=== brainwash_ is now known as brainwash
[08:49] <knome> jphilips, you mean like the press page we already have?
[08:49] <knome> or something else?
[08:52] <jphilips> knome: yep that page looks fine. strange i had visited it before as it was in my history but didn't notice it in the menu when i was thinking about it
[08:53] <jphilips> did you want to add press entries for non LTS releases?
[08:55] <jphilips> now i remember, i was only looking under 'The Blog' thinking that it would have been under there. ;D
[08:55] <knome> yes, the goal is to have links for all releases if contributors have the time and energy
[09:09] <jphilips> knome: okay will rounds some up for you to copy and paste
[09:09] <knome> cheers
[10:45] <jphilips> does the new Super + D keyboard shortcut introduced with 19.10 work with anyone, as it doesn't for me on the 19.10 live cd or installed
[10:45] <jphilips> bluesabre: ^^^
[10:48] <jphilips> tested it also in onboard and doesnt work their either
[10:50] <jphilips> brainwash: i visited https://bugs.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs but there is no means to file a bug there
[10:51] <brainwash> as said earlier, it's a user/group
[10:52] <brainwash> not a package or project
[10:53] <jphilips> oh okay. so do we have a bug reporting url
[10:59] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/
[10:59] <knome> bugs should be filed against the specific projects
[10:59] <brainwash> or via cli "ubuntu-bug <package>"
[11:02] <jphilips> so which package is the shortcuts in so i can file the bug for the broken super + d shortcut
[11:03] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings probably
[11:03] <jphilips> thanks
[11:05] <jphilips> its would be nice to have a central bug reporting place like xfce
[11:05] <jphilips> it* would
[11:06] <knome> even in the xfce bugzilla you will have to select the product/project/app
[11:07] <jphilips> quite easy to do that
[11:08] <jphilips> its filed, can anyway confirm - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1866537
[11:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1866537 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Show desktop shortcut doesnt work" [Undecided,New]
[12:12] <jphilips> knome: 19.10 press is done - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qenHqnop4DWne2DsX5nPgaN7xdJLzL6etb0gfBGL6fk/edit#heading=h.pwohkmbiulx1
[15:31] <jphilips> brainwash: did you get to see my proposal for a welcome app - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-February/011866.html
[16:05] <jphilips> ochosi: when do you plan to announce the winners of the wallpaper contest. i see ubuntu studio announced theirs yesterday
[16:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> jphilips: We started ours (Ubuntu Studio) much earlier.
[16:06] <jphilips> Eickmeyer[m]: how long did it run for?
[16:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> jphilips: One month.
[16:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> ochosi might be doing it differently though. Can't use other team's methods as benchmarks.
[16:08] <knome> our contest is ran by a wordpress plugin that handles the submissions and voting, so there will be no overhead time used to move stuff around once we've closed submissions
[16:09] <jphilips> okay i see the announcement says that winners will be announced at the end of the month
[16:10] <jphilips> Eickmeyer[m]: was watching popey the other day look over ubuntu studio
[16:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> jphilips: I saw it afterwards. Sadly, it pointed out to me that I hadn't updated the default settings even though I thought I had. :D
[16:13] <jphilips> thats why we love testers :D
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Indeed. :D
[16:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> I would've caught it eventually, but I felt like a total bot in that moment. :D
[16:19] <jphilips> Eickmeyer[m]: let me know if you want me to kick the tires of it at any point
[16:27] <jphilips> knome: 19.04 reviews added to the doc
[16:37] <brainwash> jphilips: I still don't know if a welcome app is necessary. in any case, it's not very likely that one would make it into 20.04 (but I may be wrong).
[16:37] <knome> no way one will make it to 20.04
[16:38] <knome> maybe a point release, but not sure how pointless (no pun intended) that would be
[16:39] <jphilips> brainwash: if most distros are doing it, there must be a benefit of it for new users. maybe some new contributors may stop by because of it.
[16:43] <brainwash> does stock ubuntu do it?
[16:43] <knome> tbh, that's bad argumentation
[16:43] <knome> "because everybody else does it, it must be good"
[16:44] <knome> also, while i think this could be definitely beneficial for some users, i don't think it's a tool (that should be used) for contributor luring
[16:46] <brainwash> don't the installer slides already inform about those things?
[16:47] <knome> yep
[16:48] <knome> we don't have any data on how many people actually sit on front of the screen looking at that though
[16:48] <brainwash> in any case, "someone" would have to work on that welcome app, then it could be tested
[16:48] <knome> yep
[17:01] <jphilips> brainwash: yes stock does as well
[17:02] <jphilips> but i think its more of a first start setup or something like that
[17:03] <jphilips> about the installer slides, yes that definitely might be helpful but not everyone will notice them or know that the underline text on the slides are clickable
[17:03] <brainwash> a brief tutorial?
