[14:19] <gsedej> xnox, thanks for clarifying
[14:28] <gsedej> also on 2 older laptops (intel i7 4000 series ) that i tried ubuntu, it was always trying to boot windows, no metter bootorder. I had to use some custom boot and enable/disable fastboot to go automatically to grub and not windows
[14:29] <gsedej> in one case fastboot needs to be enabled to use custom boot
[14:30] <xnox> gsedej:  that is highly dependant on a given laptop. We have experienced many laptop firmwares which are not UEFI spec compliant, and e.g. force boot windows bootmgr, or inverse ubuntu's shim/grub, instead of the default bootorder entry.
[14:31] <xnox> gsedej:  e.g. on some windows 10S laptops i had to use from windows uefi variable editor to set "windows" bootmgr path to Ubuntu's shim to get the machine boot into grub.
[16:10] <gsedej> i think this is also the case with at least one of laptops (force windows boot)
[22:44] <xnox> gsedej:  =( it is very sad