> brainwash: thanks
[14:50] <brainwash> you can subscribe ~xubuntu-bugs to any (xubuntu related) bug report, but not sure if anyone even cares about that
[15:38] <jphilips> someone on twitter saying they found a bug regarding language installation and i wanted to give him a link to submit it to
[15:38] <jphilips> so devs dont normally check any places specifically for xubuntu bugs
[15:39] <jphilips> need to restart :D
[15:44] <brainwash> jphilips: one can always just open a bug report against no package
[15:44] <brainwash> and hope that someone will reassign it accordingly
[15:55] <jphilips> is anyone in the team regularly looking at bugs filed there?
[17:53] <brainwash> jphilips: I would say no
[17:54] <brainwash> ideally, Xfce bugs should go straight to the Xfce bug tracker
[18:07] <jphilips> brainwash: yep xfce bugs should definitely do so, but regular users wouldnt be able distinguish this
[18:25] <jphilips> if most of the dev work is upstream and other xfce distros are getting the same upstream improvements, how are we differentiating ourselves from other xfce distros, of course other than being an official ubuntu flavour?
[18:27] <brainwash> jphilips: two Xfce core devs are in the Xubuntu team
[18:29] <jphilips> yes i'm aware of bluesabre and ochosi being part of xubuntu, but their work goes upstream and doesnt make xubuntu unique
[18:31] <brainwash> but they customize xubuntu
[18:32] <jphilips> can you give me some unique customizations in xubuntu
[18:32] <brainwash> unique?
[18:33] <brainwash> it's more a out-of-the-box experience
[18:33] <brainwash> what differentiation do you really need?
[18:34] <brainwash> you have ubuntu + nice looking Xfce setup
[18:34] <brainwash> tested by those two Xfce devs
[18:34] <jphilips> well MX Linux has its tools app - https://mxlinux.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Tools.jpg
[18:35] <brainwash> how is that related to Xfce?
[18:36] <jphilips> they have a quick installer similar to ubuntu mate's software boutique - https://mxlinux.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/MXPI.jpg
[18:36] <jphilips> not xfce related, distro related that make it unique
[18:36] <brainwash> xubuntu has ubuntu's live kernel patching
[18:37] <brainwash> or the snap infrastructure
[18:38] <jphilips> unique to the ubuntu family, but not unique to just xubuntu
[18:39] <brainwash> doesn't that apply to your examples as well?
[18:40] <brainwash> we are talking distro vs. distro now
[18:40] <jphilips> to some degree yes, but to the regular joe user, those wouldnt be something that would matter
[18:41] <brainwash> xubuntu is not a distribution, but a spin/flavor of ubuntu
[18:41] <jphilips> okay so xubuntu verses another xfce distro that is also ubuntu based like linux mint
[18:42] <jphilips> true, but we could have apps that could make us unique from other xfce distros, as it wouldnt be in upstream xfce
[18:43] <brainwash> sounds like a stupid idea
[18:43] <brainwash> you have to keep in mind that someone has to maintain the software
[18:43] <brainwash> making it somewhat exclusive to only xubuntu... uhm
[18:44] <brainwash> also, others could still take it and package it for their distribution
[18:44] <brainwash> it's FOSS
[18:44] <jphilips> yes of course, was just going to say that
[18:46] <brainwash> from the past I can list one difference though
[18:46] <brainwash> xubuntu did package some components from the Xfce dev branch while everyone was waiting for the next stable release
[18:47] <brainwash> because it took so long
[18:47] <brainwash> Arch linux was still on Xfce 4.12 while Xubuntu had 4.13 to some degree
[18:49] <jphilips> interesting, as i would have thought that arch would always be bleeding edge
[18:49] <brainwash> but it sticks to stable releases
[18:50] <brainwash> 4.13 was the development release (for a long time)
[18:51] <jphilips> yep i remember
[18:52] <jphilips> so does xubuntu do that these days as well. i would love to see my master patches arrive in 20.04
[18:53] <brainwash> no
[18:53] <brainwash> certainly not for 20.04 LTS
[18:59] <jphilips> well maybe i should focus more on stuff that will effect the LTS then
[19:00] <brainwash> bug fixes
[19:01] <brainwash> things that will easily get accepted into the stable branch (4.14)
[19:05] <jphilips> not sure i'm finding any bugs that could get backported, as most of my bugs are usability bugs and is being classified as an enhancement
[19:06] <jphilips> knome: what do you think about having a review page, both text and video reviews. i could gather them together in a google doc.
[20:55] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfburn 0.6.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfburn-0-6-2-released-tp57614.html (by Rene Kjellerup)
[21:42] <JackFrost> There's no reason to horde things for ourselves, catfish, mugshot, and menulibre all more or less came from Xubuntu (light-locker too, and elementary-xfce as well as Greybird if you want to go into artwork) but were mostly pushed upstream and maintained there too so that it would benefit more people.
[21:43] <JackFrost> openSUSE even took greybird and made a dark version, and now has been working with the shimmer project to get it back upstream so *we* benefit from that.
[21:47] <jphilips> definitely isnt a way to horde it as its foss, but great to see that many of the apps came from xubuntu to upstream, just wish xubuntu had some unique apps that it could be touted for
[21:47] <jphilips> have a good night all.