[17:05] <brainwash> https://www.linuxbabe.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/upgrade-ubuntu-17.04-to-18.04-command-line.png
[17:07] <jphilips> found it https://youtu.be/YOUwdhNbHtk?t=1409
[17:07] <jphilips> was watching popey
[17:08] <jphilips> but yes that 'what's new in ubuntu' would be another example of ubuntu introducing users to itself
[17:09] <jphilips> guess i should download and install 18.04 to see what different slides are in the what's new dialog
[17:10] <jphilips> guess for users who are upgrading from unity to then get the shock of gnome, you'd definitely need a what's new dialog
[17:11] <jphilips> okay found it - https://youtu.be/ONXfL6evR0Q?t=69
[17:13] <jphilips> guess its the same as popey's accept for the first slide
[17:14] <jphilips> if you look in popey's video it says in the top bar 'Welcome to Ubuntu' but the CSD top bar says 'Online Accounts' which confused me till now
[21:36] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-power-manager 1.6.6 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-power-manager-1-6-6-released-tp57659.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[21:40] <ochosi> JackFrost: since it's just bugfix i guess this is still ok to go into 20.04? ^
[21:41] <JackFrost> We're behind with a few releases actually, but I'd think so (not having seen the changelog yet.)
[21:43] <ochosi> it's rather short :)
[21:43] <ochosi> really? where are we at?
[21:44] <ochosi> and why
[21:44] <ochosi> oh, we're at 1.6.5, that's alright
[21:44] <ochosi> or what did you mean exactly?
[21:45] <ochosi> (or did you refer to my comment in the other channel?)
[21:49] <JackFrost> -settings and -session I think are also behind, with others (listed on xfce414.html page.)
[21:50] <ochosi> i was considering doing another for settings and panel
[21:54] <JackFrost> xfburn, clipman, -settings, -session.
[21:55] <ochosi> could we get the latter three updated at least?
[21:59] <ochosi> (if i promise to take care of statusnotifier)
[22:01] <JackFrost> Heh, it's the last two I don't like touching. :P
[22:01] <JackFrost> Specifically, session.
[22:03] <ochosi> really? why?
[22:03] <ochosi> it's not exactly containing invasive changes
[22:03] <ochosi> ("fix crash at logout" sounds re-assuring, no? :))
[22:07] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin 0.2.2 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-statusnotifier-plugin-0-2-2-released-tp57661.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:39] <JackFrost> :o
[22:39] <JackFrost> ochosi: There just seems like a lot of cruft in the packaging bit, upstart leftovers that we didn't add.
[22:40] <ochosi> oh
[22:40] <ochosi> right, i'm obviously not aware of the packaging part
[22:42] <JackFrost> And run-systemd-session was never my favorite. :3
[22:42] <JackFrost> (Bottom of http://deriv.debian.net/Ubuntu/patches/x/xfce4-session/xfce4-session_4.13.1-2_xfce4-session_4.13.2-0ubuntu1.debian.patch)
[22:44] <ochosi> not much i can do to help there i guess
[22:45] <JackFrost> Nope, never said it was your fault. :D
[22:45] <JackFrost> ...But if it makes you feel better I guess we could blame you..?
[22:45] <ochosi> haha
[22:45] <ochosi> rather not
[22:45] <ochosi> i just hope all the work i put into doing 4.14 patch releases ends up in the distro i use :>
[22:46] <ochosi> (i think compared to 4.12 we're doing a pretty great job already)
[22:47] <ochosi> (or 4.10)
[22:49] <JackFrost> Doing -settings now.
[22:51] <ochosi> \o/
[22:51] <JackFrost> Done.
[22:52] <ochosi> oh also - xfdesktop
[22:52] <ochosi> we're still on 4.14.1 in focal
[22:54] <JackFrost> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/4.14.2-1?
[22:54] <JackFrost> !info xfdesktop4 focal
[22:54] <ubottu> xfdesktop4 (source: xfdesktop4): Xfce desktop background, icons and root menu manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.14.2-1 (focal), package size 159 kB, installed size 679 kB
[22:54] <ochosi> ok weird, my bad
[22:55] <JackFrost> https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/xfce414.html
[22:55] <ochosi> somehow packages.ubuntu tricked me (i guess i forgot to reset the dropdown for the distro version one time)
[22:55] <JackFrost> Ah, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/SOURCEPACKAGE is a better view.
[22:56] <JackFrost> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/wealias/ : alias = uts,  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/%s
[22:56] <JackFrost> alias = pts,  https://packages.qa.debian.org/%s
[22:56] <JackFrost> alias = npts,  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/%s
[22:56] <ochosi> mm, nice
[22:57] <ochosi> woot, debian already switched to a few 4.15 releases??
[22:58] <ochosi> (i guess this is exp)
[22:58] <ochosi> (not testing)
[22:58] <JackFrost> Experimental, indeed.
[22:59] <ochosi> alrighty, time to call it a night..
[22:59] <ochosi> thanks for picking up settings, xfpm, statusnotifier and clipman!
[22:59] <ochosi> ;D
[23:01] <JackFrost> I'm actually looking at xfburn. :P